Ukraine can win; but they have to be absolute bad guy

[Anonymous]

Huh, haven’t heard anything about Ukrainian casualties since they muzzled Ursula Van der Leyden’s statement that Ukraine has lost ~100000 soldiers

It’s all Russia, Russia, Russia

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DP. A couple of points.

Russian history is difficult to use in effective propaganda, so Russians use WWII like a safety blanket. It's comforting propaganda for them, since it's the last time the Soviets did anything remotely "righteous". Same way the "Nazi" label works because SVR likely recruits ultra-right nationalists. Russian's can't say much before WWII, because Stalin's ethnic purges and holodomor would work against annexation of Crimea, invasion of Ukraine, etc.

I think Putin is just using soldiers to grind as sausage to deflect physical military opposition at home. Population is plummeting, and it's just a matter of time before Russia disintegrates into smaller chunks (they won't be able to hold current territory without population increases).

Someone should have gifted Putin a copy of Civilization IV with a sticky that says "Cultural Victory - it's a thing."

They have all of this culture around WWII and "WE fought the Nazis" when in fact millions of the Soviet troops that fought the Nazis and pushed all the way to Berlin where they drove Hitler to hide in a bunker and eat a bullet were in fact UKRAINIANS. Which makes it completely sick that they've now reinvented the Ukrainians to be the Nazis. Especially when their own home grown Russians keep being found adorned with Nazi symbols.

Because the Ukrainians were so good to the Jews and the Azov Battalion doesn’t exist
/s

You don't understand that things change over time? Again, Zelenskyy, a Jew, was elected with a popular majority, he got 73% of the total votes. A "Nazi" state wouldn't elect a Jew to its highest office with 73% of the vote. Has Russia elected a Jew to its highest office?

LOL you throw this number around but you have no idea why he did. Two pillars of his campaign promises:

1. Root out corruption (fail)
2. Achieve reconciliation with Russia (fail, and told to shut up or be hung)

Also, Zelensky's approval ratings "before" the war: 31%.

The fail is all yours. His current approval rating is 84%

LOL you want to know what Stalin's approval rating was during WW2?

Zelinskyy's approval ratings come from actual independent polls. Stalin's were just made up.

LOL right back atcha

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DP. A couple of points.

Russian history is difficult to use in effective propaganda, so Russians use WWII like a safety blanket. It's comforting propaganda for them, since it's the last time the Soviets did anything remotely "righteous". Same way the "Nazi" label works because SVR likely recruits ultra-right nationalists. Russian's can't say much before WWII, because Stalin's ethnic purges and holodomor would work against annexation of Crimea, invasion of Ukraine, etc.

I think Putin is just using soldiers to grind as sausage to deflect physical military opposition at home. Population is plummeting, and it's just a matter of time before Russia disintegrates into smaller chunks (they won't be able to hold current territory without population increases).

Someone should have gifted Putin a copy of Civilization IV with a sticky that says "Cultural Victory - it's a thing."

They have all of this culture around WWII and "WE fought the Nazis" when in fact millions of the Soviet troops that fought the Nazis and pushed all the way to Berlin where they drove Hitler to hide in a bunker and eat a bullet were in fact UKRAINIANS. Which makes it completely sick that they've now reinvented the Ukrainians to be the Nazis. Especially when their own home grown Russians keep being found adorned with Nazi symbols.

Because the Ukrainians were so good to the Jews and the Azov Battalion doesn’t exist
/s

You don't understand that things change over time? Again, Zelenskyy, a Jew, was elected with a popular majority, he got 73% of the total votes. A "Nazi" state wouldn't elect a Jew to its highest office with 73% of the vote. Has Russia elected a Jew to its highest office?

LOL you throw this number around but you have no idea why he did. Two pillars of his campaign promises:

1. Root out corruption (fail)
2. Achieve reconciliation with Russia (fail, and told to shut up or be hung)

Also, Zelensky's approval ratings "before" the war: 31%.

The fail is all yours. His current approval rating is 84%

LOL you want to know what Stalin's approval rating was during WW2?

