APE and tech (APS)

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s significant that APE and AEA are in agreement with this. I support it as well as APS staff/parent

I don't take educational "recommendations" from a lobbying group that twists the "science" to fit its agenda. No thanks.

+1

I don’t trust stealth Republicans no matter what they might say to embed themselves in the community.

So is the head of the teachers' union a "stealth republican" then? Truly, there is no limit to APE's insidious, corrupting influence!

The issue isn’t that they think iPads in k-2 are bad; everyone agrees that they’re not ideal. The issue is that they are shifting the conversation to it. I agree that K-2 shouldn’t spend much time on iPads, but given they don’t actually spend a lot of time on them (and they need them for state testing), it’s a low-priority “issue”. There are many more important issues they should be addressing.

Their goal is to scream about APS and pretend like they’re building community consensus. They don’t actually address the hard issues.

Huh? Did you read the article? APE brought it up at March budget meeting as a way to save money. 1:1 devices in K-2 is something that could be cut that wouldn't hurt K-2 education while making room in the APS budget. As far as I know addressing the budget is a super important issue right now.

I'm not an APE supporter, but rejecting this proposal because it is also supported by APE is stupid.

So they’re arguing over a tiny amount vs addressing a huge cut in the budget by Youngkin.

It’s a distraction.

They have talked about. And told people to email about it. Besides the General
Assembly rejected the Youngkin budget and passed on with higher funding.

But not recouping the full cut.

Which newsletter? I scanned through all in 2024 and don’t remember seeing that.

And they want parents to email him? It’s a lobbyist org who only wants to “lobby” when it’s APS, not their buddy Youngkin.

Link to it or it didnt happen. And where is APE's own lobbying of Youngkin?

https://www.arlingtonparentsforeducation.org/newsletter-2024/march-12-2024-newsletter

ZERO mention of Youngkin here.

No letter to Youngkin, just the GA representatives.

No encouraging parents to write him.

An anti-equity RWNJ political rant that isn’t based on facts.


Why is this lobbying group not actually lobbying for our kids? The only thing they seem cabanas of doing is beetching about APS.

yep it was very carefully done to avoid lobbying Youngkin at all. I'm sure by design.

[Anonymous]

And as it has been said upthread, AEA doesn’t represent all teachers either. Honestly, it’s just a small percentage. If teachers truly want to get rid of tech, they need to contact the board directly, signing their own name and school they teach at because anon anything isn’t it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think this forum is just APE members arguing with each other. And like maybe a person or two who sees them for who they are.

iPads are not a big deal. My kid has one, and it has not corrupted him or disadvantaged his education. His teacher uses it in the classroom so that she can focus on small group education for a small percentage of the day.

We can't talk about anything else that's truly wrong with APS because APE takes up all of the air. Just stop listening to them. Done.

This is sort of this TechEd fantasy that hasn't really panned out. Often the rest of the kids are watching youtube. If they are doing Lexia, they can just tap on answers until they get enough right to go to the next level. The behavior problems in schools are pretty bad due to no-fail and inclusion policies (which are good in theory but often poorly implemented), so even kids who do want to work are often distracted by kids who don't. And this doesn't even address the issue of kids over-using devices at home because they tell their parents they need them for homework. Which they often do!

Studies have shown that large group instruction is generally more efficient than small group instruction because kids rarely work independently when the teacher's focus is completely elsewhere. Test scores have consistently gone down in the US, despite billions of dollars spent on tech. And we know that screens have detrimental impacts. There is no evidence that the benefits of individual devices outweigh the costs. I have no strong feelings one way or another about APE but I am dismayed that people don't seem to realize how bad individual devices in schools are.

Signed,

A teacher

So you don’t think small group instruction works? What grades do you teach?

[Anonymous]

Guise: There's an ACTL meeting on Tuesday where they will spend a good chunk of time talking about screen time in schools. It's pretty clever of APE to go to ArlNow to attempt to dredge up some community outrage to the board so that the meeting can go APE's way.

