Anyone been reimbursed yet from FCPS?

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Anonymous wrote:To clarify your point- that was For a very small number of students with very severe disabilities. The bulk of FCPS families asking for reimbursement and services have children do not have children with those severe disabilities (e.g. ID, PSCB services). Most FCPS families asking for reimbursement or services are indeed milking this to their own advantage- and no- other families across the country and in other counties did not sue and are not doing the same. Let alone complaining that their reimbursements are taking too long. SMH.

Someone back in this thread had a kid who sat out of school for like 3 years because FCPS FAILED to meet their legal obligation to educate him, and all they are asking for is compensatory speech therapy. He didn't go to school for three years at all because they couldn't find a seat for him anywhere. No education. I can't believe any one would have an issue with that. (FCPS saves a fortune on not paying for him for three years as well.)

It amazes me that people have an issue with a situation like this. FCPS provided no education for three years, the family asked for speech therapy compensation (presumably b/c he was supposed to be getting hours of speech from FCPS for three years on an IEP that was never implemented b/c the child was not in school). This family didn't sue. They just were trying for years to support a child with severe needs in severe crisis with no education from FCPS. FCPS called a meeting and said, what would be fair to reimburse? And people are posting that this family is unreasonable, greedy blah blah blah. FCPS saved a ton of money by not sending this kid to school for three years.

The govt investigated FCPS. This isn't the result of "greedy" families suing.

Your facts are out of context. I think the child did not get educated because outside/private placements (which the child needed) refused to accept the student due to COVID. This is an extremely rare situation, and does not represent the majority of families who sought reimbursement or compensatory services. I am not talking about cases like this. I am talking about families wanting their "social skills hours" or "speech therapy for the R sound" or "special education time in the general education seting." Individuals could not go to the doctor, get medical procedures, or even have surgery- for months!- and people are worried about some missed social skills hours or articulation therapy hours or few hours of math tutor? Unreasonable. Taking advantage of the system and hurting the system, because they are only looking out for themselves and nickeling and diming FCPS because they can.

For a teacher, you are very uninformed (and seem determined not to become informed). Someone who worked for MAS posted that in non-Covid times, their office routinely had dozens of kids completely out of school for very long stretches of time because there were no seats in schools for them (do you even know what MAS does? they work with the most difficult, complicated disabled kids).

In Covid times, that number could easily have doubled or tripled. Let's be conservative and say there were 100 kids in a similar situation to pp's son (the one out of school for 3 years). So that right there is 100 kids who have a clear legal case against FCPS for denial of education even in a universe without the OCR settlement. (The vast vast vast majority of MAS FCPS special ed families do not sue or go to due process. They are just trying to keep their heads above water with kids who have very, very severe needs.) FCPS *admitted* to denial of FAPE for a subset of special ed kids. Some very small groups of families are getting small amounts of reimbursement.

A kid is totally out of school for three years and FCPS is (only) paying for ST (to make up for three years of LOST time) and that sends you into a frothing, rabid rage? I think you are in the wrong field.

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I think the nutter posting is actually a Gatehouse employee. The lack of critical thinking and rage points to someone who had a cushy do-nothing job and is now being forced to help process paperwork or something.

Its a little disturbing to think someone with so much vitriol towards disabled children works for our school system in any capacity.

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I heard from a principal friend that a few people at Gatehouse were temporarily re-assigned to the special ed superintendent's office to assist with this backlog AND the work must be done in-office for some reason and people are pissed bc MANY Gatehouse employees almost 100% work from home.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the nutter posting is actually a Gatehouse employee. The lack of critical thinking and rage points to someone who had a cushy do-nothing job and is now being forced to help process paperwork or something.

Its a little disturbing to think someone with so much vitriol towards disabled children works for our school system in any capacity.

You must be new to FCPS special education.

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There is likely a great deal of inconsistency with what was approved and not approved across the county. If they get audited on this, there will be a lot of problems to rectify.

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Anonymous wrote:There is likely a great deal of inconsistency with what was approved and not approved across the county. If they get audited on this, there will be a lot of problems to rectify.

And it is going to cause even more work for staff due to all of the appeals. I anticipate a ton of requests for mediated IEPs.

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Anonymous wrote:To clarify your point- that was For a very small number of students with very severe disabilities. The bulk of FCPS families asking for reimbursement and services have children do not have children with those severe disabilities (e.g. ID, PSCB services). Most FCPS families asking for reimbursement or services are indeed milking this to their own advantage- and no- other families across the country and in other counties did not sue and are not doing the same. Let alone complaining that their reimbursements are taking too long. SMH.

Where's your proof for that statement? 6000 current and former students were deemed by their IEP teams to qualify for compensatory services. Only a small number of those 6000 are getting any kind of financial compensation whatsoever.

