Karla Silvestre joins Julie Yang in jumping ship from the BOE in favor of County Council

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I think I know what Silvestre is trying to do…

i know the right man who will take this coverup.

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Anonymous wrote:I think I know what Silvestre is trying to do…

i know the right man who will take this coverup.

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Anonymous wrote:Most boards are volunteer positions that get stipends. The county council is not a board.

Soooo...you are in the "we shouldn't complain, because, after all, they are only a board, not full time or anything" camp?

They have full time jobs and the county is paying one good money. They knew it was basically a volunteer job and choose to do it. Don’t like the pay, don’t go for it.

Soooo...you are in the "I don't want to pay for what I expect, but I'll keep complaining, anyway" camp?

Or, maybe, the "what I really want is for my idle, independently wealthy associates to be elected in numbers great enough to control the board, so I don't want to attract the competent opposition that might be drawn to run for BOE if reasonable compensation were to be in play for the time needed to do the job well" camp?

Who is competent who would run if paid more? Money is not the issue.

You don't think that among the million MoCo residents, we could find 7 smart, strong people who care about education and are willing to hold Central Office accountable to improving the school system for our kids? Really?

It’s an impossible position. If we could, don’t you think we would have already?

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Anonymous wrote:Most boards are volunteer positions that get stipends. The county council is not a board.

Soooo...you are in the "we shouldn't complain, because, after all, they are only a board, not full time or anything" camp?

They have full time jobs and the county is paying one good money. They knew it was basically a volunteer job and choose to do it. Don’t like the pay, don’t go for it.

Soooo...you are in the "I don't want to pay for what I expect, but I'll keep complaining, anyway" camp?

Or, maybe, the "what I really want is for my idle, independently wealthy associates to be elected in numbers great enough to control the board, so I don't want to attract the competent opposition that might be drawn to run for BOE if reasonable compensation were to be in play for the time needed to do the job well" camp?

Who is competent who would run if paid more? Money is not the issue.

Why didn't I think of that?! Nobody really cares about money. That's why nobody gets upset when taxes go up! It certainly can't be used to do anything like, say, incentivise dedicating time to the common good when, if not reasonably compensated, that time alternately might be spent providing for one's family.

(Of course, the way we've treated the dollar over the past 50 years, it's not like it should be considered a store of value...)

MCPS screams poverty. Thus would be at least another million. No.

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Anonymous wrote:Most boards are volunteer positions that get stipends. The county council is not a board.

Soooo...you are in the "we shouldn't complain, because, after all, they are only a board, not full time or anything" camp?

They have full time jobs and the county is paying one good money. They knew it was basically a volunteer job and choose to do it. Don’t like the pay, don’t go for it.

Soooo...you are in the "I don't want to pay for what I expect, but I'll keep complaining, anyway" camp?

Or, maybe, the "what I really want is for my idle, independently wealthy associates to be elected in numbers great enough to control the board, so I don't want to attract the competent opposition that might be drawn to run for BOE if reasonable compensation were to be in play for the time needed to do the job well" camp?

Who is competent who would run if paid more? Money is not the issue.

This is a ridiculous argument. Are you seriously a list of people who are saying they would run if the compensation was increased before you would support the initiative?

Money and time is absolutely a huge barrier for why many school board races are not competitive.

No, it’s not. Money is not the reason why.

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Anonymous wrote:Most boards are volunteer positions that get stipends. The county council is not a board.

Soooo...you are in the "we shouldn't complain, because, after all, they are only a board, not full time or anything" camp?

They have full time jobs and the county is paying one good money. They knew it was basically a volunteer job and choose to do it. Don’t like the pay, don’t go for it.

Soooo...you are in the "I don't want to pay for what I expect, but I'll keep complaining, anyway" camp?

Or, maybe, the "what I really want is for my idle, independently wealthy associates to be elected in numbers great enough to control the board, so I don't want to attract the competent opposition that might be drawn to run for BOE if reasonable compensation were to be in play for the time needed to do the job well" camp?

Who is competent who would run if paid more? Money is not the issue.

You don't think that among the million MoCo residents, we could find 7 smart, strong people who care about education and are willing to hold Central Office accountable to improving the school system for our kids? Really?

It’s an impossible position. If we could, don’t you think we would have already?

The question was about who would run if they were paid more.

