ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is where the anonymity makes it hard to have a discussion. The person/people who constantly saying "it's not happening" have just a good of guess as anyone else, but it seems like one poster is really digging in on this with absolutely nothing to back the argument up.

It's not worth rehashing all the prior discussion, but just take it for what it's worth - the ECNL President/VP both are heavily in favor of this change. We'll see how it plays out.

Exactly.. I'm not interested in a back and forth with someone who doesn't want to believe it's happening.

I'm basing my comments on what I heard on the podcasts from the sources themselves : Bracken and Lavers.
The podcasts are publicly available for all to listen and make what they want of them.

End of discussion.

Podcasts do not say what you say above. Put it another way. There is no reason to believe it will happen. The podcasts at best show two people who think it could be a good thing. That is not a reason to believe something will happen when they do not make the rules.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is where the anonymity makes it hard to have a discussion. The person/people who constantly saying "it's not happening" have just a good of guess as anyone else, but it seems like one poster is really digging in on this with absolutely nothing to back the argument up.

It's not worth rehashing all the prior discussion, but just take it for what it's worth - the ECNL President/VP both are heavily in favor of this change. We'll see how it plays out.

Exactly.. I'm not interested in a back and forth with someone who doesn't want to believe it's happening.

I'm basing my comments on what I heard on the podcasts from the sources themselves : Bracken and Lavers.
The podcasts are publicly available for all to listen and make what they want of them.

End of discussion.

Podcasts do not say what you say above. Put it another way. There is no reason to believe it will happen. The podcasts at best show two people who think it could be a good thing. That is not a reason to believe something will happen when they do not make the rules.

Those "two people" are Lavers and Bracken who have enough power to fix something that's broken.

[Anonymous]

Nothing is broken. The current system is as close to perfect as it will get.

[Anonymous]

Unfortunately for you Lavers and Bracken don't agree with you

[Anonymous]

If you aren't ECNL, on a lower travel team does this matter? I thought it would be fun senior year to finally play with school year friends rather than having to play with the group a year ahead. There is no plan to play college soccer other than club or rec.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nothing is broken. The current system is as close to perfect as it will get.

Translation provided:

Nothing is broken for me. The current system is as close to perfect as it will get for me. I do not support trying to help the over one quarter of kids reach some level of fairness in enjoying soccer and maximizing their soccer potential because my fear of change.

Levers and Bracken know less than me and should do nothing to solve problems that do not affect me because all problems that do not affect me do not exist.

School grades being broken across youth soccer age categories enhance the experience for all kids, college recruiters like like having a mix of kids from various entering college years on the same team, soccer clubs like having find teams/programs for trapped players and the scientists finding issues with relative age advantages know less than me.

End translation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nothing is broken. The current system is as close to perfect as it will get.

Translation provided:

Nothing is broken for me. The current system is as close to perfect as it will get for me. I do not support trying to help the over one quarter of kids reach some level of fairness in enjoying soccer and maximizing their soccer potential because my fear of change.

Levers and Bracken know less than me and should do nothing to solve problems that do not affect me because all problems that do not affect me do not exist.

School grades being broken across youth soccer age categories enhance the experience for all kids, college recruiters like like having a mix of kids from various entering college years on the same team, soccer clubs like having find teams/programs for trapped players and the scientists finding issues with relative age advantages know less than me.

End translation.

Thank you!

That's the point, the change didn't solve the problem it just moved it and created another with the number of trapped players.

[Anonymous]

Birth year is used because it makes it more difficult to cheat the system. Unless you are going to great lengths to falsify your kids birth certificate, it's the fairest way to do it. There are parents who are willing to hold their kid back a grade early on because they aren't "developing" at the same rate as their classmates. Next thing you know, they have one of the bigger kids in the grade who has had extra year of development.

Once they play on their high school team, none of this matters because I'm not aware of any high school that has a team for each grade. It's all mixed from freshmen to seniors.

[Anonymous]

Redshirting only gives kids an advantage on private school sports teams.

Club is not by grade. What they're attempting to do is have most kids on the same team on same grade. If parents play dirty stunts to give their kids an athletic advantage, their kids will be at a disadvantage in club.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Birth year is used because it makes it more difficult to cheat the system. Unless you are going to great lengths to falsify your kids birth certificate, it's the fairest way to do it. There are parents who are willing to hold their kid back a grade early on because they aren't "developing" at the same rate as their classmates. Next thing you know, they have one of the bigger kids in the grade who has had extra year of development.

Once they play on their high school team, none of this matters because I'm not aware of any high school that has a team for each grade. It's all mixed from freshmen to seniors.

Ecnl is NOT using grades.
It's using cutoffs. Which is the same thing as birth year. But instead of Jan 1 - Dec 31st cutoff, the new cutoff will be Aug 1 - July 31.
It's really not that complex.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Birth year is used because it makes it more difficult to cheat the system. Unless you are going to great lengths to falsify your kids birth certificate, it's the fairest way to do it. There are parents who are willing to hold their kid back a grade early on because they aren't "developing" at the same rate as their classmates. Next thing you know, they have one of the bigger kids in the grade who has had extra year of development.

Once they play on their high school team, none of this matters because I'm not aware of any high school that has a team for each grade. It's all mixed from freshmen to seniors.

Ecnl is NOT using grades.
It's using cutoffs. Which is the same thing as birth year. But instead of Jan 1 - Dec 31st cutoff, the new cutoff will be Aug 1 - July 31.
It's really not that complex.

So we just screw a different group of girls.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Birth year is used because it makes it more difficult to cheat the system. Unless you are going to great lengths to falsify your kids birth certificate, it's the fairest way to do it. There are parents who are willing to hold their kid back a grade early on because they aren't "developing" at the same rate as their classmates. Next thing you know, they have one of the bigger kids in the grade who has had extra year of development.

Once they play on their high school team, none of this matters because I'm not aware of any high school that has a team for each grade. It's all mixed from freshmen to seniors.

Ecnl is NOT using grades.
It's using cutoffs. Which is the same thing as birth year. But instead of Jan 1 - Dec 31st cutoff, the new cutoff will be Aug 1 - July 31.
It's really not that complex.

So we just screw a different group of girls.

Nobody will get screwed with the new rule.

Maybe parents who redshirt their kids will get screwed. But that's mostly boys.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is where the anonymity makes it hard to have a discussion. The person/people who constantly saying "it's not happening" have just a good of guess as anyone else, but it seems like one poster is really digging in on this with absolutely nothing to back the argument up.

It's not worth rehashing all the prior discussion, but just take it for what it's worth - the ECNL President/VP both are heavily in favor of this change. We'll see how it plays out.

Exactly.. I'm not interested in a back and forth with someone who doesn't want to believe it's happening.

I'm basing my comments on what I heard on the podcasts from the sources themselves : Bracken and Lavers.
The podcasts are publicly available for all to listen and make what they want of them.

End of discussion.

Podcasts do not say what you say above. Put it another way. There is no reason to believe it will happen. The podcasts at best show two people who think it could be a good thing. That is not a reason to believe something will happen when they do not make the rules.

Those "two people" are Lavers and Bracken who have enough power to fix something that's broken.

They have no power over this but to suggest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nothing is broken. The current system is as close to perfect as it will get.

Says the parent of a January child.

The elementary school parents who have a kids not playing with classmates beg to differ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nothing is broken. The current system is as close to perfect as it will get.

Says the parent of a January child.

The elementary school parents who have a kids not playing with classmates beg to differ.

+1 My Nov boy would like a word