Second round options for Woodward boundary study

[Anonymous]

these kids end up living in their parent's basement. get real people.

Stop making stuff up.

Or maybe you should stop romanticizing about pottery workshops, cooking competitions and theater shows and realize that one of the richest counties in the whole country has been declining academically in every measurable statistics, and that the new magnet plan that puts at the same level of importance fundamentals such as math and science with afterschool club-like activities will only make things worse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:these kids end up living in their parent's basement. get real people.

Stop making stuff up.

Or maybe you should stop romanticizing about pottery workshops, cooking competitions and theater shows and realize that one of the richest counties in the whole country has been declining academically in every measurable statistics, and that the new magnet plan that puts at the same level of importance fundamentals such as math and science with afterschool club-like activities will only make things worse.

They are equally important which is why the schools that limit these kids academically need to be greatly improved. You clearly don’t know the elite music and theater groups where the parents have very high expectations on top of the arts which are super competitive and you regularly compete to keep your seat.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:these kids end up living in their parent's basement. get real people.

Stop making stuff up.

Or maybe you should stop romanticizing about pottery workshops, cooking competitions and theater shows and realize that one of the richest counties in the whole country has been declining academically in every measurable statistics, and that the new magnet plan that puts at the same level of importance fundamentals such as math and science with afterschool club-like activities will only make things worse.

They are equally important which is why the schools that limit these kids academically need to be greatly improved. You clearly don’t know the elite music and theater groups where the parents have very high expectations on top of the arts which are super competitive and you regularly compete to keep your seat.

They simply cannot be equally important. Math and science are fundamental skills that nearly half of workforce uses regularly. Art skills are used by a selected few.

I happen to be familiar with how art can be very competitive. But I still see no reason to make it an important part of a magnet system, especially not by introducing six arts magnets that serve no clear purpose.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:these kids end up living in their parent's basement. get real people.

Stop making stuff up.

Or maybe you should stop romanticizing about pottery workshops, cooking competitions and theater shows and realize that one of the richest counties in the whole country has been declining academically in every measurable statistics, and that the new magnet plan that puts at the same level of importance fundamentals such as math and science with afterschool club-like activities will only make things worse.

They are equally important which is why the schools that limit these kids academically need to be greatly improved. You clearly don’t know the elite music and theater groups where the parents have very high expectations on top of the arts which are super competitive and you regularly compete to keep your seat.

They simply cannot be equally important. Math and science are fundamental skills that nearly half of workforce uses regularly. Art skills are used by a selected few.

I happen to be familiar with how art can be very competitive. But I still see no reason to make it an important part of a magnet system, especially not by introducing six arts magnets that serve no clear purpose.

If you are familiar you’d know how smart these kids are. Most don’t go into music professionally. They are separate issues and kids deserve both. The issue is there is no equity in Mcps for math and science and some kids have access and others don’t.

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Anonymous wrote:LOL, at people worried about cuts in WJ.

Think for a minute what other half of current WJ is getting. Woodward will have low number with higher FARMS and some art program.

Thank your lucky stars that your are in WJ and not in Wooodward area.

Yes, WJ will lose some high level courses for sure, but if you are that worried then move to Whitman.

+1

Woodward will be inferior to WJ. Not gonna lie. Those you get to stay in WJ are fortunate. The Luxmanor/Farmland crew who have no choice but Woodward got the short end of the stick.
If you have a choice between Woodward and WJ, WJ should be your clear choice.

WJ and Woodward will be two vastly different schools. WJ should lose some higher level courses but still ratain most of them but many higher levle courses won't even exist in Woodward.

In that aspect, bigger and one WJ was serving well to all communities but school was too big. I guess its a trade off, but WJ will be a reasonably good school despite some downgrade. Being unhappy with Woodward is understandable but if some one is unhappy with WJ then it's time to move to Whitman. Whitman has no boundary change and all higher level courses.

Short term yes, but in the long term parents will get the higher level classes back at WJ and Woodward for that matter.

Woodward will have smaller school + Art magnet + high FARMS. It won't be having lots of higher level courses. It's not upto parents. If you can't form classes, class won't be offered.

Even WJ will be impacted but not as much as Woodward. WJ does not have Art magnet and high FARMS. Only negative impact is lower school size when it comes to WJ. Woodward has three.

Before someone starts saying that many Art students take high level of courses, that's just coping mechanism. Look at Einstein, tons of Art students but struggled with higher level courses.

Why is Woodward receiving an arts magnet over more deserving schools?

Yes, please shift Art magnet to more deserving schools and put STEM magnet in Woodward.

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Anonymous wrote:LOL, at people worried about cuts in WJ.

Think for a minute what other half of current WJ is getting. Woodward will have low number with higher FARMS and some art program.

Thank your lucky stars that your are in WJ and not in Wooodward area.

Yes, WJ will lose some high level courses for sure, but if you are that worried then move to Whitman.

+1

Woodward will be inferior to WJ. Not gonna lie. Those you get to stay in WJ are fortunate. The Luxmanor/Farmland crew who have no choice but Woodward got the short end of the stick.
If you have a choice between Woodward and WJ, WJ should be your clear choice.

