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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This discussion is very similar to the Pride 2023 saga several years back. I am copying a post from another forum that provides some of the cautionary tale:

Anonymous wrote:This is all rooted in the Pride 2023 class, which arguably had the best HS team in the area that year. That class with the exception of one player all chose to stay together, never even trying out for Capital, and trusting KM would live up to the recruiting promises made to players. Big mistake.

Pride’s recruiting efforts were green and poorly run with that class. The club lost their recruiting director, who went on to be the Head Coach at American. She was great and helpful, but the players were on their first high school year with her. But she had a plan for each player. The former GMU coach who took over simply did not care, had no plan for individual players, and seemed to have a general lack of interest in her job with Pride. KM did nothing to address the issue until it was too late for that class.

The 2023s who have gone on to play in college from that team did all the work on their own. Being the first true recruiting class for Pride they had no history to fall back on, no former recruits from the club to follow, and really no college coach connections to rely on from the club. As a result of all of this the class struggled with little guidance and know-how. The results were not good, and these fell squarely on KM and Pride.

This class was supposed to be KMs springboard for her HS program. She had a large group of the areas best players that played in the top brackets, had a top 5 strength of schedule, and played the best teams close. KM simply failed to capitalize on their talent. She could have built a great HS brand and experience on this class, but she threw it all away by not delivering on why most play club - to get recruited. The following Pride classes took notice and KM has not had a class like the 2023s willing to stay together since. Expectedly and wisely so, they have gone to back to Capital who does have a strong history of getting players recruited.

Most of the kids that get recruited do the work on their own.

Also Don't confuse a good team with elite skills and talent. Sounds like this pride team was a collection of good players but lacked elite players.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This discussion is very similar to the Pride 2023 saga several years back. I am copying a post from another forum that provides some of the cautionary tale:

Anonymous wrote:This is all rooted in the Pride 2023 class, which arguably had the best HS team in the area that year. That class with the exception of one player all chose to stay together, never even trying out for Capital, and trusting KM would live up to the recruiting promises made to players. Big mistake.

Pride’s recruiting efforts were green and poorly run with that class. The club lost their recruiting director, who went on to be the Head Coach at American. She was great and helpful, but the players were on their first high school year with her. But she had a plan for each player. The former GMU coach who took over simply did not care, had no plan for individual players, and seemed to have a general lack of interest in her job with Pride. KM did nothing to address the issue until it was too late for that class.

The 2023s who have gone on to play in college from that team did all the work on their own. Being the first true recruiting class for Pride they had no history to fall back on, no former recruits from the club to follow, and really no college coach connections to rely on from the club. As a result of all of this the class struggled with little guidance and know-how. The results were not good, and these fell squarely on KM and Pride.

This class was supposed to be KMs springboard for her HS program. She had a large group of the areas best players that played in the top brackets, had a top 5 strength of schedule, and played the best teams close. KM simply failed to capitalize on their talent. She could have built a great HS brand and experience on this class, but she threw it all away by not delivering on why most play club - to get recruited. The following Pride classes took notice and KM has not had a class like the 2023s willing to stay together since. Expectedly and wisely so, they have gone to back to Capital who does have a strong history of getting players recruited.

Most of the kids that get recruited do the work on their own.

Also Don't confuse a good team with elite skills and talent. Sounds like this pride team was a collection of good players but lacked elite players.

I suppose each recruited player has their own path, but my daughter definitely did not do the work on her own. Certainly, she was involved in the process, but she could not have done it without her club. She would not have known where to start, and her parents were no help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This discussion is very similar to the Pride 2023 saga several years back. I am copying a post from another forum that provides some of the cautionary tale:

Anonymous wrote:This is all rooted in the Pride 2023 class, which arguably had the best HS team in the area that year. That class with the exception of one player all chose to stay together, never even trying out for Capital, and trusting KM would live up to the recruiting promises made to players. Big mistake.

Pride’s recruiting efforts were green and poorly run with that class. The club lost their recruiting director, who went on to be the Head Coach at American. She was great and helpful, but the players were on their first high school year with her. But she had a plan for each player. The former GMU coach who took over simply did not care, had no plan for individual players, and seemed to have a general lack of interest in her job with Pride. KM did nothing to address the issue until it was too late for that class.

The 2023s who have gone on to play in college from that team did all the work on their own. Being the first true recruiting class for Pride they had no history to fall back on, no former recruits from the club to follow, and really no college coach connections to rely on from the club. As a result of all of this the class struggled with little guidance and know-how. The results were not good, and these fell squarely on KM and Pride.

