Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)

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Anonymous wrote:I predict FCPS would choose Option B or something close to it, where the vast majority of Crossfield kids won't get moved.

Read Sample Letter #1.

At a minimum, we request that the same number of boundary scenario maps be released for the Western High School as have been provided for other boundary studies. Without this, it is impossible for families to provide informed feedback.

The pro-Oakton families asked for multiple scenarios, and FCPS gave them four options.

Also from Letter 1:

Finally, I respectfully request that FCPS pause and slow down the Western High School boundary revision process until comprehensive, transparent, and equitable information is shared.

The pro-Oakton families requested that FCPS pause and slow down the Western High School boundary revision process, and FCPS responded by delaying the decision until June.

Now the pro-Oakton families are pivoting to Option B since the magnet school is off the table. Read Sample Letter #4.

I urge the School Board to select Boundary Option B and to demonstrate its commitment to stability, continuity, and student-centered decision-making.

I think they are going to get what they want.

The only question is Mr. McDaniel, as he was the only one openly asking for relief to Oakton and a solution for the long ride from Crossfield to Oakton.

But for other board members, it would be an easy choice. The Western HS won't be like Justice HS, where nobody wanted to be reassigned to. Other elementary school parents, including Floris, McNair, Coates, Oak Hill, and Fox Mill parents, would actively want or not mind moving to the Western HS.

You're under-estimating the number of Chantilly families who'd prefer to stay at Chantilly rather than move to a new school.

Overestimating the degree to which other groups want to attend the new school is a core part of the rooted in Oakton strategy. Note they are also happy to say that the Oak Hill ES community would just be fine with getting moved to Carson and out of Franklin, so they can slide in there.

The School Board set the parameters for the boundary study. They should use those to set the boundaries for the new school. This is not that hard.

I would say that most people want to stay where they are. That is not how you do this.

Well here are what FCPS states as their priorities for the boundary review:

1. Ensure equitable access to programs and facilities.
2. Balance available capacity to make the best use of our school facilities.
3. Establish consistent “attendance zones” by removing isolated attendance areas and reducing split feeder patterns. This would increase the likelihood that students from the same neighborhood would be assigned to the same schools which are also the closest option.
4. Minimize travel time for students.

I agree they ought to be using objective criteria and not let emotional arguments sway the decision making. The problem is they opened that can of worms with the way they’ve been conducting meetings. They are afraid of making people upset. So here we are in a situation where everyone thinks if they just complain enough they can influence the school board to do what they want. Some people didn’t learn the important lessons when they were kids that the world doesn’t revolve around them and that life isn’t always fair. Some people will be more affected by boundary changes as a result of where they live. It’s not personal.

Yeah, the school board should just F all of their constituents raw dog. They should rip kids away from their friends, teachers and schools for no compelling reason whatsoever. The school board should just teach everyone in the county a lesson that they don’t give a flying F about consistency in schools or the overall quality of FCPS.

Do you ever stop to think before you post?

Your hysterics aren’t based in reality. They already have a grandfathering policy and have a plan to phase kids into the new school. No one will be ripped away from their current school. Just admit you are pissed that you might have to send a younger kid to a school you deem less worthy some day, or that you might not get to live out your sports dreams through your children. Your kid attending a different high school than your older neighbor’s kids is not a hardship.

Ladies and gentlemen, this I’d how the school board and FCPS feels about your child.

Community concerns are disregarded when they seek to enact their agenda.

Um I’m just a parent like you. Is your family concerned about your paranoid delusions?

Yes, my delusions and those of thousands of families across the county who see this unnecessary boundary study for what it is.

But keep on pretending that you’ve got a silent majority who are just begging to upset their kids’ lives just because.

DP. This thread is about the new Western high school which was purchased to solve overcrowding in schools. And, apparently the Superintendent is somehow disconnecting it from the comprehensive boundary study. Puzzling, but that appears to be a fact.

You do understand that there are schools that are overcrowded and that there are students who are on school buses for much too long? You think that is okay?

