Forbes and Washington Monthly college rankings for 2022 just released this week

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Anonymous wrote:Washington Monthly has GW at 44! Highest I have ever seen. Let's see if US News puts it back in the top 50.

Well at least my kids will redeem me--two at two different Ivies though not HYP alas.

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Anonymous wrote:Washington Monthly has GW at 44! Highest I have ever seen. Let's see if US News puts it back in the top 50.

Well at least my kids will redeem me--two at two different Ivies though not HYP alas.

Redeem you for what?

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Anonymous wrote:No one cares about these rankings. It's the US News ranking that matters.

Why?

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Notre Dame jumps to #10. That’s more like it! 😁

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Anonymous wrote:No one cares about these rankings. It's the US News ranking that matters.

None of them matter.

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Anonymous wrote:Happy to see UMD is ranked 40. Above CMU, BU, BC and even colleges like Colby, Hamilton,Wesleyan and Northeastern!

Is it? Well good for my kid who did not get into CMU for CS inspite of the top stats and the top ECs and saved me a bundle and going on merit scholarships to UMD for CS. Lovely.

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Anonymous wrote:No one cares about these rankings. It's the US News ranking that matters.

Why?

It is the Granddaddy of them all.

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Anonymous wrote:No one cares about these rankings. It's the US News ranking that matters.

You were ahead with the first sentence. Then the second sentence showed up. Sad.

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Anonymous wrote:Washington Monthly has GW at 44! Highest I have ever seen. Let's see if US News puts it back in the top 50.

Well at least my kids will redeem me--two at two different Ivies though not HYP alas.

Weird comment.

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I don't even care anymore. The same ~50 schools are on every list, just moved around a bit. It's not like I'm going to instantly think that a school I already respected is more worthy because they are one or two spots up from where they were last year.O.

We get it - you know everything you need to know.

But actually, the rankings are quite different. Forbes ranks Harvard #15 (which is hardly a typical finding). It puts Williams (which USNews relegates to an also-ran "liberal arts college" list) at #7 (which should help answer some weird debates here on DCUM about whether liberal arts colleges provide as good an education as 'national universities'). It puts UC Davis and UC Irvine both in the top 30. And while many of the top 50 schools are familiar, if you look at 50-100 - not every applicant has the luxury of applying only to the most selective schools in the country -- Forbes lists schools like San Diego State University (63), and New Jersey Institute of Technology (75), and CUNY/Baruch (66), and SUNY/University at Buffalo (90) -- hardly familiar faces.

Meanwhile, some schools often discussed here get significantly lower rankings from Forbes than from US News (eg, Pitt -- 59 in USNWR, 209 in Forbes; Penn State -- 63 in USNWR, 323 in Forbes; Temple -- 103 in USNWR, 205 in Forbes, UMass/Amherst -- 68 in USNWR, 198 in Forbes). So families considering those schools based in part on the assessment in USNWR might want to wonder what accounts for the disparity, and whether it matters to them.

The Washington Monthly rankings take an entirely different approach. If WM ranks Brigham Young as #13 of all US national universities, and National Louis University as #18 and Utah State University as #22, I don't know how you can actually say it's the same ~50 schools on every list.

But whatever. You don't care (which begs the question why you're even on this site). Others might find new or additional information helpful.

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Forbes is primarily about the money (not surprisingly) so I expect it to favor schools with high numbers of STEM/business majors.

Actually, no. If you look at the colleges that reported the 30 highest graduate incomes (median ten-year salary) to Forbes, Forbes ranked only 9 of those among its top 30 colleges. So apparently it's not "primarily about the money." Wouldn't just reading the link have been easier than embarrassing yourself with uninformed speculation?

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I don't even care anymore. The same ~50 schools are on every list, just moved around a bit. It's not like I'm going to instantly think that a school I already respected is more worthy because they are one or two spots up from where they were last year.O.

We get it - you know everything you need to know.

But actually, the rankings are quite different. Forbes ranks Harvard #15 (which is hardly a typical finding). It puts Williams (which USNews relegates to an also-ran "liberal arts college" list) at #7 (which should help answer some weird debates here on DCUM about whether liberal arts colleges provide as good an education as 'national universities'). It puts UC Davis and UC Irvine both in the top 30. And while many of the top 50 schools are familiar, if you look at 50-100 - not every applicant has the luxury of applying only to the most selective schools in the country -- Forbes lists schools like San Diego State University (63), and New Jersey Institute of Technology (75), and CUNY/Baruch (66), and SUNY/University at Buffalo (90) -- hardly familiar faces.

Meanwhile, some schools often discussed here get significantly lower rankings from Forbes than from US News (eg, Pitt -- 59 in USNWR, 209 in Forbes; Penn State -- 63 in USNWR, 323 in Forbes; Temple -- 103 in USNWR, 205 in Forbes, UMass/Amherst -- 68 in USNWR, 198 in Forbes). So families considering those schools based in part on the assessment in USNWR might want to wonder what accounts for the disparity, and whether it matters to them.

The Washington Monthly rankings take an entirely different approach. If WM ranks Brigham Young as #13 of all US national universities, and National Louis University as #18 and Utah State University as #22, I don't know how you can actually say it's the same ~50 schools on every list.

But whatever. You don't care (which begs the question why you're even on this site). Others might find new or additional information helpful.

You make a very interesting point about Forbes, but unfortunately it's moot. As PP said, Krueger and Dale have shown over three decades of data that demonstrate that what people earn is not due to where they go to college. No one has ever done anything remotely approaching their research, and it seems very unlikely to be refuted. ROI rankings have been rendered pointless, yet they proliferate because they make money for their creators.

You're right, though, that the other ranking does have value and adds positively to the info available for applicants to use.

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It is the Granddaddy of them all.

Deficient logic. That's like saying Ford is the only car you're going to buy because it was the first mass-produced car in the world.

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Anonymous wrote:Washington Monthly put Brown at #40. I like this ranking.

And National Louis University at #18.

I am from Chicago and this has me giggling. [/quote]



Virginia Tech above UVA has me giggling as well. I can't believe Wash. Monthly has the gall to write up a list, but as we know, these sell ads and are money makers (the creation of a list). I wish the OP who keeps posting these would stop. Or just stick with USNWR. Wash. Monthly has no staff to really research this and write it up. Same with CollegeNiche, whom someone posted last week. It is all USNWR.

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Anonymous wrote:Happy to see UMD is ranked 40. Above CMU, BU, BC and even colleges like Colby, Hamilton,Wesleyan and Northeastern!

Is it? Well good for my kid who did not get into CMU for CS inspite of the top stats and the top ECs and saved me a bundle and going on merit scholarships to UMD for CS. Lovely.

What are the "top ECs"?