The thing is, do people really write the Board based on ArlNow articles/APE newsletters?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this forum is just APE members arguing with each other. And like maybe a person or two who sees them for who they are.

iPads are not a big deal. My kid has one, and it has not corrupted him or disadvantaged his education. His teacher uses it in the classroom so that she can focus on small group education for a small percentage of the day.

We can't talk about anything else that's truly wrong with APS because APE takes up all of the air. Just stop listening to them. Done.

This is sort of this TechEd fantasy that hasn't really panned out. Often the rest of the kids are watching youtube. If they are doing Lexia, they can just tap on answers until they get enough right to go to the next level. The behavior problems in schools are pretty bad due to no-fail and inclusion policies (which are good in theory but often poorly implemented), so even kids who do want to work are often distracted by kids who don't. And this doesn't even address the issue of kids over-using devices at home because they tell their parents they need them for homework. Which they often do!

Studies have shown that large group instruction is generally more efficient than small group instruction because kids rarely work independently when the teacher's focus is completely elsewhere. Test scores have consistently gone down in the US, despite billions of dollars spent on tech. And we know that screens have detrimental impacts. There is no evidence that the benefits of individual devices outweigh the costs. I have no strong feelings one way or another about APE but I am dismayed that people don't seem to realize how bad individual devices in schools are.

Signed,

A teacher

So you don’t think small group instruction works? What grades do you teach?

Lol. Why are we even talking about small class sizes if small group instruction doesn't work. The bigger the better, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Guise: There's an ACTL meeting on Tuesday where they will spend a good chunk of time talking about screen time in schools. It's pretty clever of APE to go to ArlNow to attempt to dredge up some community outrage to the board so that the meeting can go APE's way.

The thing is, do people really write the Board based on ArlNow articles/APE newsletters?

*correction: Wednesday

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this forum is just APE members arguing with each other. And like maybe a person or two who sees them for who they are.

iPads are not a big deal. My kid has one, and it has not corrupted him or disadvantaged his education. His teacher uses it in the classroom so that she can focus on small group education for a small percentage of the day.

We can't talk about anything else that's truly wrong with APS because APE takes up all of the air. Just stop listening to them. Done.

This is sort of this TechEd fantasy that hasn't really panned out. Often the rest of the kids are watching youtube. If they are doing Lexia, they can just tap on answers until they get enough right to go to the next level. The behavior problems in schools are pretty bad due to no-fail and inclusion policies (which are good in theory but often poorly implemented), so even kids who do want to work are often distracted by kids who don't. And this doesn't even address the issue of kids over-using devices at home because they tell their parents they need them for homework. Which they often do!

Studies have shown that large group instruction is generally more efficient than small group instruction because kids rarely work independently when the teacher's focus is completely elsewhere. Test scores have consistently gone down in the US, despite billions of dollars spent on tech. And we know that screens have detrimental impacts. There is no evidence that the benefits of individual devices outweigh the costs. I have no strong feelings one way or another about APE but I am dismayed that people don't seem to realize how bad individual devices in schools are.

Signed,

A teacher

So you don’t think small group instruction works? What grades do you teach?

I am not the poster, but I agree. I teach high school. I have 30 in a class. It’s not happening. Not possible. But I take their phones and barely use the computers, and it works really well for me. And for the kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this forum is just APE members arguing with each other. And like maybe a person or two who sees them for who they are.

iPads are not a big deal. My kid has one, and it has not corrupted him or disadvantaged his education. His teacher uses it in the classroom so that she can focus on small group education for a small percentage of the day.

We can't talk about anything else that's truly wrong with APS because APE takes up all of the air. Just stop listening to them. Done.