People in this thread have specified what FCPS has agreed to reimburse for. Which of those requests do you think is unreasonable?

This makes me laugh out loud....FCPS wanted to put this huge burden on top of teachers shoulders and repeatedly refused to oversee or answer important questions in true FCPS style. It was a dumpster fire process.

Agree. FCPS dumped this on schools, teachers, and IEP families with a crazy deadline and they all got the meetings done and came to agreements on what would be fair with very little guidance. Families guessed on what would be appropriate to request and teachers guessed on what would be approved.

And with all the extra time consuming meetings and paperwork guess who lost out on time with their teachers the kids.

And how is that the families' fault? We were told to attend a meeting. No one sued FCPS. The federal govt investigated them. Not sure why some of you are so determined to villainize disabled dc and their families.

Oh please....read and understand you all are complaining that kids lost time well IEP meeting after IEP meeting takes time away from kids. Sorry that you aren't getting it. Meanwhile there are a ton of people sitting at desks in central office. IT should NOT have been case managers in those meetings....It should have been overseen by SPED higher ups and lawyers. FCPS offered no support or guidance to teachers and now teams will have to meet again. It's ridiculous this should not have been put on case managers shoulders. Why are you so hell bent on villianizing SPED teachers? See how that also works. Very egocentric aren't you?

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Anonymous wrote:Notice area counties are not “reimbursing” or “compensating.” Why aren't London County Schools, Arlington County Schools, Alexandria City Schools, Falls Church Schools being audited by OCR? They did the same thing as FCPS during the pandemic ! Its because 1) some of the FCPS parents are special and overly litigious about their rights and 2) OCR only needs to make an example of 1-4 to set a precedent for how education handles the next pandemic or disaster.

Any parent taking FCPS reimbursement or compensatory services has no respect from me. I see you is freeloading inconsiderate humans who only care about yourself. You are hurting the FCPS schools and families. It’s try terrible that you go online and complain that your reimbursement's (which you do not deserve) are not happening fast enough.

Oh dear. How will I sleep at night? You sound unhinged. And honestly, like you are jealous???? of families with severely disabled kids getting reimbursed for a handful of therapy appointments or getting a few extra after school math tutoring sessions. BFD. Seriously, you need anger management therapy or a gratitude journal or something.

Oh dear. You are clearly in denial and lack any perspective. You are missing the point and you lack the ability to see the other side of this situation, and how other school systems (who handled covid similarly) were asked to respond post-pandemic. You lack the facts and knowledge to realize that MANY of the families who are getting reimbursed or getting compensatory services, do NOT have children with SEVERE disabilities. You are one of those taking advantage of tax payer dollars and resources...and then spew skewed facts, details out of context, and refuse to be reasonable to justify your unreasonable behavior that impacts OTHER CHILDREN, staff, and the system.

The education of ALL CHILDREN (disabled or not) across the WORLD were impacted. What do they get? Go ahead and take money and services and resources from them that don't exist. Go ahead and keep complaining and justifying your behavior as "your right." Go ahead and keep hating the school system and bashing the school professionals. Keep bashing employees online. Don't be surprised when the employees then have the same hostility and resentment. Don't cll us "unhinged" and your own behavior acceptable. Such a double standard, but what else is new.

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You keep repeating yourself over and over. Where's the proof of this?

Oh, interesting. The unhinged posted is an angry teacher. I assumed it was some weirdly confused parent who just doesn't understand special education.

This is crazy that this person actually educates children. I don't care what the teacher shortage is. Someone like this needs to be removed from teaching. Absolutely sick behavior.

LOL "removed" honey no one wants to teach anymore. Maybe you should homeschool.

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Anonymous wrote:Notice area counties are not “reimbursing” or “compensating.” Why aren't London County Schools, Arlington County Schools, Alexandria City Schools, Falls Church Schools being audited by OCR? They did the same thing as FCPS during the pandemic ! Its because 1) some of the FCPS parents are special and overly litigious about their rights and 2) OCR only needs to make an example of 1-4 to set a precedent for how education handles the next pandemic or disaster.

Any parent taking FCPS reimbursement or compensatory services has no respect from me. I see you is freeloading inconsiderate humans who only care about yourself. You are hurting the FCPS schools and families. It’s try terrible that you go online and complain that your reimbursement's (which you do not deserve) are not happening fast enough.

Oh dear. How will I sleep at night? You sound unhinged. And honestly, like you are jealous???? of families with severely disabled kids getting reimbursed for a handful of therapy appointments or getting a few extra after school math tutoring sessions. BFD. Seriously, you need anger management therapy or a gratitude journal or something.