This class was supposed to be KMs springboard for her HS program. She had a large group of the areas best players that played in the top brackets, had a top 5 strength of schedule, and played the best teams close. KM simply failed to capitalize on their talent. She could have built a great HS brand and experience on this class, but she threw it all away by not delivering on why most play club - to get recruited. The following Pride classes took notice and KM has not had a class like the 2023s willing to stay together since. Expectedly and wisely so, they have gone to back to Capital who does have a strong history of getting players recruited.

KM screwed those kids over knowing she was taking over ULT. Also, that Pride team wasn't as talented individually as the 2029 MDDC team. You can talk about their accolades but there's a huge difference. While Pride played well as a team, individually they weren't elite. Those players are now in the soph season at college. Only a few are contributing. Coaches had a correct read on that team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This discussion is very similar to the Pride 2023 saga several years back. I am copying a post from another forum that provides some of the cautionary tale:

Anonymous wrote:This is all rooted in the Pride 2023 class, which arguably had the best HS team in the area that year. That class with the exception of one player all chose to stay together, never even trying out for Capital, and trusting KM would live up to the recruiting promises made to players. Big mistake.

Pride’s recruiting efforts were green and poorly run with that class. The club lost their recruiting director, who went on to be the Head Coach at American. She was great and helpful, but the players were on their first high school year with her. But she had a plan for each player. The former GMU coach who took over simply did not care, had no plan for individual players, and seemed to have a general lack of interest in her job with Pride. KM did nothing to address the issue until it was too late for that class.

The 2023s who have gone on to play in college from that team did all the work on their own. Being the first true recruiting class for Pride they had no history to fall back on, no former recruits from the club to follow, and really no college coach connections to rely on from the club. As a result of all of this the class struggled with little guidance and know-how. The results were not good, and these fell squarely on KM and Pride.

This class was supposed to be KMs springboard for her HS program. She had a large group of the areas best players that played in the top brackets, had a top 5 strength of schedule, and played the best teams close. KM simply failed to capitalize on their talent. She could have built a great HS brand and experience on this class, but she threw it all away by not delivering on why most play club - to get recruited. The following Pride classes took notice and KM has not had a class like the 2023s willing to stay together since. Expectedly and wisely so, they have gone to back to Capital who does have a strong history of getting players recruited.

Most of the kids that get recruited do the work on their own.

Also Don't confuse a good team with elite skills and talent. Sounds like this pride team was a collection of good players but lacked elite players.

So that’s what it “sounds like” from the least knowledgeable and wise person on this forum. Okay then.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This discussion is very similar to the Pride 2023 saga several years back. I am copying a post from another forum that provides some of the cautionary tale:

Anonymous wrote:This is all rooted in the Pride 2023 class, which arguably had the best HS team in the area that year. That class with the exception of one player all chose to stay together, never even trying out for Capital, and trusting KM would live up to the recruiting promises made to players. Big mistake.

Pride’s recruiting efforts were green and poorly run with that class. The club lost their recruiting director, who went on to be the Head Coach at American. She was great and helpful, but the players were on their first high school year with her. But she had a plan for each player. The former GMU coach who took over simply did not care, had no plan for individual players, and seemed to have a general lack of interest in her job with Pride. KM did nothing to address the issue until it was too late for that class.

The 2023s who have gone on to play in college from that team did all the work on their own. Being the first true recruiting class for Pride they had no history to fall back on, no former recruits from the club to follow, and really no college coach connections to rely on from the club. As a result of all of this the class struggled with little guidance and know-how. The results were not good, and these fell squarely on KM and Pride.

This class was supposed to be KMs springboard for her HS program. She had a large group of the areas best players that played in the top brackets, had a top 5 strength of schedule, and played the best teams close. KM simply failed to capitalize on their talent. She could have built a great HS brand and experience on this class, but she threw it all away by not delivering on why most play club - to get recruited. The following Pride classes took notice and KM has not had a class like the 2023s willing to stay together since. Expectedly and wisely so, they have gone to back to Capital who does have a strong history of getting players recruited.

Most of the kids that get recruited do the work on their own.

Also Don't confuse a good team with elite skills and talent. Sounds like this pride team was a collection of good players but lacked elite players.

So that’s what it “sounds like” from the least knowledgeable and wise person on this forum. Okay then.

