Fork - who is waiting until Thursday to decide?

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Anonymous wrote:I know at least 5 pple -myself included- in a fed OGC who are taking the "Fork" offer. I will get "VERA" as well. The option is to go in 5 days/ week, as well as potentially be converted to schedule F and RIF'd with no severance, process, etc.

Our office in a couple of the practice areas is going to completely collapse.

I call BS. 5 lawyers falling for this? No way.

My DH and I are both lawyers and we’re both taking it. We were planning to quit anyway, so taking this offer is just taking the chance that we’ll get something instead of the nothing we’d get when one normally resigns.

What exactly are lawyers going to do in a post law country? Everything can be solved by AI and the tech sector.

Not really. As even OPM knows since they just exempted lawyers from the probationary termination reporting.

We aren’t post law yet. The administration needs lawyers to give a veneer of legality to what they’re doing, and a lot of lawyers will be working on the court challenges for years to come.

Were they excluded because they’re going to be reclassified to have even fewer rights than a probationary employee and then mass fired?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m praying for a judge to grant the TRO the unions filed for today. We need time to resolve the outstanding legal questions in the deferred resignation agreement.

So you want to ruin everyone because you couldn't get a windfall from the taxpayers?

No. I want to make sure I get a windfall from the taxpayers.

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I am a lawyer.

You are a moron if you take the offer.

Also, the offer will likely be temporarily enjoined tomorrow by a federal judge, and at minimum the deadline will be delayed. TRO hearing is tomorrow afternoon.

Hold the line!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you’re eligible for VERA, that has nothing to do with FORK.

Here is the OPM VERA page:

https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/workforce-restructuring/voluntary-early-retirement-authority/

Here is the RIF page:

https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/workforce-restructuring/reductions-in-force/

Michelle Singletary’s take on FORK: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/federal-workers-should-tell-trump-no-deal-on-resignation-offer/ar-AA1y8OQI?ocid=TobArticle

But DH's agency is saying VERA was approved for their agency but is contingent on taking fork. They are told VERA is only an option for fork. And we have to decide by tomorrow.

Then your agency hasn’t really gotten VERA authority.

Here’s why they need things done soon. They need you in admin status for ten days prior to March 14 when the government will shut down. At that point you will have run out of allowable admin leave and will be resigned because you never signed anything other than you quit. The payback law doesn’t apply to non-employees. When a deal is finally struck, the remainder of the year appropriations will be for employees on the books. Agencies don’t get funding per person, they get a pile of funding for all employee services. So there won’t be money to pay you. Even if your career agency likes you and feels bad, they need it to pay for the people they still have and won’t be authorized for a payout without a special appropriation. This is the scam.

This theory makes a lot of sense.

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Nobody knows for sure what will happen or how any of this will play out. But if I had to bet, I'd bet on this.

+3. Look how well Twitters Fork worked for that workforce. You sign away civil service protections, you are in the same boat as the Twitter folks who got stiffed.

At least the Twitter people who were stiffed had arbitration and those who went to arbitration are winning full severance.

People who take DRP sign away ALL their rights and have absolutely no recourse if Elmo screws them.

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Anonymous wrote:If you’re eligible for VERA, that has nothing to do with FORK.

Here is the OPM VERA page:

https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/workforce-restructuring/voluntary-early-retirement-authority/

Here is the RIF page:

https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/workforce-restructuring/reductions-in-force/

Michelle Singletary’s take on FORK: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/federal-workers-should-tell-trump-no-deal-on-resignation-offer/ar-AA1y8OQI?ocid=TobArticle

But DH's agency is saying VERA was approved for their agency but is contingent on taking fork. They are told VERA is only an option for fork. And we have to decide by tomorrow.

Then your agency hasn’t really gotten VERA authority.

Here’s why they need things done soon. They need you in admin status for ten days prior to March 14 when the government will shut down. At that point you will have run out of allowable admin leave and will be resigned because you never signed anything other than you quit. The payback law doesn’t apply to non-employees. When a deal is finally struck, the remainder of the year appropriations will be for employees on the books. Agencies don’t get funding per person, they get a pile of funding for all employee services. So there won’t be money to pay you. Even if your career agency likes you and feels bad, they need it to pay for the people they still have and won’t be authorized for a payout without a special appropriation. This is the scam.

This theory makes a lot of sense.

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Nobody knows for sure what will happen or how any of this will play out. But if I had to bet, I'd bet on this.

+3. Look how well Twitters Fork worked for that workforce. You sign away civil service protections, you are in the same boat as the Twitter folks who got stiffed.

