Tell an opinion you have that is in the strong minority

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Anonymous wrote:American women are some of the most entitled, uptight, insufferable, bratty women in the Western Hemisphere.

I'm almost 30, SWM, good job, told I'm classically attractive, attended a top liberal arts college and live in the District. For the most part I enjoy living in the area and dig the local quality of life and social opportunities. However, having dated both foreign (mostly European) and American ladies in their 20s and early 30s while I've lived here, I never cease to be amazed by the differences in maturity, expectations, manners, fashion sense and social graces between many American women (especially the white collar DC crowd) and someone from a similar background who grew up in say, France, Latin America or Eastern Europe. American society seems to have infantilized the under 35 millennial generation (i.e. Draconian 21 drinking age vs. 18 everywhere else, over the top political correctness and radical "feminism" evolving into a white male-hating ethos vs. empowering women). On a first date, women around here will inevitably start playing 20 questions about my job, credentials, even how much $$$ I make, before chatting about each other's hobbies and interests outside work. My male coworkers and friends in DC and NYC feel the same way and relish the opportunity to date a foreign nanny, grad student or expat since so many American women in their mid-twenties act like they're 19 and vice versa for many ladies I've met who grew up overseas. Most also seem less prudish about sex, not as materialistic or bossy and more appreciative of charm, wit, culture (new foods, art). Ditto for social graces...like not checking the iPhone every five minutes

Am I implying that all foreigners are more sophisticated than us boorish Americans or that some men in the U.S. aren't childish and immature? Nope. But lately it seems that masculinity is almost a dirty word and criticizing men for their shortcomings is far more PC and acceptable than vice versa. I appreciate and respect an independent assertive women but holy cow, our society needs a reality check.

Shot down by multiple "American" women when you were out on Sat night?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:American women are some of the most entitled, uptight, insufferable, bratty women in the Western Hemisphere.

I'm almost 30, SWM, good job, told I'm classically attractive, attended a top liberal arts college and live in the District. For the most part I enjoy living in the area and dig the local quality of life and social opportunities. However, having dated both foreign (mostly European) and American ladies in their 20s and early 30s while I've lived here, I never cease to be amazed by the differences in maturity, expectations, manners, fashion sense and social graces between many American women (especially the white collar DC crowd) and someone from a similar background who grew up in say, France, Latin America or Eastern Europe. American society seems to have infantilized the under 35 millennial generation (i.e. Draconian 21 drinking age vs. 18 everywhere else, over the top political correctness and radical "feminism" evolving into a white male-hating ethos vs. empowering women). On a first date, women around here will inevitably start playing 20 questions about my job, credentials, even how much $$$ I make, before chatting about each other's hobbies and interests outside work. My male coworkers and friends in DC and NYC feel the same way and relish the opportunity to date a foreign nanny, grad student or expat since so many American women in their mid-twenties act like they're 19 and vice versa for many ladies I've met who grew up overseas. Most also seem less prudish about sex, not as materialistic or bossy and more appreciative of charm, wit, culture (new foods, art). Ditto for social graces...like not checking the iPhone every five minutes

Am I implying that all foreigners are more sophisticated than us boorish Americans or that some men in the U.S. aren't childish and immature? Nope. But lately it seems that masculinity is almost a dirty word and criticizing men for their shortcomings is far more PC and acceptable than vice versa. I appreciate and respect an independent assertive women but holy cow, our society needs a reality check.

Go visit an affluent area of the south or midwest. You'll find women are VERY different in other parts of the country. My DH said he wouldn't even date women from D.C. when he lived there.

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Anonymous wrote:American women are some of the most entitled, uptight, insufferable, bratty women in the Western Hemisphere.

I'm almost 30, SWM, good job, told I'm classically attractive, attended a top liberal arts college and live in the District. For the most part I enjoy living in the area and dig the local quality of life and social opportunities. However, having dated both foreign (mostly European) and American ladies in their 20s and early 30s while I've lived here, I never cease to be amazed by the differences in maturity, expectations, manners, fashion sense and social graces between many American women (especially the white collar DC crowd) and someone from a similar background who grew up in say, France, Latin America or Eastern Europe. American society seems to have infantilized the under 35 millennial generation (i.e. Draconian 21 drinking age vs. 18 everywhere else, over the top political correctness and radical "feminism" evolving into a white male-hating ethos vs. empowering women). On a first date, women around here will inevitably start playing 20 questions about my job, credentials, even how much $$$ I make, before chatting about each other's hobbies and interests outside work. My male coworkers and friends in DC and NYC feel the same way and relish the opportunity to date a foreign nanny, grad student or expat since so many American women in their mid-twenties act like they're 19 and vice versa for many ladies I've met who grew up overseas. Most also seem less prudish about sex, not as materialistic or bossy and more appreciative of charm, wit, culture (new foods, art). Ditto for social graces...like not checking the iPhone every five minutes

Am I implying that all foreigners are more sophisticated than us boorish Americans or that some men in the U.S. aren't childish and immature? Nope. But lately it seems that masculinity is almost a dirty word and criticizing men for their shortcomings is far more PC and acceptable than vice versa. I appreciate and respect an independent assertive women but holy cow, our society needs a reality check.