Zelinskyy's approval ratings come from actual independent polls. Stalin's were just made up.

LOL right back atcha

Its easy to be popular when you ban opposition parties, shut down opposition media and strip opposition politicians of their citizenship. People get the message and give the "right" answer.

[Anonymous]

When it comes to Ukraine, there are two sources. President Zelensky and Lt Col Vindman.

This is the only way to get the truth, and not propaganda.

[Anonymous]

The Vindmans have been on the front line in Ukraine.

Where have you been?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DP. A couple of points.

Russian history is difficult to use in effective propaganda, so Russians use WWII like a safety blanket. It's comforting propaganda for them, since it's the last time the Soviets did anything remotely "righteous". Same way the "Nazi" label works because SVR likely recruits ultra-right nationalists. Russian's can't say much before WWII, because Stalin's ethnic purges and holodomor would work against annexation of Crimea, invasion of Ukraine, etc.

I think Putin is just using soldiers to grind as sausage to deflect physical military opposition at home. Population is plummeting, and it's just a matter of time before Russia disintegrates into smaller chunks (they won't be able to hold current territory without population increases).

Someone should have gifted Putin a copy of Civilization IV with a sticky that says "Cultural Victory - it's a thing."

They have all of this culture around WWII and "WE fought the Nazis" when in fact millions of the Soviet troops that fought the Nazis and pushed all the way to Berlin where they drove Hitler to hide in a bunker and eat a bullet were in fact UKRAINIANS. Which makes it completely sick that they've now reinvented the Ukrainians to be the Nazis. Especially when their own home grown Russians keep being found adorned with Nazi symbols.

Because the Ukrainians were so good to the Jews and the Azov Battalion doesn’t exist
/s

You don't understand that things change over time? Again, Zelenskyy, a Jew, was elected with a popular majority, he got 73% of the total votes. A "Nazi" state wouldn't elect a Jew to its highest office with 73% of the vote. Has Russia elected a Jew to its highest office?

LOL you throw this number around but you have no idea why he did. Two pillars of his campaign promises:

1. Root out corruption (fail)
2. Achieve reconciliation with Russia (fail, and told to shut up or be hung)

Also, Zelensky's approval ratings "before" the war: 31%.

The fail is all yours. His current approval rating is 84%

LOL you want to know what Stalin's approval rating was during WW2?

Zelinskyy's approval ratings come from actual independent polls. Stalin's were just made up.

LOL right back atcha

Its easy to be popular when you ban opposition parties, shut down opposition media and strip opposition politicians of their citizenship. People get the message and give the "right" answer.

Fake news and Russian propaganda. When did Poroshenko get stripped of citizenship? Tymoshenko? Liashko? Tihipko?

You're thinking of RUSSIA, where they jail political opponents like Navalny, where they shut down or take over opposition media and strictly control content via Roskomnadzor

[Anonymous]

We need to figure out how we are going to handle pro Russian right wing people. I’d like to see them off social media for starters.

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Anonymous wrote:DP. A couple of points.

Russian history is difficult to use in effective propaganda, so Russians use WWII like a safety blanket. It's comforting propaganda for them, since it's the last time the Soviets did anything remotely "righteous". Same way the "Nazi" label works because SVR likely recruits ultra-right nationalists. Russian's can't say much before WWII, because Stalin's ethnic purges and holodomor would work against annexation of Crimea, invasion of Ukraine, etc.

I think Putin is just using soldiers to grind as sausage to deflect physical military opposition at home. Population is plummeting, and it's just a matter of time before Russia disintegrates into smaller chunks (they won't be able to hold current territory without population increases).

Someone should have gifted Putin a copy of Civilization IV with a sticky that says "Cultural Victory - it's a thing."

They have all of this culture around WWII and "WE fought the Nazis" when in fact millions of the Soviet troops that fought the Nazis and pushed all the way to Berlin where they drove Hitler to hide in a bunker and eat a bullet were in fact UKRAINIANS. Which makes it completely sick that they've now reinvented the Ukrainians to be the Nazis. Especially when their own home grown Russians keep being found adorned with Nazi symbols.

