Lively/Baldoni Lawsuit Part 2

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Anonymous wrote:I think Lively is pretty unlikeable but some of the stuff coming out now makes Baldoni and Sarowitz both also seem unlikeable. I think it's perfectly fair to talk about what these guys are saying and doing and how it would play in front of a jury, just as we would discuss the same with Blake.

I think if you read some of these Sarowitz quotes, in particular, and think it's fine or won't turn people off, you have lost any objectivity on this case. It's clearly really awful, and the fact that this is how he's talking in a deposition for a lawsuit sort of alarms me. Most people will be on their best behavior in that setting, and the most careful with their words. The Hamas comment was also bad, but he was unknowingly recorded and it was a casual conversation. This was something he said in a conference room with lawyers and a court stenographer present! And it comes off as threatening, entitled, and misogynistic (IMO). That's a big red flag.

Nah, Justin comes off as the victim. People will sympathize with him. Not so much with Blake.

Why will people sympathize with him? He comes off as tone deaf and cowardly to me. Sarowitz comes off as a big bully which helps Blake, Ryan comes off as a big bully which helps Baldoni. I tend to think people will be less likely to hold Reynolds' behavior against him because (1) positive associations with his movies -- you cannot underestimate this, it helped Depp in his trial, and (2) people tend to give more leeway to a man who is seen to be acting to protect his wife or kids. It's a misogynistic attitude but it's very widespread, I've seen some nasty behavior justified this way before.

I think people are way underestimating how bad these Sarowitz comments are. If the Hamas quote or the email where Sarowitz threatens to come to set to remind Blake who is playing, or this quote from the depo, wind up in court, I think it helps Blake. Because even if you don't like her, all this taken together sound like threats by an employer towards a former employee. If they can convince the jury that these threats were in "retaliation" for her complaints... it's not really a stretch.

I would not have anticipated that Sarowitz would be the big bad in this one but that's how it's shaping up now.

The testimony will likely end up in front of a jury. Video deposition testimony is frequently used in civil cases. If it’s being highlighted now, it will very likely be used later.

Not if the witness appears at trial.unless for impeachment purposes. It’s not really a concern.

Unfortunately I think it will be used. Blake is claiming this video looked like porn to her, so it's part of the SH claim both because it was inappropriate to show it and for how they reacted to her not wanting to watch it. It would be relevant for the jury to see what it actually was.

I was talking about out the deposition testimony of Sarowitz. She is going tp look stupid insisting she was shown a birthing video other clip other what he has on his phone. I’m not sure her lawyers will let her go this route. It really only would make sense if Liman granted the sanction of him losing the ability to testify n the issue. Significant risk it further damages her credibility with the Jury.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Lively is pretty unlikeable but some of the stuff coming out now makes Baldoni and Sarowitz both also seem unlikeable. I think it's perfectly fair to talk about what these guys are saying and doing and how it would play in front of a jury, just as we would discuss the same with Blake.

I think if you read some of these Sarowitz quotes, in particular, and think it's fine or won't turn people off, you have lost any objectivity on this case. It's clearly really awful, and the fact that this is how he's talking in a deposition for a lawsuit sort of alarms me. Most people will be on their best behavior in that setting, and the most careful with their words. The Hamas comment was also bad, but he was unknowingly recorded and it was a casual conversation. This was something he said in a conference room with lawyers and a court stenographer present! And it comes off as threatening, entitled, and misogynistic (IMO). That's a big red flag.

Nah, Justin comes off as the victim. People will sympathize with him. Not so much with Blake.

Why will people sympathize with him? He comes off as tone deaf and cowardly to me. Sarowitz comes off as a big bully which helps Blake, Ryan comes off as a big bully which helps Baldoni. I tend to think people will be less likely to hold Reynolds' behavior against him because (1) positive associations with his movies -- you cannot underestimate this, it helped Depp in his trial, and (2) people tend to give more leeway to a man who is seen to be acting to protect his wife or kids. It's a misogynistic attitude but it's very widespread, I've seen some nasty behavior justified this way before.

I think people are way underestimating how bad these Sarowitz comments are. If the Hamas quote or the email where Sarowitz threatens to come to set to remind Blake who is playing, or this quote from the depo, wind up in court, I think it helps Blake. Because even if you don't like her, all this taken together sound like threats by an employer towards a former employee. If they can convince the jury that these threats were in "retaliation" for her complaints... it's not really a stretch.

I would not have anticipated that Sarowitz would be the big bad in this one but that's how it's shaping up now.

The testimony will likely end up in front of a jury. Video deposition testimony is frequently used in civil cases. If it’s being highlighted now, it will very likely be used later.

Not if the witness appears at trial.unless for impeachment purposes. It’s not really a concern.