Oh dear. You are clearly in denial and lack any perspective. You are missing the point and you lack the ability to see the other side of this situation, and how other school systems (who handled covid similarly) were asked to respond post-pandemic. You lack the facts and knowledge to realize that MANY of the families who are getting reimbursed or getting compensatory services, do NOT have children with SEVERE disabilities. You are one of those taking advantage of tax payer dollars and resources...and then spew skewed facts, details out of context, and refuse to be reasonable to justify your unreasonable behavior that impacts OTHER CHILDREN, staff, and the system.

The education of ALL CHILDREN (disabled or not) across the WORLD were impacted. What do they get? Go ahead and take money and services and resources from them that don't exist. Go ahead and keep complaining and justifying your behavior as "your right." Go ahead and keep hating the school system and bashing the school professionals. Keep bashing employees online. Don't be surprised when the employees then have the same hostility and resentment. Don't cll us "unhinged" and your own behavior acceptable. Such a double standard, but what else is new.

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You keep repeating yourself over and over. Where's the proof of this?

Oh, interesting. The unhinged posted is an angry teacher. I assumed it was some weirdly confused parent who just doesn't understand special education.

This is crazy that this person actually educates children. I don't care what the teacher shortage is. Someone like this needs to be removed from teaching. Absolutely sick behavior.

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You sounds out of touch with reality...and sick yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:To clarify your point- that was For a very small number of students with very severe disabilities. The bulk of FCPS families asking for reimbursement and services have children do not have children with those severe disabilities (e.g. ID, PSCB services). Most FCPS families asking for reimbursement or services are indeed milking this to their own advantage- and no- other families across the country and in other counties did not sue and are not doing the same. Let alone complaining that their reimbursements are taking too long. SMH.

Where's your proof for that statement? 6000 current and former students were deemed by their IEP teams to qualify for compensatory services. Only a small number of those 6000 are getting any kind of financial compensation whatsoever.

People in this thread have specified what FCPS has agreed to reimburse for. Which of those requests do you think is unreasonable?

This makes me laugh out loud....FCPS wanted to put this huge burden on top of teachers shoulders and repeatedly refused to oversee or answer important questions in true FCPS style. It was a dumpster fire process.

Agree. FCPS dumped this on schools, teachers, and IEP families with a crazy deadline and they all got the meetings done and came to agreements on what would be fair with very little guidance. Families guessed on what would be appropriate to request and teachers guessed on what would be approved.

And with all the extra time consuming meetings and paperwork guess who lost out on time with their teachers the kids.

And how is that the families' fault? We were told to attend a meeting. No one sued FCPS. The federal govt investigated them. Not sure why some of you are so determined to villainize disabled dc and their families.

Oh please....read and understand you all are complaining that kids lost time well IEP meeting after IEP meeting takes time away from kids. Sorry that you aren't getting it. Meanwhile there are a ton of people sitting at desks in central office. IT should NOT have been case managers in those meetings....It should have been overseen by SPED higher ups and lawyers. FCPS offered no support or guidance to teachers and now teams will have to meet again. It's ridiculous this should not have been put on case managers shoulders. Why are you so hell bent on villianizing SPED teachers? See how that also works. Very egocentric aren't you?

You are rabidly attacking families. Families did what they were told to do by FCPS-attend a meeting and discuss compensatory services. Families didn't ask for FCPS to break the law OR to enter into a settlement admitting that they broke the law with Dept of Education. You should be angry with your employer, not the children you are supposed to be education. Families didn't ask for meetings.

Who is telling you to meet again to discuss services? That's not part of the process laid out in the settlement agreement. Have a meeting, agree on services or reimbursement, send receipts into Gatehouse. Your part was done in spring.

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Still waiting for the crazy poster's "proof" that its not kids with "SEVERE disabilities" being compensated. Nor her explanation of what is a "severe" disability that, in her mind, would be reasonable to receive a tutoring reimbursement or an extra session of speech therapy. Is "severity" defined by number of special education hours?

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I’m a special education teacher. Nearly every request for compensation was super fair and reasonable. One parent asked to be compensated at their hourly rate (making sure to share how high it is) because they had to work with their child while they were also working from home. We laughed at that one- that’s not a unique problem to a special education child and was an unfortunate Covid reality.

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Anonymous wrote:To clarify your point- that was For a very small number of students with very severe disabilities. The bulk of FCPS families asking for reimbursement and services have children do not have children with those severe disabilities (e.g. ID, PSCB services). Most FCPS families asking for reimbursement or services are indeed milking this to their own advantage- and no- other families across the country and in other counties did not sue and are not doing the same. Let alone complaining that their reimbursements are taking too long. SMH.