Because the Ukrainians were so good to the Jews and the Azov Battalion doesn’t exist
/s

You don't understand that things change over time? Again, Zelenskyy, a Jew, was elected with a popular majority, he got 73% of the total votes. A "Nazi" state wouldn't elect a Jew to its highest office with 73% of the vote. Has Russia elected a Jew to its highest office?

LOL you throw this number around but you have no idea why he did. Two pillars of his campaign promises:

1. Root out corruption (fail)
2. Achieve reconciliation with Russia (fail, and told to shut up or be hung)

Also, Zelensky's approval ratings "before" the war: 31%.

The fail is all yours. His current approval rating is 84%

LOL you want to know what Stalin's approval rating was during WW2?

Zelinskyy's approval ratings come from actual independent polls. Stalin's were just made up.

LOL right back atcha

Its easy to be popular when you ban opposition parties, shut down opposition media and strip opposition politicians of their citizenship. People get the message and give the "right" answer.

Fake news and Russian propaganda. When did Poroshenko get stripped of citizenship? Tymoshenko? Liashko? Tihipko?

You're thinking of RUSSIA, where they jail political opponents like Navalny, where they shut down or take over opposition media and strictly control content via Roskomnadzor

No tears shed for the white nationalist Navalny.

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Anonymous wrote:DP. A couple of points.

Russian history is difficult to use in effective propaganda, so Russians use WWII like a safety blanket. It's comforting propaganda for them, since it's the last time the Soviets did anything remotely "righteous". Same way the "Nazi" label works because SVR likely recruits ultra-right nationalists. Russian's can't say much before WWII, because Stalin's ethnic purges and holodomor would work against annexation of Crimea, invasion of Ukraine, etc.

I think Putin is just using soldiers to grind as sausage to deflect physical military opposition at home. Population is plummeting, and it's just a matter of time before Russia disintegrates into smaller chunks (they won't be able to hold current territory without population increases).

Someone should have gifted Putin a copy of Civilization IV with a sticky that says "Cultural Victory - it's a thing."

They have all of this culture around WWII and "WE fought the Nazis" when in fact millions of the Soviet troops that fought the Nazis and pushed all the way to Berlin where they drove Hitler to hide in a bunker and eat a bullet were in fact UKRAINIANS. Which makes it completely sick that they've now reinvented the Ukrainians to be the Nazis. Especially when their own home grown Russians keep being found adorned with Nazi symbols.

Because the Ukrainians were so good to the Jews and the Azov Battalion doesn’t exist
/s

You don't understand that things change over time? Again, Zelenskyy, a Jew, was elected with a popular majority, he got 73% of the total votes. A "Nazi" state wouldn't elect a Jew to its highest office with 73% of the vote. Has Russia elected a Jew to its highest office?

LOL you throw this number around but you have no idea why he did. Two pillars of his campaign promises:

1. Root out corruption (fail)
2. Achieve reconciliation with Russia (fail, and told to shut up or be hung)

Also, Zelensky's approval ratings "before" the war: 31%.

The fail is all yours. His current approval rating is 84%

LOL you want to know what Stalin's approval rating was during WW2?

Zelinskyy's approval ratings come from actual independent polls. Stalin's were just made up.

LOL right back atcha

Its easy to be popular when you ban opposition parties, shut down opposition media and strip opposition politicians of their citizenship. People get the message and give the "right" answer.

Fake news and Russian propaganda. When did Poroshenko get stripped of citizenship? Tymoshenko? Liashko? Tihipko?

You're thinking of RUSSIA, where they jail political opponents like Navalny, where they shut down or take over opposition media and strictly control content via Roskomnadzor

It’s pretty common knowledge. The only reason you call it propaganda is that you don’t like reading it.

[Anonymous]

You either listen to Vindman- or you are a useful idiot.

I listen to Vindman.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DP. A couple of points.

