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jsteele wrote:I got tired of removing posts that I considered hateful from that thread. Of course, the authors of those posts will deny that they are hateful because they obviously believe that calling trans women men and accusing them of having mental health issues are just differences of opinion. But, I don't find such posts acceptable.

Every trans-related thread here ultimately goes the same way. It's just too much effort to try to keep the threads civil.

My kid has identified as trans. He most definitely has mental health issues, diagnosed well before. OCD and on the spectrum. What's cruel is the medical community and trans community preying on him, determined to separate him from a family who has always been his advocate.

Yes, you have been repeating this non-stop. It is very clear that you are not willing to accept your child's trans identity and prefer to view them as mentally ill and a victim of groomers. That is not a healthy attitude and, as you are seeing, the results are not good. I hope that your child will find love and support from those who truly are their advocate.

Jeff do you honestly believe that you know more about this posters situation and family, than she herself does?

Yes he does. That’s the arrogance of leftism. He also thinks he knows more than an MD, apparently

Did a MD diagnose your child as not trans?

Also, for the sake of clarification, could you clarify whether the child we are discussing is a pre-teen, a teen, or a young adult?

Yes, the MD did indeed.

The MD diagnosed your kid as “not transgender”?

There is no formal diagnosis, like you can get with cancer. That’s the problem. The psychiatrist stated that true transgenderism expresses itself so early in childhood that it can’t be hidden, and oftentimes, they find those people are gay as adults, which is just fine. The idea of being in the wrong body never presented itself in my kid until it became a ‘thing’ in the schools and on the internet. It’s very ‘popular’ with neurodivergent kids and kids with OCD, because you get an automatic support team, often from the same kids that bullied you. Very powerful. Psych. said the problem is the blind positive reinforcement kids are being given by some of the medical community and therapists. Say you are trans and you are trans. It’s one thing entertaining an idea. It’s another thing when the medical community adds drugs and surgery early on in the game. My kid showed all signs of OCD thinking to the psychiatrist when discussing transgender feelings, and could not tell why without constant reference to internet memes, sites, politics, etc. It was a “I just realized this is probably why I….”

As you will notice in this thread, transgender activists go right to name and shame of parents. They know nothing about the individual child’s background, nothing about the family, nothing about the child’s medical history. This is by design. If you can pull the child from the nuclear family and into their ‘supportive arms’, it serves a double purpose: a new member of the team and the destruction of the nuclear family. At the same time, make sure you batter the parent with ‘your child will kill themselves if you don’t affirm’, because by doing so, you can potentially get three new members, or more, in the case of a blended family! It’s not about the individual child’s needs - it’s about the movement. Even the most liberal studies show true transgenderism is between .5 and .8% of the population. We are seeing conversions now in droves.

My mother was diagnosed with Parkinson's. Did you know there is also no test for Parkinson's? You know it through a collection of symptoms and observable things.

I'm curious how your child's OCD was diagnosed, too. Probably in the same way.

Was your mother diagnosed as transgender as a cause for her Parkinsons? Curious

No one is diagnosed as trans since it's not a mental illness or a disorder. People identify as trans and you just have to believe them. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

Giving medication to, and surgery to, kids and people who just identify as something is scary stuff. If someone identifies as a blind person, should the surgeon take out their eyes?

Why is it scary?

Do you believe a surgeon should surgically blind a man because he identifies as blind?

I think it's very telling that you think trans people are maiming themselves by taking hormones or removing their breasts. I see now why you are so scared. You don't view them as a complete person if they undergo a change.

Answer the question.

That's an easy yes. But you think you somehow stumped me with your question. Because it is inconceivable to you that people can whatever the hell they want with their bodies. I also support doctor-assisted suicide, am against the death penalty though (I know, mind blown), and don't care one bit if anyone wants a boob job or a tummy tuck.

Now you? Why do you think that trans people are maiming themselves if they have gender-affirming surgery?

Is it ethical for the surgeon to deliberately blind someone when they know that person is suffering from mental illness?

Well since I and the medical community do not think that transgenderism is a mental illness, your question is comparing apples and oranges.

NP. Sincere question here. If it isn't a mental illness, then what is it? Is it considered a physical illness? If it's not an illness, why the need for gender affirming "healthcare" that is covered by health insurance and includes drastic surgeries and life altering medications?

We don’t need any of those things to identify as transgender. People are transgender before they have the surgery or hormone replacement therapy.

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jsteele wrote:I got tired of removing posts that I considered hateful from that thread. Of course, the authors of those posts will deny that they are hateful because they obviously believe that calling trans women men and accusing them of having mental health issues are just differences of opinion. But, I don't find such posts acceptable.

Every trans-related thread here ultimately goes the same way. It's just too much effort to try to keep the threads civil.

My kid has identified as trans. He most definitely has mental health issues, diagnosed well before. OCD and on the spectrum. What's cruel is the medical community and trans community preying on him, determined to separate him from a family who has always been his advocate.

Yes, you have been repeating this non-stop. It is very clear that you are not willing to accept your child's trans identity and prefer to view them as mentally ill and a victim of groomers. That is not a healthy attitude and, as you are seeing, the results are not good. I hope that your child will find love and support from those who truly are their advocate.

Jeff do you honestly believe that you know more about this posters situation and family, than she herself does?

Yes he does. That’s the arrogance of leftism. He also thinks he knows more than an MD, apparently

Did a MD diagnose your child as not trans?

Also, for the sake of clarification, could you clarify whether the child we are discussing is a pre-teen, a teen, or a young adult?

Yes, the MD did indeed.

The MD diagnosed your kid as “not transgender”?

There is no formal diagnosis, like you can get with cancer. That’s the problem. The psychiatrist stated that true transgenderism expresses itself so early in childhood that it can’t be hidden, and oftentimes, they find those people are gay as adults, which is just fine. The idea of being in the wrong body never presented itself in my kid until it became a ‘thing’ in the schools and on the internet. It’s very ‘popular’ with neurodivergent kids and kids with OCD, because you get an automatic support team, often from the same kids that bullied you. Very powerful. Psych. said the problem is the blind positive reinforcement kids are being given by some of the medical community and therapists. Say you are trans and you are trans. It’s one thing entertaining an idea. It’s another thing when the medical community adds drugs and surgery early on in the game. My kid showed all signs of OCD thinking to the psychiatrist when discussing transgender feelings, and could not tell why without constant reference to internet memes, sites, politics, etc. It was a “I just realized this is probably why I….”