No kids should be moved against their will unnecessarily, unless the family wants them moved. Full stop.

Good luck with that argument.

To the "full stop" lady, redistricting happens all the time. Franklin farm will and should be redistricted. The former at&t site will be redeveloped into a mix of residential and retail units. Those kids that will be living there will be zoned for Oakton because it's right down the road. Oakton needs space for these kids. Your kids are 9+ miles away. Get over it. You can't just keep making websites and online petitions to bully and get your way.

Langley parents have kept kids even further away at Langley for years, so why shouldn’t Oakton take a page from their playbook? They can’t credibly say 9 miles away from Oakton is too far if 10-12 miles from Langley is fine.

I have come to the conclusion that this particular FF mom wishes that her husband had been okay with the commute from that part of Herndon to wherever his job is so they could have been zoned to Oakton. She's devastated about it, really.

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Anonymous wrote:I predict FCPS would choose Option B or something close to it, where the vast majority of Crossfield kids won't get moved.

Read Sample Letter #1.

At a minimum, we request that the same number of boundary scenario maps be released for the Western High School as have been provided for other boundary studies. Without this, it is impossible for families to provide informed feedback.

The pro-Oakton families asked for multiple scenarios, and FCPS gave them four options.

Also from Letter 1:

Finally, I respectfully request that FCPS pause and slow down the Western High School boundary revision process until comprehensive, transparent, and equitable information is shared.

The pro-Oakton families requested that FCPS pause and slow down the Western High School boundary revision process, and FCPS responded by delaying the decision until June.

Now the pro-Oakton families are pivoting to Option B since the magnet school is off the table. Read Sample Letter #4.

I urge the School Board to select Boundary Option B and to demonstrate its commitment to stability, continuity, and student-centered decision-making.

I think they are going to get what they want.

The only question is Mr. McDaniel, as he was the only one openly asking for relief to Oakton and a solution for the long ride from Crossfield to Oakton.

But for other board members, it would be an easy choice. The Western HS won't be like Justice HS, where nobody wanted to be reassigned to. Other elementary school parents, including Floris, McNair, Coates, Oak Hill, and Fox Mill parents, would actively want or not mind moving to the Western HS.

You're under-estimating the number of Chantilly families who'd prefer to stay at Chantilly rather than move to a new school.

Overestimating the degree to which other groups want to attend the new school is a core part of the rooted in Oakton strategy. Note they are also happy to say that the Oak Hill ES community would just be fine with getting moved to Carson and out of Franklin, so they can slide in there.

The School Board set the parameters for the boundary study. They should use those to set the boundaries for the new school. This is not that hard.

I would say that most people want to stay where they are. That is not how you do this.

Well here are what FCPS states as their priorities for the boundary review:

1. Ensure equitable access to programs and facilities.
2. Balance available capacity to make the best use of our school facilities.
3. Establish consistent “attendance zones” by removing isolated attendance areas and reducing split feeder patterns. This would increase the likelihood that students from the same neighborhood would be assigned to the same schools which are also the closest option.
4. Minimize travel time for students.

I agree they ought to be using objective criteria and not let emotional arguments sway the decision making. The problem is they opened that can of worms with the way they’ve been conducting meetings. They are afraid of making people upset. So here we are in a situation where everyone thinks if they just complain enough they can influence the school board to do what they want. Some people didn’t learn the important lessons when they were kids that the world doesn’t revolve around them and that life isn’t always fair. Some people will be more affected by boundary changes as a result of where they live. It’s not personal.

Yeah, the school board should just F all of their constituents raw dog. They should rip kids away from their friends, teachers and schools for no compelling reason whatsoever. The school board should just teach everyone in the county a lesson that they don’t give a flying F about consistency in schools or the overall quality of FCPS.

Do you ever stop to think before you post?

Your hysterics aren’t based in reality. They already have a grandfathering policy and have a plan to phase kids into the new school. No one will be ripped away from their current school. Just admit you are pissed that you might have to send a younger kid to a school you deem less worthy some day, or that you might not get to live out your sports dreams through your children. Your kid attending a different high school than your older neighbor’s kids is not a hardship.

