Why are people more sympathetic to Lindsay Clancy than Andrea Yates? (Child death mentioned)

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Anonymous wrote:Even if it was pre-meditated, couldn't her lawyers argue that the medications she was on contributed to irrational thinking? It's similar to when someone plans to kill themselves. They plan out the act and carry it out--it doesn't mean this was intentional. They were experiencing a psychotic episode that resulted in irrational thinking that led to suicide. This is a heartbreaking case. I do not think this woman intended to kill her children. If you took away the PPD and medications she was on, she would not have planned this murder.

So now anyone on a few psych drugs isn’t responsible for their actions? Do you hear yourself?

No, but we're talking about someone who had PPD. The woman was suffering from a disease. It robbed her of her decisionmaking. And she wasn't on a few drugs--she was on 13.

Stop making up stuff idiot. I swear, all you psycho defenders are this close to harming your own kids, and it’s not ok.

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Anonymous wrote:There was the Ortega / Krim case with the nanny murdering the children. She used being mentally ill as a defense but was unsuccessful and sentenced to life in prison.

This story has gotten a lot of press but a quick google search led to me finding lots of other stories just from the past year of mothers murdering their children - variety of circumstances but with quite a few being mental health related. I was surprised that one phrase being searched brought up about 10 recent cases. You would think this one is in the news because it is so rare but it isn't that rare. Most of them had made national news. According to FBI stats there are ~ 500 deaths a year in the USA of children killed by their parents. 72% of the deaths are children under 6. Of the 500, 57% are killed by fathers and 43% killed by their mothers.

With Ortega, the prosecution had a really good narrative about why she killed those two kids. That case gutted me. There’s not a convincing motive in this case - yet.

I personally believe that even more infants are killed by their parents than reported because the deaths are attributed to SIDS when in reality the parent either intended to kill the baby or engaged in unsafe sleeping habits.

A lot of the children murdered by their parents suffered long term abuse prior to the murder and the parent just went too far. If the autopsies here show unhealed injuries consistent with child abuse, Lindsay Clancy is done. But I suspect these kids were not abused.

You're basing this on one FB post unearthed from Reddit?

I think that is a big part of why this case has gotten so much national attention vs. other filicide cases. Sadly there are kids killed by their parents way too often. But generally there are warning signs so to speak. Drug addiction, history of domestic violence, custody disputes, parents are unmarried or there is a step parent/boyfriend involved, an affair comes to light, or there were hidden financial problems, etc.

Obviously we don’t know all the facts yet, it is entirely possible more will come to light. But by all accounts so far, these children were not in a high risk demographic to be murdered by their mother. It is highly unusual to go from never so much as hitting your child to horrifically strangling your children (a very aggressive/personal way to kill). She didn’t even just drive a car off the cliff in a moment of anger. She killed them one by one, over minutes each.

Every case of child abuse/murder breaks my heart. But this one is hard to even conceptualize because there seem to be no aggravating factors to lead up to this.

I think there were aggravating factors leading up to it but she kept a lot of her rage and thoughts in her head because that’s what a umc woman does. On Reddit, people found a bunch of her old FB posts. There’s one where she describes her middle son as “the most difficult person she ever met.” And the rest of the post was restrained seething. It was polite but it was obvious she was miserable and resented this poor child.

I don’t understand why such people have kids. She had a career and her own life. There’s no excuse for having kids only to cruelly snuff them out later.

Oh I definitely agree there were internal aggravating factors. I’ve also seen some of her online posts and she strikes me as someone uptight/anxious/rigid with feelings of rage when things don’t go according to her plans. I definitely think motherhood was not what she envisioned once her children were no longer babies, but that she tried hard to cling on to the image she wanted to project of herself as a mother.

But by “aggravating factors” I had more so meant external ones. I would wager a guess this case is a statistical anomaly in that there were no apparent stressors to add to whatever internally caused her to do this. As far as we know, she has never been abused nor abused her children. She is not housing or food insecure. The children were planned within a two parent marriage (e.g. no non-family adults in the house, custody battles, etc.). She does not appear to be a part of any religious extremist organization/cult. She does not appear to have addiction issues (although who knows what will come out about her prescriptions). We don’t know of any affairs. She is educated and able to hold down a professional job where she maintained good relationships with colleagues. It’s still early and more could come out, but on paper, she absolutely does not check any boxes one would expect from someone who murders their own child. In fact, I wonder how common it is for children murdered by a parent to have never been harmed on a prior occasion. This was like zero to 100 with very few warning signs.