As you will notice in this thread, transgender activists go right to name and shame of parents. They know nothing about the individual child’s background, nothing about the family, nothing about the child’s medical history. This is by design. If you can pull the child from the nuclear family and into their ‘supportive arms’, it serves a double purpose: a new member of the team and the destruction of the nuclear family. At the same time, make sure you batter the parent with ‘your child will kill themselves if you don’t affirm’, because by doing so, you can potentially get three new members, or more, in the case of a blended family! It’s not about the individual child’s needs - it’s about the movement. Even the most liberal studies show true transgenderism is between .5 and .8% of the population. We are seeing conversions now in droves.

My mother was diagnosed with Parkinson's. Did you know there is also no test for Parkinson's? You know it through a collection of symptoms and observable things.

I'm curious how your child's OCD was diagnosed, too. Probably in the same way.

Was your mother diagnosed as transgender as a cause for her Parkinsons? Curious

No one is diagnosed as trans since it's not a mental illness or a disorder. People identify as trans and you just have to believe them. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

Giving medication to, and surgery to, kids and people who just identify as something is scary stuff. If someone identifies as a blind person, should the surgeon take out their eyes?

Why is it scary?

Do you believe a surgeon should surgically blind a man because he identifies as blind?

I think it's very telling that you think trans people are maiming themselves by taking hormones or removing their breasts. I see now why you are so scared. You don't view them as a complete person if they undergo a change.

Answer the question.

That's an easy yes. But you think you somehow stumped me with your question. Because it is inconceivable to you that people can whatever the hell they want with their bodies. I also support doctor-assisted suicide, am against the death penalty though (I know, mind blown), and don't care one bit if anyone wants a boob job or a tummy tuck.

Now you? Why do you think that trans people are maiming themselves if they have gender-affirming surgery?

Is it ethical for the surgeon to deliberately blind someone when they know that person is suffering from mental illness?

Well since I and the medical community do not think that transgenderism is a mental illness, your question is comparing apples and oranges.

NP. Sincere question here. If it isn't a mental illness, then what is it? Is it considered a physical illness? If it's not an illness, why the need for gender affirming "healthcare" that is covered by health insurance and includes drastic surgeries and life altering medications?

We don’t need any of those things to identify as transgender. People are transgender before they have the surgery or hormone replacement therapy.

Okay. If transgender people do not have an illness, do you question the routine medicalization of transgenderism? Should it be considered healthcare?

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jsteele wrote:I got tired of removing posts that I considered hateful from that thread. Of course, the authors of those posts will deny that they are hateful because they obviously believe that calling trans women men and accusing them of having mental health issues are just differences of opinion. But, I don't find such posts acceptable.

Every trans-related thread here ultimately goes the same way. It's just too much effort to try to keep the threads civil.

My kid has identified as trans. He most definitely has mental health issues, diagnosed well before. OCD and on the spectrum. What's cruel is the medical community and trans community preying on him, determined to separate him from a family who has always been his advocate.

Yes, you have been repeating this non-stop. It is very clear that you are not willing to accept your child's trans identity and prefer to view them as mentally ill and a victim of groomers. That is not a healthy attitude and, as you are seeing, the results are not good. I hope that your child will find love and support from those who truly are their advocate.

Jeff do you honestly believe that you know more about this posters situation and family, than she herself does?

Yes he does. That’s the arrogance of leftism. He also thinks he knows more than an MD, apparently

Did a MD diagnose your child as not trans?

Also, for the sake of clarification, could you clarify whether the child we are discussing is a pre-teen, a teen, or a young adult?

Yes, the MD did indeed.

The MD diagnosed your kid as “not transgender”?

There is no formal diagnosis, like you can get with cancer. That’s the problem. The psychiatrist stated that true transgenderism expresses itself so early in childhood that it can’t be hidden, and oftentimes, they find those people are gay as adults, which is just fine. The idea of being in the wrong body never presented itself in my kid until it became a ‘thing’ in the schools and on the internet. It’s very ‘popular’ with neurodivergent kids and kids with OCD, because you get an automatic support team, often from the same kids that bullied you. Very powerful. Psych. said the problem is the blind positive reinforcement kids are being given by some of the medical community and therapists. Say you are trans and you are trans. It’s one thing entertaining an idea. It’s another thing when the medical community adds drugs and surgery early on in the game. My kid showed all signs of OCD thinking to the psychiatrist when discussing transgender feelings, and could not tell why without constant reference to internet memes, sites, politics, etc. It was a “I just realized this is probably why I….”

As you will notice in this thread, transgender activists go right to name and shame of parents. They know nothing about the individual child’s background, nothing about the family, nothing about the child’s medical history. This is by design. If you can pull the child from the nuclear family and into their ‘supportive arms’, it serves a double purpose: a new member of the team and the destruction of the nuclear family. At the same time, make sure you batter the parent with ‘your child will kill themselves if you don’t affirm’, because by doing so, you can potentially get three new members, or more, in the case of a blended family! It’s not about the individual child’s needs - it’s about the movement. Even the most liberal studies show true transgenderism is between .5 and .8% of the population. We are seeing conversions now in droves.

My mother was diagnosed with Parkinson's. Did you know there is also no test for Parkinson's? You know it through a collection of symptoms and observable things.

I'm curious how your child's OCD was diagnosed, too. Probably in the same way.

Was your mother diagnosed as transgender as a cause for her Parkinsons? Curious

No one is diagnosed as trans since it's not a mental illness or a disorder. People identify as trans and you just have to believe them. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

Giving medication to, and surgery to, kids and people who just identify as something is scary stuff. If someone identifies as a blind person, should the surgeon take out their eyes?

Why is it scary?

Do you believe a surgeon should surgically blind a man because he identifies as blind?

I think it's very telling that you think trans people are maiming themselves by taking hormones or removing their breasts. I see now why you are so scared. You don't view them as a complete person if they undergo a change.

Answer the question.

That's an easy yes. But you think you somehow stumped me with your question. Because it is inconceivable to you that people can whatever the hell they want with their bodies. I also support doctor-assisted suicide, am against the death penalty though (I know, mind blown), and don't care one bit if anyone wants a boob job or a tummy tuck.

Now you? Why do you think that trans people are maiming themselves if they have gender-affirming surgery?

Is it ethical for the surgeon to deliberately blind someone when they know that person is suffering from mental illness?

Well since I and the medical community do not think that transgenderism is a mental illness, your question is comparing apples and oranges.

NP. Sincere question here. If it isn't a mental illness, then what is it? Is it considered a physical illness? If it's not an illness, why the need for gender affirming "healthcare" that is covered by health insurance and includes drastic surgeries and life altering medications?