Ladies and gentlemen, this I’d how the school board and FCPS feels about your child.

Community concerns are disregarded when they seek to enact their agenda.

Um I’m just a parent like you. Is your family concerned about your paranoid delusions?

Yes, my delusions and those of thousands of families across the county who see this unnecessary boundary study for what it is.

But keep on pretending that you’ve got a silent majority who are just begging to upset their kids’ lives just because.

DP. This thread is about the new Western high school which was purchased to solve overcrowding in schools. And, apparently the Superintendent is somehow disconnecting it from the comprehensive boundary study. Puzzling, but that appears to be a fact.

You do understand that there are schools that are overcrowded and that there are students who are on school buses for much too long? You think that is okay?

No kids should be moved against their will unnecessarily, unless the family wants them moved. Full stop.

Good luck with that argument.

To the "full stop" lady, redistricting happens all the time. Franklin farm will and should be redistricted. The former at&t site will be redeveloped into a mix of residential and retail units. Those kids that will be living there will be zoned for Oakton because it's right down the road. Oakton needs space for these kids. Your kids are 9+ miles away. Get over it. You can't just keep making websites and online petitions to bully and get your way.

Langley parents have kept kids even further away at Langley for years, so why shouldn’t Oakton take a page from their playbook? They can’t credibly say 9 miles away from Oakton is too far if 10-12 miles from Langley is fine.

I have come to the conclusion that this particular FF mom wishes that her husband had been okay with the commute from that part of Herndon to wherever his job is so they could have been zoned to Oakton. She's devastated about it, really.

I mean Langley, of course. She wishes she could have sent her girls to Langley.

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Anonymous wrote:It's always seemed the western part of the county divides among those who like big schools that are academic (Carson, with its AAP kids from so many pyramids) or athletic (Westfield and Oakton) powerhouses due to their large enrollments.

This model is changing between the plan to make every middle school an AAP center and the new western HS, which will reduce the enrollments at Centreville, Westfield, Chantilly, Oakton, and perhaps South Lakes.

The western schools won't be able to puff their chests as much about the number of Carson kids going to TJ or the number of state championships, but the average kid may have more opportunities.

A lot of families at these giant school factories like Westfield would prefer smaller schools where their kids could actually have a shot at making any sports team or being a leader or even having a principal who knows their name, but kids go to their zoned school. Its not like you can just select a different school to attend.

Totally agree with this. Not to mention, it has a pool so if your kid is a swimmer, this a huge plus, definitely beats having to drive them to the rec center.

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Anonymous wrote:It's always seemed the western part of the county divides among those who like big schools that are academic (Carson, with its AAP kids from so many pyramids) or athletic (Westfield and Oakton) powerhouses due to their large enrollments.

This model is changing between the plan to make every middle school an AAP center and the new western HS, which will reduce the enrollments at Centreville, Westfield, Chantilly, Oakton, and perhaps South Lakes.

The western schools won't be able to puff their chests as much about the number of Carson kids going to TJ or the number of state championships, but the average kid may have more opportunities.

A lot of families at these giant school factories like Westfield would prefer smaller schools where their kids could actually have a shot at making any sports team or being a leader or even having a principal who knows their name, but kids go to their zoned school. Its not like you can just select a different school to attend.

Totally agree with this. Not to mention, it has a pool so if your kid is a swimmer, this a huge plus, definitely beats having to drive them to the rec center.

Yep. I think I like the idea of a smaller school even more than a closer school. The high schools around here are too big. I went to a high school with about 1600 kids and that felt plenty big. There were a lot of opportunities, and everyone could get involved somewhere. And you didn’t have to be a top athlete to make the sports teams. The school was pretty successful at sports. The best people on the teams were still really good, but kids who weren’t quite as good still got to be a part of things. I find it sad to hear some kids around here work on a sport for years and still can’t even get on the JV team. And then they’re picking a random sport they might not even like all that much just so they can be on a team.

