CES qualification

[Anonymous]

Winter map results are out for third grade. Would love to know for those whose kids qualified last year what got them into the CES program. Assume A in reading, above grade level in reading and low farms school. What map R score to qualify?

[Anonymous]

Luck of the draw plus per the FAQ:
Grade 3 Marking Period 2 Reading ‘A’
Grade 3 Marking Period 2 Writing or Social Studies ‘A’
Reading level ‘On’ or ‘Above’
Winter MAP-R assessment in at or above the locally normed 85th percentile

[Anonymous]

My guess would be around 220? But that's just a guess.

[Anonymous]

Is it normal to score a lot higher in MCPS? We're at a low-FARM school, and my child got 98% in the winter assessment. Will this usually drop significantly after locally normalized?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is it normal to score a lot higher in MCPS? We're at a low-FARM school, and my child got 98% in the winter assessment. Will this usually drop significantly after locally normalized?

They don't give you your locally normed score, but yes, the cutoff for "top 15%" is a fair bit higher than the 85th percentile at low FARMS schools. Not as high as the 98th percentile, though, so your kid should be in the lottery.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it normal to score a lot higher in MCPS? We're at a low-FARM school, and my child got 98% in the winter assessment. Will this usually drop significantly after locally normalized?

They don't give you your locally normed score, but yes, the cutoff for "top 15%" is a fair bit higher than the 85th percentile at low FARMS schools. Not as high as the 98th percentile, though, so your kid should be in the lottery.

My older kid was 97% winter MAP in third grade in a low-FARM school and was not placed in the lottery. Not sure if he got As though, he probably did not. He has never liked reading and writing and struggled with written class work at that age. Nevertheless, he was placed in the advanced reading track at his home school and after some initial struggle, did really well there.

Younger kid, current third grader, is consistently 99% and As and adores reading and writing, so I assume he will placed in lottery, but also that he will not get a spot. Few kids from our home school go to CES - not sure if they don't get spots or just choose not to go. (They don't provide buses so we probably would not accept a spot for that reason alone. With our commutes, we can't drive there, and unlike our home school, it's too far to walk.)

[Anonymous]

When my child was in 3rd last year she had a winter MAP R of 96% at a High Farms school and all the other prerequisites. Not that it matters but she has the "gifted code" (this is just to show that it doesn't mean anything). She was placed in the lottery but didn't get selected. As far as I can tell, only 2 kids from her grade level went. One of which I know her scores were higher. One parent told me (she has twins with one that got in the CES and one got enrichment at the home school) that the CES program is definitely way more rigorous. That being said, my DD's school cohorts and all the kids in her class get enriched CKLA (I believe just a few extra units) and compact math. My DD has been happy and challenged enough that she still finds school interesting - it helps that this grade year band and chorus are options for them.

[Anonymous]

My current 4th grade CES kid got a 227 (98th percentile) in winter 3rd. Only 4 kids from her home school are at the CES with her. All were 98th/99th percentile (low farms school). Not sure about those who qualified for the lottery but didn’t get into the CES.

FWIW the CES has been wonderful. Exactly the rigor she and we needed. She’s on to reading her 4th novel study book…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Is it normal to score a lot higher in MCPS? We're at a low-FARM school, and my child got 98% in the winter assessment. Will this usually drop significantly after locally normalized?

They don't give you your locally normed score, but yes, the cutoff for "top 15%" is a fair bit higher than the 85th percentile at low FARMS schools. Not as high as the 98th percentile, though, so your kid should be in the lottery.

My older kid was 97% winter MAP in third grade in a low-FARM school and was not placed in the lottery. Not sure if he got As though, he probably did not. He has never liked reading and writing and struggled with written class work at that age. Nevertheless, he was placed in the advanced reading track at his home school and after some initial struggle, did really well there.

Younger kid, current third grader, is consistently 99% and As and adores reading and writing, so I assume he will placed in lottery, but also that he will not get a spot. Few kids from our home school go to CES - not sure if they don't get spots or just choose not to go. (They don't provide buses so we probably would not accept a spot for that reason alone. With our commutes, we can't drive there, and unlike our home school, it's too far to walk.)

They do provide transportation, they call it "central stop", it may not be walkable, but there are bus routes for all the CES sites. A lot of them are at elementary schools.

[Anonymous]

Time to clutch our pearls everyone. The CES will be reconsidered after Taylor finishes with the middle school programs. No there has not been official written notification of this yet, but it's coming.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Time to clutch our pearls everyone. The CES will be reconsidered after Taylor finishes with the middle school programs. No there has not been official written notification of this yet, but it's coming.

