Boundary Review Meetings

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People are locked in on the number of homes for whatever reason. Only seems to be Lewis parents.

There are WAY more than 20 high school students living in those 282 Lewis townhomes getting rezoned to WSHS.

It is probably closer to 50 high school students. Maybe more. Maybe less.

There are around 8-9 students per grade at the elementary level from that neighborhood getting rezoned to WSHS from Lewis, approximately 60 elementary students total.

FCPS is estimating 20 students, which is roughly 3 students per grade.

This means the number of students who will attend WSHS from that neighborhood is at least triple the FCPS estimates.

Once that RV neighborhood is zoned for WSHS, that number will skyrocket. It will probably end up bringing in more students than FCPS is removing from Sangster.

Here we go again. Broken record. Speculation. Wrong info. Please stop.

Yeah, think that's pretty obvious. People with kids will start buying into a neighborhood zoned to "good schools".

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a written out list of changes to go along with the boundary explorer? Because I find it very difficult to see anything but my own specific address with it. Even in my own community, it’s hard to envision the changes with the map.
I’d like to know how many current households are added/subtracted with each change

The confusion is by design.

If you scroll down the page, there is a population count for the school that shows the current count, what it is under Scenario 3 and Scenario 4. You basically just have to add and subtract at that point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People are locked in on the number of homes for whatever reason. Only seems to be Lewis parents.

There are WAY more than 20 high school students living in those 282 Lewis townhomes getting rezoned to WSHS.

It is probably closer to 50 high school students. Maybe more. Maybe less.

There are around 8-9 students per grade at the elementary level from that neighborhood getting rezoned to WSHS from Lewis, approximately 60 elementary students total.

FCPS is estimating 20 students, which is roughly 3 students per grade.

This means the number of students who will attend WSHS from that neighborhood is at least triple the FCPS estimates.

Once that RV neighborhood is zoned for WSHS, that number will skyrocket. It will probably end up bringing in more students than FCPS is removing from Sangster.

Here we go again. Broken record. Speculation. Wrong info. Please stop.

Yeah, think that's pretty obvious. People with kids will start buying into a neighborhood zoned to "good schools".

Exactly. And WSHS will get more crowded and Lewis will be under-utilized. They don't need to be taking any more kids out of Lewis. And they need get rid of IB there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People are locked in on the number of homes for whatever reason. Only seems to be Lewis parents.

There are WAY more than 20 high school students living in those 282 Lewis townhomes getting rezoned to WSHS.

It is probably closer to 50 high school students. Maybe more. Maybe less.

There are around 8-9 students per grade at the elementary level from that neighborhood getting rezoned to WSHS from Lewis, approximately 60 elementary students total.

FCPS is estimating 20 students, which is roughly 3 students per grade.

This means the number of students who will attend WSHS from that neighborhood is at least triple the FCPS estimates.

Once that RV neighborhood is zoned for WSHS, that number will skyrocket. It will probably end up bringing in more students than FCPS is removing from Sangster.

Here we go again. Broken record. Speculation. Wrong info. Please stop.

Yeah, think that's pretty obvious. People with kids will start buying into a neighborhood zoned to "good schools".

Exactly. And WSHS will get more crowded and Lewis will be under-utilized. They don't need to be taking any more kids out of Lewis. And they need get rid of IB there.

Lewis might lose only 20 kids, but WSHS will gain at least 50 kids from that neighborhood.

[Anonymous]

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I doubt the whole Oak Hill would go to KAA. But maybe Emerald Chase goes to South Lakes and the rest of Oak Hill go to KAA.

Remember currently Emerald Chase kids (and Bradley Farm kids south of West Ox) go to Westfield. Moving them to KAA won’t give relief to Chantilly.

I don't take it for granted that Thru and the school board will do what makes sense, but what makes sense is to send Emerald Chase to KAA with the rest of Oak Hill in order to keep pyramids aligned (and, assuming the Franklin Middle School kids get redistricted for Carson, to eliminate a split feeder).

I agree. The school board has an opportunity to build an actual school pyramid with no split feeders with just making a few changes. I hope they don’t find a way to screw that up.