Russian history is difficult to use in effective propaganda, so Russians use WWII like a safety blanket. It's comforting propaganda for them, since it's the last time the Soviets did anything remotely "righteous". Same way the "Nazi" label works because SVR likely recruits ultra-right nationalists. Russian's can't say much before WWII, because Stalin's ethnic purges and holodomor would work against annexation of Crimea, invasion of Ukraine, etc.

I think Putin is just using soldiers to grind as sausage to deflect physical military opposition at home. Population is plummeting, and it's just a matter of time before Russia disintegrates into smaller chunks (they won't be able to hold current territory without population increases).

Someone should have gifted Putin a copy of Civilization IV with a sticky that says "Cultural Victory - it's a thing."

They have all of this culture around WWII and "WE fought the Nazis" when in fact millions of the Soviet troops that fought the Nazis and pushed all the way to Berlin where they drove Hitler to hide in a bunker and eat a bullet were in fact UKRAINIANS. Which makes it completely sick that they've now reinvented the Ukrainians to be the Nazis. Especially when their own home grown Russians keep being found adorned with Nazi symbols.

Because the Ukrainians were so good to the Jews and the Azov Battalion doesn’t exist
/s

You don't understand that things change over time? Again, Zelenskyy, a Jew, was elected with a popular majority, he got 73% of the total votes. A "Nazi" state wouldn't elect a Jew to its highest office with 73% of the vote. Has Russia elected a Jew to its highest office?

LOL you throw this number around but you have no idea why he did. Two pillars of his campaign promises:

1. Root out corruption (fail)
2. Achieve reconciliation with Russia (fail, and told to shut up or be hung)

Also, Zelensky's approval ratings "before" the war: 31%.

The fail is all yours. His current approval rating is 84%

LOL you want to know what Stalin's approval rating was during WW2?

Zelinskyy's approval ratings come from actual independent polls. Stalin's were just made up.

LOL right back atcha

Its easy to be popular when you ban opposition parties, shut down opposition media and strip opposition politicians of their citizenship. People get the message and give the "right" answer.

Fake news and Russian propaganda. When did Poroshenko get stripped of citizenship? Tymoshenko? Liashko? Tihipko?

You're thinking of RUSSIA, where they jail political opponents like Navalny, where they shut down or take over opposition media and strictly control content via Roskomnadzor

It’s pretty common knowledge. The only reason you call it propaganda is that you don’t like reading it.

+1. Zelensky is the worst.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:About 6 months into the war; as Russia stalled - I recalled a Ukrainian officer stating that only after Ukraine marched on Moscow would this war be over. Seemed far fetched at the time.

But if you look at history, Russia has been invaded 3 times (Mongols, Napoleon and Hitler) in a major way. Sure Sweden and a few others took their shot but was not much.

As I rewind current history in my armchair quarterback luxury; Ukraine knows that they have one option, and they do not come out the good guy in anyones myopic view of current events.

1) Horde all western weapons, ask for more
2) Lie to their Western supporters as needed to support defense and economy and liberation of their country
3) Prepare for offense with no Western support
4) Occupy Russian western territory at high cost
5) Cede Russian territory to Russia; endure Russia's celebration of repelling NATO invasion
6) Eastern Ukiraine/Crimea become a DMZ

Ukraine will take a serious PR hit and be condemned for crossing the border and using western "defensive" weapons in Russia; but in reality that is their best play other than surrendering their land to Russia.

You would make a very good Russian propagandist. The possibilty that Ukraine would escalate and make this a global conflict is what Russia hopes will keep bigger weapons out of Ukraine's hands. You're spreading their FUD for them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The lack of education here boggles the mind. We should be making an ally out of Russia. Should have done it in the 90s. Instead we are pushing them into the arms of China, who is the only valid competitor to the U S.
And that conflict is existential to us. Russia is weak and Ukulele is not important to us strategically. Sadly you have people that think this is 1960s and not 2023.

Except China doesn’t really want Russia it seems?

LOL! We wants Taiwan, we needs Taiwan, do you know why? Do you know why we are all Gollum like about Taiwan? We need all the help we can get, and China is not stupid... like at all stupid.

