Harvard will require Test Scores starting next year
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This ^ |
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I assume the bolded is true because, in fact, this is exactly what Harvard's own data showed in the discovery portion of the SCt case |
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2018-2019 SAT ebr. 720-780 SAT math 740-800 |
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But the comment was referring to the admits they’re seeing this year….post SC case. |
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The 2023-24 CDS reports that 14% submitted SATs and 31% ACT. |
Anonymous
“Everyone is in the same boat” whether they took the SATs twice or six times? Interesting boat. And it’s “not a bad thing” for kids to already be on pace to take the SAT 5X? And these are the kids who are “on the ball” and should be rewarded? Oh, my. |
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My kid took them last fall twice. Ended up w a high score, but somewhere btw 25-50% for Harvard. Could they have gotten an extra 20 points if they took them every month after for the next year? After they had another year of math? Probably. Would they have lost out on other commitments on Saturdays which also look good on a resume (and bring them joy)? Certainly.
Do I wish these tests were like every other test, one and done? Classroom tests, state exams, AP tests, the shsat, the psat? Yes. But taking tests twice instead of 10 times isn’t always being at a disadvantage. And there’s time to take it twice |
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You people are insane. Who GAF what Harvard does and whether or not they get the "best" by whatever standard you apply. The vast majority of your kids are not getting into Harvard.
(And no I do not think a test score is indicative of whether you'd do well at any school. There are a lot of factors that play into that.) |
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NP, DD received an email with this information yesterday. She is on the email list due to marketing efforts, not expressed interest. |
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My own kids are not applying to Harvard, but as a professor of mostly undergraduate students I applaud this. It's one data point that is, like ACTs and APs, scaled nationally. Grades are hyper inflated at many high schools and rigor varies too much across schools to be helpful to an admissions committee who is comparing students across the country, indeed even internationally.
Also, my unpopular opinion is that SATs are not racially biased. The scores are a reflection of reality -Black and Hispanic kids don't do well because they are relatively impoverished compared to other populations. Also, straight math problems (not word problems) logically cannot indicate bias. |
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So top 14% of students at Tulane score 1450 on their SATs. That's a far cry from the average Tulane student scoring 1450. When mandatory test scores are required colleges & universities outside the Top 25 are going to see their SAT numbers plummet. Before the pandemic, the average SAT was 1060 and 90th percentile was 1340. If a school only admits 5% (Ivies, Stanford, MIT, etc),then 90th percentile is not good enough. But for most schools, scoring in 90th percentile will help get you in. |
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Thank you for pointing the obvious out. And added hurdle is also the switch to digital. There are only 6 official practice tests. 2 were added after the March test which disappointing in difficulty and grading. My DD for instance had all bars filled in but one and got a 690 in reading. They took away the option to pay for which questions were missed. The digital test seems to be in its infancy. My DD is a junior in public. Her private school friends told her their counselor pointed out nobody knows about the digital version yet and stressed everybody to get a good paper test. I feel stupid to have trusted the process. |
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It seems like you don’t realize there is a trickle-down effect. Colleges often follow in the footsteps of other institutions. In this case, most colleges will remain TO. Most colleges are struggling with enrollment. They want students, any student. But for selective colleges, which is mostly what we talk about, then this announcement matters a little more. |
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"Same boat" means everyone just found out Harvard is not TO. I firmly believe that 85-90% of people who actually have a good chance at a lottery ticket for Harvard have already taken the SAT or are schedule for one in May/June. 75%+ of admitted students already submit their scores. I suspect those who dont' have taken the SAT/ACT and are below 50% so don't submit. |
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Not only is the PP is who too short on vocabulary to express what they're trying to say a jerk, but they're also flat-out wrong. In fact, the reinstatement of test scores is so they CAN let in students with lower scores. Maybe 1300 will be a little low, but not, they can see that students with high GPAs from little-known or underperforming schools are capable of doing the work at their universities--and 1400 SAT scores prove that. All this narrative about the highest scores doing "the best" in college really doesn't matter. Students with 1400 scores and high GPAs from their high schools deserve an opportunity to have an excellent education. They don't have to be top students in the Ivy League, they just deserve the chance. Reinstatement of test scores allows that to happen. Again, understand, this is not to put a barrier in front of students with lower scores who were "hiding" them. It is to remove it. |