It is going to be very difficult to do that. Franklin and Carson are about 1.5 miles from each other.
They could send the Westfield kids who go to Franklin to Rocky Run. Then, they could make Franklin a Chantilly/Oakton split.
Carson could be South Lakes/KAA.

A lot depends on who they send to KAA. They need to determine that before switching middle schools.

Agree that they need to figure out KAA which is what makes this whole process so crazy that they are pushing forward with the Comprehensive Rezoning. I suspect there will be a lot of movement between Carson, Franklin, Rocky Run and Stone as they work on the KAA boundaries. I know some others have suggested that if Fox Mill isn't going to KAA that they might get moved to Hughes. Dr. Reid said last night in respond to a question that they were going to feather in KAA to the comprehensive boundary rezoning maps. She at first said it was only going to be an impact at the high school level and not at the ES or MS level, but then she quickly said it would be an impact at MS and HS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People are locked in on the number of homes for whatever reason. Only seems to be Lewis parents.

There are WAY more than 20 high school students living in those 282 Lewis townhomes getting rezoned to WSHS.

It is probably closer to 50 high school students. Maybe more. Maybe less.

There are around 8-9 students per grade at the elementary level from that neighborhood getting rezoned to WSHS from Lewis, approximately 60 elementary students total.

FCPS is estimating 20 students, which is roughly 3 students per grade.

This means the number of students who will attend WSHS from that neighborhood is at least triple the FCPS estimates.

Once that RV neighborhood is zoned for WSHS, that number will skyrocket. It will probably end up bringing in more students than FCPS is removing from Sangster.

Here we go again. Broken record. Speculation. Wrong info. Please stop.

Yeah, think that's pretty obvious. People with kids will start buying into a neighborhood zoned to "good schools".

Exactly. And WSHS will get more crowded and Lewis will be under-utilized. They don't need to be taking any more kids out of Lewis. And they need get rid of IB there.

Also percentages in the tool are misleading. We see actual enrollment for current year vs base school projected enrollment for scenario 4. So the actual number must be higher once you add transfers.

[Anonymous]

I think they need to fix the Franklin/Carson situation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People are locked in on the number of homes for whatever reason. Only seems to be Lewis parents.

There are WAY more than 20 high school students living in those 282 Lewis townhomes getting rezoned to WSHS.

It is probably closer to 50 high school students. Maybe more. Maybe less.

There are around 8-9 students per grade at the elementary level from that neighborhood getting rezoned to WSHS from Lewis, approximately 60 elementary students total.

FCPS is estimating 20 students, which is roughly 3 students per grade.

This means the number of students who will attend WSHS from that neighborhood is at least triple the FCPS estimates.

Once that RV neighborhood is zoned for WSHS, that number will skyrocket. It will probably end up bringing in more students than FCPS is removing from Sangster.

Here we go again. Broken record. Speculation. Wrong info. Please stop.

Yeah, think that's pretty obvious. People with kids will start buying into a neighborhood zoned to "good schools".

Exactly. And WSHS will get more crowded and Lewis will be under-utilized. They don't need to be taking any more kids out of Lewis. And they need get rid of IB there.

Also percentages in the tool are misleading. We see actual enrollment for current year vs base school projected enrollment for scenario 4. So the actual number must be higher once you add transfers.

I think it’s the other way around. I don’t think Student Planning Areas account for transfers. It’s an algorithm based on the type of housing. So the “20 students” they’re moving may not move the enrollment ticker at Lewis much, if those students were already transferring out to begin with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People are locked in on the number of homes for whatever reason. Only seems to be Lewis parents.

There are WAY more than 20 high school students living in those 282 Lewis townhomes getting rezoned to WSHS.

It is probably closer to 50 high school students. Maybe more. Maybe less.

There are around 8-9 students per grade at the elementary level from that neighborhood getting rezoned to WSHS from Lewis, approximately 60 elementary students total.

FCPS is estimating 20 students, which is roughly 3 students per grade.

This means the number of students who will attend WSHS from that neighborhood is at least triple the FCPS estimates.

Once that RV neighborhood is zoned for WSHS, that number will skyrocket. It will probably end up bringing in more students than FCPS is removing from Sangster.