I doubt this was the first/only time these kids were harmed. I don’t know what went on in their family and neither do you but I highly doubt she never lashed out at and hurt her kids before brutally, viciously murdering them. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if she had abused them before. She had been undergoing treatment for anxiety/stress/depression/psychosis (we don’t know exactly what) for at least 8 months and from her FB posts about her middle child she was clearly feeling that stress going back years. I bet she has “snapped” before. Sadly, it’s really not hard to imagine that these kids had a history of being abused (at least emotionally and verbally and psychologically if not also physically) by their mother.

I think believing otherwise (that she never harmed them and then one day just snapped and murdered them in a horrific way) is just another example of people on this thread painting Lindsay Clancy as this wonderful mother who one day snapped. I don’t think that’s likely the case.

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Anonymous wrote:There was the Ortega / Krim case with the nanny murdering the children. She used being mentally ill as a defense but was unsuccessful and sentenced to life in prison.

This story has gotten a lot of press but a quick google search led to me finding lots of other stories just from the past year of mothers murdering their children - variety of circumstances but with quite a few being mental health related. I was surprised that one phrase being searched brought up about 10 recent cases. You would think this one is in the news because it is so rare but it isn't that rare. Most of them had made national news. According to FBI stats there are ~ 500 deaths a year in the USA of children killed by their parents. 72% of the deaths are children under 6. Of the 500, 57% are killed by fathers and 43% killed by their mothers.

With Ortega, the prosecution had a really good narrative about why she killed those two kids. That case gutted me. There’s not a convincing motive in this case - yet.

I personally believe that even more infants are killed by their parents than reported because the deaths are attributed to SIDS when in reality the parent either intended to kill the baby or engaged in unsafe sleeping habits.

A lot of the children murdered by their parents suffered long term abuse prior to the murder and the parent just went too far. If the autopsies here show unhealed injuries consistent with child abuse, Lindsay Clancy is done. But I suspect these kids were not abused.

You're basing this on one FB post unearthed from Reddit?

I think that is a big part of why this case has gotten so much national attention vs. other filicide cases. Sadly there are kids killed by their parents way too often. But generally there are warning signs so to speak. Drug addiction, history of domestic violence, custody disputes, parents are unmarried or there is a step parent/boyfriend involved, an affair comes to light, or there were hidden financial problems, etc.

Obviously we don’t know all the facts yet, it is entirely possible more will come to light. But by all accounts so far, these children were not in a high risk demographic to be murdered by their mother. It is highly unusual to go from never so much as hitting your child to horrifically strangling your children (a very aggressive/personal way to kill). She didn’t even just drive a car off the cliff in a moment of anger. She killed them one by one, over minutes each.

Every case of child abuse/murder breaks my heart. But this one is hard to even conceptualize because there seem to be no aggravating factors to lead up to this.

I think there were aggravating factors leading up to it but she kept a lot of her rage and thoughts in her head because that’s what a umc woman does. On Reddit, people found a bunch of her old FB posts. There’s one where she describes her middle son as “the most difficult person she ever met.” And the rest of the post was restrained seething. It was polite but it was obvious she was miserable and resented this poor child.

I don’t understand why such people have kids. She had a career and her own life. There’s no excuse for having kids only to cruelly snuff them out later.

Oh I definitely agree there were internal aggravating factors. I’ve also seen some of her online posts and she strikes me as someone uptight/anxious/rigid with feelings of rage when things don’t go according to her plans. I definitely think motherhood was not what she envisioned once her children were no longer babies, but that she tried hard to cling on to the image she wanted to project of herself as a mother.

But by “aggravating factors” I had more so meant external ones. I would wager a guess this case is a statistical anomaly in that there were no apparent stressors to add to whatever internally caused her to do this. As far as we know, she has never been abused nor abused her children. She is not housing or food insecure. The children were planned within a two parent marriage (e.g. no non-family adults in the house, custody battles, etc.). She does not appear to be a part of any religious extremist organization/cult. She does not appear to have addiction issues (although who knows what will come out about her prescriptions). We don’t know of any affairs. She is educated and able to hold down a professional job where she maintained good relationships with colleagues. It’s still early and more could come out, but on paper, she absolutely does not check any boxes one would expect from someone who murders their own child. In fact, I wonder how common it is for children murdered by a parent to have never been harmed on a prior occasion. This was like zero to 100 with very few warning signs.