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Anonymous wrote:It's always seemed the western part of the county divides among those who like big schools that are academic (Carson, with its AAP kids from so many pyramids) or athletic (Westfield and Oakton) powerhouses due to their large enrollments.

This model is changing between the plan to make every middle school an AAP center and the new western HS, which will reduce the enrollments at Centreville, Westfield, Chantilly, Oakton, and perhaps South Lakes.

The western schools won't be able to puff their chests as much about the number of Carson kids going to TJ or the number of state championships, but the average kid may have more opportunities.

A lot of families at these giant school factories like Westfield would prefer smaller schools where their kids could actually have a shot at making any sports team or being a leader or even having a principal who knows their name, but kids go to their zoned school. Its not like you can just select a different school to attend.

Totally agree with this. Not to mention, it has a pool so if your kid is a swimmer, this a huge plus, definitely beats having to drive them to the rec center.

There's no way that pool stays there. The only fcps with a pool is TJ, a magnet school. Being the smallest school they'll get rid of it to make room for more students and to limit liability

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Get rid of the pool, turn it into two floors with classrooms, and bam you have the renovation needed for the capacity to hit 2,000 students. Seems like it's worth them exploring, as opposed to converting multiple other spaces for the same/similar capacity. Not a sermon, just a thought.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's always seemed the western part of the county divides among those who like big schools that are academic (Carson, with its AAP kids from so many pyramids) or athletic (Westfield and Oakton) powerhouses due to their large enrollments.

This model is changing between the plan to make every middle school an AAP center and the new western HS, which will reduce the enrollments at Centreville, Westfield, Chantilly, Oakton, and perhaps South Lakes.

The western schools won't be able to puff their chests as much about the number of Carson kids going to TJ or the number of state championships, but the average kid may have more opportunities.

A lot of families at these giant school factories like Westfield would prefer smaller schools where their kids could actually have a shot at making any sports team or being a leader or even having a principal who knows their name, but kids go to their zoned school. Its not like you can just select a different school to attend.

Totally agree with this. Not to mention, it has a pool so if your kid is a swimmer, this a huge plus, definitely beats having to drive them to the rec center.

There's no way that pool stays there. The only fcps with a pool is TJ, a magnet school. Being the smallest school they'll get rid of it to make room for more students and to limit liability

TJ had a pool? What was the HS before it was TJ that it had a pool? Didn’t think any FCPS schools had pools at any time?

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Anonymous wrote:It's always seemed the western part of the county divides among those who like big schools that are academic (Carson, with its AAP kids from so many pyramids) or athletic (Westfield and Oakton) powerhouses due to their large enrollments.

This model is changing between the plan to make every middle school an AAP center and the new western HS, which will reduce the enrollments at Centreville, Westfield, Chantilly, Oakton, and perhaps South Lakes.

The western schools won't be able to puff their chests as much about the number of Carson kids going to TJ or the number of state championships, but the average kid may have more opportunities.

A lot of families at these giant school factories like Westfield would prefer smaller schools where their kids could actually have a shot at making any sports team or being a leader or even having a principal who knows their name, but kids go to their zoned school. Its not like you can just select a different school to attend.

Totally agree with this. Not to mention, it has a pool so if your kid is a swimmer, this a huge plus, definitely beats having to drive them to the rec center.

There's no way that pool stays there. The only fcps with a pool is TJ, a magnet school. Being the smallest school they'll get rid of it to make room for more students and to limit liability

That would be really stupid to get rid of it. There aren’t enough indoor pools around here as it is. It could be rented out on the weekends just like fields and gyms are. Where does Southlake swim team currently practice? Maybe they could move there. Reid mentioned at a meeting that they are hoping to use it for water safety classes for kids in the county. Who cares if it’s the only high school with a pool? That’s not uncommon. Nearby groups and teams rent out the space when school is not in session. It’s a shame that pool wasn’t being rented out this whole time. KAA used to rent out their gyms for community use.

