Enough is enough with the redshirting!

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Anonymous wrote:There are two ten year olds in my child’s third grade class. When will a school draw a line with this?


So they'd have Oct-Dec birthday in 2014? That's 11-9 months older than the oldest regular 3rd grader. My son had one in his class, the kid was fine except a little better at sports/leadership esp during recess, which was the daily social life of DS. But I think if they misbehave, they'd misbehave even without being redshirted.


Yes. This is OP. We expected summer redshirts but we did not expect this. It’s gotten so out of hand.


Why is it “getting” out of hand? It’s 3rd grade now. Haven’t the peers stayed the same since kindergarten? Either change schools or make the best of it. Are you also the poster constantly agitating about the basketball team that is by grade and is a constant source of frustration for you?


We have room for everyone on our schools sports team because it’s no cut but it is by grade so the oldest kids tend to be best. Which is fine, just annoying. They definitely let everyone know they are better too. It’s all fine, I would just describe it as annoying since many people use it as a tool to have an advantage in team sports and don’t really have a reason.


Here’s a hot take on the sports advantage issue: if having a few older kids on the team makes a big difference to whether or not your kid plays, your kid isn’t that good anyway, so who cares?


It’s not a few, it’s half. I said that in an earliest post. Half are a year older so the younger kid has to be better than kids older to play. Your comment is rude and it’s actually just wrong.


This whole thread is rude and reeks of sour grapes. Bunch of bored moms acting like their kids’ elementary schools are some sort of Battle Royale.

Some kids are naturally smarter, is that fair to the dumber kids? Some kids are more athletic, is that fair to the awkward kids? Some kids are really good looking, is that fair to the non-looker kids?

Life isn’t fair. Other families decisions about when to send their kid to school doesn’t *actually* affect your kid. You’re just ridiculously competitive.

(And no, none of my kids were redshirted or otherwise held back.)


We aren’t talking about a natural advantage. We are talking about an intentional manipulation. How can you pretend that class rankings are not affected by this? Many of us have personal experience. You can’t gaslight us that easily.


This is why I said you’re just competitive but trying to gaslight the rest of us that you have a real concern. Class rankings don’t affect your kid’s education. And I know your follow-up will be something along the lines of college admissions, but again, you’re just after prestige and bragging rights.


Yes it certainly does affect education because as was described above, GT programs are heavily weighted in favor of red shirted kids. Eff that.


I wasn’t competitive which is why we didn’t redshirt. But now that I see what is going on I’ll be damned if I just accept it with a smile. If everyone else is going to be this way then I will have to adjust and that is nit a good thing.




Yes, exactly. I think you have to understand the irony in someone saying someone is competitive that sent their kid on time. They went in knowing their kid was at a disadvantage. The people who redshirted are more competitive because they wanted to ensure their kid had an academic or athletic advantage which is fine. But call a spade a spade and be upfront that it is a nice advantage.
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Anonymous wrote:There are two ten year olds in my child’s third grade class. When will a school draw a line with this?


So they'd have Oct-Dec birthday in 2014? That's 11-9 months older than the oldest regular 3rd grader. My son had one in his class, the kid was fine except a little better at sports/leadership esp during recess, which was the daily social life of DS. But I think if they misbehave, they'd misbehave even without being redshirted.


Yes. This is OP. We expected summer redshirts but we did not expect this. It’s gotten so out of hand.


Why is it “getting” out of hand? It’s 3rd grade now. Haven’t the peers stayed the same since kindergarten? Either change schools or make the best of it. Are you also the poster constantly agitating about the basketball team that is by grade and is a constant source of frustration for you?


We have room for everyone on our schools sports team because it’s no cut but it is by grade so the oldest kids tend to be best. Which is fine, just annoying. They definitely let everyone know they are better too. It’s all fine, I would just describe it as annoying since many people use it as a tool to have an advantage in team sports and don’t really have a reason.


Here’s a hot take on the sports advantage issue: if having a few older kids on the team makes a big difference to whether or not your kid plays, your kid isn’t that good anyway, so who cares?


It’s not a few, it’s half. I said that in an earliest post. Half are a year older so the younger kid has to be better than kids older to play. Your comment is rude and it’s actually just wrong.


This whole thread is rude and reeks of sour grapes. Bunch of bored moms acting like their kids’ elementary schools are some sort of Battle Royale.

Some kids are naturally smarter, is that fair to the dumber kids? Some kids are more athletic, is that fair to the awkward kids? Some kids are really good looking, is that fair to the non-looker kids?

Life isn’t fair. Other families decisions about when to send their kid to school doesn’t *actually* affect your kid. You’re just ridiculously competitive.

(And no, none of my kids were redshirted or otherwise held back.)


We aren’t talking about a natural advantage. We are talking about an intentional manipulation. How can you pretend that class rankings are not affected by this? Many of us have personal experience. You can’t gaslight us that easily.