I doubt this was the first/only time these kids were harmed. I don’t know what went on in their family and neither do you but I highly doubt she never lashed out at and hurt her kids before brutally, viciously murdering them. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if she had abused them before. She had been undergoing treatment for anxiety/stress/depression/psychosis (we don’t know exactly what) for at least 8 months and from her FB posts about her middle child she was clearly feeling that stress going back years. I bet she has “snapped” before. Sadly, it’s really not hard to imagine that these kids had a history of being abused (at least emotionally and verbally and psychologically if not also physically) by their mother.

I think believing otherwise (that she never harmed them and then one day just snapped and murdered them in a horrific way) is just another example of people on this thread painting Lindsay Clancy as this wonderful mother who one day snapped. I don’t think that’s likely the case.

You're basing this on one FB post unearthed from Reddit?

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Anonymous wrote:Add the naperville nurse to the list. She murdered her 3 kids and attempted suicide, but lived. Her husband was a doctor and seeing another woman, nurse. She's in prison. She didn't get special treatment. And they were more upper class than the clancy's. She got no white privilege that clancy is pinning for.

She had been battling depression for 4 years. She had a prescription for Ativan. She want to jail and is still there. White, nurse, upper middle class.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/naperville-sun/ct-nvs-marilyn-lemak-murders-anniversary-st-0303-story.html

She wasn't postpartum when she did it, which means there was only typical background risk of her having been psychotic when she did it. The point being made here is that that is not the case for Lindsay Clancy. She has a history of symptoms, hospitalizations and medication that mean that she was at significantly higher than background risk of having been psychotic. We'll see what comes out in the trial.

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Anonymous wrote:Add the naperville nurse to the list. She murdered her 3 kids and attempted suicide, but lived. Her husband was a doctor and seeing another woman, nurse. She's in prison. She didn't get special treatment. And they were more upper class than the clancy's. She got no white privilege that clancy is pinning for.

She had been battling depression for 4 years. She had a prescription for Ativan. She want to jail and is still there. White, nurse, upper middle class.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/naperville-sun/ct-nvs-marilyn-lemak-murders-anniversary-st-0303-story.html

She wasn't postpartum when she did it, which means there was only typical background risk of her having been psychotic when she did it. The point being made here is that that is not the case for Lindsay Clancy. She has a history of symptoms, hospitalizations and medication that mean that she was at significantly higher than background risk of having been psychotic. We'll see what comes out in the trial.

Being postpartum doesn't give LC a free pass to murder her children. LC should be treated the same way the woman in Naperville was.

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Anonymous wrote:Add the naperville nurse to the list. She murdered her 3 kids and attempted suicide, but lived. Her husband was a doctor and seeing another woman, nurse. She's in prison. She didn't get special treatment. And they were more upper class than the clancy's. She got no white privilege that clancy is pinning for.

She had been battling depression for 4 years. She had a prescription for Ativan. She want to jail and is still there. White, nurse, upper middle class.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/naperville-sun/ct-nvs-marilyn-lemak-murders-anniversary-st-0303-story.html

She wasn't postpartum when she did it, which means there was only typical background risk of her having been psychotic when she did it. The point being made here is that that is not the case for Lindsay Clancy. She has a history of symptoms, hospitalizations and medication that mean that she was at significantly higher than background risk of having been psychotic. We'll see what comes out in the trial.

Being postpartum doesn't give LC a free pass to murder her children. LC should be treated the same way the woman in Naperville was.

She likely will be, either in jail or a psychiatric facility.

Social media is so toxic. Potential for a conversation about mental health is lost when people divide into camps.

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These posts speculating about whether she abused her kids beforehand seem to be in poor taste. Nothing has come out yet. She suffered from mental illness and was on a cocktail of very potent medications, as well as treatment 5 days a week. She knew there was a problem. Many postpartum type issues manifest themselves as intrusive thoughts, as do many side effects of the medications she was on.

Nothing gives anyone a free pass for murder or abuse of children. But it also seems distasteful to speculate what someone with mental illness might have done before they were ill and presumably a typical parent.

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Anonymous wrote:Rusty Yates is a pathetic human being. I had and still have great sympathy for Andrea.

This. Don’t know enough about Clancy but Andrea begged for help but her husband and their pastor disallowed her to get it for religious reasons. Her OBGYN said she should have no more kids after the birth of her third because increasingly bad PPD.