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Anonymous wrote:Most boards are volunteer positions that get stipends. The county council is not a board.

Soooo...you are in the "we shouldn't complain, because, after all, they are only a board, not full time or anything" camp?

They have full time jobs and the county is paying one good money. They knew it was basically a volunteer job and choose to do it. Don’t like the pay, don’t go for it.

Soooo...you are in the "I don't want to pay for what I expect, but I'll keep complaining, anyway" camp?

Or, maybe, the "what I really want is for my idle, independently wealthy associates to be elected in numbers great enough to control the board, so I don't want to attract the competent opposition that might be drawn to run for BOE if reasonable compensation were to be in play for the time needed to do the job well" camp?

Who is competent who would run if paid more? Money is not the issue.

Why didn't I think of that?! Nobody really cares about money. That's why nobody gets upset when taxes go up! It certainly can't be used to do anything like, say, incentivise dedicating time to the common good when, if not reasonably compensated, that time alternately might be spent providing for one's family.

(Of course, the way we've treated the dollar over the past 50 years, it's not like it should be considered a store of value...)

MCPS screams poverty. Thus would be at least another million. No.

Soooo...money does matter? Gee, here we thought you were saying that money was not the issue.

Oh, wait, that is what was said! I see, your money matters, but not someone else's money. Riiiiighhhht...

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Anonymous wrote:Most boards are volunteer positions that get stipends. The county council is not a board.

Soooo...you are in the "we shouldn't complain, because, after all, they are only a board, not full time or anything" camp?

They have full time jobs and the county is paying one good money. They knew it was basically a volunteer job and choose to do it. Don’t like the pay, don’t go for it.

Soooo...you are in the "I don't want to pay for what I expect, but I'll keep complaining, anyway" camp?

Or, maybe, the "what I really want is for my idle, independently wealthy associates to be elected in numbers great enough to control the board, so I don't want to attract the competent opposition that might be drawn to run for BOE if reasonable compensation were to be in play for the time needed to do the job well" camp?

Who is competent who would run if paid more? Money is not the issue.

Why didn't I think of that?! Nobody really cares about money. That's why nobody gets upset when taxes go up! It certainly can't be used to do anything like, say, incentivise dedicating time to the common good when, if not reasonably compensated, that time alternately might be spent providing for one's family.

(Of course, the way we've treated the dollar over the past 50 years, it's not like it should be considered a store of value...)

MCPS screams poverty. Thus would be at least another million. No.

Soooo...money does matter? Gee, here we thought you were saying that money was not the issue.

Oh, wait, that is what was said! I see, your money matters, but not someone else's money. Riiiiighhhht...

If the current BOE members were more fiscally responsible we might have the money to pay them. They sit in their plush offices while staff and students go without and face daily issues like mold, violence, ceilings falling down, lack of supplies, locked bathrooms…..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most boards are volunteer positions that get stipends. The county council is not a board.

Soooo...you are in the "we shouldn't complain, because, after all, they are only a board, not full time or anything" camp?

They have full time jobs and the county is paying one good money. They knew it was basically a volunteer job and choose to do it. Don’t like the pay, don’t go for it.

Soooo...you are in the "I don't want to pay for what I expect, but I'll keep complaining, anyway" camp?

Or, maybe, the "what I really want is for my idle, independently wealthy associates to be elected in numbers great enough to control the board, so I don't want to attract the competent opposition that might be drawn to run for BOE if reasonable compensation were to be in play for the time needed to do the job well" camp?

Who is competent who would run if paid more? Money is not the issue.

You don't think that among the million MoCo residents, we could find 7 smart, strong people who care about education and are willing to hold Central Office accountable to improving the school system for our kids? Really?

It’s an impossible position. If we could, don’t you think we would have already?

No, because paying less than minimum wage for Board positions excludes the majority of the candidate pool right off the bat (and results in many of the people who do run having multiple jobs, meaning they don't have the time free to actually do the Board of Ed job right.) The candidates we have gotten under the current system tell us almost nothing about what kinds of candidates we would get if the BOE positions were treated as important jobs in our county and paid accordingly, so that talented people in the county were able and willing to quit their regular jobs to take on a Board position.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most boards are volunteer positions that get stipends. The county council is not a board.

Soooo...you are in the "we shouldn't complain, because, after all, they are only a board, not full time or anything" camp?

