Have you broken an early decision contract?

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Anonymous wrote:Would a public school counselor really refuse to send a final transcript to a non-ED school? Would the counselor even be notified of acceptance to ED school ?

My DS graduated from an MCPS school and was accepted to college ED. He had to request his final transcript for his ED school. The school did not know he had been admitted. I am pretty certain that the counselor would’ve sent the transcript to whichever school he put down on the form.

The counselor has to digitally sign the ED agreement in order for your kid’s application to be accepted . They most certainly are are aware of where your kid applied ED

DP. The counselor doesn't receive the decision from the ED school. Kid could just say they were denied.

So you not only want your kid to lie to colleges, but also their own high school counselor? Are they also lying to all their friends? Because kids talk.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Would a public school counselor really refuse to send a final transcript to a non-ED school? Would the counselor even be notified of acceptance to ED school ?

My DS graduated from an MCPS school and was accepted to college ED. He had to request his final transcript for his ED school. The school did not know he had been admitted. I am pretty certain that the counselor would’ve sent the transcript to whichever school he put down on the form.

The counselor has to digitally sign the ED agreement in order for your kid’s application to be accepted . They most certainly are are aware of where your kid applied ED

Not only that but the parents and applicant have to sign too. This exercise is required to force the parents and child to realize they are entering a serious contract. The counselor and high school loses face when parents renege

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Would a public school counselor really refuse to send a final transcript to a non-ED school? Would the counselor even be notified of acceptance to ED school ?

My DS graduated from an MCPS school and was accepted to college ED. He had to request his final transcript for his ED school. The school did not know he had been admitted. I am pretty certain that the counselor would’ve sent the transcript to whichever school he put down on the form.

The counselor has to digitally sign the ED agreement in order for your kid’s application to be accepted . They most certainly are are aware of where your kid applied ED

DP. The counselor doesn't receive the decision from the ED school. Kid could just say they were denied.

So you not only want your kid to lie to colleges, but also their own high school counselor? Are they also lying to all their friends? Because kids talk.

This isn't about my kid and I'm not defending the practice. I'm just saying that the counselor might not know the kid was accepted.

As a practical matter, one wonders what happens in, say, February when the kid hasn't enrolled at an ED1 school, does the college reach out to the high school counselor.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Would a public school counselor really refuse to send a final transcript to a non-ED school? Would the counselor even be notified of acceptance to ED school ?

My DS graduated from an MCPS school and was accepted to college ED. He had to request his final transcript for his ED school. The school did not know he had been admitted. I am pretty certain that the counselor would’ve sent the transcript to whichever school he put down on the form.

The counselor has to digitally sign the ED agreement in order for your kid’s application to be accepted . They most certainly are are aware of where your kid applied ED

DP. The counselor doesn't receive the decision from the ED school. Kid could just say they were denied.

So you not only want your kid to lie to colleges, but also their own high school counselor? Are they also lying to all their friends? Because kids talk.

This isn't about my kid and I'm not defending the practice. I'm just saying that the counselor might not know the kid was accepted.

As a practical matter, one wonders what happens in, say, February when the kid hasn't enrolled at an ED1 school, does the college reach out to the high school counselor.

Not sure of all colleges do, but many notify college counselors of acceptances.

Schools don’t have useful Naviance records if they aren’t tracking this info. They stay abreast of acceptances.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would a public school counselor really refuse to send a final transcript to a non-ED school? Would the counselor even be notified of acceptance to ED school ?

My DS graduated from an MCPS school and was accepted to college ED. He had to request his final transcript for his ED school. The school did not know he had been admitted. I am pretty certain that the counselor would’ve sent the transcript to whichever school he put down on the form.

The counselor has to digitally sign the ED agreement in order for your kid’s application to be accepted . They most certainly are are aware of where your kid applied ED

DP. The counselor doesn't receive the decision from the ED school. Kid could just say they were denied.

And lie yet again.

Also, some schools ask for college acceptance info before issuing HS diploma.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would a public school counselor really refuse to send a final transcript to a non-ED school? Would the counselor even be notified of acceptance to ED school ?

My DS graduated from an MCPS school and was accepted to college ED. He had to request his final transcript for his ED school. The school did not know he had been admitted. I am pretty certain that the counselor would’ve sent the transcript to whichever school he put down on the form.

The counselor has to digitally sign the ED agreement in order for your kid’s application to be accepted . They most certainly are are aware of where your kid applied ED

DP. The counselor doesn't receive the decision from the ED school. Kid could just say they were denied.

So you not only want your kid to lie to colleges, but also their own high school counselor? Are they also lying to all their friends? Because kids talk.

This isn't about my kid and I'm not defending the practice. I'm just saying that the counselor might not know the kid was accepted.

As a practical matter, one wonders what happens in, say, February when the kid hasn't enrolled at an ED1 school, does the college reach out to the high school counselor.

Schools require enrollment deposit shortly after ED acceptance. I don’t know anyone who has broken an agreement, but they would have had to pay this and presumably forfeited it if attending a different school.

