Is wearing Redskins Memorabilia derogatory or socially acceptable?
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Anonymous
Barnee Breeskin composed the music and Corinne Griffith (wife of then Redskins owner George Preston Marshall) wrote the lyrics. Neither was German. |
Anonymous
Look into the history of the American Nazi Party. You didn't have to be German to join it. Also, this is a fact, the Washington Redskins were the last NFL team to integrate. It was essentially forced upon them by the federal government I wonder if some of the local rednecks, whose familes have been here a time, are proud they were the last? |
Anonymous
George Preston Marshall was an unapologetic racist. Would it be surpriseling if his wife was, also? The song was written in 1937. Would it be shocking if "Hail Victory" wasn't slipped in on purpose? The timeline fits. |
Anonymous
A lot of Native Americans either don't meet some of the weird criteria to be enrolled or choose not to be enerolled. It doesn't mean in any way that their opinions aren't valid. It's not really that relevant anyway because it's mostly just woke nutjobs who care about this stuff. |
Anonymous
I know nothing about any of those people, so I have no idea if they were racist. However, connecting a song to Nazism because it contains the word “hail” is ridiculous. While it may be an archaic term today, it used to be more prevalent and is found in other (non-Nazi) songs like: Hail, Hail, the Gang’s All Here (1917) Hail Columbia (1789) |
Anonymous
It's specifically "Hail Victory". That is the literal translation of Sieg Heil" in English. The song was written in 1937. Hitler became Chancellor of Germany in 1933. "Sieg Heil" was used at least as early as 1934, possibly earlier. Could it be coincidence? Yes. However, given the world events, at the time, and the self confessed racial sentiments of the owner of the team the song was written for, it's also quite possible it was slipped in on purpose. Furthermore, the original lyrics weren't "fight for old D.C." It was "fight for Old Dixie." In what way was Washington, D.C. ever part of "Dixie"? It wasn't. It was the capital of the nation at war against "Dixie." Yes. In some ways Washington, and it's environs, used to be somewhat Southern but it was never part of Dixie. |
Anonymous
DC was in the South, surrounded by Southern States. The Whitehouse was built by slaves. Get out of here with your revisionist history. |
Anonymous
What part of Washington, D.C. was the capital of the nation that fought against the Confederacy is revisionist history? I don't actually think you even understand what the phrase means. Maryland had areas of Confederate sympathy but wasnt and isn't a "Southern" state. I'm from the South originally. If I were to ask my friends and neighbors they would agree. Maryland is not Southern. I understand some peckerwoods in PG, Charles and St. Mary's Counties like to think it is though. By the time your precious song was written, the war had long been over and the racist owner and his likely racist wife who wrote the song were Sieg Heiling and singing about dear Dixie from the capital that vanquished it. |
Anonymous
| I don’t understand how people think they are allowed to wear racist clothing when it clearly offends me? |
Anonymous
That's not true. The "weird criteria" to be enrolled are decided by the tribes themselves and if you don't meet them then you can't claim to be part of that tribe. I've never met anyone with a legitimate connection to a tribe that chose not to be enrolled, it is ALWAYS people with a vague family story who say this--and DNA testing company results show that about 99% of people who believe they have NA ancestry do not. The opinions of people who have only a family story, are not enrolled, and have no cultural or social ties to a tribe aren't valid because those are the opinions of white people who "play Indian" when they want to (like when they want to weigh in on the name of a football team" and at no other time have anything to do or any knowledge of native issues. It's like saying I know what black people think because I have a black friend. |
Anonymous
Maryland had slavery. Maryland was South of the Mason-Dixon line. It *was* a Southern State. I gather you live in Maryland and desperately want your fantasy to be true. |
Anonymous
Think what you want. I'll just assume you are one of the peckerwoods from Southern Maryland. Maryland still has zero to do with an unapologetic racist owner, and his likely racist song writing wife, writing a song about his team containing a Nazi salute, popular at the time it was written, and glorifying a slave holding white supremacist nation that didn't exist when they were alive. |
Anonymous
I would love to see the survey methodology that ensured they asked only verified native Americans Can you imagine if an Irish football club was considering changing its name and people expected them to take seriously a poll of Americans with Irish last names? |
Anonymous
I'm not the one that brought up Maryland as a strange defense that DC was not in the South. DC was most certainly in the South and did participate in slavery. Any belief that DC was not in the South is mistaken. It doesn't matter if DC didn't secede from the Union. It was still in the South. As far as your proof that the anthem is racist, you have a number of disconnected facts with nothing but pure speculation. The usage of hail in fight songs long predates Hitler's usage. |