Unfortunately I think it will be used. Blake is claiming this video looked like porn to her, so it's part of the SH claim both because it was inappropriate to show it and for how they reacted to her not wanting to watch it. It would be relevant for the jury to see what it actually was.

I was talking about out the deposition testimony of Sarowitz. She is going tp look stupid insisting she was shown a birthing video other clip other what he has on his phone. I’m not sure her lawyers will let her go this route. It really only would make sense if Liman granted the sanction of him losing the ability to testify n the issue. Significant risk it further damages her credibility with the Jury.

By he, I mean Jamey Heath?

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Lively wanted 3 extra weeks until the MSJ stuff was unsealed, so Liman gives her another month. Thanks Judge Liman!

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Anonymous wrote:Lively wanted 3 extra weeks until the MSJ stuff was unsealed, so Liman gives her another month. Thanks Judge Liman!

Apparently there is a bunch of her texts, among other things. She can't hide them forever.

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The birth video thing is really weird because it’s my understanding it was a water birth. Did they have an under water camera just aimed at her V for several minutes before the baby crowned?

This whole her legs were splayed open like a p$$n video makes no sense whatsoever in that context.

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Anonymous wrote:The birth video thing is really weird because it’s my understanding it was a water birth. Did they have an under water camera just aimed at her V for several minutes before the baby crowned?

This whole her legs were splayed open like a p$$n video makes no sense whatsoever in that context.

Well, I guess we'll find out soon enough!

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Blake genuinely sounds like a dumb child in that boots video lol. I cannot believe she's 40.

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BL having a video of another woman giving birth shown at her request to a jury will bury her in the eyes of the jury, No one on a jury wants that shared by anyone but the person giving birth.

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Anonymous wrote:The birth video thing is really weird because it’s my understanding it was a water birth. Did they have an under water camera just aimed at her V for several minutes before the baby crowned?

This whole her legs were splayed open like a p$$n video makes no sense whatsoever in that context.

Well, I guess we'll find out soon enough!

Will we though? Judge was very clear that video was to be treated as highly confidential.

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Anonymous wrote:BL having a video of another woman giving birth shown at her request to a jury will bury her in the eyes of the jury, No one on a jury wants that shared by anyone but the person giving birth.

If this happens, agree. Plus Heath’s testimony will create a credibility issue for her.

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Anonymous wrote:The birth video thing is really weird because it’s my understanding it was a water birth. Did they have an under water camera just aimed at her V for several minutes before the baby crowned?

This whole her legs were splayed open like a p$$n video makes no sense whatsoever in that context.

Well, I guess we'll find out soon enough!

Will we though? Judge was very clear that video was to be treated as highly confidential.

Not video, but the issue is being made of whether Blake was shown spread legs so I do imagine we will eventually have testimony on that.

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Anonymous wrote:The birth video thing is really weird because it’s my understanding it was a water birth. Did they have an under water camera just aimed at her V for several minutes before the baby crowned?

This whole her legs were splayed open like a p$$n video makes no sense whatsoever in that context.

Well, I guess we'll find out soon enough!

Will we though? Judge was very clear that video was to be treated as highly confidential.

Not video, but the issue is being made of whether Blake was shown spread legs so I do imagine we will eventually have testimony on that.

The rest of us were talking about the Heath hime birth video.

[Anonymous]

A good way to ensure your wife's home birth video doesn't wind up in discovery in a federal court case is to not bring it into work on you phone and attempt to show it to a colleague to win an argument about whether or not women should be completely naked during child birth.

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Anonymous wrote:A good way to ensure your wife's home birth video doesn't wind up in discovery in a federal court case is to not bring it into work on you phone and attempt to show it to a colleague to win an argument about whether or not women should be completely naked during child birth.

I agree it's weird and he made it an issue, but I don't really agree that if he showed a video along the lines of the screenshot in Wayfarer's complaint, which is not explicit and looks like something we could see in a commercial, that means they need to provide the full unedited and explicit video of the entire birth. Mrs. Heath could consent to him showing only those parts that she felt comfortable with, just like Lively had said she was ok sometimes with letting people sit in while she was pumping but could also withdraw her consent.

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Anonymous wrote:A good way to ensure your wife's home birth video doesn't wind up in discovery in a federal court case is to not bring it into work on you phone and attempt to show it to a colleague to win an argument about whether or not women should be completely naked during child birth.

I agree it's weird and he made it an issue, but I don't really agree that if he showed a video along the lines of the screenshot in Wayfarer's complaint, which is not explicit and looks like something we could see in a commercial, that means they need to provide the full unedited and explicit video of the entire birth. Mrs. Heath could consent to him showing only those parts that she felt comfortable with, just like Lively had said she was ok sometimes with letting people sit in while she was pumping but could also withdraw her consent.

Then they should offer a settlement because some things are more important than money.