Immigration Bill

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Anonymous wrote:It's nice to know that America will have a policy similar to the one that turned away 900 Jews who fled Nazi Germany in 1939 on the MS St. Louis, #MAGA

so for how many millennia do we need to accept every single person because we turned them way? btw, weren't they highly educated or something? or are we supposed to give preference to those who have uncle's uncle in the US, the way we do now?

Forever. Those yearning to be free should be welcome not just those who can make the most cash

So then, I should be welcomed with open arms in Italy, because I've always wanted to live there. Right?

Are you saying America is not exceptional?

No it is not

Actually, yes - it is. If you don't agree, you're free to move somewhere else.

Don't be silly, a country doesn't need to be exceptional to attract people, nor is there any need to feed a stupid expectation that immigrants, current or prospective, are not allowed to voice anything other than unadulterated praise for the US.

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Anonymous wrote:What is the earliest this bill could become law?

It can't. As noted above, it is DOA in the Senate. Not just because of senators from heavily Hispanic states but also because business that rely on low-wage labor will scream bloody murder.

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I am a liberal Democrat who is the daughter of immigrants and I agree with Cotton, Perdue, et al. on this issue. We should severely curtail low-skilled immigration and reserve those spaces for the best and brightest immigrants (obviously without discriminating based on country of origin.) I think the current system, where people can sponsor their siblings and extended family, who then theoretically get priority over high-skilled immigrants, is nuts. The Canadian and Australian systems are great models. I fail to see what's un-American or racist about this unless it discriminates based on race/ethnicity/country, which I don't believe it does.

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I am a progressive and an immigrant and I support this bill. We should have a merit based immigration system.. get the best and brightest from the world.

Most non-native Americans would not be here today if this bill was in place when their ancestors came over.

This is a complete rejection of American ideals that have stood for several centuries.

The bosom of America is open to receive not only the opulent & respectable Stranger, but the oppressed & persecuted of all Nations & Religions; whom we shall wellcome to a participation of all our rights & previleges, if by decency & propriety of conduct they appear to merit the enjoyment. -- George Washington, 1783

https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Washington/99-01-02-12127

You do realize it is no longer 1783, right? Good grief.

Oh, I see. So we only revere the founding fathers when it is convenient now.

Guess we don't need the 2nd ammendment anymore!

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Anonymous wrote:My family and I came from Russia in 1994. Neither of my parents had money or education and spoke very little English. I was in grade school and my brother and I started school without knowing a word of English. We stayed in a two bedroom apartment with another Russian family. I remember being hungry a lot. Both of my parents worked two jobs - sometimes dropping my brother and I off at the library because they couldn't afford a sitter.

My father now own a company that employs 12 Americans and gives them benefits. My mother is a preschool teacher. I am a pediatrician and my brother is in medical school now.

We are the family this bill would turn away.

Similar story for me. Many of the uneducated immigrants start small businesses. I am in NY right now, grew up in LA and lived in sf. In all those places I see low skilled immigrants starting small businesses.

Taking advantage of relatives by paying them slave wages.

this!
please stop romanticizing sweatshops.

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Anonymous wrote:It's nice to know that America will have a policy similar to the one that turned away 900 Jews who fled Nazi Germany in 1939 on the MS St. Louis, #MAGA

so for how many millennia do we need to accept every single person because we turned them way? btw, weren't they highly educated or something? or are we supposed to give preference to those who have uncle's uncle in the US, the way we do now?

Do not talk what you have no clue about. That tells badly about your intelligence and maybe you deserve to be deported replaced by some smart immigrant.

The immigration policy provides options for parents and siblings of US permanent residents or citizens to immigrate not uncle or uncle's uncle. You need to be permanent resident or citizen to even apply for them NOT just a mere visa holder.

Riiight. Except that a person brings a sibling who brings a spouse who brings a sibling so pretty quickly we have uncles uncle.

