Trump's rambling speech today

[Anonymous]

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Why is someone holding up a “you’re fired” sign. Are they saying Trump should be fired? Or Biden? Very weird optics.

The photo is not good. I found a video of the event that had better resolution and in smaller not-bold font at the top, it says "Lyin' Kamala"

But it is funny that it makes it look like the audience is saying that Trump is fired.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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I wish more tv appearances were like this.

No.
No.
No.
Never happened. Period.

Trump might lose steam if everyone talked about him like this.

DD15 and I were discussing what strategies Harris might use successfully in a debate against Trump. She suggested something basically like this - just sort of smile sadly, shake your head, and then don’t engage with anything he just said. I think he would absolutely hate being ignored.

I agree with you and your DD. The best way to counter lies is to refuse to engage. If you repeat the lie you only embed it in people’s minds more. So it could go like this:

Trump: lie lie lie lie lie lie lie

Kamala: No, Donald. *Moves on to her point.*

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I wish more tv appearances were like this.

No.
No.
No.
Never happened. Period.

Trump might lose steam if everyone talked about him like this.

DD15 and I were discussing what strategies Harris might use successfully in a debate against Trump. She suggested something basically like this - just sort of smile sadly, shake your head, and then don’t engage with anything he just said. I think he would absolutely hate being ignored.

I agree with you and your DD. The best way to counter lies is to refuse to engage. If you repeat the lie you only embed it in people’s minds more. So it could go like this:

Trump: lie lie lie lie lie lie lie

Kamala: No, Donald. *Moves on to her point.*

I generally believe that too, but do you remember Obama's first debate against Romney? Romney was stating all sorts of lies about healthcare (ironic bc he basically brought a version of the ACA to Massachusetts) but Obama didn't engage and it was a mistake. I don't know what the right thing is anymore in this weird political climate, but given the way the media is, the subtle or limited responses may not be enough.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I wish more tv appearances were like this.

No.
No.
No.
Never happened. Period.

Trump might lose steam if everyone talked about him like this.

DD15 and I were discussing what strategies Harris might use successfully in a debate against Trump. She suggested something basically like this - just sort of smile sadly, shake your head, and then don’t engage with anything he just said. I think he would absolutely hate being ignored.

I agree with you and your DD. The best way to counter lies is to refuse to engage. If you repeat the lie you only embed it in people’s minds more. So it could go like this:

Trump: lie lie lie lie lie lie lie

Kamala: No, Donald. *Moves on to her point.*

I generally believe that too, but do you remember Obama's first debate against Romney? Romney was stating all sorts of lies about healthcare (ironic bc he basically brought a version of the ACA to Massachusetts) but Obama didn't engage and it was a mistake. I don't know what the right thing is anymore in this weird political climate, but given the way the media is, the subtle or limited responses may not be enough.

I think she needs to simply call him out on every lie and then state reality. He'll go crazy being checked by a woman over and over.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Trump was weak and whiny at his Montana rally and didn't even have much of a great turnout despite it being a deep red area. Pathetic.

It’s like Trump is holding a Festivus airing of the grievances.

Exactly!

Except without the fun. Festivus is fun. This isn't fun.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It would be hilarious if Trump didn't have a very good chance of winning the WH again.

What a weird idiot.

+ 1 million

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump was weak and whiny at his Montana rally and didn't even have much of a great turnout despite it being a deep red area. Pathetic.

It’s like Trump is holding a Festivus airing of the grievances.

Exactly!

Except without the fun. Festivus is fun. This isn't fun.

Just the big list of grievances. And now, apparently, open dossiers falling out of windows.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump was weak and whiny at his Montana rally and didn't even have much of a great turnout despite it being a deep red area. Pathetic.

It’s like Trump is holding a Festivus airing of the grievances.

Exactly!

Except without the fun. Festivus is fun. This isn't fun.

Just the big list of grievances. And now, apparently, open dossiers falling out of windows.

It's simply shocking that these people didn't take more care with their private files

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Why is someone holding up a “you’re fired” sign. Are they saying Trump should be fired? Or Biden? Very weird optics.

The photo is not good. I found a video of the event that had better resolution and in smaller not-bold font at the top, it says "Lyin' Kamala"

But it is funny that it makes it look like the audience is saying that Trump is fired.

It’s even funnier when Vance is speaking in front of those signs with all the talk about Trump dropping Vance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I wish more tv appearances were like this.

No.
No.
No.
Never happened. Period.

Trump might lose steam if everyone talked about him like this.

DD15 and I were discussing what strategies Harris might use successfully in a debate against Trump. She suggested something basically like this - just sort of smile sadly, shake your head, and then don’t engage with anything he just said. I think he would absolutely hate being ignored.

I agree with you and your DD. The best way to counter lies is to refuse to engage. If you repeat the lie you only embed it in people’s minds more. So it could go like this:

Trump: lie lie lie lie lie lie lie

Kamala: No, Donald. *Moves on to her point.*

I generally believe that too, but do you remember Obama's first debate against Romney? Romney was stating all sorts of lies about healthcare (ironic bc he basically brought a version of the ACA to Massachusetts) but Obama didn't engage and it was a mistake. I don't know what the right thing is anymore in this weird political climate, but given the way the media is, the subtle or limited responses may not be enough.