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Anonymous wrote:DP. A couple of points.

Russian history is difficult to use in effective propaganda, so Russians use WWII like a safety blanket. It's comforting propaganda for them, since it's the last time the Soviets did anything remotely "righteous". Same way the "Nazi" label works because SVR likely recruits ultra-right nationalists. Russian's can't say much before WWII, because Stalin's ethnic purges and holodomor would work against annexation of Crimea, invasion of Ukraine, etc.

I think Putin is just using soldiers to grind as sausage to deflect physical military opposition at home. Population is plummeting, and it's just a matter of time before Russia disintegrates into smaller chunks (they won't be able to hold current territory without population increases).

Someone should have gifted Putin a copy of Civilization IV with a sticky that says "Cultural Victory - it's a thing."

They have all of this culture around WWII and "WE fought the Nazis" when in fact millions of the Soviet troops that fought the Nazis and pushed all the way to Berlin where they drove Hitler to hide in a bunker and eat a bullet were in fact UKRAINIANS. Which makes it completely sick that they've now reinvented the Ukrainians to be the Nazis. Especially when their own home grown Russians keep being found adorned with Nazi symbols.

Because the Ukrainians were so good to the Jews and the Azov Battalion doesn’t exist
/s

You don't understand that things change over time? Again, Zelenskyy, a Jew, was elected with a popular majority, he got 73% of the total votes. A "Nazi" state wouldn't elect a Jew to its highest office with 73% of the vote. Has Russia elected a Jew to its highest office?

LOL you throw this number around but you have no idea why he did. Two pillars of his campaign promises:

1. Root out corruption (fail)
2. Achieve reconciliation with Russia (fail, and told to shut up or be hung)

Also, Zelensky's approval ratings "before" the war: 31%.

The fail is all yours. His current approval rating is 84%

LOL you want to know what Stalin's approval rating was during WW2?

Zelinskyy's approval ratings come from actual independent polls. Stalin's were just made up.

LOL right back atcha

Its easy to be popular when you ban opposition parties, shut down opposition media and strip opposition politicians of their citizenship. People get the message and give the "right" answer.

Fake news and Russian propaganda. When did Poroshenko get stripped of citizenship? Tymoshenko? Liashko? Tihipko?

You're thinking of RUSSIA, where they jail political opponents like Navalny, where they shut down or take over opposition media and strictly control content via Roskomnadzor

No tears shed for the white nationalist Navalny.

Hilariously ironic point for you to be making, considering Putin's promoting a White Russian Nationalism with his whole "Z" propaganda movement.

The POINT was that Putin has jailed any and all viable candidates standing in open opposition to him, whereas Zelenskyy has NOT.

So again, you fail, not once but twice with one claim and one retort to it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:About 6 months into the war; as Russia stalled - I recalled a Ukrainian officer stating that only after Ukraine marched on Moscow would this war be over. Seemed far fetched at the time.

But if you look at history, Russia has been invaded 3 times (Mongols, Napoleon and Hitler) in a major way. Sure Sweden and a few others took their shot but was not much.

As I rewind current history in my armchair quarterback luxury; Ukraine knows that they have one option, and they do not come out the good guy in anyones myopic view of current events.

1) Horde all western weapons, ask for more
2) Lie to their Western supporters as needed to support defense and economy and liberation of their country
3) Prepare for offense with no Western support
4) Occupy Russian western territory at high cost
5) Cede Russian territory to Russia; endure Russia's celebration of repelling NATO invasion
6) Eastern Ukiraine/Crimea become a DMZ

Ukraine will take a serious PR hit and be condemned for crossing the border and using western "defensive" weapons in Russia; but in reality that is their best play other than surrendering their land to Russia.

You would make a very good Russian propagandist. The possibilty that Ukraine would escalate and make this a global conflict is what Russia hopes will keep bigger weapons out of Ukraine's hands. You're spreading their FUD for them.

PP *is* a Russian propagandist.