We don’t need any of those things to identify as transgender. People are transgender before they have the surgery or hormone replacement therapy.

Okay. If transgender people do not have an illness, do you question the routine medicalization of transgenderism? Should it be considered healthcare?

Of course it should. Healthcare is not just for sick people.

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jsteele wrote:I got tired of removing posts that I considered hateful from that thread. Of course, the authors of those posts will deny that they are hateful because they obviously believe that calling trans women men and accusing them of having mental health issues are just differences of opinion. But, I don't find such posts acceptable.

Every trans-related thread here ultimately goes the same way. It's just too much effort to try to keep the threads civil.

My kid has identified as trans. He most definitely has mental health issues, diagnosed well before. OCD and on the spectrum. What's cruel is the medical community and trans community preying on him, determined to separate him from a family who has always been his advocate.

Yes, you have been repeating this non-stop. It is very clear that you are not willing to accept your child's trans identity and prefer to view them as mentally ill and a victim of groomers. That is not a healthy attitude and, as you are seeing, the results are not good. I hope that your child will find love and support from those who truly are their advocate.

Jeff do you honestly believe that you know more about this posters situation and family, than she herself does?

Yes he does. That’s the arrogance of leftism. He also thinks he knows more than an MD, apparently

Did a MD diagnose your child as not trans?

Also, for the sake of clarification, could you clarify whether the child we are discussing is a pre-teen, a teen, or a young adult?

Yes, the MD did indeed.

The MD diagnosed your kid as “not transgender”?

There is no formal diagnosis, like you can get with cancer. That’s the problem. The psychiatrist stated that true transgenderism expresses itself so early in childhood that it can’t be hidden, and oftentimes, they find those people are gay as adults, which is just fine. The idea of being in the wrong body never presented itself in my kid until it became a ‘thing’ in the schools and on the internet. It’s very ‘popular’ with neurodivergent kids and kids with OCD, because you get an automatic support team, often from the same kids that bullied you. Very powerful. Psych. said the problem is the blind positive reinforcement kids are being given by some of the medical community and therapists. Say you are trans and you are trans. It’s one thing entertaining an idea. It’s another thing when the medical community adds drugs and surgery early on in the game. My kid showed all signs of OCD thinking to the psychiatrist when discussing transgender feelings, and could not tell why without constant reference to internet memes, sites, politics, etc. It was a “I just realized this is probably why I….”

As you will notice in this thread, transgender activists go right to name and shame of parents. They know nothing about the individual child’s background, nothing about the family, nothing about the child’s medical history. This is by design. If you can pull the child from the nuclear family and into their ‘supportive arms’, it serves a double purpose: a new member of the team and the destruction of the nuclear family. At the same time, make sure you batter the parent with ‘your child will kill themselves if you don’t affirm’, because by doing so, you can potentially get three new members, or more, in the case of a blended family! It’s not about the individual child’s needs - it’s about the movement. Even the most liberal studies show true transgenderism is between .5 and .8% of the population. We are seeing conversions now in droves.

My mother was diagnosed with Parkinson's. Did you know there is also no test for Parkinson's? You know it through a collection of symptoms and observable things.

I'm curious how your child's OCD was diagnosed, too. Probably in the same way.

Was your mother diagnosed as transgender as a cause for her Parkinsons? Curious

No one is diagnosed as trans since it's not a mental illness or a disorder. People identify as trans and you just have to believe them. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

Giving medication to, and surgery to, kids and people who just identify as something is scary stuff. If someone identifies as a blind person, should the surgeon take out their eyes?

Why is it scary?

Do you believe a surgeon should surgically blind a man because he identifies as blind?

I think it's very telling that you think trans people are maiming themselves by taking hormones or removing their breasts. I see now why you are so scared. You don't view them as a complete person if they undergo a change.

Answer the question.

That's an easy yes. But you think you somehow stumped me with your question. Because it is inconceivable to you that people can whatever the hell they want with their bodies. I also support doctor-assisted suicide, am against the death penalty though (I know, mind blown), and don't care one bit if anyone wants a boob job or a tummy tuck.

Now you? Why do you think that trans people are maiming themselves if they have gender-affirming surgery?

Is it ethical for the surgeon to deliberately blind someone when they know that person is suffering from mental illness?

Well since I and the medical community do not think that transgenderism is a mental illness, your question is comparing apples and oranges.

NP. Sincere question here. If it isn't a mental illness, then what is it? Is it considered a physical illness? If it's not an illness, why the need for gender affirming "healthcare" that is covered by health insurance and includes drastic surgeries and life altering medications?

We don’t need any of those things to identify as transgender. People are transgender before they have the surgery or hormone replacement therapy.

Okay. If transgender people do not have an illness, do you question the routine medicalization of transgenderism? Should it be considered healthcare?

Of course it should. Healthcare is not just for sick people.

Actually it is. By definition. There is wellcare or prevention care for healthy individuals. Typically that does not involve slicing off body parts

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jsteele wrote:I got tired of removing posts that I considered hateful from that thread. Of course, the authors of those posts will deny that they are hateful because they obviously believe that calling trans women men and accusing them of having mental health issues are just differences of opinion. But, I don't find such posts acceptable.

Every trans-related thread here ultimately goes the same way. It's just too much effort to try to keep the threads civil.

My kid has identified as trans. He most definitely has mental health issues, diagnosed well before. OCD and on the spectrum. What's cruel is the medical community and trans community preying on him, determined to separate him from a family who has always been his advocate.

Yes, you have been repeating this non-stop. It is very clear that you are not willing to accept your child's trans identity and prefer to view them as mentally ill and a victim of groomers. That is not a healthy attitude and, as you are seeing, the results are not good. I hope that your child will find love and support from those who truly are their advocate.

Jeff do you honestly believe that you know more about this posters situation and family, than she herself does?

Yes he does. That’s the arrogance of leftism. He also thinks he knows more than an MD, apparently

Did a MD diagnose your child as not trans?

Also, for the sake of clarification, could you clarify whether the child we are discussing is a pre-teen, a teen, or a young adult?

Yes, the MD did indeed.

The MD diagnosed your kid as “not transgender”?