Did I push your buttons? It's ok, you can keep posting your Capital propaganda thinking people care.

- Least Knowledgeable person in this forum

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This discussion is very similar to the Pride 2023 saga several years back. I am copying a post from another forum that provides some of the cautionary tale:

Anonymous wrote:This is all rooted in the Pride 2023 class, which arguably had the best HS team in the area that year. That class with the exception of one player all chose to stay together, never even trying out for Capital, and trusting KM would live up to the recruiting promises made to players. Big mistake.

Pride’s recruiting efforts were green and poorly run with that class. The club lost their recruiting director, who went on to be the Head Coach at American. She was great and helpful, but the players were on their first high school year with her. But she had a plan for each player. The former GMU coach who took over simply did not care, had no plan for individual players, and seemed to have a general lack of interest in her job with Pride. KM did nothing to address the issue until it was too late for that class.

The 2023s who have gone on to play in college from that team did all the work on their own. Being the first true recruiting class for Pride they had no history to fall back on, no former recruits from the club to follow, and really no college coach connections to rely on from the club. As a result of all of this the class struggled with little guidance and know-how. The results were not good, and these fell squarely on KM and Pride.

This class was supposed to be KMs springboard for her HS program. She had a large group of the areas best players that played in the top brackets, had a top 5 strength of schedule, and played the best teams close. KM simply failed to capitalize on their talent. She could have built a great HS brand and experience on this class, but she threw it all away by not delivering on why most play club - to get recruited. The following Pride classes took notice and KM has not had a class like the 2023s willing to stay together since. Expectedly and wisely so, they have gone to back to Capital who does have a strong history of getting players recruited.

This was a very good post - thank you!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No team that’s ever chosen to stick together instead of joining a more established club has ever had proven success with recruiting results. Ever. Those facts do not lie.

Using your metrics for established, of course. There are new teams in the top 20 every year. There are other longer standing ones, too. Hero's and M&D have been targeted by you Cap crazies lately, saying there are none or nearly none of them on the by far top 3 teams in the country. And you just made that up, so it's not a "stat". GTFOHWTN.

Don't run your mouth unless you're ready to back it up. Please challenge the accuracy of these stats:

Top three teams:

UNC:
Godine (M&D 2022)
Casey (Cap 2020)
Levy (M&D 2024 / Daughter of HC)
No Hero's players

NW:
Archer (Cap 2023)
No Hero's OR M&D players

BC:
O’Connor (Cap 2022)
Oliver (M&D 2022)
Bennett (M&D 2022)
No Hero's players

You're making my point, numnutz. The PP said you have to be on am "established" team or you'll get whitewashed in recruiting. Meanwhile, of 3 "established" teams, one in a steep decline, there's only a triclkle of players out of ~115 rostered players on the even very best teams. It's just more nonsense after nonsense with you folks.

And you've posted it like it's awesome now dozens of times.

The rest of the players on these teams are from NY, Mass and Philly (in that order) on more established (and better) teams than anything MD can offer. You claimed I made the stats up, so I chose to shove them down your throat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why are these Cap groupies so adamant about what parents do with their children? The posters trolling the internet wee hours to provide input on something that has nothing to do with them. Why the continued back n forth? It is the definition of unhinged, you have no skin in the game.

If people want to make an uninformed decision with their children, let them. You provided your input, now go enjoy that D1 scholarship your kid earned.

You haven’t asked why the MDDC groupies are so adamant about what parents do with their children. Their posters are trolling the internet at wee hours trying to convince parents to toss their daughters’ futures for the club’s administrators’ own financial benefit. That’s not just unhinged, it’s pretty diabolical. You’re right: I don’t have any skin in this game. Those trashing Cap and pushing MDDC, OTOH, do - it’s about financial gain at player expense.

[Anonymous]

Haha they have 29s which makes them invested in the 2029 DCUM forum. Parents are generally here trying to discern information and to make the best decision for their situation.

Someone posting in the wee hours with no skin in the game, is unhinged. It’s an anonymous forum, it’s ok, be who you want to be. The mirror doesn’t lie…(subtle jab)

Enjoy your D1 experience. I am sure your child has worked very hard to get where she is. You have sacrificed a lot as well, be proud but humble.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No team that’s ever chosen to stick together instead of joining a more established club has ever had proven success with recruiting results. Ever. Those facts do not lie.

