Cuts for Making HS Team

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Anonymous wrote:Have a swimmer on a HS team and she is saying that no one makes it who doesn't have at least a 1:10 in 100 free (women's). Not sure how accurate that is.

For my kid's school it's 1:02. And yes, there will be cuts to get down to 30 girls, and yes some kids who swim club will be cut.

1:02? Is this a local school - that seems very fast.

And a really stupid metric for someone who is, say, a breast specialist

I do not know any breast specialists who are not also well under a minute in the 100 free. If they can't hit that, it's an excuse, not a specialty. 55 seconds, sure maybe not reasonable, but a minute two?

I can think of a bunch. We’re talking about 13 and 14-year-old girls.

Actually, we're talking about 14 to 18 year old girls. And as a specific example, all the winter classic B finalists in open 100 breast and the 14 year olds in 13-14 tonight have a 100 free under a minute. All the "specialists" should be making the B final.

You’re comparing winter classic finalists with kids fighting to make the bottom of a bloated high school team roster. Apples and hand grenades.

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Anonymous wrote:Have a swimmer on a HS team and she is saying that no one makes it who doesn't have at least a 1:10 in 100 free (women's). Not sure how accurate that is.

For my kid's school it's 1:02. And yes, there will be cuts to get down to 30 girls, and yes some kids who swim club will be cut.

1:02? Is this a local school - that seems very fast.

And a really stupid metric for someone who is, say, a breast specialist

I do not know any breast specialists who are not also well under a minute in the 100 free. If they can't hit that, it's an excuse, not a specialty. 55 seconds, sure maybe not reasonable, but a minute two?

I can think of a bunch. We’re talking about 13 and 14-year-old girls.

Actually, we're talking about 14 to 18 year old girls. And as a specific example, all the winter classic B finalists in open 100 breast and the 14 year olds in 13-14 tonight have a 100 free under a minute. All the "specialists" should be making the B final.

You’re comparing winter classic finalists with kids fighting to make the bottom of a bloated high school team roster. Apples and hand grenades.

I'm saying that 1:02.50 is a perfectly reasonable standard for 100 freestyle to keep the team from getting too bloated, and someone saying they can't meet that standard because they're a breaststroker is full of it.

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Anonymous wrote:Have a swimmer on a HS team and she is saying that no one makes it who doesn't have at least a 1:10 in 100 free (women's). Not sure how accurate that is.

For my kid's school it's 1:02. And yes, there will be cuts to get down to 30 girls, and yes some kids who swim club will be cut.

1:02? Is this a local school - that seems very fast.

And a really stupid metric for someone who is, say, a breast specialist

I do not know any breast specialists who are not also well under a minute in the 100 free. If they can't hit that, it's an excuse, not a specialty. 55 seconds, sure maybe not reasonable, but a minute two?

I can think of a bunch. We’re talking about 13 and 14-year-old girls.

Actually, we're talking about 14 to 18 year old girls. And as a specific example, all the winter classic B finalists in open 100 breast and the 14 year olds in 13-14 tonight have a 100 free under a minute. All the "specialists" should be making the B final.

You’re comparing winter classic finalists with kids fighting to make the bottom of a bloated high school team roster. Apples and hand grenades.

I'm saying that 1:02.50 is a perfectly reasonable standard for 100 freestyle to keep the team from getting too bloated, and someone saying they can't meet that standard because they're a breaststroker is full of it.

1:02.5 a reasonable standard: Ok

Can’t meet it because there’re a breaststroke: Not full of it at all. Just say you don’t know any breaststroke specialists.

I’d gladly give you names of 5 kids I can personally name that fall under this criteria. But I’m not calling kids out. Hell, in 1 minute of research I came up with five 13-14 girls that made NVSL all stars in breaststroke that were not in the top 100 in freestyle, and aren’t sniffing 1:02.

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Anonymous wrote:Have a swimmer on a HS team and she is saying that no one makes it who doesn't have at least a 1:10 in 100 free (women's). Not sure how accurate that is.

For my kid's school it's 1:02. And yes, there will be cuts to get down to 30 girls, and yes some kids who swim club will be cut.

1:02? Is this a local school - that seems very fast.