There is no formal diagnosis, like you can get with cancer. That’s the problem. The psychiatrist stated that true transgenderism expresses itself so early in childhood that it can’t be hidden, and oftentimes, they find those people are gay as adults, which is just fine. The idea of being in the wrong body never presented itself in my kid until it became a ‘thing’ in the schools and on the internet. It’s very ‘popular’ with neurodivergent kids and kids with OCD, because you get an automatic support team, often from the same kids that bullied you. Very powerful. Psych. said the problem is the blind positive reinforcement kids are being given by some of the medical community and therapists. Say you are trans and you are trans. It’s one thing entertaining an idea. It’s another thing when the medical community adds drugs and surgery early on in the game. My kid showed all signs of OCD thinking to the psychiatrist when discussing transgender feelings, and could not tell why without constant reference to internet memes, sites, politics, etc. It was a “I just realized this is probably why I….”

As you will notice in this thread, transgender activists go right to name and shame of parents. They know nothing about the individual child’s background, nothing about the family, nothing about the child’s medical history. This is by design. If you can pull the child from the nuclear family and into their ‘supportive arms’, it serves a double purpose: a new member of the team and the destruction of the nuclear family. At the same time, make sure you batter the parent with ‘your child will kill themselves if you don’t affirm’, because by doing so, you can potentially get three new members, or more, in the case of a blended family! It’s not about the individual child’s needs - it’s about the movement. Even the most liberal studies show true transgenderism is between .5 and .8% of the population. We are seeing conversions now in droves.

My mother was diagnosed with Parkinson's. Did you know there is also no test for Parkinson's? You know it through a collection of symptoms and observable things.

I'm curious how your child's OCD was diagnosed, too. Probably in the same way.

Was your mother diagnosed as transgender as a cause for her Parkinsons? Curious

No one is diagnosed as trans since it's not a mental illness or a disorder. People identify as trans and you just have to believe them. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

Giving medication to, and surgery to, kids and people who just identify as something is scary stuff. If someone identifies as a blind person, should the surgeon take out their eyes?

Why is it scary?

Do you believe a surgeon should surgically blind a man because he identifies as blind?

I think it's very telling that you think trans people are maiming themselves by taking hormones or removing their breasts. I see now why you are so scared. You don't view them as a complete person if they undergo a change.

Answer the question.

That's an easy yes. But you think you somehow stumped me with your question. Because it is inconceivable to you that people can whatever the hell they want with their bodies. I also support doctor-assisted suicide, am against the death penalty though (I know, mind blown), and don't care one bit if anyone wants a boob job or a tummy tuck.

Now you? Why do you think that trans people are maiming themselves if they have gender-affirming surgery?

Is it ethical for the surgeon to deliberately blind someone when they know that person is suffering from mental illness?

Well since I and the medical community do not think that transgenderism is a mental illness, your question is comparing apples and oranges.

NP. Sincere question here. If it isn't a mental illness, then what is it? Is it considered a physical illness? If it's not an illness, why the need for gender affirming "healthcare" that is covered by health insurance and includes drastic surgeries and life altering medications?

We don’t need any of those things to identify as transgender. People are transgender before they have the surgery or hormone replacement therapy.

Okay. If transgender people do not have an illness, do you question the routine medicalization of transgenderism? Should it be considered healthcare?

Of course it should. Healthcare is not just for sick people.

Actually it is. By definition. There is wellcare or prevention care for healthy individuals. Typically that does not involve slicing off body parts

Oh so we are just playing semantics now. Call it what you will. The surgery that transgender people is just as much healthcare as the mastectomies.

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jsteele wrote:I got tired of removing posts that I considered hateful from that thread. Of course, the authors of those posts will deny that they are hateful because they obviously believe that calling trans women men and accusing them of having mental health issues are just differences of opinion. But, I don't find such posts acceptable.

Every trans-related thread here ultimately goes the same way. It's just too much effort to try to keep the threads civil.

My kid has identified as trans. He most definitely has mental health issues, diagnosed well before. OCD and on the spectrum. What's cruel is the medical community and trans community preying on him, determined to separate him from a family who has always been his advocate.

Yes, you have been repeating this non-stop. It is very clear that you are not willing to accept your child's trans identity and prefer to view them as mentally ill and a victim of groomers. That is not a healthy attitude and, as you are seeing, the results are not good. I hope that your child will find love and support from those who truly are their advocate.

Jeff do you honestly believe that you know more about this posters situation and family, than she herself does?

Yes he does. That’s the arrogance of leftism. He also thinks he knows more than an MD, apparently

Did a MD diagnose your child as not trans?

Also, for the sake of clarification, could you clarify whether the child we are discussing is a pre-teen, a teen, or a young adult?

Yes, the MD did indeed.

The MD diagnosed your kid as “not transgender”?

There is no formal diagnosis, like you can get with cancer. That’s the problem. The psychiatrist stated that true transgenderism expresses itself so early in childhood that it can’t be hidden, and oftentimes, they find those people are gay as adults, which is just fine. The idea of being in the wrong body never presented itself in my kid until it became a ‘thing’ in the schools and on the internet. It’s very ‘popular’ with neurodivergent kids and kids with OCD, because you get an automatic support team, often from the same kids that bullied you. Very powerful. Psych. said the problem is the blind positive reinforcement kids are being given by some of the medical community and therapists. Say you are trans and you are trans. It’s one thing entertaining an idea. It’s another thing when the medical community adds drugs and surgery early on in the game. My kid showed all signs of OCD thinking to the psychiatrist when discussing transgender feelings, and could not tell why without constant reference to internet memes, sites, politics, etc. It was a “I just realized this is probably why I….”

As you will notice in this thread, transgender activists go right to name and shame of parents. They know nothing about the individual child’s background, nothing about the family, nothing about the child’s medical history. This is by design. If you can pull the child from the nuclear family and into their ‘supportive arms’, it serves a double purpose: a new member of the team and the destruction of the nuclear family. At the same time, make sure you batter the parent with ‘your child will kill themselves if you don’t affirm’, because by doing so, you can potentially get three new members, or more, in the case of a blended family! It’s not about the individual child’s needs - it’s about the movement. Even the most liberal studies show true transgenderism is between .5 and .8% of the population. We are seeing conversions now in droves.

My mother was diagnosed with Parkinson's. Did you know there is also no test for Parkinson's? You know it through a collection of symptoms and observable things.

I'm curious how your child's OCD was diagnosed, too. Probably in the same way.

Was your mother diagnosed as transgender as a cause for her Parkinsons? Curious

No one is diagnosed as trans since it's not a mental illness or a disorder. People identify as trans and you just have to believe them. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

Giving medication to, and surgery to, kids and people who just identify as something is scary stuff. If someone identifies as a blind person, should the surgeon take out their eyes?

Why is it scary?

Do you believe a surgeon should surgically blind a man because he identifies as blind?