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Anonymous wrote:How sad to have a life, a pretty nice life it seems, and for it to vanish in a blink. I feel so terrible for the grandparents and extended family and friends too. How tragic the whole thing. So many lives destroyed.

I feel bad for her, too.

I feel bad for Cora, Dawson, and Callan.

We truly lack understanding of severe mental illness.

Weird response.
We hold others accountable when they do bad things and are mentally ill. Why would she be the exception?

I have been saying this from the beginning, was Jeffrey Dahmer mentally stable? Ted Bundy? What about most of the school shooters, were they all stable mentally? No, as a matter of fact many of them were also on psych meds, like Lindsay, but we crucified these young mentally ill kids. How about all the other potentially mentally ill mothers who killed their kids who are now serving life sentences in general pop prisons? What about them? We gotta stop with the #iamlindsay crap, no, no you are not. Like school shootings, we’re going to end up with copycat crimes thanks to the media coverage and the misplaced empathy. If we as a society have never related to, or empathized with murderers, even mentally ill ones, we aren’t going to start now. Hell no.

Jeffrey Dahmer was a serial killer who embalmed and disemboweled people and hid them in his freezer. He had a long history of asocial and frightening behavior. This woman was a highly esteemed labor nurse with no criminal record. Postpartum psychosis is real.

She murdered a baby. The fact that you’re holding her up as “but she’s not as bad as Dahmer!” would be laughable if it weren’t so disgusting.

I'm sorry, but PPD is not "disgusting." It's a devastating diagnosis and worlds away from Dahmer.

DP. Strangling a defenseless infant with an exercise band is disgusting. Full stop.

Of course it is. But if you have PPD and are in psychosis, you aren't aware of what you're doing is the point.

Neither are many men that go on shooting sprees or run crowds over. But people are more than willing to burn those people at the stake. Lindsey should be as well.

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Anonymous wrote:How sad to have a life, a pretty nice life it seems, and for it to vanish in a blink. I feel so terrible for the grandparents and extended family and friends too. How tragic the whole thing. So many lives destroyed.

I feel bad for her, too.

I feel bad for Cora, Dawson, and Callan.

We truly lack understanding of severe mental illness.

Weird response.
We hold others accountable when they do bad things and are mentally ill. Why would she be the exception?

I have been saying this from the beginning, was Jeffrey Dahmer mentally stable? Ted Bundy? What about most of the school shooters, were they all stable mentally? No, as a matter of fact many of them were also on psych meds, like Lindsay, but we crucified these young mentally ill kids. How about all the other potentially mentally ill mothers who killed their kids who are now serving life sentences in general pop prisons? What about them? We gotta stop with the #iamlindsay crap, no, no you are not. Like school shootings, we’re going to end up with copycat crimes thanks to the media coverage and the misplaced empathy. If we as a society have never related to, or empathized with murderers, even mentally ill ones, we aren’t going to start now. Hell no.

Jeffrey Dahmer was a serial killer who embalmed and disemboweled people and hid them in his freezer. He had a long history of asocial and frightening behavior. This woman was a highly esteemed labor nurse with no criminal record. Postpartum psychosis is real.

She murdered a baby. The fact that you’re holding her up as “but she’s not as bad as Dahmer!” would be laughable if it weren’t so disgusting.

I'm sorry, but PPD is not "disgusting." It's a devastating diagnosis and worlds away from Dahmer.

DP. Strangling a defenseless infant with an exercise band is disgusting. Full stop.

Of course it is. But if you have PPD and are in psychosis, you aren't aware of what you're doing is the point.

Neither are many men that go on shooting sprees or run crowds over. But people are more than willing to burn those people at the stake. Lindsey should be as well.

Part of the problem with mass shooters is access to weapons they can gun down dozens of people in seconds. Women with postpartum psychosis aren’t walking into an elementary school with an AR-15. both instances are indicative of a mental health crisis. Only one is indicative of access to weapons that should be illegal.

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Anonymous wrote:How sad to have a life, a pretty nice life it seems, and for it to vanish in a blink. I feel so terrible for the grandparents and extended family and friends too. How tragic the whole thing. So many lives destroyed.

I feel bad for her, too.

I feel bad for Cora, Dawson, and Callan.

We truly lack understanding of severe mental illness.

Weird response.
We hold others accountable when they do bad things and are mentally ill. Why would she be the exception?