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I hope they keep the pool! It will be a big draw for students to opt in and is a good asset to have instead of transporting kids to limited rec center pools.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they keep the pool! It will be a big draw for students to opt in and is a good asset to have instead of transporting kids to limited rec center pools.

These are all guesses:
I assume Westfield uses the Cub Run pool.
Chantilly used to go to Oak Marr--not sure if they go there or Cub Run now.
I guess Herndon uses the Herndon Community center.
I think South Lakes may use Reston CC?

In any case, I would think it would be helpful for all FCPS schools for swim meets, etc. And, as someone else mentioned could be a source of funding for the school system. It might need to be turned over to Parks and Recreation in some way.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they keep the pool! It will be a big draw for students to opt in and is a good asset to have instead of transporting kids to limited rec center pools.

These are all guesses:
I assume Westfield uses the Cub Run pool.
Chantilly used to go to Oak Marr--not sure if they go there or Cub Run now.
I guess Herndon uses the Herndon Community center.
I think South Lakes may use Reston CC?

In any case, I would think it would be helpful for all FCPS schools for swim meets, etc. And, as someone else mentioned could be a source of funding for the school system. It might need to be turned over to Parks and Recreation in some way.

Part of why some swim teams practice so early in the morning is limited lane space. Having another pool for community use could save some kids from having to wake up and swim at an ungodly hour, or at least have a shorter ride to those early practices. A few more minutes of sleep every day adds up.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they keep the pool! It will be a big draw for students to opt in and is a good asset to have instead of transporting kids to limited rec center pools.

These are all guesses:
I assume Westfield uses the Cub Run pool.
Chantilly used to go to Oak Marr--not sure if they go there or Cub Run now.
I guess Herndon uses the Herndon Community center.
I think South Lakes may use Reston CC?

In any case, I would think it would be helpful for all FCPS schools for swim meets, etc. And, as someone else mentioned could be a source of funding for the school system. It might need to be turned over to Parks and Recreation in some way.

Chantilly uses Cub run. I think Centreville too.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they keep the pool! It will be a big draw for students to opt in and is a good asset to have instead of transporting kids to limited rec center pools.

These are all guesses:
I assume Westfield uses the Cub Run pool.
Chantilly used to go to Oak Marr--not sure if they go there or Cub Run now.
I guess Herndon uses the Herndon Community center.
I think South Lakes may use Reston CC?

In any case, I would think it would be helpful for all FCPS schools for swim meets, etc. And, as someone else mentioned could be a source of funding for the school system. It might need to be turned over to Parks and Recreation in some way.

20171 Herndon cannot use the Herndon community center also Oak Marr is much closer for most.

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Anonymous wrote:It's always seemed the western part of the county divides among those who like big schools that are academic (Carson, with its AAP kids from so many pyramids) or athletic (Westfield and Oakton) powerhouses due to their large enrollments.

This model is changing between the plan to make every middle school an AAP center and the new western HS, which will reduce the enrollments at Centreville, Westfield, Chantilly, Oakton, and perhaps South Lakes.

The western schools won't be able to puff their chests as much about the number of Carson kids going to TJ or the number of state championships, but the average kid may have more opportunities.

A lot of families at these giant school factories like Westfield would prefer smaller schools where their kids could actually have a shot at making any sports team or being a leader or even having a principal who knows their name, but kids go to their zoned school. Its not like you can just select a different school to attend.

Totally agree with this. Not to mention, it has a pool so if your kid is a swimmer, this a huge plus, definitely beats having to drive them to the rec center.

There's no way that pool stays there. The only fcps with a pool is TJ, a magnet school. Being the smallest school they'll get rid of it to make room for more students and to limit liability

TJ had a pool? What was the HS before it was TJ that it had a pool? Didn’t think any FCPS schools had pools at any time?

TJ doesn’t have a pool.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they keep the pool! It will be a big draw for students to opt in and is a good asset to have instead of transporting kids to limited rec center pools.

Reid said she would keep the pool during today's session.