They have full time jobs and the county is paying one good money. They knew it was basically a volunteer job and choose to do it. Don’t like the pay, don’t go for it.

Soooo...you are in the "I don't want to pay for what I expect, but I'll keep complaining, anyway" camp?

Or, maybe, the "what I really want is for my idle, independently wealthy associates to be elected in numbers great enough to control the board, so I don't want to attract the competent opposition that might be drawn to run for BOE if reasonable compensation were to be in play for the time needed to do the job well" camp?

Who is competent who would run if paid more? Money is not the issue.

Why didn't I think of that?! Nobody really cares about money. That's why nobody gets upset when taxes go up! It certainly can't be used to do anything like, say, incentivise dedicating time to the common good when, if not reasonably compensated, that time alternately might be spent providing for one's family.

(Of course, the way we've treated the dollar over the past 50 years, it's not like it should be considered a store of value...)

MCPS screams poverty. Thus would be at least another million. No.

Soooo...money does matter? Gee, here we thought you were saying that money was not the issue.

Oh, wait, that is what was said! I see, your money matters, but not someone else's money. Riiiiighhhht...

If the current BOE members were more fiscally responsible we might have the money to pay them. They sit in their plush offices while staff and students go without and face daily issues like mold, violence, ceilings falling down, lack of supplies, locked bathrooms…..

Soooo...you want to get more qualified candidates for the BOE to get better results. Now how could we attract such candidates, I wonder?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most boards are volunteer positions that get stipends. The county council is not a board.

Soooo...you are in the "we shouldn't complain, because, after all, they are only a board, not full time or anything" camp?

They have full time jobs and the county is paying one good money. They knew it was basically a volunteer job and choose to do it. Don’t like the pay, don’t go for it.

Soooo...you are in the "I don't want to pay for what I expect, but I'll keep complaining, anyway" camp?

Or, maybe, the "what I really want is for my idle, independently wealthy associates to be elected in numbers great enough to control the board, so I don't want to attract the competent opposition that might be drawn to run for BOE if reasonable compensation were to be in play for the time needed to do the job well" camp?

Who is competent who would run if paid more? Money is not the issue.

Why didn't I think of that?! Nobody really cares about money. That's why nobody gets upset when taxes go up! It certainly can't be used to do anything like, say, incentivise dedicating time to the common good when, if not reasonably compensated, that time alternately might be spent providing for one's family.

(Of course, the way we've treated the dollar over the past 50 years, it's not like it should be considered a store of value...)

MCPS screams poverty. Thus would be at least another million. No.

Soooo...money does matter? Gee, here we thought you were saying that money was not the issue.

Oh, wait, that is what was said! I see, your money matters, but not someone else's money. Riiiiighhhht...

If the current BOE members were more fiscally responsible we might have the money to pay them. They sit in their plush offices while staff and students go without and face daily issues like mold, violence, ceilings falling down, lack of supplies, locked bathrooms…..

Soooo...you want to get more qualified candidates for the BOE to get better results. Now how could we attract such candidates, I wonder?

County pays silvers a ton and she mucked up MCPS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most boards are volunteer positions that get stipends. The county council is not a board.

Soooo...you are in the "we shouldn't complain, because, after all, they are only a board, not full time or anything" camp?

They have full time jobs and the county is paying one good money. They knew it was basically a volunteer job and choose to do it. Don’t like the pay, don’t go for it.

Soooo...you are in the "I don't want to pay for what I expect, but I'll keep complaining, anyway" camp?

Or, maybe, the "what I really want is for my idle, independently wealthy associates to be elected in numbers great enough to control the board, so I don't want to attract the competent opposition that might be drawn to run for BOE if reasonable compensation were to be in play for the time needed to do the job well" camp?

Who is competent who would run if paid more? Money is not the issue.

You don't think that among the million MoCo residents, we could find 7 smart, strong people who care about education and are willing to hold Central Office accountable to improving the school system for our kids? Really?

It’s an impossible position. If we could, don’t you think we would have already?

No, because paying less than minimum wage for Board positions excludes the majority of the candidate pool right off the bat (and results in many of the people who do run having multiple jobs, meaning they don't have the time free to actually do the Board of Ed job right.) The candidates we have gotten under the current system tell us almost nothing about what kinds of candidates we would get if the BOE positions were treated as important jobs in our county and paid accordingly, so that talented people in the county were able and willing to quit their regular jobs to take on a Board position.