I have been saying this from the beginning, was Jeffrey Dahmer mentally stable? Ted Bundy? What about most of the school shooters, were they all stable mentally? No, as a matter of fact many of them were also on psych meds, like Lindsay, but we crucified these young mentally ill kids. How about all the other potentially mentally ill mothers who killed their kids who are now serving life sentences in general pop prisons? What about them? We gotta stop with the #iamlindsay crap, no, no you are not. Like school shootings, we’re going to end up with copycat crimes thanks to the media coverage and the misplaced empathy. If we as a society have never related to, or empathized with murderers, even mentally ill ones, we aren’t going to start now. Hell no.

Jeffrey Dahmer was a serial killer who embalmed and disemboweled people and hid them in his freezer. He had a long history of asocial and frightening behavior. This woman was a highly esteemed labor nurse with no criminal record. Postpartum psychosis is real.

She murdered a baby. The fact that you’re holding her up as “but she’s not as bad as Dahmer!” would be laughable if it weren’t so disgusting.

I'm sorry, but PPD is not "disgusting." It's a devastating diagnosis and worlds away from Dahmer.

DP. Strangling a defenseless infant with an exercise band is disgusting. Full stop.

Of course it is. But if you have PPD and are in psychosis, you aren't aware of what you're doing is the point.

Neither are many men that go on shooting sprees or run crowds over. But people are more than willing to burn those people at the stake. Lindsey should be as well.

Part of the problem with mass shooters is access to weapons they can gun down dozens of people in seconds. Women with postpartum psychosis aren’t walking into an elementary school with an AR-15. both instances are indicative of a mental health crisis. Only one is indicative of access to weapons that should be illegal.

The same sympathy should be had for all with mental illness who commit murder.

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Anonymous wrote:These posts speculating about whether she abused her kids beforehand seem to be in poor taste. Nothing has come out yet. She suffered from mental illness and was on a cocktail of very potent medications, as well as treatment 5 days a week. She knew there was a problem. Many postpartum type issues manifest themselves as intrusive thoughts, as do many side effects of the medications she was on.

Nothing gives anyone a free pass for murder or abuse of children. But it also seems distasteful to speculate what someone with mental illness might have done before they were ill and presumably a typical parent.

The discussion of whether she abused her children in the past is pertinent to the discussion of her mental health. If this act was truly out of character with no precipitating history of abuse, it makes it seem more plausible that she had some sort of sudden mental break.

The Naperville nurse case posted above involved a woman who found out her husband had an affair. So there was an external factor at play that provided some sort of motive.

I think LC’s case is so confusing because there’s no real motive or pattern of behavior to explain it.

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Anonymous wrote:There was the Ortega / Krim case with the nanny murdering the children. She used being mentally ill as a defense but was unsuccessful and sentenced to life in prison.

This story has gotten a lot of press but a quick google search led to me finding lots of other stories just from the past year of mothers murdering their children - variety of circumstances but with quite a few being mental health related. I was surprised that one phrase being searched brought up about 10 recent cases. You would think this one is in the news because it is so rare but it isn't that rare. Most of them had made national news. According to FBI stats there are ~ 500 deaths a year in the USA of children killed by their parents. 72% of the deaths are children under 6. Of the 500, 57% are killed by fathers and 43% killed by their mothers.

With Ortega, the prosecution had a really good narrative about why she killed those two kids. That case gutted me. There’s not a convincing motive in this case - yet.

I personally believe that even more infants are killed by their parents than reported because the deaths are attributed to SIDS when in reality the parent either intended to kill the baby or engaged in unsafe sleeping habits.

A lot of the children murdered by their parents suffered long term abuse prior to the murder and the parent just went too far. If the autopsies here show unhealed injuries consistent with child abuse, Lindsay Clancy is done. But I suspect these kids were not abused.

You're basing this on one FB post unearthed from Reddit?

I think that is a big part of why this case has gotten so much national attention vs. other filicide cases. Sadly there are kids killed by their parents way too often. But generally there are warning signs so to speak. Drug addiction, history of domestic violence, custody disputes, parents are unmarried or there is a step parent/boyfriend involved, an affair comes to light, or there were hidden financial problems, etc.

Obviously we don’t know all the facts yet, it is entirely possible more will come to light. But by all accounts so far, these children were not in a high risk demographic to be murdered by their mother. It is highly unusual to go from never so much as hitting your child to horrifically strangling your children (a very aggressive/personal way to kill). She didn’t even just drive a car off the cliff in a moment of anger. She killed them one by one, over minutes each.