Here we go again. Broken record. Speculation. Wrong info. Please stop.

Yeah, think that's pretty obvious. People with kids will start buying into a neighborhood zoned to "good schools".

Exactly. And WSHS will get more crowded and Lewis will be under-utilized. They don't need to be taking any more kids out of Lewis. And they need get rid of IB there.

Also percentages in the tool are misleading. We see actual enrollment for current year vs base school projected enrollment for scenario 4. So the actual number must be higher once you add transfers.

I think it’s the other way around. I don’t think Student Planning Areas account for transfers. It’s an algorithm based on the type of housing. So the “20 students” they’re moving may not move the enrollment ticker at Lewis much, if those students were already transferring out to begin with.

I don’t understand what you’re saying about algorithms. Any numbers they are displaying are just based on actual enrollments last year and the movement of kids from one school to another. Algorithms may tie into the future projections.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People are locked in on the number of homes for whatever reason. Only seems to be Lewis parents.

There are WAY more than 20 high school students living in those 282 Lewis townhomes getting rezoned to WSHS.

It is probably closer to 50 high school students. Maybe more. Maybe less.

There are around 8-9 students per grade at the elementary level from that neighborhood getting rezoned to WSHS from Lewis, approximately 60 elementary students total.

FCPS is estimating 20 students, which is roughly 3 students per grade.

This means the number of students who will attend WSHS from that neighborhood is at least triple the FCPS estimates.

Once that RV neighborhood is zoned for WSHS, that number will skyrocket. It will probably end up bringing in more students than FCPS is removing from Sangster.

Here we go again. Broken record. Speculation. Wrong info. Please stop.

Yeah, think that's pretty obvious. People with kids will start buying into a neighborhood zoned to "good schools".

Exactly. And WSHS will get more crowded and Lewis will be under-utilized. They don't need to be taking any more kids out of Lewis. And they need get rid of IB there.

Also percentages in the tool are misleading. We see actual enrollment for current year vs base school projected enrollment for scenario 4. So the actual number must be higher once you add transfers.

I think it’s the other way around. I don’t think Student Planning Areas account for transfers. It’s an algorithm based on the type of housing. So the “20 students” they’re moving may not move the enrollment ticker at Lewis much, if those students were already transferring out to begin with.

I don’t understand what you’re saying about algorithms. Any numbers they are displaying are just based on actual enrollments last year and the movement of kids from one school to another. Algorithms may tie into the future projections.

The building blocks they use are Student Planning Areas (SPA). Those are calculated using an algorithm and not derived directly from enrollment numbers. So while they are using real enrollment numbers to show how many students are currently at a school, when they reassign an SPA in each scenario, the predicted number of students that are being moving is based on an algorithm that estimates how many students live in that block.

[Anonymous]

Edison general education enrollment for 2024-25 was 2,111.

West Springfield general education enrollment was 2,528.

Lewis was 1,474 students, despite being boarded on both sides by huge student populations.

Even Mount Vernon, which is another under-populated school, had 1,618.

Why would the school board peel off additional students from Lewis?

It's not just AP versus IB. The school is starting to become too small to keep its sports teams fully populated, to have enough kids go into its music and drama programs. It doesn't have the depth of student population to feed into its programs. Which starts to create a spiral of people transfering out of the school, which makes the school smaller, which leads to fewer kids to go into programs, and more kids transferring out.

If the school board wants to close Lewis, the surrounding neighborhoods need to be prepared to take in an influx of students.

[Anonymous]

Points of interest from last night's meeting:
1 - Reid indicated maps for KAA would be out the end of October
2 - Transportation for grandfathered students would be voted on in December.
3 - They relied very heavily on the feedback from scenario 3 and the BRAC to make adjustments to create this new scenario 4. So places where they had attempted to eliminate an island or a split feeder got feedback that basically said "we're happy where we are, don't move us" so they reverted back to the split feeder/island.
4 - When you attend the meeting for your pyramid, you will get details on the numbers of students shifting at each level.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People are locked in on the number of homes for whatever reason. Only seems to be Lewis parents.