Except the waiting period even to get a sibling runs into decades. So your theory of chain migration letting people into this country to the tune of millions is possible if humans live for 200 years.

that is not true. it says in the documents/website it will take 20 years to bring ina sibling on reality it moves faster. not sure why, or maybe those people bring sibling illegally and merely start the paperwork.

You need to be a US citizen to apply for your siblings. You also need to wait 5 years to get citizenship after green card. Uncle's uncle is not coming in 50 years.

uncle's uncle will be here immediately and file his paperwork. my nanny brought half of her village to DC.

You can't file paperwork immediately as a green card holder other than your spouse or minor children. And the wait time is long.

right. but they can come here illegally and then become legal over time.

That's a totally different issue.

I have no idea why Steve Bannon/Miller picked LEGAL immigration issue as the first immigration bill to bring up.

because it's important and most people support merit system.

We already have merit system for people don't have family connections here. I thought ILLEGAL immigration was the most pressing problem. I guess not.

So cut the quota in half is going to magically attract the best and brightest to this country?

illegal immigration is a separate problem. you can walk and chew gum at the same time, you know.

foreigners and even americans have no clue what current immigration levels are. 500k or a million means nothing to them.

having a point system will attract some number of best and brightest to this country. but it is true, best and brightest as not gonna be coming to the US in great numbers. that has nothing to do with immigration law but with globalization. life at other places with good human capital is not bad anymore, in fact sometimes it's better than in the US with its insane real estate and childcare prices. that's all the more reason to strongly prioritize talented and educated. otherwise only people from the worlds' worst places will be coming.

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On its face, I don't have a problem with moving towards a merit system and making family based entry more strict. The US needs workers in certain fields. However, most economists warn that limiting immigration, particularly cutting it in half, is bad for the economy. I'm not an economist, but I think Trump should listen to them.

Also, if we limit the entry of low skilled workers and magically stop illegal immigration with the wall, who is going to fill all the low wage jobs Americans are supposedly too good for? Are they betting on employers (including, hmmm, the Trump coorperation itself) substantially raising wages? Or start a "work-study" program for poor children?

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Anonymous wrote:On its face, I don't have a problem with moving towards a merit system and making family based entry more strict. The US needs workers in certain fields. However, most economists warn that limiting immigration, particularly cutting it in half, is bad for the economy. I'm not an economist, but I think Trump should listen to them.

Also, if we limit the entry of low skilled workers and magically stop illegal immigration with the wall, who is going to fill all the low wage jobs Americans are supposedly too good for? Are they betting on employers (including, hmmm, the Trump coorperation itself) substantially raising wages? Or start a "work-study" program for poor children?

There might be or might not be an economy hit. They won't really know until it happens. It's like the 2016 election, you can predict all you want, but people's actions may not conform to a poll or chart. If there was an economic hit, it would be short lived at best.

If employers were certain that man power would dry up, and at this point they are not, they would move to more automation. Lots of low skilled jobs can be replaced by automation but many companies are not moving that way yet because they can still hire people.

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As a liberal, when you bring this up - the Latino groups hammer you.

They are fully against Australian/Canadian type systems.

We should be bringing in more Japanese, Koreans, Jews, high IQ northwest Europeans.

Not the dregs

Why would any of these folks who aren't already here, want to come?

What happened to

“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

That's nice you can quote the engraving on the base of the Statue of Liberty.

It fails to explain why our current economy would benefits from more waves of illiterate, impoverished, unskilled teens from primarily 3 countries: El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras - like the waves encouraged under Obama.

+1. That quote was from a time that America desperately needed workers, including children, to slave away in manufacturing. In case you haven't noticed, we no longer have a lot of manufacturing jobs. Also, the immigrants of that time were required to pass certain IQ tests and provide proof that they would be able to support themselves. Others were held in quarantine for health reasons. Do some reading PP instead of relying on your precious quote.