[Anonymous]

Our kid’s school makes you withdraw other applications as soon as you get your ED results.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Our kid’s school makes you withdraw other applications as soon as you get your ED results.

They all do. That’s sort of the point of this thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Our kid’s school makes you withdraw other applications as soon as you get your ED results.

Do you mean high school?

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Anonymous wrote:So much speculation. The ethics brigade would like it to be true that the school or student faces repercussions for backing out of an ED. This is not the case. Everyone we know that has backed out of ED acceptances for a better school have done so successfully. I’ve never heard of any school tell a student they shouldn’t apply ED to a school because a kid backed out the year before. I’ve never seen a school refuse to release a transcript.

I don't think you understand ethics. It's not about repercussions, it's about integrity. Get some.

Don't lie and make your counselor lie on an ED agreement if you don't intend to abide.

It's a business deal, one of the largest ones that most people will ever make on their own behalf. People back out of deals all for better deals all the time. Fortunately there is a contract in place and the aggrevied party is free to exercise rights under the contract. That's the remedy. They don't because everyone involved knows the contracts are worthless.

+1. And colleges will never sue to enforce an ED agreement. Because they don’t want an adverse ruling. Which thy probably would get.

They don’t need to sue, they can just inform the other school. Acceptances get rescinded with frequency these days for many reasons. And they can also punish the high school by blackballing them for a few cycles,

If I’m a kid with the option to head to a T10, why do I care that my former school is being blackballed? It’s colleges punishing the wrong people.

And how many acceptances get rescinded for ED violations? I’ve seen several ED violations. Never seen a rescission. Sounds like an urban legend to me.

Because you are a person with ethics and empathy who just might give a shit about someone other than solely themselves?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So much speculation. The ethics brigade would like it to be true that the school or student faces repercussions for backing out of an ED. This is not the case. Everyone we know that has backed out of ED acceptances for a better school have done so successfully. I’ve never heard of any school tell a student they shouldn’t apply ED to a school because a kid backed out the year before. I’ve never seen a school refuse to release a transcript.

I don't think you understand ethics. It's not about repercussions, it's about integrity. Get some.

Don't lie and make your counselor lie on an ED agreement if you don't intend to abide.

It's a business deal, one of the largest ones that most people will ever make on their own behalf. People back out of deals all for better deals all the time. Fortunately there is a contract in place and the aggrevied party is free to exercise rights under the contract. That's the remedy. They don't because everyone involved knows the contracts are worthless.

You really don't understand ethics.

+1

Also, most business deals have consequences for backing out. Agree to purchase a home, and if you back out for no acceptable reason, the seller gets to keep your earnest money, not to mention the local real estate market will learn about how unethical you are and tell other sellers not to sell to you---not worth the hassle of you potentially backing out, even if they get to keep the money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DC’s private had a case a few years ago where a kid was accepted into a t10 via ED. Everyone knew about the school and the ED acceptance. However in the Spring, the kid started sporting gear with from another, higher ranking T10 school. The kid even updated social media w the new T10 acceptance. DC came home w the story and the only thing we can deduce is that kid didn’t honor the ED agreement.

At graduation, a different school (T75-T100) was listed under that kid’s name as the attending school. My guess is that the ED school sent word around and the kid had to find a new “home”.

Awesome!!! As it should be! If you want to play the ED game (and get the benefit of a slightly better acceptance rate), you have to fully play the game and attend that school. Otherwise other Top schools should not honor your acceptance due to violation of ethics/moral clause.

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Anonymous wrote:Make ED illegal. Vast majority of parents who have gone through admissions would support this. And yet Congress remains feckless…thanks DC.

Who are these "vast majority of parents"? I certainly am not, with 2 ED admits which made the whole process much easier.

ED admittedly helps the school more than the kids but it does help them if they know their first choice. It's the best way to show demonstrated interest. If it is a clear first choice, and you have run the NPC and can afford the school, there is no risk and only gain to apply ED.

It helps rich families most of all.

We’re a middle-income family and we would never be able to let our kid apply ED because finances are always going to be a top consideration for us. And so schools that fill most of their incoming class with kids who applied ED—even schools that are otherwise a fit—are probably off the table for our kid.

I realize this is obvious to a lot of parents. But I explained it to a wealthy friend the other day whose three kids all applied ED and she genuinely appeared to have never considered it.

I'm sure there are plenty of other things that your wealthy friend has never had to consider as well. Unless you grew up poor/MC, it's hard to understand what life is truly like.

[Anonymous]

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A dean of admissions for a liberal arts college in New England told the Wall Street Journal that their school shares applicant information - including their name, home state and application-identification number - with 20 other schools that offer early decision.

When an applicant applies to more than one school early decision, one of the schools will withdraw the student's application, the dean told the Wall Street Journal.

https://www.masslive.com/news/2018/04/amherst_williams_colleges_unde.html

IMO, all schools should withdraw them and not allow them to apply RD either. Plenty of other excellent students who have ethics they can select from.

[Anonymous]

Does ED bind you for all four years or can you transfer?