At least the Twitter people who were stiffed had arbitration and those who went to arbitration are winning full severance.

People who take DRP sign away ALL their rights and have absolutely no recourse if Elmo screws them.

Then who in their right minds is agreeing to this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know people with 20+ years in but not 25 who would probably take it if Vera time was lowered to 20. It’s sad it’s people who all joined after 9/11 to help their nation and now may get fired and lose pension.

they don't *lose* their pension, it's just deferred until they turn 62. or rejoin the gov later and then retire...

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Hold the line.

Meeting at 1pm tomorrow. Let President Musk and his cronies figure out a new plan for firing people. I’m sure they will but make it difficult.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I know at least 5 pple -myself included- in a fed OGC who are taking the "Fork" offer. I will get "VERA" as well. The option is to go in 5 days/ week, as well as potentially be converted to schedule F and RIF'd with no severance, process, etc.

Our office in a couple of the practice areas is going to completely collapse.

I call BS. 5 lawyers falling for this? No way.

My DH and I are both lawyers and we’re both taking it. We were planning to quit anyway, so taking this offer is just taking the chance that we’ll get something instead of the nothing we’d get when one normally resigns.

Oh bullshit, like a two fed household is like you know what is better than this (*gesticulates around*), a two unemployment household.

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Anonymous wrote:I know at least 5 pple -myself included- in a fed OGC who are taking the "Fork" offer. I will get "VERA" as well. The option is to go in 5 days/ week, as well as potentially be converted to schedule F and RIF'd with no severance, process, etc.

Our office in a couple of the practice areas is going to completely collapse.

I call BS. 5 lawyers falling for this? No way.

My DH and I are both lawyers and we’re both taking it. We were planning to quit anyway, so taking this offer is just taking the chance that we’ll get something instead of the nothing we’d get when one normally resigns.

Oh bullshit, like a two fed household is like you know what is better than this (*gesticulates around*), a two unemployment household.

let me rephrase, not just a two fed household, a two fed lawyer household. We are many things but risk takers isn’t it. musk and co just want to gum up the numbers so they can claim this “program” wasn’t an enormous waste of time and resources with no upside.

[Anonymous]

Is signing the deferred resignation offer somehow worse than just normally resigning? At this point, I just want to get out of the federal government. The chance that I’ll get admin leave is nice, but I don’t care if I don’t get it. Should I sign it? Or would I actually be worse off signing this agreement than if I just resigned normally?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is signing the deferred resignation offer somehow worse than just normally resigning? At this point, I just want to get out of the federal government. The chance that I’ll get admin leave is nice, but I don’t care if I don’t get it. Should I sign it? Or would I actually be worse off signing this agreement than if I just resigned normally?

How many jobs do you think are out there in private sector world for your skill set right now? Don’t count on anything related to government because the contractors will also be very cautious right now. If you do not have another guaranteed stream of income right now, follow your own personal job plan as if this offer was not on the table. Quit when you have your personal situation lined up.

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Anonymous wrote:Is signing the deferred resignation offer somehow worse than just normally resigning? At this point, I just want to get out of the federal government. The chance that I’ll get admin leave is nice, but I don’t care if I don’t get it. Should I sign it? Or would I actually be worse off signing this agreement than if I just resigned normally?

How many jobs do you think are out there in private sector world for your skill set right now? Don’t count on anything related to government because the contractors will also be very cautious right now. If you do not have another guaranteed stream of income right now, follow your own personal job plan as if this offer was not on the table. Quit when you have your personal situation lined up.

My DH is in the process of lining up a private sector job, and we are fortunate enough to have quite a bit of cash saved up such that we could live for a few months with no income coming in. So it’s just a matter of whether this agreement is somehow even worse than a normal resignation. With a normal resignation, I’d know that I have a month of health insurance, for example. With this agreement, could the health insurance end by March 6th, or maybe there’s no health insurance at all?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is signing the deferred resignation offer somehow worse than just normally resigning? At this point, I just want to get out of the federal government. The chance that I’ll get admin leave is nice, but I don’t care if I don’t get it. Should I sign it? Or would I actually be worse off signing this agreement than if I just resigned normally?

My exact thoughts. Resigning anyways and I am also probationary. Tempted to fork, but wondering if I can hurt myself somehow by doing it. Don’t care if I don’t get paid at the end, I am leaving anyways.

[Anonymous]

If unions stop this they will just move forward to the next phase. Mass firing. You dummies.

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Anonymous wrote:Hold the line.

Meeting at 1pm tomorrow. Let President Musk and his cronies figure out a new plan for firing people. I’m sure they will but make it difficult.

What mtg is that?