WJ and Woodward will be two vastly different schools. WJ should lose some higher level courses but still ratain most of them but many higher levle courses won't even exist in Woodward.

In that aspect, bigger and one WJ was serving well to all communities but school was too big. I guess its a trade off, but WJ will be a reasonably good school despite some downgrade. Being unhappy with Woodward is understandable but if some one is unhappy with WJ then it's time to move to Whitman. Whitman has no boundary change and all higher level courses.

Short term yes, but in the long term parents will get the higher level classes back at WJ and Woodward for that matter.

Woodward will have smaller school + Art magnet + high FARMS. It won't be having lots of higher level courses. It's not upto parents. If you can't form classes, class won't be offered.

Even WJ will be impacted but not as much as Woodward. WJ does not have Art magnet and high FARMS. Only negative impact is lower school size when it comes to WJ. Woodward has three.

Before someone starts saying that many Art students take high level of courses, that's just coping mechanism. Look at Einstein, tons of Art students but struggled with higher level courses.

The kids don’t struggle. The admin don’t believe in ap classes and are direct about it.

WJ will have lots of changes if they lose 1/4 or more of their staff.

a diluted WJ is still way better than the vision for woodward

+100

Diluted WJ will be far better than vision of Woodward.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You all are really shortsighted. Every major school district has a high end performing arts magnet. Duke Ellington etc. There are jobs, many jobs in entertainment. Ever been to LA, NY?

It would be nice to have a performing arts school but the arts aren't at Duke Ellington which is an issue. Most of the high performers are in private groups. I wouldn't send my high-performing kids to an arts magnet without the academics.

Baltimore School for the Arts, LaGuardia Hugh School in NY

We are so behind here. They will have APs at Woodward and yes there will be enough kids to populate those. And guess what - colleges love kids who do performing arts. They actually aren’t looking for every kid who takes multi variable calculus and does nothing else.

AP's list will be very limited in Woodward.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:these kids end up living in their parent's basement. get real people.

Stop making stuff up.

Or maybe you should stop romanticizing about pottery workshops, cooking competitions and theater shows and realize that one of the richest counties in the whole country has been declining academically in every measurable statistics, and that the new magnet plan that puts at the same level of importance fundamentals such as math and science with afterschool club-like activities will only make things worse.

Thank you! We now live in a world where excellence in academic achievement at the highest level is a bad thing, that meeting the needs of highly able children is racist and not fair. Of course, MCPS never gets to the root of problems. They just label excellent program as inequitable and something that must be contained, which will have the net effect of doing away with such programs.

I am tired of Taylor tearing my community apart.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You all are really shortsighted. Every major school district has a high end performing arts magnet. Duke Ellington etc. There are jobs, many jobs in entertainment. Ever been to LA, NY?

LOL,

MCSP is putting ART magnet in 6 random schools without any extra resourses and you are comparing it with Duke Ellington?

[Anonymous]

I am just tired of all the talk to be honest.

There are kids in all schools who can take higher level courses. Just create a system which allows them to take those courses.

Without Art magnet, even Woodward may have enough high level courses but putting an Art magnet in Woodward and then encouraging STEM kids to go poutside of Woodward means, Woodward won't be left with enough kids who can take higher level courses. As result very few higher level courses will be offered in Woodward.

[Anonymous]

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There are kids in all schools who can take higher level courses. Just create a system which allows them to take those courses.

Without magnet system, even Woodward may have enough high level courses but putting an Art magnet in Woodward and then encouraging STEM kids to go outside of Woodward and adding one extremely high FARMS ES in Woodward means that Woodward won't be left with enough kids who can take higher level courses. As result very few higher level courses will be offered in Woodward.

Yes, many are missing that bold part taken together will pile on each other in a negative direction.

[Anonymous]

STEM is assigned to Wheaton HS. Can anyone provide feedback how is it there? Up until this fall I have never even heard about Wheaton's STEM. All I knew is Blair's program.

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Anonymous wrote:STEM is assigned to Wheaton HS. Can anyone provide feedback how is it there? Up until this fall I have never even heard about Wheaton's STEM. All I knew is Blair's program.

You haven't heard of it because their programs were only open to DCC students but within the DCC they are very popular.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:STEM is assigned to Wheaton HS. Can anyone provide feedback how is it there? Up until this fall I have never even heard about Wheaton's STEM. All I knew is Blair's program.

Wheaton has two STEM tracks - engineering and biomedical. Both are well-regarded and extremely hands-on. While some kids think of Wheaton as "second best" to Blair SMCS, they've actually done a great job making it distinct and hopefully serving a slightly different group of kids when it comes to interests.

Here are the course progressions for each

https://sites.google.com/mcpsmd.net/whsopenhouse2020/application-programs/engineering

https://old.mbhs.edu/departments/magnet/courses.php

https://sites.google.com/mcpsmd.net/whsopenhouse2020/application-programs/biomedical

[Anonymous]

Shockingly, many kids who are strong in STEM are also strong in orchestra.

You need more than just math and science to get into top schools. They pick students to play violin etc.

Other countries may not have jobs for creatives, but we do here in the US. Basically everyone in LA is in the business.