And a really stupid metric for someone who is, say, a breast specialist

I do not know any breast specialists who are not also well under a minute in the 100 free. If they can't hit that, it's an excuse, not a specialty. 55 seconds, sure maybe not reasonable, but a minute two?

I can think of a bunch. We’re talking about 13 and 14-year-old girls.

Actually, we're talking about 14 to 18 year old girls. And as a specific example, all the winter classic B finalists in open 100 breast and the 14 year olds in 13-14 tonight have a 100 free under a minute. All the "specialists" should be making the B final.

You’re comparing winter classic finalists with kids fighting to make the bottom of a bloated high school team roster. Apples and hand grenades.

I'm saying that 1:02.50 is a perfectly reasonable standard for 100 freestyle to keep the team from getting too bloated, and someone saying they can't meet that standard because they're a breaststroker is full of it.

1:02.5 a reasonable standard: Ok

Can’t meet it because there’re a breaststroke: Not full of it at all. Just say you don’t know any breaststroke specialists.

I’d gladly give you names of 5 kids I can personally name that fall under this criteria. But I’m not calling kids out. Hell, in 1 minute of research I came up with five 13-14 girls that made NVSL all stars in breaststroke that were not in the top 100 in freestyle, and aren’t sniffing 1:02.

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Anonymous wrote:Have a swimmer on a HS team and she is saying that no one makes it who doesn't have at least a 1:10 in 100 free (women's). Not sure how accurate that is.

For my kid's school it's 1:02. And yes, there will be cuts to get down to 30 girls, and yes some kids who swim club will be cut.

1:02? Is this a local school - that seems very fast.

And a really stupid metric for someone who is, say, a breast specialist

I do not know any breast specialists who are not also well under a minute in the 100 free. If they can't hit that, it's an excuse, not a specialty. 55 seconds, sure maybe not reasonable, but a minute two?

I can think of a bunch. We’re talking about 13 and 14-year-old girls.

Actually, we're talking about 14 to 18 year old girls. And as a specific example, all the winter classic B finalists in open 100 breast and the 14 year olds in 13-14 tonight have a 100 free under a minute. All the "specialists" should be making the B final.

You’re comparing winter classic finalists with kids fighting to make the bottom of a bloated high school team roster. Apples and hand grenades.

I'm saying that 1:02.50 is a perfectly reasonable standard for 100 freestyle to keep the team from getting too bloated, and someone saying they can't meet that standard because they're a breaststroker is full of it.

1:02.5 a reasonable standard: Ok

Can’t meet it because there’re a breaststroke: Not full of it at all. Just say you don’t know any breaststroke specialists.

I’d gladly give you names of 5 kids I can personally name that fall under this criteria. But I’m not calling kids out. Hell, in 1 minute of research I came up with five 13-14 girls that made NVSL all stars in breaststroke that were not in the top 100 in freestyle, and aren’t sniffing 1:02.

50s without blocks in summer league is not relevant here, especially since they are competing with 15-18 for spots. I would say a specialist should be under 1:16 for breast. PVS girls I saw right at that standard are all under 1:02 in free. If one isn't, well she might have to wait until sophomore year to join a varsity team.

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Anonymous wrote:Have a swimmer on a HS team and she is saying that no one makes it who doesn't have at least a 1:10 in 100 free (women's). Not sure how accurate that is.

For my kid's school it's 1:02. And yes, there will be cuts to get down to 30 girls, and yes some kids who swim club will be cut.

1:02? Is this a local school - that seems very fast.

And a really stupid metric for someone who is, say, a breast specialist

I do not know any breast specialists who are not also well under a minute in the 100 free. If they can't hit that, it's an excuse, not a specialty. 55 seconds, sure maybe not reasonable, but a minute two?

I can think of a bunch. We’re talking about 13 and 14-year-old girls.

Actually, we're talking about 14 to 18 year old girls. And as a specific example, all the winter classic B finalists in open 100 breast and the 14 year olds in 13-14 tonight have a 100 free under a minute. All the "specialists" should be making the B final.

You’re comparing winter classic finalists with kids fighting to make the bottom of a bloated high school team roster. Apples and hand grenades.

I'm saying that 1:02.50 is a perfectly reasonable standard for 100 freestyle to keep the team from getting too bloated, and someone saying they can't meet that standard because they're a breaststroker is full of it.