This is sort of this TechEd fantasy that hasn't really panned out. Often the rest of the kids are watching youtube. If they are doing Lexia, they can just tap on answers until they get enough right to go to the next level. The behavior problems in schools are pretty bad due to no-fail and inclusion policies (which are good in theory but often poorly implemented), so even kids who do want to work are often distracted by kids who don't. And this doesn't even address the issue of kids over-using devices at home because they tell their parents they need them for homework. Which they often do!

Studies have shown that large group instruction is generally more efficient than small group instruction because kids rarely work independently when the teacher's focus is completely elsewhere. Test scores have consistently gone down in the US, despite billions of dollars spent on tech. And we know that screens have detrimental impacts. There is no evidence that the benefits of individual devices outweigh the costs. I have no strong feelings one way or another about APE but I am dismayed that people don't seem to realize how bad individual devices in schools are.

Signed,

A teacher

So you don’t think small group instruction works? What grades do you teach?

I am not the poster, but I agree. I teach high school. I have 30 in a class. It’s not happening. Not possible. But I take their phones and barely use the computers, and it works really well for me. And for the kids.

Why are all of the teachers suddenly showing up in DCUM?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And as it has been said upthread, AEA doesn’t represent all teachers either. Honestly, it’s just a small percentage. If teachers truly want to get rid of tech, they need to contact the board directly, signing their own name and school they teach at because anon anything isn’t it.

No one is proposing to get rid of tech. You're making stuff up that isn't even being proposed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this forum is just APE members arguing with each other. And like maybe a person or two who sees them for who they are.

iPads are not a big deal. My kid has one, and it has not corrupted him or disadvantaged his education. His teacher uses it in the classroom so that she can focus on small group education for a small percentage of the day.

We can't talk about anything else that's truly wrong with APS because APE takes up all of the air. Just stop listening to them. Done.

This is sort of this TechEd fantasy that hasn't really panned out. Often the rest of the kids are watching youtube. If they are doing Lexia, they can just tap on answers until they get enough right to go to the next level. The behavior problems in schools are pretty bad due to no-fail and inclusion policies (which are good in theory but often poorly implemented), so even kids who do want to work are often distracted by kids who don't. And this doesn't even address the issue of kids over-using devices at home because they tell their parents they need them for homework. Which they often do!

Studies have shown that large group instruction is generally more efficient than small group instruction because kids rarely work independently when the teacher's focus is completely elsewhere. Test scores have consistently gone down in the US, despite billions of dollars spent on tech. And we know that screens have detrimental impacts. There is no evidence that the benefits of individual devices outweigh the costs. I have no strong feelings one way or another about APE but I am dismayed that people don't seem to realize how bad individual devices in schools are.

Signed,

A teacher

So you don’t think small group instruction works? What grades do you teach?

I am not the poster, but I agree. I teach high school. I have 30 in a class. It’s not happening. Not possible. But I take their phones and barely use the computers, and it works really well for me. And for the kids.

No one has proposed changing devices for high school. This discussion was about 1:1 devices on K-2. No wonder you don't agree. You don't even know what the conversation is about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this forum is just APE members arguing with each other. And like maybe a person or two who sees them for who they are.

iPads are not a big deal. My kid has one, and it has not corrupted him or disadvantaged his education. His teacher uses it in the classroom so that she can focus on small group education for a small percentage of the day.

We can't talk about anything else that's truly wrong with APS because APE takes up all of the air. Just stop listening to them. Done.

This is sort of this TechEd fantasy that hasn't really panned out. Often the rest of the kids are watching youtube. If they are doing Lexia, they can just tap on answers until they get enough right to go to the next level. The behavior problems in schools are pretty bad due to no-fail and inclusion policies (which are good in theory but often poorly implemented), so even kids who do want to work are often distracted by kids who don't. And this doesn't even address the issue of kids over-using devices at home because they tell their parents they need them for homework. Which they often do!

