Cuts for Making HS Team

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Anonymous wrote:Have a swimmer on a HS team and she is saying that no one makes it who doesn't have at least a 1:10 in 100 free (women's). Not sure how accurate that is.

For my kid's school it's 1:02. And yes, there will be cuts to get down to 30 girls, and yes some kids who swim club will be cut.

1:02? Is this a local school - that seems very fast.

And a really stupid metric for someone who is, say, a breast specialist

I do not know any breast specialists who are not also well under a minute in the 100 free. If they can't hit that, it's an excuse, not a specialty. 55 seconds, sure maybe not reasonable, but a minute two?

I can think of a bunch. We’re talking about 13 and 14-year-old girls.

Actually, we're talking about 14 to 18 year old girls. And as a specific example, all the winter classic B finalists in open 100 breast and the 14 year olds in 13-14 tonight have a 100 free under a minute. All the "specialists" should be making the B final.

You’re comparing winter classic finalists with kids fighting to make the bottom of a bloated high school team roster. Apples and hand grenades.

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Anonymous wrote:Have a swimmer on a HS team and she is saying that no one makes it who doesn't have at least a 1:10 in 100 free (women's). Not sure how accurate that is.

For my kid's school it's 1:02. And yes, there will be cuts to get down to 30 girls, and yes some kids who swim club will be cut.

1:02? Is this a local school - that seems very fast.

And a really stupid metric for someone who is, say, a breast specialist

I do not know any breast specialists who are not also well under a minute in the 100 free. If they can't hit that, it's an excuse, not a specialty. 55 seconds, sure maybe not reasonable, but a minute two?

I can think of a bunch. We’re talking about 13 and 14-year-old girls.

Actually, we're talking about 14 to 18 year old girls. And as a specific example, all the winter classic B finalists in open 100 breast and the 14 year olds in 13-14 tonight have a 100 free under a minute. All the "specialists" should be making the B final.

You’re comparing winter classic finalists with kids fighting to make the bottom of a bloated high school team roster. Apples and hand grenades.

I'm saying that 1:02.50 is a perfectly reasonable standard for 100 freestyle to keep the team from getting too bloated, and someone saying they can't meet that standard because they're a breaststroker is full of it.

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Anonymous wrote:Have a swimmer on a HS team and she is saying that no one makes it who doesn't have at least a 1:10 in 100 free (women's). Not sure how accurate that is.

For my kid's school it's 1:02. And yes, there will be cuts to get down to 30 girls, and yes some kids who swim club will be cut.

1:02? Is this a local school - that seems very fast.

And a really stupid metric for someone who is, say, a breast specialist

I do not know any breast specialists who are not also well under a minute in the 100 free. If they can't hit that, it's an excuse, not a specialty. 55 seconds, sure maybe not reasonable, but a minute two?

I can think of a bunch. We’re talking about 13 and 14-year-old girls.

Actually, we're talking about 14 to 18 year old girls. And as a specific example, all the winter classic B finalists in open 100 breast and the 14 year olds in 13-14 tonight have a 100 free under a minute. All the "specialists" should be making the B final.

You’re comparing winter classic finalists with kids fighting to make the bottom of a bloated high school team roster. Apples and hand grenades.

I'm saying that 1:02.50 is a perfectly reasonable standard for 100 freestyle to keep the team from getting too bloated, and someone saying they can't meet that standard because they're a breaststroker is full of it.

1:02.5 a reasonable standard: Ok

Can’t meet it because there’re a breaststroke: Not full of it at all. Just say you don’t know any breaststroke specialists.

I’d gladly give you names of 5 kids I can personally name that fall under this criteria. But I’m not calling kids out. Hell, in 1 minute of research I came up with five 13-14 girls that made NVSL all stars in breaststroke that were not in the top 100 in freestyle, and aren’t sniffing 1:02.

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Anonymous wrote:Have a swimmer on a HS team and she is saying that no one makes it who doesn't have at least a 1:10 in 100 free (women's). Not sure how accurate that is.

For my kid's school it's 1:02. And yes, there will be cuts to get down to 30 girls, and yes some kids who swim club will be cut.

1:02? Is this a local school - that seems very fast.

And a really stupid metric for someone who is, say, a breast specialist

I do not know any breast specialists who are not also well under a minute in the 100 free. If they can't hit that, it's an excuse, not a specialty. 55 seconds, sure maybe not reasonable, but a minute two?

I can think of a bunch. We’re talking about 13 and 14-year-old girls.

Actually, we're talking about 14 to 18 year old girls. And as a specific example, all the winter classic B finalists in open 100 breast and the 14 year olds in 13-14 tonight have a 100 free under a minute. All the "specialists" should be making the B final.

You’re comparing winter classic finalists with kids fighting to make the bottom of a bloated high school team roster. Apples and hand grenades.

I'm saying that 1:02.50 is a perfectly reasonable standard for 100 freestyle to keep the team from getting too bloated, and someone saying they can't meet that standard because they're a breaststroker is full of it.