1:02.5 a reasonable standard: Ok

Can’t meet it because there’re a breaststroke: Not full of it at all. Just say you don’t know any breaststroke specialists.

I’d gladly give you names of 5 kids I can personally name that fall under this criteria. But I’m not calling kids out. Hell, in 1 minute of research I came up with five 13-14 girls that made NVSL all stars in breaststroke that were not in the top 100 in freestyle, and aren’t sniffing 1:02.

50s without blocks in summer league is not relevant here, especially since they are competing with 15-18 for spots. I would say a specialist should be under 1:16 for breast. PVS girls I saw right at that standard are all under 1:02 in free. If one isn't, well she might have to wait until sophomore year to join a varsity team.

+1, can the NVSL summer swim people go away for at least another few months? Summer swim doesn’t mean anything and isn’t a valid comparison point, it’s 50 SCM races with no blocks, no touchpads, outdoors, etc. Specialist is also relative, your best stroke may be breaststroke but if you're under the A time standard I wouldn’t necessarily say you’re a “specialist”. When I think specialist I think of the swimmer who is at least champs level in a stroke but is nowhere close to that level in any other event. The higher level swimmer you are talking about, the more rare that is.

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I was curious about cuts and found this for McLean High School - 1.03 for 100 free but has a bunch of other cuts as well

https://www.theswimfarm.com/making-the-team

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Anonymous wrote:I was curious about cuts and found this for McLean High School - 1.03 for 100 free but has a bunch of other cuts as well

https://www.theswimfarm.com/making-the-team

These are quite reasonable, even generous. Nice to see the example.

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Anonymous wrote:I was curious about cuts and found this for McLean High School - 1.03 for 100 free but has a bunch of other cuts as well

https://www.theswimfarm.com/making-the-team

These are quite reasonable, even generous. Nice to see the example.

Looks like the girls team is significantly easier to make than the boys?

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Anonymous wrote:I was curious about cuts and found this for McLean High School - 1.03 for 100 free but has a bunch of other cuts as well

https://www.theswimfarm.com/making-the-team

These are quite reasonable, even generous. Nice to see the example.

Looks like the girls team is significantly easier to make than the boys?

Yes, why is it so much easier for the girls? 200 free for example is a girls’ 13-14 BB, and just one second from the boys’ 13-14 AA.

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Yeah, weird. Girls only have to be B-BB, while boys have to be A-AA. Most high school swim teams have more girls interested in participating than boys, so this makes little sense.

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McLean boys did win Districts last year. So maybe they were the stronger team of the two?

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Anonymous wrote:Have a swimmer on a HS team and she is saying that no one makes it who doesn't have at least a 1:10 in 100 free (women's). Not sure how accurate that is.

For my kid's school it's 1:02. And yes, there will be cuts to get down to 30 girls, and yes some kids who swim club will be cut.

1:02? Is this a local school - that seems very fast.

And a really stupid metric for someone who is, say, a breast specialist

I do not know any breast specialists who are not also well under a minute in the 100 free. If they can't hit that, it's an excuse, not a specialty. 55 seconds, sure maybe not reasonable, but a minute two?

I can think of a bunch. We’re talking about 13 and 14-year-old girls.

Actually, we're talking about 14 to 18 year old girls. And as a specific example, all the winter classic B finalists in open 100 breast and the 14 year olds in 13-14 tonight have a 100 free under a minute. All the "specialists" should be making the B final.

You’re comparing winter classic finalists with kids fighting to make the bottom of a bloated high school team roster. Apples and hand grenades.

I'm saying that 1:02.50 is a perfectly reasonable standard for 100 freestyle to keep the team from getting too bloated, and someone saying they can't meet that standard because they're a breaststroker is full of it.

My daughter swims for PVS, has a champs cut in 100 breast and is the fastest breaststroker on her high school team. She does not have that cut in 100 free.

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Anonymous wrote:Have a swimmer on a HS team and she is saying that no one makes it who doesn't have at least a 1:10 in 100 free (women's). Not sure how accurate that is.

For my kid's school it's 1:02. And yes, there will be cuts to get down to 30 girls, and yes some kids who swim club will be cut.