Of course it will be… because it’s not “equitable.” If everyone can’t have it no one can.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is it normal to score a lot higher in MCPS? We're at a low-FARM school, and my child got 98% in the winter assessment. Will this usually drop significantly after locally normalized?

They don't give you your locally normed score, but yes, the cutoff for "top 15%" is a fair bit higher than the 85th percentile at low FARMS schools. Not as high as the 98th percentile, though, so your kid should be in the lottery.

My older kid was 97% winter MAP in third grade in a low-FARM school and was not placed in the lottery. Not sure if he got As though, he probably did not. He has never liked reading and writing and struggled with written class work at that age. Nevertheless, he was placed in the advanced reading track at his home school and after some initial struggle, did really well there.

Younger kid, current third grader, is consistently 99% and As and adores reading and writing, so I assume he will placed in lottery, but also that he will not get a spot. Few kids from our home school go to CES - not sure if they don't get spots or just choose not to go. (They don't provide buses so we probably would not accept a spot for that reason alone. With our commutes, we can't drive there, and unlike our home school, it's too far to walk.)

They do provide transportation, they call it "central stop", it may not be walkable, but there are bus routes for all the CES sites. A lot of them are at elementary schools.

Thanks. Maybe I am reading the bus routes wrong but none of them, including the one that specifically said it was for CES, are anywhere near us. We currently walk 15 mins to school which is near the metro, then walk another 10 minutes to the metro to commute downtown. There did not seem to be anything remotely comparable - it would be faster to drive 10 mins to the school than to drive 15 mins to what appeared to be the bus stop to the school. But we don't want to have to drive to work or to metro so that's out. We are pretty happy with the home school anyway.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is it normal to score a lot higher in MCPS? We're at a low-FARM school, and my child got 98% in the winter assessment. Will this usually drop significantly after locally normalized?

They don't give you your locally normed score, but yes, the cutoff for "top 15%" is a fair bit higher than the 85th percentile at low FARMS schools. Not as high as the 98th percentile, though, so your kid should be in the lottery.

My older kid was 97% winter MAP in third grade in a low-FARM school and was not placed in the lottery. Not sure if he got As though, he probably did not. He has never liked reading and writing and struggled with written class work at that age. Nevertheless, he was placed in the advanced reading track at his home school and after some initial struggle, did really well there.

Younger kid, current third grader, is consistently 99% and As and adores reading and writing, so I assume he will placed in lottery, but also that he will not get a spot. Few kids from our home school go to CES - not sure if they don't get spots or just choose not to go. (They don't provide buses so we probably would not accept a spot for that reason alone. With our commutes, we can't drive there, and unlike our home school, it's too far to walk.)

They do provide transportation, they call it "central stop", it may not be walkable, but there are bus routes for all the CES sites. A lot of them are at elementary schools.

Thanks. Maybe I am reading the bus routes wrong but none of them, including the one that specifically said it was for CES, are anywhere near us. We currently walk 15 mins to school which is near the metro, then walk another 10 minutes to the metro to commute downtown. There did not seem to be anything remotely comparable - it would be faster to drive 10 mins to the school than to drive 15 mins to what appeared to be the bus stop to the school. But we don't want to have to drive to work or to metro so that's out. We are pretty happy with the home school anyway.

For the most part, the CES bus stop is at the home school. You have to figure out how to get to the home school as the CES bus typically comes and goes before the main buses come…

[Anonymous]

My current 5th grader at a high FARMS school got into the lottery with 69th percentile MAP-R score. MAP-M was 93rd percentile. DC never got a spot has gone up to 88th percentile for MAP-R and maintained the high MAP-M.

I’m not sure there would have been as much growth using the CES ELA curriculum. We compare it with CKLA often at play dates. My kid gets way more experience reading informational texts and writing g that demonstrates comprehension. CES seems to be more novel studies kind of thing. And I don’t trust any curriculum that MCPS wrote themselves!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My current 4th grade CES kid got a 227 (98th percentile) in winter 3rd. Only 4 kids from her home school are at the CES with her. All were 98th/99th percentile (low farms school). Not sure about those who qualified for the lottery but didn’t get into the CES.

FWIW the CES has been wonderful. Exactly the rigor she and we needed. She’s on to reading her 4th novel study book…

I'm so sad that my high scoring voracious reader did not get a lottery spot and has not been doing any novel studies at school as she's not in CES.