This is why I said you’re just competitive but trying to gaslight the rest of us that you have a real concern. Class rankings don’t affect your kid’s education. And I know your follow-up will be something along the lines of college admissions, but again, you’re just after prestige and bragging rights.


Yes it certainly does affect education because as was described above, GT programs are heavily weighted in favor of red shirted kids. Eff that.


I wasn’t competitive which is why we didn’t redshirt. But now that I see what is going on I’ll be damned if I just accept it with a smile. If everyone else is going to be this way then I will have to adjust and that is nit a good thing.




Well yes you are going to have to adjust because redshirting is allowed.
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Anonymous wrote:There are two ten year olds in my child’s third grade class. When will a school draw a line with this?


So they'd have Oct-Dec birthday in 2014? That's 11-9 months older than the oldest regular 3rd grader. My son had one in his class, the kid was fine except a little better at sports/leadership esp during recess, which was the daily social life of DS. But I think if they misbehave, they'd misbehave even without being redshirted.


Yes. This is OP. We expected summer redshirts but we did not expect this. It’s gotten so out of hand.


Why is it “getting” out of hand? It’s 3rd grade now. Haven’t the peers stayed the same since kindergarten? Either change schools or make the best of it. Are you also the poster constantly agitating about the basketball team that is by grade and is a constant source of frustration for you?


We have room for everyone on our schools sports team because it’s no cut but it is by grade so the oldest kids tend to be best. Which is fine, just annoying. They definitely let everyone know they are better too. It’s all fine, I would just describe it as annoying since many people use it as a tool to have an advantage in team sports and don’t really have a reason.


Here’s a hot take on the sports advantage issue: if having a few older kids on the team makes a big difference to whether or not your kid plays, your kid isn’t that good anyway, so who cares?


It’s not a few, it’s half. I said that in an earliest post. Half are a year older so the younger kid has to be better than kids older to play. Your comment is rude and it’s actually just wrong.


This whole thread is rude and reeks of sour grapes. Bunch of bored moms acting like their kids’ elementary schools are some sort of Battle Royale.

Some kids are naturally smarter, is that fair to the dumber kids? Some kids are more athletic, is that fair to the awkward kids? Some kids are really good looking, is that fair to the non-looker kids?

Life isn’t fair. Other families decisions about when to send their kid to school doesn’t *actually* affect your kid. You’re just ridiculously competitive.

(And no, none of my kids were redshirted or otherwise held back.)


We aren’t talking about a natural advantage. We are talking about an intentional manipulation. How can you pretend that class rankings are not affected by this? Many of us have personal experience. You can’t gaslight us that easily.


This is why I said you’re just competitive but trying to gaslight the rest of us that you have a real concern. Class rankings don’t affect your kid’s education. And I know your follow-up will be something along the lines of college admissions, but again, you’re just after prestige and bragging rights.


Class rankings do! There are many public universities where the top 10 percent get autoadmits.


Show me a study that shows that redshirted kids are more likely to make the top ten percent.[/https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-oldest-kids-in-the-class-may-get-an-edge-in-college-admissions-https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-oldest-kids-in-the-class-may-get-an-edge-in-college-admissions-1503052268
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Anonymous wrote:There are two ten year olds in my child’s third grade class. When will a school draw a line with this?


So they'd have Oct-Dec birthday in 2014? That's 11-9 months older than the oldest regular 3rd grader. My son had one in his class, the kid was fine except a little better at sports/leadership esp during recess, which was the daily social life of DS. But I think if they misbehave, they'd misbehave even without being redshirted.


Yes. This is OP. We expected summer redshirts but we did not expect this. It’s gotten so out of hand.


Why is it “getting” out of hand? It’s 3rd grade now. Haven’t the peers stayed the same since kindergarten? Either change schools or make the best of it. Are you also the poster constantly agitating about the basketball team that is by grade and is a constant source of frustration for you?


We have room for everyone on our schools sports team because it’s no cut but it is by grade so the oldest kids tend to be best. Which is fine, just annoying. They definitely let everyone know they are better too. It’s all fine, I would just describe it as annoying since many people use it as a tool to have an advantage in team sports and don’t really have a reason.


Here’s a hot take on the sports advantage issue: if having a few older kids on the team makes a big difference to whether or not your kid plays, your kid isn’t that good anyway, so who cares?


It’s not a few, it’s half. I said that in an earliest post. Half are a year older so the younger kid has to be better than kids older to play. Your comment is rude and it’s actually just wrong.


This whole thread is rude and reeks of sour grapes. Bunch of bored moms acting like their kids’ elementary schools are some sort of Battle Royale.

Some kids are naturally smarter, is that fair to the dumber kids? Some kids are more athletic, is that fair to the awkward kids? Some kids are really good looking, is that fair to the non-looker kids?