1:02? Is this a local school - that seems very fast.

And a really stupid metric for someone who is, say, a breast specialist

I do not know any breast specialists who are not also well under a minute in the 100 free. If they can't hit that, it's an excuse, not a specialty. 55 seconds, sure maybe not reasonable, but a minute two?

I can think of a bunch. We’re talking about 13 and 14-year-old girls.

Actually, we're talking about 14 to 18 year old girls. And as a specific example, all the winter classic B finalists in open 100 breast and the 14 year olds in 13-14 tonight have a 100 free under a minute. All the "specialists" should be making the B final.

You’re comparing winter classic finalists with kids fighting to make the bottom of a bloated high school team roster. Apples and hand grenades.

I'm saying that 1:02.50 is a perfectly reasonable standard for 100 freestyle to keep the team from getting too bloated, and someone saying they can't meet that standard because they're a breaststroker is full of it.

My daughter swims for PVS, has a champs cut in 100 breast and is the fastest breaststroker on her high school team. She does not have that cut in 100 free.

Champs cute for open? Or 13-14? She is the outlier and should work on her freestyle technique.

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Anonymous wrote:Have a swimmer on a HS team and she is saying that no one makes it who doesn't have at least a 1:10 in 100 free (women's). Not sure how accurate that is.

For my kid's school it's 1:02. And yes, there will be cuts to get down to 30 girls, and yes some kids who swim club will be cut.

1:02? Is this a local school - that seems very fast.

And a really stupid metric for someone who is, say, a breast specialist

I do not know any breast specialists who are not also well under a minute in the 100 free. If they can't hit that, it's an excuse, not a specialty. 55 seconds, sure maybe not reasonable, but a minute two?

I can think of a bunch. We’re talking about 13 and 14-year-old girls.

Actually, we're talking about 14 to 18 year old girls. And as a specific example, all the winter classic B finalists in open 100 breast and the 14 year olds in 13-14 tonight have a 100 free under a minute. All the "specialists" should be making the B final.

You’re comparing winter classic finalists with kids fighting to make the bottom of a bloated high school team roster. Apples and hand grenades.

I'm saying that 1:02.50 is a perfectly reasonable standard for 100 freestyle to keep the team from getting too bloated, and someone saying they can't meet that standard because they're a breaststroker is full of it.

1:02.5 a reasonable standard: Ok

Can’t meet it because there’re a breaststroke: Not full of it at all. Just say you don’t know any breaststroke specialists.

I’d gladly give you names of 5 kids I can personally name that fall under this criteria. But I’m not calling kids out. Hell, in 1 minute of research I came up with five 13-14 girls that made NVSL all stars in breaststroke that were not in the top 100 in freestyle, and aren’t sniffing 1:02.

50s without blocks in summer league is not relevant here, especially since they are competing with 15-18 for spots. I would say a specialist should be under 1:16 for breast. PVS girls I saw right at that standard are all under 1:02 in free. If one isn't, well she might have to wait until sophomore year to join a varsity team.

+1, can the NVSL summer swim people go away for at least another few months? Summer swim doesn’t mean anything and isn’t a valid comparison point, it’s 50 SCM races with no blocks, no touchpads, outdoors, etc. Specialist is also relative, your best stroke may be breaststroke but if you're under the A time standard I wouldn’t necessarily say you’re a “specialist”. When I think specialist I think of the swimmer who is at least champs level in a stroke but is nowhere close to that level in any other event. The higher level swimmer you are talking about, the more rare that is.

-Yeah, swimming outdoors doesn't count! I mean, except for the Olympics, Pro Series Events, and European Champs.
-And no touchpads? I mean, those times are likely off by minutes!
-Would you prefer we not use the word, "specialist" and just say "best stroke by a fair margin"? Would that make you feel better?

That 13-14G NVSL all-star was just a quick and easy example to see 5 top-tier swimmers in one small snapshot.

Those 100y times:

Free / Breast
1:04 / 1:15
1:05 / 1:13
1:06 / 1:17
1:10 / 1:17
1:05 / 1:17
+1 that doesn't have recent SCY times, but would not be able to hit 1:02 in 100y Free

Just because you don't see it, or don't want to see it, doesn't mean it's not there. It's ok to be wrong.