Where's your proof for that statement? 6000 current and former students were deemed by their IEP teams to qualify for compensatory services. Only a small number of those 6000 are getting any kind of financial compensation whatsoever.

People in this thread have specified what FCPS has agreed to reimburse for. Which of those requests do you think is unreasonable?

This makes me laugh out loud....FCPS wanted to put this huge burden on top of teachers shoulders and repeatedly refused to oversee or answer important questions in true FCPS style. It was a dumpster fire process.

Agree. FCPS dumped this on schools, teachers, and IEP families with a crazy deadline and they all got the meetings done and came to agreements on what would be fair with very little guidance. Families guessed on what would be appropriate to request and teachers guessed on what would be approved.

And with all the extra time consuming meetings and paperwork guess who lost out on time with their teachers the kids.

And how is that the families' fault? We were told to attend a meeting. No one sued FCPS. The federal govt investigated them. Not sure why some of you are so determined to villainize disabled dc and their families.

Oh please....read and understand you all are complaining that kids lost time well IEP meeting after IEP meeting takes time away from kids. Sorry that you aren't getting it. Meanwhile there are a ton of people sitting at desks in central office. IT should NOT have been case managers in those meetings....It should have been overseen by SPED higher ups and lawyers. FCPS offered no support or guidance to teachers and now teams will have to meet again. It's ridiculous this should not have been put on case managers shoulders. Why are you so hell bent on villianizing SPED teachers? See how that also works. Very egocentric aren't you?

You are rabidly attacking families. Families did what they were told to do by FCPS-attend a meeting and discuss compensatory services. Families didn't ask for FCPS to break the law OR to enter into a settlement admitting that they broke the law with Dept of Education. You should be angry with your employer, not the children you are supposed to be education. Families didn't ask for meetings.

Who is telling you to meet again to discuss services? That's not part of the process laid out in the settlement agreement. Have a meeting, agree on services or reimbursement, send receipts into Gatehouse. Your part was done in spring.

extremely out of touch.

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Anonymous wrote:There is likely a great deal of inconsistency with what was approved and not approved across the county. If they get audited on this, there will be a lot of problems to rectify.

And it is going to cause even more work for staff due to all of the appeals. I anticipate a ton of requests for mediated IEPs.

This!

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Anonymous wrote:To clarify your point- that was For a very small number of students with very severe disabilities. The bulk of FCPS families asking for reimbursement and services have children do not have children with those severe disabilities (e.g. ID, PSCB services). Most FCPS families asking for reimbursement or services are indeed milking this to their own advantage- and no- other families across the country and in other counties did not sue and are not doing the same. Let alone complaining that their reimbursements are taking too long. SMH.

Where's your proof for that statement? 6000 current and former students were deemed by their IEP teams to qualify for compensatory services. Only a small number of those 6000 are getting any kind of financial compensation whatsoever.

People in this thread have specified what FCPS has agreed to reimburse for. Which of those requests do you think is unreasonable?

This makes me laugh out loud....FCPS wanted to put this huge burden on top of teachers shoulders and repeatedly refused to oversee or answer important questions in true FCPS style. It was a dumpster fire process.

Agree. FCPS dumped this on schools, teachers, and IEP families with a crazy deadline and they all got the meetings done and came to agreements on what would be fair with very little guidance. Families guessed on what would be appropriate to request and teachers guessed on what would be approved.

And with all the extra time consuming meetings and paperwork guess who lost out on time with their teachers the kids.

And how is that the families' fault? We were told to attend a meeting. No one sued FCPS. The federal govt investigated them. Not sure why some of you are so determined to villainize disabled dc and their families.

Oh please....read and understand you all are complaining that kids lost time well IEP meeting after IEP meeting takes time away from kids. Sorry that you aren't getting it. Meanwhile there are a ton of people sitting at desks in central office. IT should NOT have been case managers in those meetings....It should have been overseen by SPED higher ups and lawyers. FCPS offered no support or guidance to teachers and now teams will have to meet again. It's ridiculous this should not have been put on case managers shoulders. Why are you so hell bent on villianizing SPED teachers? See how that also works. Very egocentric aren't you?

You are rabidly attacking families. Families did what they were told to do by FCPS-attend a meeting and discuss compensatory services. Families didn't ask for FCPS to break the law OR to enter into a settlement admitting that they broke the law with Dept of Education. You should be angry with your employer, not the children you are supposed to be education. Families didn't ask for meetings.

Who is telling you to meet again to discuss services? That's not part of the process laid out in the settlement agreement. Have a meeting, agree on services or reimbursement, send receipts into Gatehouse. Your part was done in spring.

Teachers part went right up to summer-it was a lot and there was little oversight from FCPS central office. Not everything is about you being a victim. Stick with what you know-your situation with your child.