Understanding Juvenile Carjacking: A Panel Discussion Moderated by Ward 6 Councilmember Charles Allen

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The parents/foster parents begging for accountability for their children was quite telling.

Yes, it's also reflected in this piece in Hill Rag recently: https://www.hillrag.com/2023/12/06/carjacking-is-no-big-deal/. Very worth a read, as it does a great job of clearly explaining how the system is breaking down (and how it's not really a "system" at all).

Several points from the story of the foster kid in the Hill Rag article:
- His foster dad has mixed feelings about the child's arrest but also thought to himself that some kind of consequences for this behavior was needed to change the behavior
- After the kid is released without charges on the carjacking, he started influencing other kids in the foster home, including ones as young as 13, about carjacking, which the kids refer to as "free cars"
- A year after the carjacking, the same kid was arrested for a domestic assault and wound up in a group home that his foster dad thinks might have been worse because it just placed him in a facility with other juvenile offenders where they just reinforce and encourage the idea that criminality is necessary or inevitable
- The kid now lives in another state and according to his foster dad, is on track to finish high school and considering enlisting in the military. This seems like a happier ending for that kid.

While you can't extrapolate policy critique from one story, I do think the comments from the foster dad, in particular, are valuable, because this is someone who works with a lot of kids who are "in the system" and is pretty clearly outlining the key issues at play: kids NEED accountability, we do have consider their age, detention/incarceration may not fix much and may actually increase recidivism, and there's an argument that getting kids out of the communities/families/friendships where these patterns emerge might be a path forward.

I don't know what the policy that works to remove kids from dysfunctional communities looks like, but it really looks like we're looking at dysfunction that goes beyond the family unit to the surrounding community. We need to address that dysfunction, but in the meantime, I do think we should be doing more to simply remove kids from the community (send to family out of state, out of the city, if possible) if we want to help these specific kids.

+1

Was a good article.
Bottom line: those advocating for no consequences and no accountability, no arrests, no persecutions and no sentencing, are only hurting the community. And the youth involved.

Removal from their environment into a completely different setting is something that works, it did for the youth in the article.

Someday it will be common knowledge that the soft bigotry of low expectations only served to reinforce the lack of access to a better life for kids like this.

Tragic all around.

[Anonymous]

just give them the money so that they will have time to work on improving themselves

UBI is definitely a goal of groups promoting a decarceral agenda. And as someone upthread said, public safety is being held hostage to further that agenda, but it's a bait and switch, these groups also profit from chaos. Their goal will never be to do what Baltimore is doing so successfully. And these groups are controlling DC govt.

But "work on themselves" is a very middle class and elitist attitude, PP.

Why don't we focus on helping people who ARE NOT behaving violently towards others? Why don't we focus on safety as a fundamental for all and remove those who are dangerous? On Maslow's hierarchy of need, safety is very fundamental.

Who is benefitting from turning DC into Gotham?

[Anonymous]

But every DC leader is pro choice.

How can you complain about crime, when current leaders are all pro choice?

Aren’t reproductive rights far more important than your personal safety?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

just give them the money so that they will have time to work on improving themselves

UBI is definitely a goal of groups promoting a decarceral agenda. And as someone upthread said, public safety is being held hostage to further that agenda, but it's a bait and switch, these groups also profit from chaos. Their goal will never be to do what Baltimore is doing so successfully. And these groups are controlling DC govt.

But "work on themselves" is a very middle class and elitist attitude, PP.

Why don't we focus on helping people who ARE NOT behaving violently towards others? Why don't we focus on safety as a fundamental for all and remove those who are dangerous? On Maslow's hierarchy of need, safety is very fundamental.

Who is benefitting from turning DC into Gotham?

We will be judged by how we treat the most vulnerable in our society. These people have literally nothing and you refuse to give them anything. How will they better themselves?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

just give them the money so that they will have time to work on improving themselves

UBI is definitely a goal of groups promoting a decarceral agenda. And as someone upthread said, public safety is being held hostage to further that agenda, but it's a bait and switch, these groups also profit from chaos. Their goal will never be to do what Baltimore is doing so successfully. And these groups are controlling DC govt.