I think it's very telling that you think trans people are maiming themselves by taking hormones or removing their breasts. I see now why you are so scared. You don't view them as a complete person if they undergo a change.

Answer the question.

That's an easy yes. But you think you somehow stumped me with your question. Because it is inconceivable to you that people can whatever the hell they want with their bodies. I also support doctor-assisted suicide, am against the death penalty though (I know, mind blown), and don't care one bit if anyone wants a boob job or a tummy tuck.

Now you? Why do you think that trans people are maiming themselves if they have gender-affirming surgery?

Is it ethical for the surgeon to deliberately blind someone when they know that person is suffering from mental illness?

Well since I and the medical community do not think that transgenderism is a mental illness, your question is comparing apples and oranges.

NP. Sincere question here. If it isn't a mental illness, then what is it? Is it considered a physical illness? If it's not an illness, why the need for gender affirming "healthcare" that is covered by health insurance and includes drastic surgeries and life altering medications?

We don’t need any of those things to identify as transgender. People are transgender before they have the surgery or hormone replacement therapy.

Okay. If transgender people do not have an illness, do you question the routine medicalization of transgenderism? Should it be considered healthcare?

Of course it should. Healthcare is not just for sick people.

Actually it is. By definition. There is wellcare or prevention care for healthy individuals. Typically that does not involve slicing off body parts

Millions of people get circumcised and/or nose jobs.

No big complaints there…

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jsteele wrote:I got tired of removing posts that I considered hateful from that thread. Of course, the authors of those posts will deny that they are hateful because they obviously believe that calling trans women men and accusing them of having mental health issues are just differences of opinion. But, I don't find such posts acceptable.

Every trans-related thread here ultimately goes the same way. It's just too much effort to try to keep the threads civil.

My kid has identified as trans. He most definitely has mental health issues, diagnosed well before. OCD and on the spectrum. What's cruel is the medical community and trans community preying on him, determined to separate him from a family who has always been his advocate.

Yes, you have been repeating this non-stop. It is very clear that you are not willing to accept your child's trans identity and prefer to view them as mentally ill and a victim of groomers. That is not a healthy attitude and, as you are seeing, the results are not good. I hope that your child will find love and support from those who truly are their advocate.

Jeff do you honestly believe that you know more about this posters situation and family, than she herself does?

Yes he does. That’s the arrogance of leftism. He also thinks he knows more than an MD, apparently

Did a MD diagnose your child as not trans?

Also, for the sake of clarification, could you clarify whether the child we are discussing is a pre-teen, a teen, or a young adult?

Yes, the MD did indeed.

The MD diagnosed your kid as “not transgender”?

There is no formal diagnosis, like you can get with cancer. That’s the problem. The psychiatrist stated that true transgenderism expresses itself so early in childhood that it can’t be hidden, and oftentimes, they find those people are gay as adults, which is just fine. The idea of being in the wrong body never presented itself in my kid until it became a ‘thing’ in the schools and on the internet. It’s very ‘popular’ with neurodivergent kids and kids with OCD, because you get an automatic support team, often from the same kids that bullied you. Very powerful. Psych. said the problem is the blind positive reinforcement kids are being given by some of the medical community and therapists. Say you are trans and you are trans. It’s one thing entertaining an idea. It’s another thing when the medical community adds drugs and surgery early on in the game. My kid showed all signs of OCD thinking to the psychiatrist when discussing transgender feelings, and could not tell why without constant reference to internet memes, sites, politics, etc. It was a “I just realized this is probably why I….”

As you will notice in this thread, transgender activists go right to name and shame of parents. They know nothing about the individual child’s background, nothing about the family, nothing about the child’s medical history. This is by design. If you can pull the child from the nuclear family and into their ‘supportive arms’, it serves a double purpose: a new member of the team and the destruction of the nuclear family. At the same time, make sure you batter the parent with ‘your child will kill themselves if you don’t affirm’, because by doing so, you can potentially get three new members, or more, in the case of a blended family! It’s not about the individual child’s needs - it’s about the movement. Even the most liberal studies show true transgenderism is between .5 and .8% of the population. We are seeing conversions now in droves.

My mother was diagnosed with Parkinson's. Did you know there is also no test for Parkinson's? You know it through a collection of symptoms and observable things.

I'm curious how your child's OCD was diagnosed, too. Probably in the same way.

Was your mother diagnosed as transgender as a cause for her Parkinsons? Curious

No one is diagnosed as trans since it's not a mental illness or a disorder. People identify as trans and you just have to believe them. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

Giving medication to, and surgery to, kids and people who just identify as something is scary stuff. If someone identifies as a blind person, should the surgeon take out their eyes?

Why is it scary?

Do you believe a surgeon should surgically blind a man because he identifies as blind?

I think it's very telling that you think trans people are maiming themselves by taking hormones or removing their breasts. I see now why you are so scared. You don't view them as a complete person if they undergo a change.

Answer the question.

That's an easy yes. But you think you somehow stumped me with your question. Because it is inconceivable to you that people can whatever the hell they want with their bodies. I also support doctor-assisted suicide, am against the death penalty though (I know, mind blown), and don't care one bit if anyone wants a boob job or a tummy tuck.

Now you? Why do you think that trans people are maiming themselves if they have gender-affirming surgery?

Is it ethical for the surgeon to deliberately blind someone when they know that person is suffering from mental illness?

Well since I and the medical community do not think that transgenderism is a mental illness, your question is comparing apples and oranges.

NP. Sincere question here. If it isn't a mental illness, then what is it? Is it considered a physical illness? If it's not an illness, why the need for gender affirming "healthcare" that is covered by health insurance and includes drastic surgeries and life altering medications?

We don’t need any of those things to identify as transgender. People are transgender before they have the surgery or hormone replacement therapy.

Okay. If transgender people do not have an illness, do you question the routine medicalization of transgenderism? Should it be considered healthcare?

Of course it should. Healthcare is not just for sick people.

Actually it is. By definition. There is wellcare or prevention care for healthy individuals. Typically that does not involve slicing off body parts

Oh so we are just playing semantics now. Call it what you will. The surgery that transgender people is just as much healthcare as the mastectomies.

What happens when you’re wrong? What happens when it turns out a teenage girl was suffering typical teenage girl angst, and she was given a mastectomy that removed her breasts and cross-sex hormones that permanently deepened her voice and gave her facial hair?

What happens when you’re wrong and a young man with internalized homophobia has his penis and testicles removed and later realized it was a mistake? He’s been castrated and regrets it.

What do you say to them then?