It’s not @ full time job and boards get a stipend, not pay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most boards are volunteer positions that get stipends. The county council is not a board.

Soooo...you are in the "we shouldn't complain, because, after all, they are only a board, not full time or anything" camp?

They have full time jobs and the county is paying one good money. They knew it was basically a volunteer job and choose to do it. Don’t like the pay, don’t go for it.

Soooo...you are in the "I don't want to pay for what I expect, but I'll keep complaining, anyway" camp?

Or, maybe, the "what I really want is for my idle, independently wealthy associates to be elected in numbers great enough to control the board, so I don't want to attract the competent opposition that might be drawn to run for BOE if reasonable compensation were to be in play for the time needed to do the job well" camp?

Who is competent who would run if paid more? Money is not the issue.

You don't think that among the million MoCo residents, we could find 7 smart, strong people who care about education and are willing to hold Central Office accountable to improving the school system for our kids? Really?

It’s an impossible position. If we could, don’t you think we would have already?

No, because paying less than minimum wage for Board positions excludes the majority of the candidate pool right off the bat (and results in many of the people who do run having multiple jobs, meaning they don't have the time free to actually do the Board of Ed job right.) The candidates we have gotten under the current system tell us almost nothing about what kinds of candidates we would get if the BOE positions were treated as important jobs in our county and paid accordingly, so that talented people in the county were able and willing to quit their regular jobs to take on a Board position.

It’s not @ full time job and boards get a stipend, not pay.

We are aware it's not a full-time job currently. We are arguing it should be. Can you read?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most boards are volunteer positions that get stipends. The county council is not a board.

Soooo...you are in the "we shouldn't complain, because, after all, they are only a board, not full time or anything" camp?

They have full time jobs and the county is paying one good money. They knew it was basically a volunteer job and choose to do it. Don’t like the pay, don’t go for it.

Soooo...you are in the "I don't want to pay for what I expect, but I'll keep complaining, anyway" camp?

Or, maybe, the "what I really want is for my idle, independently wealthy associates to be elected in numbers great enough to control the board, so I don't want to attract the competent opposition that might be drawn to run for BOE if reasonable compensation were to be in play for the time needed to do the job well" camp?

Who is competent who would run if paid more? Money is not the issue.

Why didn't I think of that?! Nobody really cares about money. That's why nobody gets upset when taxes go up! It certainly can't be used to do anything like, say, incentivise dedicating time to the common good when, if not reasonably compensated, that time alternately might be spent providing for one's family.

(Of course, the way we've treated the dollar over the past 50 years, it's not like it should be considered a store of value...)

MCPS screams poverty. Thus would be at least another million. No.

Soooo...money does matter? Gee, here we thought you were saying that money was not the issue.

Oh, wait, that is what was said! I see, your money matters, but not someone else's money. Riiiiighhhht...

If the current BOE members were more fiscally responsible we might have the money to pay them. They sit in their plush offices while staff and students go without and face daily issues like mold, violence, ceilings falling down, lack of supplies, locked bathrooms…..

Soooo...you want to get more qualified candidates for the BOE to get better results. Now how could we attract such candidates, I wonder?

County pays silvers a ton and she mucked up MCPS.

Soooo...you want someone better. You should consider attracting better candidates by making the job reasonably attractive.

You know, like, maybe, having compensation set at levels that would not represent a considerable underpayment for the time you wish them to devote to oversight versus that which they would garner in other pursuits?

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most boards are volunteer positions that get stipends. The county council is not a board.

Soooo...you are in the "we shouldn't complain, because, after all, they are only a board, not full time or anything" camp?

They have full time jobs and the county is paying one good money. They knew it was basically a volunteer job and choose to do it. Don’t like the pay, don’t go for it.

Soooo...you are in the "I don't want to pay for what I expect, but I'll keep complaining, anyway" camp?

Or, maybe, the "what I really want is for my idle, independently wealthy associates to be elected in numbers great enough to control the board, so I don't want to attract the competent opposition that might be drawn to run for BOE if reasonable compensation were to be in play for the time needed to do the job well" camp?

Who is competent who would run if paid more? Money is not the issue.

You have no evidence for your opinion. There is ample research that higher compensation for board members improves corporate governance by attracting talent and increasing effort towards the role .