Second round options for Woodward boundary study

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious which option current WJ Cluster families prefer: A, B, C or D.

To me, B appears the best outcome.

WJ cluster is going to see some serious staffing cuts when a good portion of their school moves to Woodward.

Well yeah, that's the main reason they opened Woodward.

Yes, but when that happens, staffing will be cut which means classes will be cut.

Because they don't need as many staff members if there are fewer students!

For schools like WJ with relatively low FARMS rates this will be fine. It's the high FARMS schools that have trouble offering certain courses as it is that will struggle with lower enrollment, especially when half the high achieving cohort signs up for programs in low FARMS schools.

Will it be fine? There will be some serious cuts.

I mean they might lose a few of their least popular elective, but generally, yes, they will be fine. A lot of the cuts just amount to there being half as many staff left to teach all the basic core courses, but there will also be half as many students taking them so it works out fine.

The real classes at risk there or anywhere, are classes where there aren't that many kids taking them to start with. At schools like Einstein this may include some higher level academic classes, but I doubt that's the case at WJ. Both they and poorer schools facing cuts will instead be more likely to lose electives (and possibly certain foreign language classes, if there were ones with lower numbers of kids to start with.). If they previously barely filled a class for an elective, it's probably gone with the cuts.

WJ is the "less common languages" designated school in Region 3, so I would think its unlikely that they will lose languages. More likely in the other schools in the region. If language is important those kids will move to WJ (in theory, anyway). I wonder about the visual arts classes - a general high school may not be able to offer Ceramics, and Photography and Drawng/Painting at the same time. If that level of art engagement is a student's interest, they may need to move to the school that has those programs. If that is the case, I hope they have transfers/onramps after 8th grade. Because kids interests change

Good luck with that. It’s not just about interests. It’s about staffing. Lose 1/4 of the students lose 1/4 of the staff.

Staffing is always proportional to student enrollment. It wouldn't make any sense otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious which option current WJ Cluster families prefer: A, B, C or D.

To me, B appears the best outcome.

WJ cluster is going to see some serious staffing cuts when a good portion of their school moves to Woodward.

Well yeah, that's the main reason they opened Woodward.

Yes, but when that happens, staffing will be cut which means classes will be cut.

Because they don't need as many staff members if there are fewer students!

For schools like WJ with relatively low FARMS rates this will be fine. It's the high FARMS schools that have trouble offering certain courses as it is that will struggle with lower enrollment, especially when half the high achieving cohort signs up for programs in low FARMS schools.

Will it be fine? There will be some serious cuts.

I mean they might lose a few of their least popular elective, but generally, yes, they will be fine. A lot of the cuts just amount to there being half as many staff left to teach all the basic core courses, but there will also be half as many students taking them so it works out fine.

The real classes at risk there or anywhere, are classes where there aren't that many kids taking them to start with. At schools like Einstein this may include some higher level academic classes, but I doubt that's the case at WJ. Both they and poorer schools facing cuts will instead be more likely to lose electives (and possibly certain foreign language classes, if there were ones with lower numbers of kids to start with.). If they previously barely filled a class for an elective, it's probably gone with the cuts.

WJ is the "less common languages" designated school in Region 3, so I would think its unlikely that they will lose languages. More likely in the other schools in the region. If language is important those kids will move to WJ (in theory, anyway). I wonder about the visual arts classes - a general high school may not be able to offer Ceramics, and Photography and Drawng/Painting at the same time. If that level of art engagement is a student's interest, they may need to move to the school that has those programs. If that is the case, I hope they have transfers/onramps after 8th grade. Because kids interests change

Good luck with that. It’s not just about interests. It’s about staffing. Lose 1/4 of the students lose 1/4 of the staff.

Staffing is always proportional to student enrollment. It wouldn't make any sense otherwise.

Correct but what is each school going to lose in terms of classes with the staffing losses.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious which option current WJ Cluster families prefer: A, B, C or D.

To me, B appears the best outcome.

WJ cluster is going to see some serious staffing cuts when a good portion of their school moves to Woodward.

They are staffing Woodward only for 9th and 10th grade initially.

And, that’s only a few years. Then what?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious which option current WJ Cluster families prefer: A, B, C or D.

To me, B appears the best outcome.

WJ cluster is going to see some serious staffing cuts when a good portion of their school moves to Woodward.