You need to find new people to date. Do you think maybe it's you who seems to be attracting a certain of American woman?

+1. Stop trying to pick up women in the bar/club scene, especially at your age. You're going to find nothing but the immature women you describe.

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Anonymous wrote:I think everyone who hates McMansions and that 'lifestyle' secretly wants a 5,000sf house in Bethesda and a Range Rover

I can happily disabuse you of that notion. I want none of that. So there ya go.

You couldn't pay me to live in Bethesda or drive a Range Rover.

Rightttt

This is so funny that people can't believe this.

My parents were millionaires when I was a kid. self-made businessman, family-owned business

When they were looking to build (b/c he was also a builder before he learned another trade), they searched through Potomac. Both HATED it and opted to build in Silver Spring, which is where I grew up.

beautiful homes - but a normal size and well built

You'd never know how much money they had.

Material items are shit, folks. They mean nothing.

My family is much the same. Self made multimillionaires. We clipped coupons, shopped at Goodwill sometimes (for me it was mostly hand-me-downs), and cleaned up after ourselves. We had chores - real chores, real responsibilities - not just "did you make your bed?" We lived in a comfortable, but humble home, and you'd never know how much money they had - I had no idea until they died, and was flabbergasted.

Believe me, I have absolutely no desire to live in a big house, or own a fancy car, even though I could quite easily afford it. More is not necessarily better, and material items get phased out for more "new, better" stuff. Just stuff.

I feel like those who lust over big houses, expensive cars, and the perfect everything, are self-medicating some weird insecurity with things and stuff. Those things don't make you who you are.

I never really understand the cheap mindset. Why would your parents become millionaires if they wanted a blue collar lifestyle, why not enjoy your money while you are alive rather than surprising everyone when you are dead

We're just from very different family mindsets. I've never really understand the gluttonous, wasteful mindset.

For us, we'd rather take nice trips and vacations. Or pay for college. Or quality food. Experiences were worth spending money on. Things? Fancy things that weren't necessary? Not so much. I'm really grateful for the attitude my parents instilled in us, and truly, I would absolutely never desire the 5,000 sq. foot house or Mercedes/Lexus/Etc SUV.

If your parents had a 7 figure HHI as you claimed, Why not do both?

It's a matter of personal value. There's none to be found in an unnecessarily large house, with a lot of wasted space (the difference between a house, and a home). And what exactly is the point in a luxury car? Does it really serve a practical purpose, besides image?

Vacations, trips, explorations, college, food, all provide a value that can't be matched.

Luxury cars are far superior in almost every respect.

In what practical, day-to-day aspect?

Comfort, safety, quality of construction, technological innovation, features.

LOL sure.

Stop please dear, you're making yourself look foolish

You haven't answered the question. In what way does a luxury SUV change your practical, everyday life? I get that it's probably a confidence boost to an insecure self esteem that needs to be showered with things to make them feel better, but does a Mercedes SUV really add that much value driving in your daily life, than say, a Honda SUV? I know it's tough to imagine that my questions aren't rooted in "jealousy," because I could easily go out and get one in cash today. I genuinely don't understand the difference as significant.

I'm not sure what part of 'comfort, safety, quality of construction, technological innovation, features you have trouble with understanding.

The Mercedes has more comfort, safety, quality of construction, technological innovation, features than the honda

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Anonymous wrote:clearly, there are folks on this thread that are insecure about their social status and need to make themselves feel better by imagining everyone wants what they have.

As Dawson said in Varsity Blues "I don't wah-nt your lie-uf"

Dawson is the name of a tv character,not a real person.

I am aware, but he will forever be Dawson to me

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I don't trust women OB's. I think they are too caught up in what their own births/pregnancies were like to be objective with patients. I'll see a woman OB or NP for gyn stuff and a woman is my GP and I really like her. I guess I could also see a woman OB who has never given birth too.

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Feminism is one of the worst things to happen in america

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I just don't understand the issue with Jerrymandering, it is an intended part of the american political institution

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You haven't answered the question. In what way does a luxury SUV change your practical, everyday life? I get that it's probably a confidence boost to an insecure self esteem that needs to be showered with things to make them feel better, but does a Mercedes SUV really add that much value driving in your daily life, than say, a Honda SUV? I know it's tough to imagine that my questions aren't rooted in "jealousy," because I could easily go out and get one in cash today. I genuinely don't understand the difference as significant.

I'm not sure what part of 'comfort, safety, quality of construction, technological innovation, features you have trouble with understanding.