Life isn’t fair. Other families decisions about when to send their kid to school doesn’t *actually* affect your kid. You’re just ridiculously competitive.

(And no, none of my kids were redshirted or otherwise held back.)


We aren’t talking about a natural advantage. We are talking about an intentional manipulation. How can you pretend that class rankings are not affected by this? Many of us have personal experience. You can’t gaslight us that easily.


This is why I said you’re just competitive but trying to gaslight the rest of us that you have a real concern. Class rankings don’t affect your kid’s education. And I know your follow-up will be something along the lines of college admissions, but again, you’re just after prestige and bragging rights.


Yes it certainly does affect education because as was described above, GT programs are heavily weighted in favor of red shirted kids. Eff that.


I wasn’t competitive which is why we didn’t redshirt. But now that I see what is going on I’ll be damned if I just accept it with a smile. If everyone else is going to be this way then I will have to adjust and that is nit a good thing.




Yes, exactly. I think you have to understand the irony in someone saying someone is competitive that sent their kid on time. They went in knowing their kid was at a disadvantage. The people who redshirted are more competitive because they wanted to ensure their kid had an academic or athletic advantage which is fine. But call a spade a spade and be upfront that it is a nice advantage.


Your assumption that people who redshirt are more competitive is false. Some might be but I’d suggest the majority are just giving non-ready kids (whether socially immature, non diagnosed LD, non native speakers, ADHD, etc etc) who would skew younger in K another year of preschool so they are not DIS advantaged.
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That says oldest in class and doesn’t stratify by whether that’s natural or redshirting.

So no.

There is always going to be an older group in any K class and yes, that older group shows an advantage.

It doesn’t follow that those who redshirt have the same benefits or more as those naturally older kids.
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That says oldest in class and doesn’t stratify by whether that’s natural or redshirting.

So no.

There is always going to be an older group in any K class and yes, that older group shows an advantage.

It doesn’t follow that those who redshirt have the same benefits or more as those naturally older kids.


https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3586772

What are you even talking about? Oldest is the oldest, no need to differentiate.
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That says oldest in class and doesn’t stratify by whether that’s natural or redshirting.

So no.

There is always going to be an older group in any K class and yes, that older group shows an advantage.

It doesn’t follow that those who redshirt have the same benefits or more as those naturally older kids.


That is faulty logic. If older kids have an advantage then yes of course it follows that redshirt kids have an unfair advantage.
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Anonymous wrote:There are two ten year olds in my child’s third grade class. When will a school draw a line with this?


So they'd have Oct-Dec birthday in 2014? That's 11-9 months older than the oldest regular 3rd grader. My son had one in his class, the kid was fine except a little better at sports/leadership esp during recess, which was the daily social life of DS. But I think if they misbehave, they'd misbehave even without being redshirted.


Yes. This is OP. We expected summer redshirts but we did not expect this. It’s gotten so out of hand.


Why is it “getting” out of hand? It’s 3rd grade now. Haven’t the peers stayed the same since kindergarten? Either change schools or make the best of it. Are you also the poster constantly agitating about the basketball team that is by grade and is a constant source of frustration for you?


We have room for everyone on our schools sports team because it’s no cut but it is by grade so the oldest kids tend to be best. Which is fine, just annoying. They definitely let everyone know they are better too. It’s all fine, I would just describe it as annoying since many people use it as a tool to have an advantage in team sports and don’t really have a reason.


Here’s a hot take on the sports advantage issue: if having a few older kids on the team makes a big difference to whether or not your kid plays, your kid isn’t that good anyway, so who cares?


It’s not a few, it’s half. I said that in an earliest post. Half are a year older so the younger kid has to be better than kids older to play. Your comment is rude and it’s actually just wrong.


This whole thread is rude and reeks of sour grapes. Bunch of bored moms acting like their kids’ elementary schools are some sort of Battle Royale.

Some kids are naturally smarter, is that fair to the dumber kids? Some kids are more athletic, is that fair to the awkward kids? Some kids are really good looking, is that fair to the non-looker kids?

Life isn’t fair. Other families decisions about when to send their kid to school doesn’t *actually* affect your kid. You’re just ridiculously competitive.

(And no, none of my kids were redshirted or otherwise held back.)


We aren’t talking about a natural advantage. We are talking about an intentional manipulation. How can you pretend that class rankings are not affected by this? Many of us have personal experience. You can’t gaslight us that easily.


This is why I said you’re just competitive but trying to gaslight the rest of us that you have a real concern. Class rankings don’t affect your kid’s education. And I know your follow-up will be something along the lines of college admissions, but again, you’re just after prestige and bragging rights.


Yes it certainly does affect education because as was described above, GT programs are heavily weighted in favor of red shirted kids. Eff that.