Using your metrics for established, of course. There are new teams in the top 20 every year. There are other longer standing ones, too. Hero's and M&D have been targeted by you Cap crazies lately, saying there are none or nearly none of them on the by far top 3 teams in the country. And you just made that up, so it's not a "stat". GTFOHWTN.

Don't run your mouth unless you're ready to back it up. Please challenge the accuracy of these stats:

Top three teams:

UNC:
Godine (M&D 2022)
Casey (Cap 2020)
Levy (M&D 2024 / Daughter of HC)
No Hero's players

NW:
Archer (Cap 2023)
No Hero's OR M&D players

BC:
O’Connor (Cap 2022)
Oliver (M&D 2022)
Bennett (M&D 2022)
No Hero's players

You're making my point, numnutz. The PP said you have to be on am "established" team or you'll get whitewashed in recruiting. Meanwhile, of 3 "established" teams, one in a steep decline, there's only a triclkle of players out of ~115 rostered players on the even very best teams. It's just more nonsense after nonsense with you folks.

And you've posted it like it's awesome now dozens of times.

The rest of the players on these teams are from NY, Mass and Philly (in that order) on more established (and better) teams than anything MD can offer. You claimed I made the stats up, so I chose to shove them down your throat.

I said you made the stat up about a team staying together that wasn't "established" has never had good recruiting results. You're a clown.

I brought up the "established" teams that you and your crazies widely quote for the top college teams as there are so few of them. Meaning... even those own-tier teams have plenty of players from your version of "non-established" club teams. as do plenty of other top 25 college squads. And now... Capital won't be playing in front of any of those college coaches very much. So it's a new world for them.

Why are you even here? Isn't your DD already set up?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are these Cap groupies so adamant about what parents do with their children? The posters trolling the internet wee hours to provide input on something that has nothing to do with them. Why the continued back n forth? It is the definition of unhinged, you have no skin in the game.

If people want to make an uninformed decision with their children, let them. You provided your input, now go enjoy that D1 scholarship your kid earned.

You haven’t asked why the MDDC groupies are so adamant about what parents do with their children. Their posters are trolling the internet at wee hours trying to convince parents to toss their daughters’ futures for the club’s administrators’ own financial benefit. That’s not just unhinged, it’s pretty diabolical. You’re right: I don’t have any skin in this game. Those trashing Cap and pushing MDDC, OTOH, do - it’s about financial gain at player expense.

Please quote just one post from a MDDC groupie that is adamant about what parents do with their children. Just one. Provide the page as well.

[Anonymous]

It is unfortunate M&D DC has the worst possible DCUM spokesperson. It is so off-putting I wonder whether it is a psyop run by those dastardly Capital supporters. Hoo boy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is unfortunate M&D DC has the worst possible DCUM spokesperson. It is so off-putting I wonder whether it is a psyop run by those dastardly Capital supporters. Hoo boy.

I think unhinged MDDC parents who are desperately trying to save the team to keep their daughter relevant is orchestrating/puppeteering behind the scenes. They already tried that last year. They know their daughter won't make Capitals so they're trying hard to keep the team together for their daughter. Kinda sad imo. I honestly don't think Capitals care who comes to tryouts. They'll field a strong blue team and maybe a lesser orange team and will develop them all. If all the top girls from the clubs join Capitals, then it could be two strong teams for them for the 2029s. Let the girls play well and develop and trust the process at whichever club they land.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is unfortunate M&D DC has the worst possible DCUM spokesperson. It is so off-putting I wonder whether it is a psyop run by those dastardly Capital supporters. Hoo boy.

Great. So quote a post where one DCUM poster is adamant about what other parents do with their DD. One.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is unfortunate M&D DC has the worst possible DCUM spokesperson. It is so off-putting I wonder whether it is a psyop run by those dastardly Capital supporters. Hoo boy.

I think unhinged MDDC parents who are desperately trying to save the team to keep their daughter relevant is orchestrating/puppeteering behind the scenes. They already tried that last year. They know their daughter won't make Capitals so they're trying hard to keep the team together for their daughter. Kinda sad imo. I honestly don't think Capitals care who comes to tryouts. They'll field a strong blue team and maybe a lesser orange team and will develop them all. If all the top girls from the clubs join Capitals, then it could be two strong teams for them for the 2029s. Let the girls play well and develop and trust the process at whichever club they land.

If a parent is willing to go through so much for their daughter, I'm ok with that. Let's just do it with some class without launching a smear campaign against another club. Then you will look less crazy.