Well yeah, that's the main reason they opened Woodward.

Yes, but when that happens, staffing will be cut which means classes will be cut.

Because they don't need as many staff members if there are fewer students!

For schools like WJ with relatively low FARMS rates this will be fine. It's the high FARMS schools that have trouble offering certain courses as it is that will struggle with lower enrollment, especially when half the high achieving cohort signs up for programs in low FARMS schools.

Will it be fine? There will be some serious cuts.

I mean they might lose a few of their least popular elective, but generally, yes, they will be fine. A lot of the cuts just amount to there being half as many staff left to teach all the basic core courses, but there will also be half as many students taking them so it works out fine.

The real classes at risk there or anywhere, are classes where there aren't that many kids taking them to start with. At schools like Einstein this may include some higher level academic classes, but I doubt that's the case at WJ. Both they and poorer schools facing cuts will instead be more likely to lose electives (and possibly certain foreign language classes, if there were ones with lower numbers of kids to start with.). If they previously barely filled a class for an elective, it's probably gone with the cuts.

Einstein doesn’t have many upper level classes. So, if those are cut, it will not meet the BOE minimum.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious which option current WJ Cluster families prefer: A, B, C or D.

To me, B appears the best outcome.

WJ cluster is going to see some serious staffing cuts when a good portion of their school moves to Woodward.

Well yeah, that's the main reason they opened Woodward.

Yes, but when that happens, staffing will be cut which means classes will be cut.

Because they don't need as many staff members if there are fewer students!

For schools like WJ with relatively low FARMS rates this will be fine. It's the high FARMS schools that have trouble offering certain courses as it is that will struggle with lower enrollment, especially when half the high achieving cohort signs up for programs in low FARMS schools.

Will it be fine? There will be some serious cuts.

I mean they might lose a few of their least popular elective, but generally, yes, they will be fine. A lot of the cuts just amount to there being half as many staff left to teach all the basic core courses, but there will also be half as many students taking them so it works out fine.

The real classes at risk there or anywhere, are classes where there aren't that many kids taking them to start with. At schools like Einstein this may include some higher level academic classes, but I doubt that's the case at WJ. Both they and poorer schools facing cuts will instead be more likely to lose electives (and possibly certain foreign language classes, if there were ones with lower numbers of kids to start with.). If they previously barely filled a class for an elective, it's probably gone with the cuts.

WJ is the "less common languages" designated school in Region 3, so I would think its unlikely that they will lose languages. More likely in the other schools in the region. If language is important those kids will move to WJ (in theory, anyway). I wonder about the visual arts classes - a general high school may not be able to offer Ceramics, and Photography and Drawng/Painting at the same time. If that level of art engagement is a student's interest, they may need to move to the school that has those programs. If that is the case, I hope they have transfers/onramps after 8th grade. Because kids interests change

Good luck with that. It’s not just about interests. It’s about staffing. Lose 1/4 of the students lose 1/4 of the staff.

Staffing is always proportional to student enrollment. It wouldn't make any sense otherwise.

Correct but what is each school going to lose in terms of classes with the staffing losses.

That's really up to the principal.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious which option current WJ Cluster families prefer: A, B, C or D.

To me, B appears the best outcome.

WJ cluster is going to see some serious staffing cuts when a good portion of their school moves to Woodward.

Well yeah, that's the main reason they opened Woodward.

Yes, but when that happens, staffing will be cut which means classes will be cut.

Because they don't need as many staff members if there are fewer students!

For schools like WJ with relatively low FARMS rates this will be fine. It's the high FARMS schools that have trouble offering certain courses as it is that will struggle with lower enrollment, especially when half the high achieving cohort signs up for programs in low FARMS schools.

Will it be fine? There will be some serious cuts.

I mean they might lose a few of their least popular elective, but generally, yes, they will be fine. A lot of the cuts just amount to there being half as many staff left to teach all the basic core courses, but there will also be half as many students taking them so it works out fine.

The real classes at risk there or anywhere, are classes where there aren't that many kids taking them to start with. At schools like Einstein this may include some higher level academic classes, but I doubt that's the case at WJ. Both they and poorer schools facing cuts will instead be more likely to lose electives (and possibly certain foreign language classes, if there were ones with lower numbers of kids to start with.). If they previously barely filled a class for an elective, it's probably gone with the cuts.