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It is totally illogical for the left to decry about the coming perils of labor substitution due to automation/AI and how we need to tackle that as a society in terms of new political-economy thinking (we are right on this issue) and then very very next sentence talk about the need to bring over hordes of unwashed and uneducated.

How does this make any sense?

the trend lines are clear - our population mix needs to trend towards a higher concentration of highly skilled people. Our Human capital quality is affected by suboptimal immigration laws.

How do progressives not see or understand this?

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Anonymous wrote:It's nice to know that America will have a policy similar to the one that turned away 900 Jews who fled Nazi Germany in 1939 on the MS St. Louis, #MAGA

so for how many millennia do we need to accept every single person because we turned them way? btw, weren't they highly educated or something? or are we supposed to give preference to those who have uncle's uncle in the US, the way we do now?

Do not talk what you have no clue about. That tells badly about your intelligence and maybe you deserve to be deported replaced by some smart immigrant.

The immigration policy provides options for parents and siblings of US permanent residents or citizens to immigrate not uncle or uncle's uncle. You need to be permanent resident or citizen to even apply for them NOT just a mere visa holder.

Riiight. Except that a person brings a sibling who brings a spouse who brings a sibling so pretty quickly we have uncles uncle.

Except the waiting period even to get a sibling runs into decades. So your theory of chain migration letting people into this country to the tune of millions is possible if humans live for 200 years.

that is not true. it says in the documents/website it will take 20 years to bring ina sibling on reality it moves faster. not sure why, or maybe those people bring sibling illegally and merely start the paperwork.

You need to be a US citizen to apply for your siblings. You also need to wait 5 years to get citizenship after green card. Uncle's uncle is not coming in 50 years.

uncle's uncle will be here immediately and file his paperwork. my nanny brought half of her village to DC.

You can't file paperwork immediately as a green card holder other than your spouse or minor children. And the wait time is long.

right. but they can come here illegally and then become legal over time.

That's a totally different issue.

I have no idea why Steve Bannon/Miller picked LEGAL immigration issue as the first immigration bill to bring up.

because it's important and most people support merit system.

We already have merit system for people don't have family connections here. I thought ILLEGAL immigration was the most pressing problem. I guess not.

So cut the quota in half is going to magically attract the best and brightest to this country?

illegal immigration is a separate problem. you can walk and chew gum at the same time, you know.

foreigners and even americans have no clue what current immigration levels are. 500k or a million means nothing to them.

having a point system will attract some number of best and brightest to this country. but it is true, best and brightest as not gonna be coming to the US in great numbers. that has nothing to do with immigration law but with globalization. life at other places with good human capital is not bad anymore, in fact sometimes it's better than in the US with its insane real estate and childcare prices. that's all the more reason to strongly prioritize talented and educated. otherwise only people from the worlds' worst places will be coming.

Illegal immigration is part of the same problem! If you make it impossible for people to come legally, guess what, they have nothing to lose and come illegally.

We have a merit based system that already exists and works in parallel with the family-based system. And guess what? The employment based system is far less subscribed than the family-based system. The visa waiting time for skilled and professional workers is non-existent or far less than the family wait times, depending on category.

We have more Spanish speakers in the US than they have in Spain, so Spanish should get points too, just like French does in Canada.

This announcement was just a political stunt to distract by the White House. This bill has been getting zero traction in the Senate.

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People who keep lauding canada and australia has having a higher % of foreign born - please be very clear as to the ethnic/racial mix of their foreign born %.

Australia and Canada have a LOT less NAM/URM population on a percentage basis compared to us.

Australia and Canada have a way higher asian and UK/Commonwealth country % of that mix.

I don't have a problem with immigration or foreign born - i do have a problem with low quality immigration and foreign born.

I'm ready to import 170 million japanese and koreans tomorrow and get rid of the bottom half of our citizenry.

As a democrat other than wanting a higher percentage of urms for future votes, I don't see the value.