But "work on themselves" is a very middle class and elitist attitude, PP.

Why don't we focus on helping people who ARE NOT behaving violently towards others? Why don't we focus on safety as a fundamental for all and remove those who are dangerous? On Maslow's hierarchy of need, safety is very fundamental.

Who is benefitting from turning DC into Gotham?

We will be judged by how we treat the most vulnerable in our society. These people have literally nothing and you refuse to give them anything. How will they better themselves?

The poor in DC have housing, health care, free schools, free metro cards, etc., etc.

Your BS does not effectively deflect from the fact that lax decarceral policies disproportionately result in DEAD AND SHOT POOR BLACK PEOPLE. How will they better themselves if DEAD? GTFO with your nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

just give them the money so that they will have time to work on improving themselves

UBI is definitely a goal of groups promoting a decarceral agenda. And as someone upthread said, public safety is being held hostage to further that agenda, but it's a bait and switch, these groups also profit from chaos. Their goal will never be to do what Baltimore is doing so successfully. And these groups are controlling DC govt.

But "work on themselves" is a very middle class and elitist attitude, PP.

Why don't we focus on helping people who ARE NOT behaving violently towards others? Why don't we focus on safety as a fundamental for all and remove those who are dangerous? On Maslow's hierarchy of need, safety is very fundamental.

Who is benefitting from turning DC into Gotham?

We will be judged by how we treat the most vulnerable in our society. These people have literally nothing and you refuse to give them anything. How will they better themselves?

Lovely. Do you defend child molesters too?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

just give them the money so that they will have time to work on improving themselves

UBI is definitely a goal of groups promoting a decarceral agenda. And as someone upthread said, public safety is being held hostage to further that agenda, but it's a bait and switch, these groups also profit from chaos. Their goal will never be to do what Baltimore is doing so successfully. And these groups are controlling DC govt.

But "work on themselves" is a very middle class and elitist attitude, PP.

Why don't we focus on helping people who ARE NOT behaving violently towards others? Why don't we focus on safety as a fundamental for all and remove those who are dangerous? On Maslow's hierarchy of need, safety is very fundamental.

Who is benefitting from turning DC into Gotham?

We will be judged by how we treat the most vulnerable in our society. These people have literally nothing and you refuse to give them anything. How will they better themselves?

The poor in DC have housing, health care, free schools, free metro cards, etc., etc.

Your BS does not effectively deflect from the fact that lax decarceral policies disproportionately result in DEAD AND SHOT POOR BLACK PEOPLE. How will they better themselves if DEAD? GTFO with your nonsense.

Housing can be housing but not adequate housing. There are plenty of WashPo articles about the truly poor living in rat/roach and other bug infested apartments while the landlords collect city money and don't provide repairs. Housing Enforcment is a so process.

Food can be provided but those is Ward 7 and Ward 8 live in food deserts and access to high quality foods is often unavailable. Once again, there was a WashPo article about the moldy veggies, low quality fruit options and poor meat that was often spoiled found in grocery stores in Ward 7 and 8.

DC just started renovating the schools in the last 2 decades, prior to that, the kids went to school in broken buildings with heat/cooling issues, rodents, bad curriculum and violence.

So let's stop discussing what "FREEBIES" the poor in DC receive m, when it's actually no that free and is literally a step above sleeping on the streets with other unhoused populations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

just give them the money so that they will have time to work on improving themselves

UBI is definitely a goal of groups promoting a decarceral agenda. And as someone upthread said, public safety is being held hostage to further that agenda, but it's a bait and switch, these groups also profit from chaos. Their goal will never be to do what Baltimore is doing so successfully. And these groups are controlling DC govt.

But "work on themselves" is a very middle class and elitist attitude, PP.

Why don't we focus on helping people who ARE NOT behaving violently towards others? Why don't we focus on safety as a fundamental for all and remove those who are dangerous? On Maslow's hierarchy of need, safety is very fundamental.

Who is benefitting from turning DC into Gotham?