WJ is the "less common languages" designated school in Region 3, so I would think its unlikely that they will lose languages. More likely in the other schools in the region. If language is important those kids will move to WJ (in theory, anyway). I wonder about the visual arts classes - a general high school may not be able to offer Ceramics, and Photography and Drawng/Painting at the same time. If that level of art engagement is a student's interest, they may need to move to the school that has those programs. If that is the case, I hope they have transfers/onramps after 8th grade. Because kids interests change

Good luck with that. It’s not just about interests. It’s about staffing. Lose 1/4 of the students lose 1/4 of the staff.

Staffing is always proportional to student enrollment. It wouldn't make any sense otherwise.

Correct but what is each school going to lose in terms of classes with the staffing losses.

I mean, most of it (not all of it) is going to be stuff like you need 1/4 fewer English 9 classes so you have 1/4 fewer English 9 teachers, you need 1/4 fewer Algebra 2 classes so you have 1/4 fewer Algebra 2 teachers, etc... in those cases the impacts are almost invisible for kids. it's mostly just the least popular electives where there's a real impact on students (and if there are any high-level classes that they don't usually run multiple sections of.)

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious which option current WJ Cluster families prefer: A, B, C or D.

To me, B appears the best outcome.

WJ cluster is going to see some serious staffing cuts when a good portion of their school moves to Woodward.

Well yeah, that's the main reason they opened Woodward.

Yes, but when that happens, staffing will be cut which means classes will be cut.

Because they don't need as many staff members if there are fewer students!

For schools like WJ with relatively low FARMS rates this will be fine. It's the high FARMS schools that have trouble offering certain courses as it is that will struggle with lower enrollment, especially when half the high achieving cohort signs up for programs in low FARMS schools.

Will it be fine? There will be some serious cuts.

I mean they might lose a few of their least popular elective, but generally, yes, they will be fine. A lot of the cuts just amount to there being half as many staff left to teach all the basic core courses, but there will also be half as many students taking them so it works out fine.

The real classes at risk there or anywhere, are classes where there aren't that many kids taking them to start with. At schools like Einstein this may include some higher level academic classes, but I doubt that's the case at WJ. Both they and poorer schools facing cuts will instead be more likely to lose electives (and possibly certain foreign language classes, if there were ones with lower numbers of kids to start with.). If they previously barely filled a class for an elective, it's probably gone with the cuts.

WJ is the "less common languages" designated school in Region 3, so I would think its unlikely that they will lose languages. More likely in the other schools in the region. If language is important those kids will move to WJ (in theory, anyway). I wonder about the visual arts classes - a general high school may not be able to offer Ceramics, and Photography and Drawng/Painting at the same time. If that level of art engagement is a student's interest, they may need to move to the school that has those programs. If that is the case, I hope they have transfers/onramps after 8th grade. Because kids interests change

Good luck with that. It’s not just about interests. It’s about staffing. Lose 1/4 of the students lose 1/4 of the staff.

Staffing is always proportional to student enrollment. It wouldn't make any sense otherwise.

Correct but what is each school going to lose in terms of classes with the staffing losses.

That's really up to the principal.

If the principal makes serious cuts how long till families get upset and act like they did not know?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious which option current WJ Cluster families prefer: A, B, C or D.

To me, B appears the best outcome.

WJ cluster is going to see some serious staffing cuts when a good portion of their school moves to Woodward.

Well yeah, that's the main reason they opened Woodward.

Yes, but when that happens, staffing will be cut which means classes will be cut.

Because they don't need as many staff members if there are fewer students!

For schools like WJ with relatively low FARMS rates this will be fine. It's the high FARMS schools that have trouble offering certain courses as it is that will struggle with lower enrollment, especially when half the high achieving cohort signs up for programs in low FARMS schools.

Will it be fine? There will be some serious cuts.

I mean they might lose a few of their least popular elective, but generally, yes, they will be fine. A lot of the cuts just amount to there being half as many staff left to teach all the basic core courses, but there will also be half as many students taking them so it works out fine.

The real classes at risk there or anywhere, are classes where there aren't that many kids taking them to start with. At schools like Einstein this may include some higher level academic classes, but I doubt that's the case at WJ. Both they and poorer schools facing cuts will instead be more likely to lose electives (and possibly certain foreign language classes, if there were ones with lower numbers of kids to start with.). If they previously barely filled a class for an elective, it's probably gone with the cuts.