There are WAY more than 20 high school students living in those 282 Lewis townhomes getting rezoned to WSHS.

It is probably closer to 50 high school students. Maybe more. Maybe less.

There are around 8-9 students per grade at the elementary level from that neighborhood getting rezoned to WSHS from Lewis, approximately 60 elementary students total.

FCPS is estimating 20 students, which is roughly 3 students per grade.

This means the number of students who will attend WSHS from that neighborhood is at least triple the FCPS estimates.

Once that RV neighborhood is zoned for WSHS, that number will skyrocket. It will probably end up bringing in more students than FCPS is removing from Sangster.

Here we go again. Broken record. Speculation. Wrong info. Please stop.

Yeah, think that's pretty obvious. People with kids will start buying into a neighborhood zoned to "good schools".

Exactly. And WSHS will get more crowded and Lewis will be under-utilized. They don't need to be taking any more kids out of Lewis. And they need get rid of IB there.

Also percentages in the tool are misleading. We see actual enrollment for current year vs base school projected enrollment for scenario 4. So the actual number must be higher once you add transfers.

I think it’s the other way around. I don’t think Student Planning Areas account for transfers. It’s an algorithm based on the type of housing. So the “20 students” they’re moving may not move the enrollment ticker at Lewis much, if those students were already transferring out to begin with.

I don’t understand what you’re saying about algorithms. Any numbers they are displaying are just based on actual enrollments last year and the movement of kids from one school to another. Algorithms may tie into the future projections.

The building blocks they use are Student Planning Areas (SPA). Those are calculated using an algorithm and not derived directly from enrollment numbers. So while they are using real enrollment numbers to show how many students are currently at a school, when they reassign an SPA in each scenario, the predicted number of students that are being moving is based on an algorithm that estimates how many students live in that block.

Really? SPAs are just geographical areas. I wasn’t aware that when they project the impact of moving an SPA they are using an estimate rather than just the number of students who lived within the SPA being moved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Edison general education enrollment for 2024-25 was 2,111.

West Springfield general education enrollment was 2,528.

Lewis was 1,474 students, despite being boarded on both sides by huge student populations.

Even Mount Vernon, which is another under-populated school, had 1,618.

Why would the school board peel off additional students from Lewis?

It's not just AP versus IB. The school is starting to become too small to keep its sports teams fully populated, to have enough kids go into its music and drama programs. It doesn't have the depth of student population to feed into its programs. Which starts to create a spiral of people transfering out of the school, which makes the school smaller, which leads to fewer kids to go into programs, and more kids transferring out.

If the school board wants to close Lewis, the surrounding neighborhoods need to be prepared to take in an influx of students.

They are now proposing to move Edison kids to Annandale, Annandale kids to Justice, and Justice kids to Falls Church. Maybe it’s a prelude to consolidating Lewis and Edison in the future. No one wants Lewis and they are too cowardly to move West Springfield kids there, which everyone knew was the obvious thing to do if they were going to salvage Lewis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People are locked in on the number of homes for whatever reason. Only seems to be Lewis parents.

There are WAY more than 20 high school students living in those 282 Lewis townhomes getting rezoned to WSHS.

It is probably closer to 50 high school students. Maybe more. Maybe less.

There are around 8-9 students per grade at the elementary level from that neighborhood getting rezoned to WSHS from Lewis, approximately 60 elementary students total.

FCPS is estimating 20 students, which is roughly 3 students per grade.

This means the number of students who will attend WSHS from that neighborhood is at least triple the FCPS estimates.

Once that RV neighborhood is zoned for WSHS, that number will skyrocket. It will probably end up bringing in more students than FCPS is removing from Sangster.

Here we go again. Broken record. Speculation. Wrong info. Please stop.

Yeah, think that's pretty obvious. People with kids will start buying into a neighborhood zoned to "good schools".

Exactly. And WSHS will get more crowded and Lewis will be under-utilized. They don't need to be taking any more kids out of Lewis. And they need get rid of IB there.

Lewis might lose only 20 kids, but WSHS will gain at least 50 kids from that neighborhood.

WSHS still underr accepted capacity even if it’s 50 kids