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White women try to "reclaim power" through #vanillagirl and #cleangirl beauty posts??
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Anonymous
You brought it up. there are no "famous - household name" white ballerinas |
Anonymous
Unfortunately, it's not one article. Dog-pile on the white women is all over the place right now. Nevermind that the vast majority of us have no real power, have never "played the victim" to persecute a person of color, have never appropriated someone's look to make money, etc. etc. etc. No matter that we go to all the trainings and read all the books to learn. No matter. We are to be reviled simply for being white and women. And if you are middle-aged? You better not have an opinion about anything. And there a lot of people out there loving this hating? Why? Because most people are petty and small, no matter what their race, ethnicity, etc. If they feel they have been put upon, they enjoy nothing more than lashing out at someone else. People suck. |
Anonymous
Yes, this. |
Anonymous
You are not paying attention. People don't have the guts to say this in person, but it's everywhere in the media. Keep up and don't be part of the problem. |
Anonymous
+1 The beauty industry is overwhelmingly controlled by men and consumed by and marketed to women. It’s first and primary goal is to maintain and extend the power of the men (nearly all white men) who own and control it. Women who say no to the beauty industry are an overt threat to the male dominance of the industry and thus the profoundly creepy focus on very very young women. Women are both the product and the consumer of the industry. They are not remotely the ones in power. It’s delusional to think otherwise. |
Anonymous
| The politically correct/woke movement has become its own biggest enemy. Honestly, it started out on the right path. There’s zero doubt that equality for everyone is important but its evolved into attention seeking “I’m a victim” behavior which is alienation the people who want to help the most. |
Anonymous
And Misty Copeland is only a household name because of the barriers she broke becoming the first black prima ballerina in an overwhelmingly white field. If she was white no one would give a shit, because a white principal dancer is not news. |
Anonymous
It's happening to Margorie T Greene. She is a victim reclaiming her power by speaking out. At least that is how many in this thread view it. We the whites are being victimized by these people who love playing the victim. There is no argument here that I can agree with. The piece is just another opinion I disagree with. |
Anonymous
That must be really hard for you. |
Anonymous
Swing and a miss, troll |
Anonymous
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Regarding ballet and Misty Copeland, I agree that her level of fame has a lot to do with having broken barriers for black people in ballet. I also think she has big crossover appeal because she has embraced some unconventional sponsorships and opportunities for a ballet dancer, like her work with UnderArmor (makes sense because she's from the area but not a typical sponsorship for a ballerina). I do think she's an exception.
Ballet is less popular among the masses than it once was, but there have been lots of very famous white ballet dancers over the years. Though to be fair, the most famous ballet dancer of the 20th century is probably Mikhail Baryshnikov, a man. But there have been other Russian ballerinas, as well as a number of the Balanchine dancers and some of the higher profile ABT primas (Julie Kent), who have become very famous. Right now, Tyler Peck is quite famous and has a huge social media following (and her brother Justin is an up and coming choreographer and was recently the subject of a documentary about his choreography work). Ethan Stiefel remains pretty famous thanks to co-starring in Center Stage. Though interestingly, his wife (Gillian Murphy) has basically no visibility outside of the ballet world even though she did the body double work for the female lead in that movie. Ballet definitely has a whiteness problem but, as you might gather from what I just wrote, it also has a bit of a misogyny problem -- women are more likely to be the consumers of ballet and far more likely to train in ballet or pursue careers in it, but it remains male dominated and has been for a long time. The whiteness problem is connected to the misogyny problem, because for so long the aesthetics of ballet were set by the men who ran the companies and whose work as choreographers was celebrated, and these men were all white. If you want a nuanced portrait of how race and gender have played into American ballet, I highly recommend the podcast "The Turning: Room of Mirrors" about the rise of the New York City Ballet under Balanchine. Really fascinating, and it gets into the way racism and misogyny plays into the industry, and might help you better understand Misty Copeland and the state of ballet in 2023. It's a lot more complicated than the bickering on this thread would indicate (just for starters, white women have not historically been big decision makers in the ballet world). |
Anonymous
Oh don't be a d-bag. I've got my big-girl pants on, but it wears on you. And this is not good for anybody, it just causes more divisiveness and resentment. Tale as old as time, the people in power get those down below to fight with each other so we'll leave them alone. If we really want to make things better, we have to work together, and all this nastiness toward white women is alienating people and isn't really helping move us forward as a society. |
Anonymous
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What I think is true is that the fashion pendulum is swinging away from curves and BBLs and contoured Kardashians and towards thinness and midriffs and minimal makeup. It's partly the Ozempic effect and all the newly-thin celebs and the attention they get. But also probably just the way fashion goes - there's always a blowback when something has been popular for a while. Those trends don't look fresh anymore.
What I think is wrong is that it's about white power. That might have been true if the last 20 years had actually seen white women pushed to the side. But as Steph Cao acknowledges, the fact that the trends were associated with blackness did not keep white women from adopting them. The Kardashians were emblematic of the era. So that doesn't ring true for me. The Kardashians have been around for at least 20 years- the culture was going to move on eventually. And soon enough it will swing back again, and white girls will get criticized for appropriation again instead of white supremacy. |
Anonymous
This is because men all races are hellbent in making women accept and be dependent on male power structures. Therefore women are divided. If women were truly intersectional, if the harms that women endure by virtue of being women were not continually minimized by men of all political persuasions, this conversation would be about misogyny. But it’s not. There is a reason some of the loudest critics of white women feminism are men of all races. A white man talking loudly about the harms of white women feminism — and there are many — is a man invested in protecting his power, not a man actually interested in helping women who aren’t white. And to be absolutely clear, white women feminism has a very deep and harmful history. But POC women should be centered in the discussion. Yet they are often ignored in the discussion. Meanwhile white women who depend on male power and money for their existence are also invested in protecting those power structures (and to be clear, this also cuts across the political landscape) and suppressing the voices of POC women while suffering themselves from misogyny at the same time. And therefore misogyny rages on. |
Anonymous
| This is a media/social media created (non)problem for clicks. This got everyone clicking and reading. Mission accomplished. Life is boring so controversy sells. |