WJ is the "less common languages" designated school in Region 3, so I would think its unlikely that they will lose languages. More likely in the other schools in the region. If language is important those kids will move to WJ (in theory, anyway). I wonder about the visual arts classes - a general high school may not be able to offer Ceramics, and Photography and Drawng/Painting at the same time. If that level of art engagement is a student's interest, they may need to move to the school that has those programs. If that is the case, I hope they have transfers/onramps after 8th grade. Because kids interests change

Good luck with that. It’s not just about interests. It’s about staffing. Lose 1/4 of the students lose 1/4 of the staff.

Staffing is always proportional to student enrollment. It wouldn't make any sense otherwise.

Correct but what is each school going to lose in terms of classes with the staffing losses.

I mean, most of it (not all of it) is going to be stuff like you need 1/4 fewer English 9 classes so you have 1/4 fewer English 9 teachers, you need 1/4 fewer Algebra 2 classes so you have 1/4 fewer Algebra 2 teachers, etc... in those cases the impacts are almost invisible for kids. it's mostly just the least popular electives where there's a real impact on students (and if there are any high-level classes that they don't usually run multiple sections of.)

That’s not how it works.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious which option current WJ Cluster families prefer: A, B, C or D.

To me, B appears the best outcome.

WJ cluster is going to see some serious staffing cuts when a good portion of their school moves to Woodward.

Well yeah, that's the main reason they opened Woodward.

Yes, but when that happens, staffing will be cut which means classes will be cut.

Because they don't need as many staff members if there are fewer students!

For schools like WJ with relatively low FARMS rates this will be fine. It's the high FARMS schools that have trouble offering certain courses as it is that will struggle with lower enrollment, especially when half the high achieving cohort signs up for programs in low FARMS schools.

Will it be fine? There will be some serious cuts.

I mean they might lose a few of their least popular elective, but generally, yes, they will be fine. A lot of the cuts just amount to there being half as many staff left to teach all the basic core courses, but there will also be half as many students taking them so it works out fine.

The real classes at risk there or anywhere, are classes where there aren't that many kids taking them to start with. At schools like Einstein this may include some higher level academic classes, but I doubt that's the case at WJ. Both they and poorer schools facing cuts will instead be more likely to lose electives (and possibly certain foreign language classes, if there were ones with lower numbers of kids to start with.). If they previously barely filled a class for an elective, it's probably gone with the cuts.

WJ is the "less common languages" designated school in Region 3, so I would think its unlikely that they will lose languages. More likely in the other schools in the region. If language is important those kids will move to WJ (in theory, anyway). I wonder about the visual arts classes - a general high school may not be able to offer Ceramics, and Photography and Drawng/Painting at the same time. If that level of art engagement is a student's interest, they may need to move to the school that has those programs. If that is the case, I hope they have transfers/onramps after 8th grade. Because kids interests change

Good luck with that. It’s not just about interests. It’s about staffing. Lose 1/4 of the students lose 1/4 of the staff.

Staffing is always proportional to student enrollment. It wouldn't make any sense otherwise.

Correct but what is each school going to lose in terms of classes with the staffing losses.

I mean, most of it (not all of it) is going to be stuff like you need 1/4 fewer English 9 classes so you have 1/4 fewer English 9 teachers, you need 1/4 fewer Algebra 2 classes so you have 1/4 fewer Algebra 2 teachers, etc... in those cases the impacts are almost invisible for kids. it's mostly just the least popular electives where there's a real impact on students (and if there are any high-level classes that they don't usually run multiple sections of.)

That’s not how it works.

How does it work?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious which option current WJ Cluster families prefer: A, B, C or D.

To me, B appears the best outcome.

WJ cluster is going to see some serious staffing cuts when a good portion of their school moves to Woodward.

Well yeah, that's the main reason they opened Woodward.

Yes, but when that happens, staffing will be cut which means classes will be cut.

Because they don't need as many staff members if there are fewer students!

For schools like WJ with relatively low FARMS rates this will be fine. It's the high FARMS schools that have trouble offering certain courses as it is that will struggle with lower enrollment, especially when half the high achieving cohort signs up for programs in low FARMS schools.