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jsteele wrote:I got tired of removing posts that I considered hateful from that thread. Of course, the authors of those posts will deny that they are hateful because they obviously believe that calling trans women men and accusing them of having mental health issues are just differences of opinion. But, I don't find such posts acceptable.

Every trans-related thread here ultimately goes the same way. It's just too much effort to try to keep the threads civil.

My kid has identified as trans. He most definitely has mental health issues, diagnosed well before. OCD and on the spectrum. What's cruel is the medical community and trans community preying on him, determined to separate him from a family who has always been his advocate.

Yes, you have been repeating this non-stop. It is very clear that you are not willing to accept your child's trans identity and prefer to view them as mentally ill and a victim of groomers. That is not a healthy attitude and, as you are seeing, the results are not good. I hope that your child will find love and support from those who truly are their advocate.

Jeff do you honestly believe that you know more about this posters situation and family, than she herself does?

Yes he does. That’s the arrogance of leftism. He also thinks he knows more than an MD, apparently

Did a MD diagnose your child as not trans?

Also, for the sake of clarification, could you clarify whether the child we are discussing is a pre-teen, a teen, or a young adult?

Yes, the MD did indeed.

The MD diagnosed your kid as “not transgender”?

There is no formal diagnosis, like you can get with cancer. That’s the problem. The psychiatrist stated that true transgenderism expresses itself so early in childhood that it can’t be hidden, and oftentimes, they find those people are gay as adults, which is just fine. The idea of being in the wrong body never presented itself in my kid until it became a ‘thing’ in the schools and on the internet. It’s very ‘popular’ with neurodivergent kids and kids with OCD, because you get an automatic support team, often from the same kids that bullied you. Very powerful. Psych. said the problem is the blind positive reinforcement kids are being given by some of the medical community and therapists. Say you are trans and you are trans. It’s one thing entertaining an idea. It’s another thing when the medical community adds drugs and surgery early on in the game. My kid showed all signs of OCD thinking to the psychiatrist when discussing transgender feelings, and could not tell why without constant reference to internet memes, sites, politics, etc. It was a “I just realized this is probably why I….”

As you will notice in this thread, transgender activists go right to name and shame of parents. They know nothing about the individual child’s background, nothing about the family, nothing about the child’s medical history. This is by design. If you can pull the child from the nuclear family and into their ‘supportive arms’, it serves a double purpose: a new member of the team and the destruction of the nuclear family. At the same time, make sure you batter the parent with ‘your child will kill themselves if you don’t affirm’, because by doing so, you can potentially get three new members, or more, in the case of a blended family! It’s not about the individual child’s needs - it’s about the movement. Even the most liberal studies show true transgenderism is between .5 and .8% of the population. We are seeing conversions now in droves.

My mother was diagnosed with Parkinson's. Did you know there is also no test for Parkinson's? You know it through a collection of symptoms and observable things.

I'm curious how your child's OCD was diagnosed, too. Probably in the same way.

Was your mother diagnosed as transgender as a cause for her Parkinsons? Curious

No one is diagnosed as trans since it's not a mental illness or a disorder. People identify as trans and you just have to believe them. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

Giving medication to, and surgery to, kids and people who just identify as something is scary stuff. If someone identifies as a blind person, should the surgeon take out their eyes?

Why is it scary?

Do you believe a surgeon should surgically blind a man because he identifies as blind?

So you don’t think transgenderism is a real thing. Got it.

I (and many others) draw the line at impressionable children being involved where they do not have the maturity to make life changing decisions that transgenderism may involve.
As for adults, they deserve to have the rights to do whatever they desire with their bodies.

Ok. But you still don’t think transgenderism is a real thing to make that comparison.

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Anonymous wrote:Gender dysphoria had been treated as a mental illness. Makes sense to me. Not sure how the current DSM treats it but would not be surprised in the least if it has changed course. Politics is invading science.

Just curious: for people who believe that they have multiple different personalities, should we treat them as distinct individuals? Seems like we are heading down that path where we erase or severely modify the definitions of multiple personality disorder and schizophrenia.

Drivel like yours is so tedious.

DP. In other words, you can't think of any way to debate the pp's comments. If you had a rebuttal, this would be the time and place for it.

DP. No rebuttal required because the comments weren’t relevant. Not at all comparable.

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jsteele wrote:I got tired of removing posts that I considered hateful from that thread. Of course, the authors of those posts will deny that they are hateful because they obviously believe that calling trans women men and accusing them of having mental health issues are just differences of opinion. But, I don't find such posts acceptable.

Every trans-related thread here ultimately goes the same way. It's just too much effort to try to keep the threads civil.

My kid has identified as trans. He most definitely has mental health issues, diagnosed well before. OCD and on the spectrum. What's cruel is the medical community and trans community preying on him, determined to separate him from a family who has always been his advocate.

Yes, you have been repeating this non-stop. It is very clear that you are not willing to accept your child's trans identity and prefer to view them as mentally ill and a victim of groomers. That is not a healthy attitude and, as you are seeing, the results are not good. I hope that your child will find love and support from those who truly are their advocate.

Jeff do you honestly believe that you know more about this posters situation and family, than she herself does?

Yes he does. That’s the arrogance of leftism. He also thinks he knows more than an MD, apparently

Did a MD diagnose your child as not trans?

Also, for the sake of clarification, could you clarify whether the child we are discussing is a pre-teen, a teen, or a young adult?

Yes, the MD did indeed.

The MD diagnosed your kid as “not transgender”?

There is no formal diagnosis, like you can get with cancer. That’s the problem. The psychiatrist stated that true transgenderism expresses itself so early in childhood that it can’t be hidden, and oftentimes, they find those people are gay as adults, which is just fine. The idea of being in the wrong body never presented itself in my kid until it became a ‘thing’ in the schools and on the internet. It’s very ‘popular’ with neurodivergent kids and kids with OCD, because you get an automatic support team, often from the same kids that bullied you. Very powerful. Psych. said the problem is the blind positive reinforcement kids are being given by some of the medical community and therapists. Say you are trans and you are trans. It’s one thing entertaining an idea. It’s another thing when the medical community adds drugs and surgery early on in the game. My kid showed all signs of OCD thinking to the psychiatrist when discussing transgender feelings, and could not tell why without constant reference to internet memes, sites, politics, etc. It was a “I just realized this is probably why I….”