1:02.5 a reasonable standard: Ok

Can’t meet it because there’re a breaststroke: Not full of it at all. Just say you don’t know any breaststroke specialists.

I’d gladly give you names of 5 kids I can personally name that fall under this criteria. But I’m not calling kids out. Hell, in 1 minute of research I came up with five 13-14 girls that made NVSL all stars in breaststroke that were not in the top 100 in freestyle, and aren’t sniffing 1:02.

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Anonymous wrote:Have a swimmer on a HS team and she is saying that no one makes it who doesn't have at least a 1:10 in 100 free (women's). Not sure how accurate that is.

For my kid's school it's 1:02. And yes, there will be cuts to get down to 30 girls, and yes some kids who swim club will be cut.

1:02? Is this a local school - that seems very fast.

And a really stupid metric for someone who is, say, a breast specialist

I do not know any breast specialists who are not also well under a minute in the 100 free. If they can't hit that, it's an excuse, not a specialty. 55 seconds, sure maybe not reasonable, but a minute two?

I can think of a bunch. We’re talking about 13 and 14-year-old girls.

Actually, we're talking about 14 to 18 year old girls. And as a specific example, all the winter classic B finalists in open 100 breast and the 14 year olds in 13-14 tonight have a 100 free under a minute. All the "specialists" should be making the B final.

You’re comparing winter classic finalists with kids fighting to make the bottom of a bloated high school team roster. Apples and hand grenades.

I'm saying that 1:02.50 is a perfectly reasonable standard for 100 freestyle to keep the team from getting too bloated, and someone saying they can't meet that standard because they're a breaststroker is full of it.

1:02.5 a reasonable standard: Ok

Can’t meet it because there’re a breaststroke: Not full of it at all. Just say you don’t know any breaststroke specialists.

I’d gladly give you names of 5 kids I can personally name that fall under this criteria. But I’m not calling kids out. Hell, in 1 minute of research I came up with five 13-14 girls that made NVSL all stars in breaststroke that were not in the top 100 in freestyle, and aren’t sniffing 1:02.

50s without blocks in summer league is not relevant here, especially since they are competing with 15-18 for spots. I would say a specialist should be under 1:16 for breast. PVS girls I saw right at that standard are all under 1:02 in free. If one isn't, well she might have to wait until sophomore year to join a varsity team.

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Anonymous wrote:Have a swimmer on a HS team and she is saying that no one makes it who doesn't have at least a 1:10 in 100 free (women's). Not sure how accurate that is.

For my kid's school it's 1:02. And yes, there will be cuts to get down to 30 girls, and yes some kids who swim club will be cut.

1:02? Is this a local school - that seems very fast.

And a really stupid metric for someone who is, say, a breast specialist

I do not know any breast specialists who are not also well under a minute in the 100 free. If they can't hit that, it's an excuse, not a specialty. 55 seconds, sure maybe not reasonable, but a minute two?

I can think of a bunch. We’re talking about 13 and 14-year-old girls.

Actually, we're talking about 14 to 18 year old girls. And as a specific example, all the winter classic B finalists in open 100 breast and the 14 year olds in 13-14 tonight have a 100 free under a minute. All the "specialists" should be making the B final.

You’re comparing winter classic finalists with kids fighting to make the bottom of a bloated high school team roster. Apples and hand grenades.

I'm saying that 1:02.50 is a perfectly reasonable standard for 100 freestyle to keep the team from getting too bloated, and someone saying they can't meet that standard because they're a breaststroker is full of it.

1:02.5 a reasonable standard: Ok

Can’t meet it because there’re a breaststroke: Not full of it at all. Just say you don’t know any breaststroke specialists.

I’d gladly give you names of 5 kids I can personally name that fall under this criteria. But I’m not calling kids out. Hell, in 1 minute of research I came up with five 13-14 girls that made NVSL all stars in breaststroke that were not in the top 100 in freestyle, and aren’t sniffing 1:02.

50s without blocks in summer league is not relevant here, especially since they are competing with 15-18 for spots. I would say a specialist should be under 1:16 for breast. PVS girls I saw right at that standard are all under 1:02 in free. If one isn't, well she might have to wait until sophomore year to join a varsity team.

+1, can the NVSL summer swim people go away for at least another few months? Summer swim doesn’t mean anything and isn’t a valid comparison point, it’s 50 SCM races with no blocks, no touchpads, outdoors, etc. Specialist is also relative, your best stroke may be breaststroke but if you're under the A time standard I wouldn’t necessarily say you’re a “specialist”. When I think specialist I think of the swimmer who is at least champs level in a stroke but is nowhere close to that level in any other event. The higher level swimmer you are talking about, the more rare that is.

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I was curious about cuts and found this for McLean High School - 1.03 for 100 free but has a bunch of other cuts as well

https://www.theswimfarm.com/making-the-team

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Anonymous wrote:I was curious about cuts and found this for McLean High School - 1.03 for 100 free but has a bunch of other cuts as well

https://www.theswimfarm.com/making-the-team

These are quite reasonable, even generous. Nice to see the example.