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Anonymous wrote:It's nice to know that America will have a policy similar to the one that turned away 900 Jews who fled Nazi Germany in 1939 on the MS St. Louis, #MAGA

so for how many millennia do we need to accept every single person because we turned them way? btw, weren't they highly educated or something? or are we supposed to give preference to those who have uncle's uncle in the US, the way we do now?

Do not talk what you have no clue about. That tells badly about your intelligence and maybe you deserve to be deported replaced by some smart immigrant.

The immigration policy provides options for parents and siblings of US permanent residents or citizens to immigrate not uncle or uncle's uncle. You need to be permanent resident or citizen to even apply for them NOT just a mere visa holder.

Riiight. Except that a person brings a sibling who brings a spouse who brings a sibling so pretty quickly we have uncles uncle.

Except the waiting period even to get a sibling runs into decades. So your theory of chain migration letting people into this country to the tune of millions is possible if humans live for 200 years.

that is not true. it says in the documents/website it will take 20 years to bring ina sibling on reality it moves faster. not sure why, or maybe those people bring sibling illegally and merely start the paperwork.

You need to be a US citizen to apply for your siblings. You also need to wait 5 years to get citizenship after green card. Uncle's uncle is not coming in 50 years.

uncle's uncle will be here immediately and file his paperwork. my nanny brought half of her village to DC.

You can't file paperwork immediately as a green card holder other than your spouse or minor children. And the wait time is long.

right. but they can come here illegally and then become legal over time.

That's a totally different issue.

I have no idea why Steve Bannon/Miller picked LEGAL immigration issue as the first immigration bill to bring up.

because it's important and most people support merit system.

We already have merit system for people don't have family connections here. I thought ILLEGAL immigration was the most pressing problem. I guess not.

So cut the quota in half is going to magically attract the best and brightest to this country?

illegal immigration is a separate problem. you can walk and chew gum at the same time, you know.

foreigners and even americans have no clue what current immigration levels are. 500k or a million means nothing to them.

having a point system will attract some number of best and brightest to this country. but it is true, best and brightest as not gonna be coming to the US in great numbers. that has nothing to do with immigration law but with globalization. life at other places with good human capital is not bad anymore, in fact sometimes it's better than in the US with its insane real estate and childcare prices. that's all the more reason to strongly prioritize talented and educated. otherwise only people from the worlds' worst places will be coming.

Illegal immigration is part of the same problem! If you make it impossible for people to come legally, guess what, they have nothing to lose and come illegally.

We have a merit based system that already exists and works in parallel with the family-based system. And guess what? The employment based system is far less subscribed than the family-based system. The visa waiting time for skilled and professional workers is non-existent or far less than the family wait times, depending on category.

We have more Spanish speakers in the US than they have in Spain, so Spanish should get points too, just like French does in Canada.

This announcement was just a political stunt to distract by the White House. This bill has been getting zero traction in the Senate.

it won't get traction in the senate because all dems oppose it (to their peril - see peter beinart a liberal on this issue in the atlantic recently) and there are enough R's who are beholden to big business that want to flood the country with low skilled drones.

Remember the vox interview when bernie was asked if he supported relaxed immigration - he said 'no, that's a koch brothers proposal. we need to have an immigration policy that protects american workers". he said this in an interview with ezra klein

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Anonymous wrote:On its face, I don't have a problem with moving towards a merit system and making family based entry more strict. The US needs workers in certain fields. However, most economists warn that limiting immigration, particularly cutting it in half, is bad for the economy. I'm not an economist, but I think Trump should listen to them.

Also, if we limit the entry of low skilled workers and magically stop illegal immigration with the wall, who is going to fill all the low wage jobs Americans are supposedly too good for? Are they betting on employers (including, hmmm, the Trump coorperation itself) substantially raising wages? Or start a "work-study" program for poor children?

There might be or might not be an economy hit. They won't really know until it happens. It's like the 2016 election, you can predict all you want, but people's actions may not conform to a poll or chart. If there was an economic hit, it would be short lived at best.