As you will notice in this thread, transgender activists go right to name and shame of parents. They know nothing about the individual child’s background, nothing about the family, nothing about the child’s medical history. This is by design. If you can pull the child from the nuclear family and into their ‘supportive arms’, it serves a double purpose: a new member of the team and the destruction of the nuclear family. At the same time, make sure you batter the parent with ‘your child will kill themselves if you don’t affirm’, because by doing so, you can potentially get three new members, or more, in the case of a blended family! It’s not about the individual child’s needs - it’s about the movement. Even the most liberal studies show true transgenderism is between .5 and .8% of the population. We are seeing conversions now in droves.

My mother was diagnosed with Parkinson's. Did you know there is also no test for Parkinson's? You know it through a collection of symptoms and observable things.

I'm curious how your child's OCD was diagnosed, too. Probably in the same way.

Was your mother diagnosed as transgender as a cause for her Parkinsons? Curious

No one is diagnosed as trans since it's not a mental illness or a disorder. People identify as trans and you just have to believe them. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

Giving medication to, and surgery to, kids and people who just identify as something is scary stuff. If someone identifies as a blind person, should the surgeon take out their eyes?

Why is it scary?

Do you believe a surgeon should surgically blind a man because he identifies as blind?

I think it's very telling that you think trans people are maiming themselves by taking hormones or removing their breasts. I see now why you are so scared. You don't view them as a complete person if they undergo a change.

Answer the question.

That's an easy yes. But you think you somehow stumped me with your question. Because it is inconceivable to you that people can whatever the hell they want with their bodies. I also support doctor-assisted suicide, am against the death penalty though (I know, mind blown), and don't care one bit if anyone wants a boob job or a tummy tuck.

Now you? Why do you think that trans people are maiming themselves if they have gender-affirming surgery?

Is it ethical for the surgeon to deliberately blind someone when they know that person is suffering from mental illness?

Well since I and the medical community do not think that transgenderism is a mental illness, your question is comparing apples and oranges.

NP. Sincere question here. If it isn't a mental illness, then what is it? Is it considered a physical illness? If it's not an illness, why the need for gender affirming "healthcare" that is covered by health insurance and includes drastic surgeries and life altering medications?

We don’t need any of those things to identify as transgender. People are transgender before they have the surgery or hormone replacement therapy.

Okay. If transgender people do not have an illness, do you question the routine medicalization of transgenderism? Should it be considered healthcare?

Of course it should. Healthcare is not just for sick people.

Actually it is. By definition. There is wellcare or prevention care for healthy individuals. Typically that does not involve slicing off body parts

Millions of people get circumcised and/or nose jobs.

No big complaints there…

There are nose jobs, and then there's slicing off a nose. There's circumcision and then there's castration. Apples and oranges there.

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jsteele wrote:I got tired of removing posts that I considered hateful from that thread. Of course, the authors of those posts will deny that they are hateful because they obviously believe that calling trans women men and accusing them of having mental health issues are just differences of opinion. But, I don't find such posts acceptable.

Every trans-related thread here ultimately goes the same way. It's just too much effort to try to keep the threads civil.

My kid has identified as trans. He most definitely has mental health issues, diagnosed well before. OCD and on the spectrum. What's cruel is the medical community and trans community preying on him, determined to separate him from a family who has always been his advocate.

Yes, you have been repeating this non-stop. It is very clear that you are not willing to accept your child's trans identity and prefer to view them as mentally ill and a victim of groomers. That is not a healthy attitude and, as you are seeing, the results are not good. I hope that your child will find love and support from those who truly are their advocate.

Jeff do you honestly believe that you know more about this posters situation and family, than she herself does?

Yes he does. That’s the arrogance of leftism. He also thinks he knows more than an MD, apparently

Did a MD diagnose your child as not trans?

Also, for the sake of clarification, could you clarify whether the child we are discussing is a pre-teen, a teen, or a young adult?

Yes, the MD did indeed.

The MD diagnosed your kid as “not transgender”?

There is no formal diagnosis, like you can get with cancer. That’s the problem. The psychiatrist stated that true transgenderism expresses itself so early in childhood that it can’t be hidden, and oftentimes, they find those people are gay as adults, which is just fine. The idea of being in the wrong body never presented itself in my kid until it became a ‘thing’ in the schools and on the internet. It’s very ‘popular’ with neurodivergent kids and kids with OCD, because you get an automatic support team, often from the same kids that bullied you. Very powerful. Psych. said the problem is the blind positive reinforcement kids are being given by some of the medical community and therapists. Say you are trans and you are trans. It’s one thing entertaining an idea. It’s another thing when the medical community adds drugs and surgery early on in the game. My kid showed all signs of OCD thinking to the psychiatrist when discussing transgender feelings, and could not tell why without constant reference to internet memes, sites, politics, etc. It was a “I just realized this is probably why I….”

As you will notice in this thread, transgender activists go right to name and shame of parents. They know nothing about the individual child’s background, nothing about the family, nothing about the child’s medical history. This is by design. If you can pull the child from the nuclear family and into their ‘supportive arms’, it serves a double purpose: a new member of the team and the destruction of the nuclear family. At the same time, make sure you batter the parent with ‘your child will kill themselves if you don’t affirm’, because by doing so, you can potentially get three new members, or more, in the case of a blended family! It’s not about the individual child’s needs - it’s about the movement. Even the most liberal studies show true transgenderism is between .5 and .8% of the population. We are seeing conversions now in droves.

My mother was diagnosed with Parkinson's. Did you know there is also no test for Parkinson's? You know it through a collection of symptoms and observable things.

I'm curious how your child's OCD was diagnosed, too. Probably in the same way.

Was your mother diagnosed as transgender as a cause for her Parkinsons? Curious

No one is diagnosed as trans since it's not a mental illness or a disorder. People identify as trans and you just have to believe them. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

Giving medication to, and surgery to, kids and people who just identify as something is scary stuff. If someone identifies as a blind person, should the surgeon take out their eyes?

Why is it scary?

Do you believe a surgeon should surgically blind a man because he identifies as blind?

I think it's very telling that you think trans people are maiming themselves by taking hormones or removing their breasts. I see now why you are so scared. You don't view them as a complete person if they undergo a change.

Answer the question.

That's an easy yes. But you think you somehow stumped me with your question. Because it is inconceivable to you that people can whatever the hell they want with their bodies. I also support doctor-assisted suicide, am against the death penalty though (I know, mind blown), and don't care one bit if anyone wants a boob job or a tummy tuck.

Now you? Why do you think that trans people are maiming themselves if they have gender-affirming surgery?

Is it ethical for the surgeon to deliberately blind someone when they know that person is suffering from mental illness?