I’ve heard the Pod Save American guys, who all worked for Obama during this period, discuss this a number of times. Obama was totally caught off guard because Romney just threw away everything he had been saying in the primary when he had been leaning way right to win the GOP nomination and he hadn’t prepared a response. Harris will not be surprised when Trump lies because he lies all the time, often using exactly the same words and phrases.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump was weak and whiny at his Montana rally and didn't even have much of a great turnout despite it being a deep red area. Pathetic.

It’s like Trump is holding a Festivus airing of the grievances.

Exactly!

Except without the fun. Festivus is fun. This isn't fun.

Just the big list of grievances. And now, apparently, open dossiers falling out of windows.

It's simply shocking that these people didn't take more care with their private files

It's a flippin' clown car. If they can't be serious about any of this, how can they take over the presidency?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump was weak and whiny at his Montana rally and didn't even have much of a great turnout despite it being a deep red area. Pathetic.

It’s like Trump is holding a Festivus airing of the grievances.

Exactly!

Except without the fun. Festivus is fun. This isn't fun.

Just the big list of grievances. And now, apparently, open dossiers falling out of windows.

It's simply shocking that these people didn't take more care with their private files

It's a flippin' clown car. If they can't be serious about any of this, how can they take over the presidency?

Through intimidating electoral officials and fomenting a coup. It almost worked in 2021.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I wish more tv appearances were like this.

No.
No.
No.
Never happened. Period.

Trump might lose steam if everyone talked about him like this.

DD15 and I were discussing what strategies Harris might use successfully in a debate against Trump. She suggested something basically like this - just sort of smile sadly, shake your head, and then don’t engage with anything he just said. I think he would absolutely hate being ignored.

I agree with you and your DD. The best way to counter lies is to refuse to engage. If you repeat the lie you only embed it in people’s minds more. So it could go like this:

Trump: lie lie lie lie lie lie lie

Kamala: No, Donald. *Moves on to her point.*

I generally believe that too, but do you remember Obama's first debate against Romney? Romney was stating all sorts of lies about healthcare (ironic bc he basically brought a version of the ACA to Massachusetts) but Obama didn't engage and it was a mistake. I don't know what the right thing is anymore in this weird political climate, but given the way the media is, the subtle or limited responses may not be enough.

The first phrase of every response should be "Donald that is a lie, and we can leave it to the media and public that I trust, to expose the truth" and then follow on with the specific policy response. If she can do a light fact check on the way, then great.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I wish more tv appearances were like this.

No.
No.
No.
Never happened. Period.

Trump might lose steam if everyone talked about him like this.

DD15 and I were discussing what strategies Harris might use successfully in a debate against Trump. She suggested something basically like this - just sort of smile sadly, shake your head, and then don’t engage with anything he just said. I think he would absolutely hate being ignored.

I agree with you and your DD. The best way to counter lies is to refuse to engage. If you repeat the lie you only embed it in people’s minds more. So it could go like this:

Trump: lie lie lie lie lie lie lie

Kamala: No, Donald. *Moves on to her point.*

I generally believe that too, but do you remember Obama's first debate against Romney? Romney was stating all sorts of lies about healthcare (ironic bc he basically brought a version of the ACA to Massachusetts) but Obama didn't engage and it was a mistake. I don't know what the right thing is anymore in this weird political climate, but given the way the media is, the subtle or limited responses may not be enough.

The first phrase of every response should be "Donald that is a lie, and we can leave it to the media and public that I trust, to expose the truth" and then follow on with the specific policy response. If she can do a light fact check on the way, then great.

NP. I like this approach. If she doesn't confront him at all, then the lies get ingrained in some watchers' minds. But she also loses if she gets into factual details that many watchers won't have the patience for, and it becomes he-said-she-said. But call him a liar, defer to the press fact checkers, and move on--that's great.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I wish more tv appearances were like this.

No.
No.
No.
Never happened. Period.

Trump might lose steam if everyone talked about him like this.

DD15 and I were discussing what strategies Harris might use successfully in a debate against Trump. She suggested something basically like this - just sort of smile sadly, shake your head, and then don’t engage with anything he just said. I think he would absolutely hate being ignored.

I agree with you and your DD. The best way to counter lies is to refuse to engage. If you repeat the lie you only embed it in people’s minds more. So it could go like this:

Trump: lie lie lie lie lie lie lie

Kamala: No, Donald. *Moves on to her point.*

I generally believe that too, but do you remember Obama's first debate against Romney? Romney was stating all sorts of lies about healthcare (ironic bc he basically brought a version of the ACA to Massachusetts) but Obama didn't engage and it was a mistake. I don't know what the right thing is anymore in this weird political climate, but given the way the media is, the subtle or limited responses may not be enough.

The first phrase of every response should be "Donald that is a lie, and we can leave it to the media and public that I trust, to expose the truth" and then follow on with the specific policy response. If she can do a light fact check on the way, then great.

NP. I like this approach. If she doesn't confront him at all, then the lies get ingrained in some watchers' minds. But she also loses if she gets into factual details that many watchers won't have the patience for, and it becomes he-said-she-said. But call him a liar, defer to the press fact checkers, and move on--that's great.

This is the answer.