I wasn’t competitive which is why we didn’t redshirt. But now that I see what is going on I’ll be damned if I just accept it with a smile. If everyone else is going to be this way then I will have to adjust and that is nit a good thing.




Yes, exactly. I think you have to understand the irony in someone saying someone is competitive that sent their kid on time. They went in knowing their kid was at a disadvantage. The people who redshirted are more competitive because they wanted to ensure their kid had an academic or athletic advantage which is fine. But call a spade a spade and be upfront that it is a nice advantage.


I would actually call that bending rules/unsportsmanlike and not "more competitive" if we are calling a spade a spade.
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Why do you care so much? There are mixed grade and ages classrooms all over the US, perhaps more often in private schools but some publics combine grades as well. It isn’t a big deal.
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Anonymous wrote:There are two ten year olds in my child’s third grade class. When will a school draw a line with this?


So they'd have Oct-Dec birthday in 2014? That's 11-9 months older than the oldest regular 3rd grader. My son had one in his class, the kid was fine except a little better at sports/leadership esp during recess, which was the daily social life of DS. But I think if they misbehave, they'd misbehave even without being redshirted.


Yes. This is OP. We expected summer redshirts but we did not expect this. It’s gotten so out of hand.


Why is it “getting” out of hand? It’s 3rd grade now. Haven’t the peers stayed the same since kindergarten? Either change schools or make the best of it. Are you also the poster constantly agitating about the basketball team that is by grade and is a constant source of frustration for you?


We have room for everyone on our schools sports team because it’s no cut but it is by grade so the oldest kids tend to be best. Which is fine, just annoying. They definitely let everyone know they are better too. It’s all fine, I would just describe it as annoying since many people use it as a tool to have an advantage in team sports and don’t really have a reason.


Here’s a hot take on the sports advantage issue: if having a few older kids on the team makes a big difference to whether or not your kid plays, your kid isn’t that good anyway, so who cares?


It’s not a few, it’s half. I said that in an earliest post. Half are a year older so the younger kid has to be better than kids older to play. Your comment is rude and it’s actually just wrong.


This whole thread is rude and reeks of sour grapes. Bunch of bored moms acting like their kids’ elementary schools are some sort of Battle Royale.

Some kids are naturally smarter, is that fair to the dumber kids? Some kids are more athletic, is that fair to the awkward kids? Some kids are really good looking, is that fair to the non-looker kids?

Life isn’t fair. Other families decisions about when to send their kid to school doesn’t *actually* affect your kid. You’re just ridiculously competitive.

(And no, none of my kids were redshirted or otherwise held back.)


It’s not sour grapes or whining about unfairness. It’s more of an awareness of how much kids who are the wrong age for a grade can affect the dynamic of the grade and the classroom.

For example, my 4th grade DD has 5+ classmates turning 11 in the next 3 months. One is a competitive swimmer but has poisoned conversations with her classmates and with other families by constantly bragging about how much faster she is (as she should be!) and about the events she does that other kids can’t do (because they are in younger age groups and can’t swim those events yet). Another has parents who are constantly complaining about the offerings not meeting his advanced academic needs, which made everyone else paranoid about the curriculum and created a ton of second-guessing of teachers and school leadership. And so on. From a developmental and social perspective, I can see that it will be harder in 5th and 6th grade before it gets easier- having 12 or 13 year olds in school social settings with 10 and 11 year olds isn’t healthy.

It doesn’t directly affect my child’s access to resources, but it certainly poisons the well.


Why is it wrong if the school okayed it?
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I didn't redshirt my kid because I didn't want to give them an advantage that would fade with time & think they didn't have to work hard on anything when they were older.
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That says oldest in class and doesn’t stratify by whether that’s natural or redshirting.

So no.

There is always going to be an older group in any K class and yes, that older group shows an advantage.

It doesn’t follow that those who redshirt have the same benefits or more as those naturally older kids.


That is faulty logic. If older kids have an advantage then yes of course it follows that redshirt kids have an unfair advantage.


Why didn’t op take advantage of redshirting? It was an option.
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Anonymous wrote:I didn't redshirt my kid because I didn't want to give them an advantage that would fade with time & think they didn't have to work hard on anything when they were older.


That’s the thing. It’s done. Let these kids be the star of third grade basketball. It won’t last and they will have a harder time later.
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That says oldest in class and doesn’t stratify by whether that’s natural or redshirting.

So no.

There is always going to be an older group in any K class and yes, that older group shows an advantage.

It doesn’t follow that those who redshirt have the same benefits or more as those naturally older kids.


That is faulty logic. If older kids have an advantage then yes of course it follows that redshirt kids have an unfair advantage.


Why didn’t op take advantage of redshirting? It was an option.


We just didn’t. We asked his prek director and teacher (same school) and she said she felt it was best to send him and he’s doing well. It’s just annoying.
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