We will be judged by how we treat the most vulnerable in our society. These people have literally nothing and you refuse to give them anything. How will they better themselves?

The poor in DC have housing, health care, free schools, free metro cards, etc., etc.

Your BS does not effectively deflect from the fact that lax decarceral policies disproportionately result in DEAD AND SHOT POOR BLACK PEOPLE. How will they better themselves if DEAD? GTFO with your nonsense.

Housing can be housing but not adequate housing. There are plenty of WashPo articles about the truly poor living in rat/roach and other bug infested apartments while the landlords collect city money and don't provide repairs. Housing Enforcment is a so process.

Food can be provided but those is Ward 7 and Ward 8 live in food deserts and access to high quality foods is often unavailable. Once again, there was a WashPo article about the moldy veggies, low quality fruit options and poor meat that was often spoiled found in grocery stores in Ward 7 and 8.

DC just started renovating the schools in the last 2 decades, prior to that, the kids went to school in broken buildings with heat/cooling issues, rodents, bad curriculum and violence.

So let's stop discussing what "FREEBIES" the poor in DC receive m, when it's actually no that free and is literally a step above sleeping on the streets with other unhoused populations.

The supermarkets won't go there because loss prevention is INSANE. They are businesses, not charities. Ask the Mayor to offer to put a police substation in every supermarket that willingly goes into 7 and 8. But you'd have to not simultaneously demonize the police. There's a reason for the expression "you can't have your cake and eat it too".

[Anonymous]

The residents caused the food deserts due to extreme theft. Businesses cannot afford to operate under extreme theft conditions.

7 million illegal aliens will take the free DC housing and heat right now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

just give them the money so that they will have time to work on improving themselves

UBI is definitely a goal of groups promoting a decarceral agenda. And as someone upthread said, public safety is being held hostage to further that agenda, but it's a bait and switch, these groups also profit from chaos. Their goal will never be to do what Baltimore is doing so successfully. And these groups are controlling DC govt.

But "work on themselves" is a very middle class and elitist attitude, PP.

Why don't we focus on helping people who ARE NOT behaving violently towards others? Why don't we focus on safety as a fundamental for all and remove those who are dangerous? On Maslow's hierarchy of need, safety is very fundamental.

Who is benefitting from turning DC into Gotham?

We will be judged by how we treat the most vulnerable in our society. These people have literally nothing and you refuse to give them anything. How will they better themselves?

The poor in DC have housing, health care, free schools, free metro cards, etc., etc.

Your BS does not effectively deflect from the fact that lax decarceral policies disproportionately result in DEAD AND SHOT POOR BLACK PEOPLE. How will they better themselves if DEAD? GTFO with your nonsense.

Housing can be housing but not adequate housing. There are plenty of WashPo articles about the truly poor living in rat/roach and other bug infested apartments while the landlords collect city money and don't provide repairs. Housing Enforcment is a so process.

Food can be provided but those is Ward 7 and Ward 8 live in food deserts and access to high quality foods is often unavailable. Once again, there was a WashPo article about the moldy veggies, low quality fruit options and poor meat that was often spoiled found in grocery stores in Ward 7 and 8.

DC just started renovating the schools in the last 2 decades, prior to that, the kids went to school in broken buildings with heat/cooling issues, rodents, bad curriculum and violence.

So let's stop discussing what "FREEBIES" the poor in DC receive m, when it's actually no that free and is literally a step above sleeping on the streets with other unhoused populations.

The DC government needs to get more involved. Their are modern buildings sitting empty. Use eminent domain to take these unused properties for public purpose. If a house comes on the market, the government should reallocate that property to a disenfranchised family. When public services improve, everyone wins.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

just give them the money so that they will have time to work on improving themselves

UBI is definitely a goal of groups promoting a decarceral agenda. And as someone upthread said, public safety is being held hostage to further that agenda, but it's a bait and switch, these groups also profit from chaos. Their goal will never be to do what Baltimore is doing so successfully. And these groups are controlling DC govt.

But "work on themselves" is a very middle class and elitist attitude, PP.