If employers were certain that man power would dry up, and at this point they are not, they would move to more automation. Lots of low skilled jobs can be replaced by automation but many companies are not moving that way yet because they can still hire people.

Just like we dont know if there will be economic growth from cutting corporate taxes. Corporations pay almost nothing now because of credits and loopholes, so it will hardly make a difference . So let's not do it.

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And when this gets killed in the senate, don't be surprised if people support Trump on this matter.

That's why trump destroyed the R field - immigration was really the one area where he ran totally against the party and it propelled him

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Anonymous wrote:It's nice to know that America will have a policy similar to the one that turned away 900 Jews who fled Nazi Germany in 1939 on the MS St. Louis, #MAGA

so for how many millennia do we need to accept every single person because we turned them way? btw, weren't they highly educated or something? or are we supposed to give preference to those who have uncle's uncle in the US, the way we do now?

Do not talk what you have no clue about. That tells badly about your intelligence and maybe you deserve to be deported replaced by some smart immigrant.

The immigration policy provides options for parents and siblings of US permanent residents or citizens to immigrate not uncle or uncle's uncle. You need to be permanent resident or citizen to even apply for them NOT just a mere visa holder.

Riiight. Except that a person brings a sibling who brings a spouse who brings a sibling so pretty quickly we have uncles uncle.

Except the waiting period even to get a sibling runs into decades. So your theory of chain migration letting people into this country to the tune of millions is possible if humans live for 200 years.

that is not true. it says in the documents/website it will take 20 years to bring ina sibling on reality it moves faster. not sure why, or maybe those people bring sibling illegally and merely start the paperwork.

You need to be a US citizen to apply for your siblings. You also need to wait 5 years to get citizenship after green card. Uncle's uncle is not coming in 50 years.

uncle's uncle will be here immediately and file his paperwork. my nanny brought half of her village to DC.

You can't file paperwork immediately as a green card holder other than your spouse or minor children. And the wait time is long.

right. but they can come here illegally and then become legal over time.

That's a totally different issue.

I have no idea why Steve Bannon/Miller picked LEGAL immigration issue as the first immigration bill to bring up.

because it's important and most people support merit system.

We already have merit system for people don't have family connections here. I thought ILLEGAL immigration was the most pressing problem. I guess not.

So cut the quota in half is going to magically attract the best and brightest to this country?

illegal immigration is a separate problem. you can walk and chew gum at the same time, you know.

foreigners and even americans have no clue what current immigration levels are. 500k or a million means nothing to them.

having a point system will attract some number of best and brightest to this country. but it is true, best and brightest as not gonna be coming to the US in great numbers. that has nothing to do with immigration law but with globalization. life at other places with good human capital is not bad anymore, in fact sometimes it's better than in the US with its insane real estate and childcare prices. that's all the more reason to strongly prioritize talented and educated. otherwise only people from the worlds' worst places will be coming.

Illegal immigration is part of the same problem! If you make it impossible for people to come legally, guess what, they have nothing to lose and come illegally.

We have a merit based system that already exists and works in parallel with the family-based system. And guess what? The employment based system is far less subscribed than the family-based system. The visa waiting time for skilled and professional workers is non-existent or far less than the family wait times, depending on category.

We have more Spanish speakers in the US than they have in Spain, so Spanish should get points too, just like French does in Canada.

This announcement was just a political stunt to distract by the White House. This bill has been getting zero traction in the Senate.

it won't get traction in the senate because all dems oppose it (to their peril - see peter beinart a liberal on this issue in the atlantic recently) and there are enough R's who are beholden to big business that want to flood the country with low skilled drones.

Remember the vox interview when bernie was asked if he supported relaxed immigration - he said 'no, that's a koch brothers proposal. we need to have an immigration policy that protects american workers". he said this in an interview with ezra klein

The bill is not new. Many Republicans oppose it.