You are equating transgenderism to mental illness. If you are ever wondering why people call you a bigot…

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Anonymous wrote:Gender dysphoria had been treated as a mental illness. Makes sense to me. Not sure how the current DSM treats it but would not be surprised in the least if it has changed course. Politics is invading science.

Just curious: for people who believe that they have multiple different personalities, should we treat them as distinct individuals? Seems like we are heading down that path where we erase or severely modify the definitions of multiple personality disorder and schizophrenia.

Drivel like yours is so tedious.

DP. In other words, you can't think of any way to debate the pp's comments. If you had a rebuttal, this would be the time and place for it.

DP. No rebuttal required because the comments weren’t relevant. Not at all comparable.

How so?

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Anonymous wrote:I just saw this on Twitter - a comment very applicable to this discussion:

The trans activists know they can’t win in a fair fight. They suppress, censor and deplatform because they know their position is insane and can’t be defended. If open discussion on this topic was allowed, their side would be crushed into oblivion in less than a week.

Every accusation is a confession.

Bigots are mad they can’t hurt vulnerable kids. Noted.

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Anonymous wrote:Gender dysphoria had been treated as a mental illness. Makes sense to me. Not sure how the current DSM treats it but would not be surprised in the least if it has changed course. Politics is invading science.

Just curious: for people who believe that they have multiple different personalities, should we treat them as distinct individuals? Seems like we are heading down that path where we erase or severely modify the definitions of multiple personality disorder and schizophrenia.

Drivel like yours is so tedious.

DP. In other words, you can't think of any way to debate the pp's comments. If you had a rebuttal, this would be the time and place for it.

DP. No rebuttal required because the comments weren’t relevant. Not at all comparable.

How so?

Transgenderism <> Mental illness

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jsteele wrote:I got tired of removing posts that I considered hateful from that thread. Of course, the authors of those posts will deny that they are hateful because they obviously believe that calling trans women men and accusing them of having mental health issues are just differences of opinion. But, I don't find such posts acceptable.

Every trans-related thread here ultimately goes the same way. It's just too much effort to try to keep the threads civil.

My kid has identified as trans. He most definitely has mental health issues, diagnosed well before. OCD and on the spectrum. What's cruel is the medical community and trans community preying on him, determined to separate him from a family who has always been his advocate.

Yes, you have been repeating this non-stop. It is very clear that you are not willing to accept your child's trans identity and prefer to view them as mentally ill and a victim of groomers. That is not a healthy attitude and, as you are seeing, the results are not good. I hope that your child will find love and support from those who truly are their advocate.

Jeff do you honestly believe that you know more about this posters situation and family, than she herself does?

Yes he does. That’s the arrogance of leftism. He also thinks he knows more than an MD, apparently

Did a MD diagnose your child as not trans?

Also, for the sake of clarification, could you clarify whether the child we are discussing is a pre-teen, a teen, or a young adult?

Yes, the MD did indeed.

The MD diagnosed your kid as “not transgender”?

There is no formal diagnosis, like you can get with cancer. That’s the problem. The psychiatrist stated that true transgenderism expresses itself so early in childhood that it can’t be hidden, and oftentimes, they find those people are gay as adults, which is just fine. The idea of being in the wrong body never presented itself in my kid until it became a ‘thing’ in the schools and on the internet. It’s very ‘popular’ with neurodivergent kids and kids with OCD, because you get an automatic support team, often from the same kids that bullied you. Very powerful. Psych. said the problem is the blind positive reinforcement kids are being given by some of the medical community and therapists. Say you are trans and you are trans. It’s one thing entertaining an idea. It’s another thing when the medical community adds drugs and surgery early on in the game. My kid showed all signs of OCD thinking to the psychiatrist when discussing transgender feelings, and could not tell why without constant reference to internet memes, sites, politics, etc. It was a “I just realized this is probably why I….”

As you will notice in this thread, transgender activists go right to name and shame of parents. They know nothing about the individual child’s background, nothing about the family, nothing about the child’s medical history. This is by design. If you can pull the child from the nuclear family and into their ‘supportive arms’, it serves a double purpose: a new member of the team and the destruction of the nuclear family. At the same time, make sure you batter the parent with ‘your child will kill themselves if you don’t affirm’, because by doing so, you can potentially get three new members, or more, in the case of a blended family! It’s not about the individual child’s needs - it’s about the movement. Even the most liberal studies show true transgenderism is between .5 and .8% of the population. We are seeing conversions now in droves.

My mother was diagnosed with Parkinson's. Did you know there is also no test for Parkinson's? You know it through a collection of symptoms and observable things.

I'm curious how your child's OCD was diagnosed, too. Probably in the same way.

Was your mother diagnosed as transgender as a cause for her Parkinsons? Curious

No one is diagnosed as trans since it's not a mental illness or a disorder. People identify as trans and you just have to believe them. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

Giving medication to, and surgery to, kids and people who just identify as something is scary stuff. If someone identifies as a blind person, should the surgeon take out their eyes?

Why is it scary?

Do you believe a surgeon should surgically blind a man because he identifies as blind?

I think it's very telling that you think trans people are maiming themselves by taking hormones or removing their breasts. I see now why you are so scared. You don't view them as a complete person if they undergo a change.

Answer the question.

That's an easy yes. But you think you somehow stumped me with your question. Because it is inconceivable to you that people can whatever the hell they want with their bodies. I also support doctor-assisted suicide, am against the death penalty though (I know, mind blown), and don't care one bit if anyone wants a boob job or a tummy tuck.

Now you? Why do you think that trans people are maiming themselves if they have gender-affirming surgery?

Is it ethical for the surgeon to deliberately blind someone when they know that person is suffering from mental illness?

Well since I and the medical community do not think that transgenderism is a mental illness, your question is comparing apples and oranges.

NP. Sincere question here. If it isn't a mental illness, then what is it? Is it considered a physical illness? If it's not an illness, why the need for gender affirming "healthcare" that is covered by health insurance and includes drastic surgeries and life altering medications?

We don’t need any of those things to identify as transgender. People are transgender before they have the surgery or hormone replacement therapy.

Okay. If transgender people do not have an illness, do you question the routine medicalization of transgenderism? Should it be considered healthcare?

Of course it should. Healthcare is not just for sick people.

Actually it is. By definition. There is wellcare or prevention care for healthy individuals. Typically that does not involve slicing off body parts

Millions of people get circumcised and/or nose jobs.

No big complaints there…

There are nose jobs, and then there's slicing off a nose. There's circumcision and then there's castration. Apples and oranges there.

All are surgeries to modify the body. Some without the patient’s consent.

No one is screaming about that.