The Mercedes has more comfort, safety, quality of construction, technological innovation, features than the honda

NP, I am not a car person or a luxury goods person, but i get easily stressed driving. This is obvious to me. A smoother, safer ride. It just feels better and it really does add to the quality of life every day if you drive every day! GPS, heated seats, great sound system, screens in back for the kids, the new car smell. This is somewhere to spend the money IF it will improve your life (only you can decide) and if you can afford it.

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I don't think being a SAHM is hard. At all.

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You haven't answered the question. In what way does a luxury SUV change your practical, everyday life? I get that it's probably a confidence boost to an insecure self esteem that needs to be showered with things to make them feel better, but does a Mercedes SUV really add that much value driving in your daily life, than say, a Honda SUV? I know it's tough to imagine that my questions aren't rooted in "jealousy," because I could easily go out and get one in cash today. I genuinely don't understand the difference as significant.

I'm not sure what part of 'comfort, safety, quality of construction, technological innovation, features you have trouble with understanding.

The Mercedes has more comfort, safety, quality of construction, technological innovation, features than the honda

NP, I am not a car person or a luxury goods person, but i get easily stressed driving. This is obvious to me. A smoother, safer ride. It just feels better and it really does add to the quality of life every day if you drive every day! GPS, heated seats, great sound system, screens in back for the kids, the new car smell. This is somewhere to spend the money IF it will improve your life (only you can decide) and if you can afford it.

No, no you are just doing to so you can show off to your neighbors. The honda is exactly the same but half the price. Trust PP on this, she grew up in silver spring after all

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You haven't answered the question. In what way does a luxury SUV change your practical, everyday life? I get that it's probably a confidence boost to an insecure self esteem that needs to be showered with things to make them feel better, but does a Mercedes SUV really add that much value driving in your daily life, than say, a Honda SUV? I know it's tough to imagine that my questions aren't rooted in "jealousy," because I could easily go out and get one in cash today. I genuinely don't understand the difference as significant.

I'm not sure what part of 'comfort, safety, quality of construction, technological innovation, features you have trouble with understanding.

The Mercedes has more comfort, safety, quality of construction, technological innovation, features than the honda

NP, I am not a car person or a luxury goods person, but i get easily stressed driving. This is obvious to me. A smoother, safer ride. It just feels better and it really does add to the quality of life every day if you drive every day! GPS, heated seats, great sound system, screens in back for the kids, the new car smell. This is somewhere to spend the money IF it will improve your life (only you can decide) and if you can afford it.

No, no you are just doing to so you can show off to your neighbors. The honda is exactly the same but half the price. Trust PP on this, she grew up in silver spring after all

Huh? I didn't grow up in Silver Spring.

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You haven't answered the question. In what way does a luxury SUV change your practical, everyday life? I get that it's probably a confidence boost to an insecure self esteem that needs to be showered with things to make them feel better, but does a Mercedes SUV really add that much value driving in your daily life, than say, a Honda SUV? I know it's tough to imagine that my questions aren't rooted in "jealousy," because I could easily go out and get one in cash today. I genuinely don't understand the difference as significant.

I'm not sure what part of 'comfort, safety, quality of construction, technological innovation, features you have trouble with understanding.

The Mercedes has more comfort, safety, quality of construction, technological innovation, features than the honda

NP, I am not a car person or a luxury goods person, but i get easily stressed driving. This is obvious to me. A smoother, safer ride. It just feels better and it really does add to the quality of life every day if you drive every day! GPS, heated seats, great sound system, screens in back for the kids, the new car smell. This is somewhere to spend the money IF it will improve your life (only you can decide) and if you can afford it.

No, no you are just doing to so you can show off to your neighbors. The honda is exactly the same but half the price. Trust PP on this, she grew up in silver spring after all

Oh yes, you're right. I forgot to mention I made all the neighbors go car shopping with me so I could measure the envy in their eyes as I made my selection...it's exhausting living like everyone wants to be me but someone's gotta step up.

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Anonymous wrote:I think women who had epidurals are wimps.

I think the women who don't have epidurals or any other kind of pain relief are sanctimonious and need pats on the back for going natural. Good for you if you always wanted to experience transition and the ring of fire, but don't expect that you'll get a trophy or a cookie because you're so "tough."

NP. I had two natural births. I don't think women who got epidurals are wimps but I do feel tough for having gotten through it without meds. I don't need a trophy or a cookie. My own satisfaction is enough. Also, my husband will bring up (just to me) how amazing I am for having done it. I like that he's so proud of me.

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Anonymous wrote:I think women who had epidurals are wimps.

I think the women who don't have epidurals or any other kind of pain relief are sanctimonious and need pats on the back for going natural. Good for you if you always wanted to experience transition and the ring of fire, but don't expect that you'll get a trophy or a cookie because you're so "tough."

NP. I had two natural births. I don't think women who got epidurals are wimps but I do feel tough for having gotten through it without meds. I don't need a trophy or a cookie. My own satisfaction is enough. Also, my husband will bring up (just to me) how amazing I am for having done it. I like that he's so proud of me.

+1 and my husband feels the same!