Studies have shown that large group instruction is generally more efficient than small group instruction because kids rarely work independently when the teacher's focus is completely elsewhere. Test scores have consistently gone down in the US, despite billions of dollars spent on tech. And we know that screens have detrimental impacts. There is no evidence that the benefits of individual devices outweigh the costs. I have no strong feelings one way or another about APE but I am dismayed that people don't seem to realize how bad individual devices in schools are.

Signed,

A teacher

So you don’t think small group instruction works? What grades do you teach?

I am not the poster, but I agree. I teach high school. I have 30 in a class. It’s not happening. Not possible. But I take their phones and barely use the computers, and it works really well for me. And for the kids.

No one has proposed changing devices for high school. This discussion was about 1:1 devices on K-2. No wonder you don't agree. You don't even know what the conversation is about.

Ha! You must not have a teenager. When you do, maybe you will understand that we should change it for then, too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this forum is just APE members arguing with each other. And like maybe a person or two who sees them for who they are.

iPads are not a big deal. My kid has one, and it has not corrupted him or disadvantaged his education. His teacher uses it in the classroom so that she can focus on small group education for a small percentage of the day.

We can't talk about anything else that's truly wrong with APS because APE takes up all of the air. Just stop listening to them. Done.

This is sort of this TechEd fantasy that hasn't really panned out. Often the rest of the kids are watching youtube. If they are doing Lexia, they can just tap on answers until they get enough right to go to the next level. The behavior problems in schools are pretty bad due to no-fail and inclusion policies (which are good in theory but often poorly implemented), so even kids who do want to work are often distracted by kids who don't. And this doesn't even address the issue of kids over-using devices at home because they tell their parents they need them for homework. Which they often do!

Studies have shown that large group instruction is generally more efficient than small group instruction because kids rarely work independently when the teacher's focus is completely elsewhere. Test scores have consistently gone down in the US, despite billions of dollars spent on tech. And we know that screens have detrimental impacts. There is no evidence that the benefits of individual devices outweigh the costs. I have no strong feelings one way or another about APE but I am dismayed that people don't seem to realize how bad individual devices in schools are.

Signed,

A teacher

So you don’t think small group instruction works? What grades do you teach?

I am not the poster, but I agree. I teach high school. I have 30 in a class. It’s not happening. Not possible. But I take their phones and barely use the computers, and it works really well for me. And for the kids.

Why are all of the teachers suddenly showing up in DCUM?

Are we not allowed to be here? I’m also an APS parent

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this forum is just APE members arguing with each other. And like maybe a person or two who sees them for who they are.

iPads are not a big deal. My kid has one, and it has not corrupted him or disadvantaged his education. His teacher uses it in the classroom so that she can focus on small group education for a small percentage of the day.

We can't talk about anything else that's truly wrong with APS because APE takes up all of the air. Just stop listening to them. Done.

This is sort of this TechEd fantasy that hasn't really panned out. Often the rest of the kids are watching youtube. If they are doing Lexia, they can just tap on answers until they get enough right to go to the next level. The behavior problems in schools are pretty bad due to no-fail and inclusion policies (which are good in theory but often poorly implemented), so even kids who do want to work are often distracted by kids who don't. And this doesn't even address the issue of kids over-using devices at home because they tell their parents they need them for homework. Which they often do!

Studies have shown that large group instruction is generally more efficient than small group instruction because kids rarely work independently when the teacher's focus is completely elsewhere. Test scores have consistently gone down in the US, despite billions of dollars spent on tech. And we know that screens have detrimental impacts. There is no evidence that the benefits of individual devices outweigh the costs. I have no strong feelings one way or another about APE but I am dismayed that people don't seem to realize how bad individual devices in schools are.

Signed,

A teacher

So you don’t think small group instruction works? What grades do you teach?

I am not the poster, but I agree. I teach high school. I have 30 in a class. It’s not happening. Not possible. But I take their phones and barely use the computers, and it works really well for me. And for the kids.