Will it be fine? There will be some serious cuts.

I mean they might lose a few of their least popular elective, but generally, yes, they will be fine. A lot of the cuts just amount to there being half as many staff left to teach all the basic core courses, but there will also be half as many students taking them so it works out fine.

The real classes at risk there or anywhere, are classes where there aren't that many kids taking them to start with. At schools like Einstein this may include some higher level academic classes, but I doubt that's the case at WJ. Both they and poorer schools facing cuts will instead be more likely to lose electives (and possibly certain foreign language classes, if there were ones with lower numbers of kids to start with.). If they previously barely filled a class for an elective, it's probably gone with the cuts.

WJ is the "less common languages" designated school in Region 3, so I would think its unlikely that they will lose languages. More likely in the other schools in the region. If language is important those kids will move to WJ (in theory, anyway). I wonder about the visual arts classes - a general high school may not be able to offer Ceramics, and Photography and Drawng/Painting at the same time. If that level of art engagement is a student's interest, they may need to move to the school that has those programs. If that is the case, I hope they have transfers/onramps after 8th grade. Because kids interests change

Good luck with that. It’s not just about interests. It’s about staffing. Lose 1/4 of the students lose 1/4 of the staff.

Staffing is always proportional to student enrollment. It wouldn't make any sense otherwise.

Correct but what is each school going to lose in terms of classes with the staffing losses.

I mean, most of it (not all of it) is going to be stuff like you need 1/4 fewer English 9 classes so you have 1/4 fewer English 9 teachers, you need 1/4 fewer Algebra 2 classes so you have 1/4 fewer Algebra 2 teachers, etc... in those cases the impacts are almost invisible for kids. it's mostly just the least popular electives where there's a real impact on students (and if there are any high-level classes that they don't usually run multiple sections of.)

That’s not how it works.

How does it work?

They will make sure the kids with the highest needs classes are met, then graduation requirements then fill in depending on what teachers they have. It’s not cutting 1-4 sections of each class.

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Anonymous wrote:Rough crowd. None of what you have to say matters anyway, the BOE and Co. Council will just do what they want to do that is in the name of equity, but really is just to cut costs, cost of buses, experienced teacher salaries, some curricular costs, as well as badly aging infrastructure costs, as best they can. They do not give one shit what any taxpayer and/or parent thinks and as long as the W schools, Wheaton not included, remain as they are and/or are no longer over capacity, the poor kids will take the brunt, and that's fine by the BOE.

Wheaton is lacking in the arts and in other areas.

Arts? Seriously? Who cares about that.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious which option current WJ Cluster families prefer: A, B, C or D.

To me, B appears the best outcome.

WJ cluster is going to see some serious staffing cuts when a good portion of their school moves to Woodward.

They'll be appropriately sized for student population. I know of some Northwood High (currently housed at Woodward) teachers who would prefer to switch to new Woodward when it opens, than return to Northwood (after Northwood construction is complete). Hard to speculate where any new principal will hire their staff from. I'm sure many WJ teachers are happy where they are. #1 factor for job satisfaction is who your boss is. Teachers have same pay, benefits, and pension regardless of school.

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Anonymous wrote:What's the latest status on this? Weren't we supposed to get additional options due to potential closing of SSIM?

Also, once the survey closes, how is the public involved thereafter? Is there a comment period on the Superintendent's proposal?

I believe those are coming after Thanksgiving.

But survey is due Nov. 25? weird.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious which option current WJ Cluster families prefer: A, B, C or D.

To me, B appears the best outcome.

WJ cluster is going to see some serious staffing cuts when a good portion of their school moves to Woodward.

Well yeah, that's the main reason they opened Woodward.

Yes, but when that happens, staffing will be cut which means classes will be cut.

Because they don't need as many staff members if there are fewer students!

For schools like WJ with relatively low FARMS rates this will be fine. It's the high FARMS schools that have trouble offering certain courses as it is that will struggle with lower enrollment, especially when half the high achieving cohort signs up for programs in low FARMS schools.

Will it be fine? There will be some serious cuts.

The good teachers will stay at WJ. Why gamble on a new student population and a new boss if you are happy at your current job with current boss. It's not like you'll get a massive raise to move to Woodward.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious which option current WJ Cluster families prefer: A, B, C or D.

To me, B appears the best outcome.

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