Why don't we focus on helping people who ARE NOT behaving violently towards others? Why don't we focus on safety as a fundamental for all and remove those who are dangerous? On Maslow's hierarchy of need, safety is very fundamental.

Who is benefitting from turning DC into Gotham?

We will be judged by how we treat the most vulnerable in our society. These people have literally nothing and you refuse to give them anything. How will they better themselves?

The poor in DC have housing, health care, free schools, free metro cards, etc., etc.

Your BS does not effectively deflect from the fact that lax decarceral policies disproportionately result in DEAD AND SHOT POOR BLACK PEOPLE. How will they better themselves if DEAD? GTFO with your nonsense.

Housing can be housing but not adequate housing. There are plenty of WashPo articles about the truly poor living in rat/roach and other bug infested apartments while the landlords collect city money and don't provide repairs. Housing Enforcment is a so process.

Food can be provided but those is Ward 7 and Ward 8 live in food deserts and access to high quality foods is often unavailable. Once again, there was a WashPo article about the moldy veggies, low quality fruit options and poor meat that was often spoiled found in grocery stores in Ward 7 and 8.

DC just started renovating the schools in the last 2 decades, prior to that, the kids went to school in broken buildings with heat/cooling issues, rodents, bad curriculum and violence.

So let's stop discussing what "FREEBIES" the poor in DC receive m, when it's actually no that free and is literally a step above sleeping on the streets with other unhoused populations.

It all comes down to lack of enforcement of laws! Why are there grocery store deserts - because of rampant, unchecked criminals. Why are those who receive city money but leave apartments infested and unserviced not prosecuted and held accountable? If you are tough on crime and remove all the offenders, you lift up everyone in that community.

[Anonymous]

Thugs are going to thug.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

just give them the money so that they will have time to work on improving themselves

UBI is definitely a goal of groups promoting a decarceral agenda. And as someone upthread said, public safety is being held hostage to further that agenda, but it's a bait and switch, these groups also profit from chaos. Their goal will never be to do what Baltimore is doing so successfully. And these groups are controlling DC govt.

But "work on themselves" is a very middle class and elitist attitude, PP.

Why don't we focus on helping people who ARE NOT behaving violently towards others? Why don't we focus on safety as a fundamental for all and remove those who are dangerous? On Maslow's hierarchy of need, safety is very fundamental.

Who is benefitting from turning DC into Gotham?

We will be judged by how we treat the most vulnerable in our society. These people have literally nothing and you refuse to give them anything. How will they better themselves?

The poor in DC have housing, health care, free schools, free metro cards, etc., etc.

Your BS does not effectively deflect from the fact that lax decarceral policies disproportionately result in DEAD AND SHOT POOR BLACK PEOPLE. How will they better themselves if DEAD? GTFO with your nonsense.

Housing can be housing but not adequate housing. There are plenty of WashPo articles about the truly poor living in rat/roach and other bug infested apartments while the landlords collect city money and don't provide repairs. Housing Enforcment is a so process.

Food can be provided but those is Ward 7 and Ward 8 live in food deserts and access to high quality foods is often unavailable. Once again, there was a WashPo article about the moldy veggies, low quality fruit options and poor meat that was often spoiled found in grocery stores in Ward 7 and 8.

DC just started renovating the schools in the last 2 decades, prior to that, the kids went to school in broken buildings with heat/cooling issues, rodents, bad curriculum and violence.

So let's stop discussing what "FREEBIES" the poor in DC receive m, when it's actually no that free and is literally a step above sleeping on the streets with other unhoused populations.

The DC government needs to get more involved. Their are modern buildings sitting empty. Use eminent domain to take these unused properties for public purpose. If a house comes on the market, the government should reallocate that property to a disenfranchised family. When public services improve, everyone wins.

DC Govt prefers to reallocate property in Ward 3

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

just give them the money so that they will have time to work on improving themselves

UBI is definitely a goal of groups promoting a decarceral agenda. And as someone upthread said, public safety is being held hostage to further that agenda, but it's a bait and switch, these groups also profit from chaos. Their goal will never be to do what Baltimore is doing so successfully. And these groups are controlling DC govt.