No one has proposed changing devices for high school. This discussion was about 1:1 devices on K-2. No wonder you don't agree. You don't even know what the conversation is about.

Ha! You must not have a teenager. When you do, maybe you will understand that we should change it for then, too.

Okay, so you're not talking about this thread, the article in the OP, or APE's proposal, but something you made up. This is your proposal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this forum is just APE members arguing with each other. And like maybe a person or two who sees them for who they are.

iPads are not a big deal. My kid has one, and it has not corrupted him or disadvantaged his education. His teacher uses it in the classroom so that she can focus on small group education for a small percentage of the day.

We can't talk about anything else that's truly wrong with APS because APE takes up all of the air. Just stop listening to them. Done.

This is sort of this TechEd fantasy that hasn't really panned out. Often the rest of the kids are watching youtube. If they are doing Lexia, they can just tap on answers until they get enough right to go to the next level. The behavior problems in schools are pretty bad due to no-fail and inclusion policies (which are good in theory but often poorly implemented), so even kids who do want to work are often distracted by kids who don't. And this doesn't even address the issue of kids over-using devices at home because they tell their parents they need them for homework. Which they often do!

Studies have shown that large group instruction is generally more efficient than small group instruction because kids rarely work independently when the teacher's focus is completely elsewhere. Test scores have consistently gone down in the US, despite billions of dollars spent on tech. And we know that screens have detrimental impacts. There is no evidence that the benefits of individual devices outweigh the costs. I have no strong feelings one way or another about APE but I am dismayed that people don't seem to realize how bad individual devices in schools are.

Signed,

A teacher

So you don’t think small group instruction works? What grades do you teach?

I am not the poster, but I agree. I teach high school. I have 30 in a class. It’s not happening. Not possible. But I take their phones and barely use the computers, and it works really well for me. And for the kids.

No one has proposed changing devices for high school. This discussion was about 1:1 devices on K-2. No wonder you don't agree. You don't even know what the conversation is about.

Ha! You must not have a teenager. When you do, maybe you will understand that we should change it for then, too.

Okay, so you're not talking about this thread, the article in the OP, or APE's proposal, but something you made up. This is your proposal.

Wow. I just feel like we should reduce the screen time for all of them. I’m sorry I said anything! Jeez.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this forum is just APE members arguing with each other. And like maybe a person or two who sees them for who they are.

iPads are not a big deal. My kid has one, and it has not corrupted him or disadvantaged his education. His teacher uses it in the classroom so that she can focus on small group education for a small percentage of the day.

We can't talk about anything else that's truly wrong with APS because APE takes up all of the air. Just stop listening to them. Done.

This is sort of this TechEd fantasy that hasn't really panned out. Often the rest of the kids are watching youtube. If they are doing Lexia, they can just tap on answers until they get enough right to go to the next level. The behavior problems in schools are pretty bad due to no-fail and inclusion policies (which are good in theory but often poorly implemented), so even kids who do want to work are often distracted by kids who don't. And this doesn't even address the issue of kids over-using devices at home because they tell their parents they need them for homework. Which they often do!

Studies have shown that large group instruction is generally more efficient than small group instruction because kids rarely work independently when the teacher's focus is completely elsewhere. Test scores have consistently gone down in the US, despite billions of dollars spent on tech. And we know that screens have detrimental impacts. There is no evidence that the benefits of individual devices outweigh the costs. I have no strong feelings one way or another about APE but I am dismayed that people don't seem to realize how bad individual devices in schools are.

Signed,

A teacher

So you don’t think small group instruction works? What grades do you teach?

I am not the poster, but I agree. I teach high school. I have 30 in a class. It’s not happening. Not possible. But I take their phones and barely use the computers, and it works really well for me. And for the kids.

Why are all of the teachers suddenly showing up in DCUM?

Are we not allowed to be here? I’m also an APS parent

I’m a teacher and parent, too. I have always been on this forum! What exactly is the problem here? Our thoughts don’t count??