But "work on themselves" is a very middle class and elitist attitude, PP.

Why don't we focus on helping people who ARE NOT behaving violently towards others? Why don't we focus on safety as a fundamental for all and remove those who are dangerous? On Maslow's hierarchy of need, safety is very fundamental.

Who is benefitting from turning DC into Gotham?

We will be judged by how we treat the most vulnerable in our society. These people have literally nothing and you refuse to give them anything. How will they better themselves?

The poor in DC have housing, health care, free schools, free metro cards, etc., etc.

Your BS does not effectively deflect from the fact that lax decarceral policies disproportionately result in DEAD AND SHOT POOR BLACK PEOPLE. How will they better themselves if DEAD? GTFO with your nonsense.

Housing can be housing but not adequate housing. There are plenty of WashPo articles about the truly poor living in rat/roach and other bug infested apartments while the landlords collect city money and don't provide repairs. Housing Enforcment is a so process.

Food can be provided but those is Ward 7 and Ward 8 live in food deserts and access to high quality foods is often unavailable. Once again, there was a WashPo article about the moldy veggies, low quality fruit options and poor meat that was often spoiled found in grocery stores in Ward 7 and 8.

DC just started renovating the schools in the last 2 decades, prior to that, the kids went to school in broken buildings with heat/cooling issues, rodents, bad curriculum and violence.

So let's stop discussing what "FREEBIES" the poor in DC receive m, when it's actually no that free and is literally a step above sleeping on the streets with other unhoused populations.

The supermarkets won't go there because loss prevention is INSANE. They are businesses, not charities. Ask the Mayor to offer to put a police substation in every supermarket that willingly goes into 7 and 8. But you'd have to not simultaneously demonize the police. There's a reason for the expression "you can't have your cake and eat it too".

What exactly do you do with your cake if you cannot eat it??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

just give them the money so that they will have time to work on improving themselves

UBI is definitely a goal of groups promoting a decarceral agenda. And as someone upthread said, public safety is being held hostage to further that agenda, but it's a bait and switch, these groups also profit from chaos. Their goal will never be to do what Baltimore is doing so successfully. And these groups are controlling DC govt.

But "work on themselves" is a very middle class and elitist attitude, PP.

Why don't we focus on helping people who ARE NOT behaving violently towards others? Why don't we focus on safety as a fundamental for all and remove those who are dangerous? On Maslow's hierarchy of need, safety is very fundamental.

Who is benefitting from turning DC into Gotham?

We will be judged by how we treat the most vulnerable in our society. These people have literally nothing and you refuse to give them anything. How will they better themselves?

The poor in DC have housing, health care, free schools, free metro cards, etc., etc.

Your BS does not effectively deflect from the fact that lax decarceral policies disproportionately result in DEAD AND SHOT POOR BLACK PEOPLE. How will they better themselves if DEAD? GTFO with your nonsense.

Housing can be housing but not adequate housing. There are plenty of WashPo articles about the truly poor living in rat/roach and other bug infested apartments while the landlords collect city money and don't provide repairs. Housing Enforcment is a so process.

Food can be provided but those is Ward 7 and Ward 8 live in food deserts and access to high quality foods is often unavailable. Once again, there was a WashPo article about the moldy veggies, low quality fruit options and poor meat that was often spoiled found in grocery stores in Ward 7 and 8.

DC just started renovating the schools in the last 2 decades, prior to that, the kids went to school in broken buildings with heat/cooling issues, rodents, bad curriculum and violence.

So let's stop discussing what "FREEBIES" the poor in DC receive m, when it's actually no that free and is literally a step above sleeping on the streets with other unhoused populations.

The supermarkets won't go there because loss prevention is INSANE. They are businesses, not charities. Ask the Mayor to offer to put a police substation in every supermarket that willingly goes into 7 and 8. But you'd have to not simultaneously demonize the police. There's a reason for the expression "you can't have your cake and eat it too".

What exactly do you do with your cake if you cannot eat it??

Once you’ve eaten the cake you don’t have it anymore.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_can't_have_your_cake_and_eat_it