Every case of child abuse/murder breaks my heart. But this one is hard to even conceptualize because there seem to be no aggravating factors to lead up to this.

I think there were aggravating factors leading up to it but she kept a lot of her rage and thoughts in her head because that’s what a umc woman does. On Reddit, people found a bunch of her old FB posts. There’s one where she describes her middle son as “the most difficult person she ever met.” And the rest of the post was restrained seething. It was polite but it was obvious she was miserable and resented this poor child.

I don’t understand why such people have kids. She had a career and her own life. There’s no excuse for having kids only to cruelly snuff them out later.

Oh I definitely agree there were internal aggravating factors. I’ve also seen some of her online posts and she strikes me as someone uptight/anxious/rigid with feelings of rage when things don’t go according to her plans. I definitely think motherhood was not what she envisioned once her children were no longer babies, but that she tried hard to cling on to the image she wanted to project of herself as a mother.

But by “aggravating factors” I had more so meant external ones. I would wager a guess this case is a statistical anomaly in that there were no apparent stressors to add to whatever internally caused her to do this. As far as we know, she has never been abused nor abused her children. She is not housing or food insecure. The children were planned within a two parent marriage (e.g. no non-family adults in the house, custody battles, etc.). She does not appear to be a part of any religious extremist organization/cult. She does not appear to have addiction issues (although who knows what will come out about her prescriptions). We don’t know of any affairs. She is educated and able to hold down a professional job where she maintained good relationships with colleagues. It’s still early and more could come out, but on paper, she absolutely does not check any boxes one would expect from someone who murders their own child. In fact, I wonder how common it is for children murdered by a parent to have never been harmed on a prior occasion. This was like zero to 100 with very few warning signs.

I doubt this was the first/only time these kids were harmed. I don’t know what went on in their family and neither do you but I highly doubt she never lashed out at and hurt her kids before brutally, viciously murdering them. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if she had abused them before. She had been undergoing treatment for anxiety/stress/depression/psychosis (we don’t know exactly what) for at least 8 months and from her FB posts about her middle child she was clearly feeling that stress going back years. I bet she has “snapped” before. Sadly, it’s really not hard to imagine that these kids had a history of being abused (at least emotionally and verbally and psychologically if not also physically) by their mother.

I think believing otherwise (that she never harmed them and then one day just snapped and murdered them in a horrific way) is just another example of people on this thread painting Lindsay Clancy as this wonderful mother who one day snapped. I don’t think that’s likely the case.

You're basing this on one FB post unearthed from Reddit?

No I’m basing it on everything that we know about her plus common sense. People who horrifically murder their own children don’t typically do so completely out of the blue. Knowing that she was heavily medicated and in treatment for months prior to the murders leads me to believe that she was struggling w the same feelings that ultimately led her to murder her kids for months.

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Anonymous wrote:Add the naperville nurse to the list. She murdered her 3 kids and attempted suicide, but lived. Her husband was a doctor and seeing another woman, nurse. She's in prison. She didn't get special treatment. And they were more upper class than the clancy's. She got no white privilege that clancy is pinning for.

She had been battling depression for 4 years. She had a prescription for Ativan. She want to jail and is still there. White, nurse, upper middle class.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/naperville-sun/ct-nvs-marilyn-lemak-murders-anniversary-st-0303-story.html

She wasn't postpartum when she did it, which means there was only typical background risk of her having been psychotic when she did it. The point being made here is that that is not the case for Lindsay Clancy. She has a history of symptoms, hospitalizations and medication that mean that she was at significantly higher than background risk of having been psychotic. We'll see what comes out in the trial.

Being postpartum doesn't give LC a free pass to murder her children. LC should be treated the same way the woman in Naperville was.

Being postpartum does not have any role here. Having postpartum mood disorder, which raises the odds that she experienced postpartum psychosis, does.

"Psychosis" is not just another word for any old mental health diagnosis. There are specific aspects of it that affect ability to understand right from wrong and conform conduct to law. That is a difference between it and garden variety PPD, PPA, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:These posts speculating about whether she abused her kids beforehand seem to be in poor taste. Nothing has come out yet. She suffered from mental illness and was on a cocktail of very potent medications, as well as treatment 5 days a week. She knew there was a problem. Many postpartum type issues manifest themselves as intrusive thoughts, as do many side effects of the medications she was on.

Nothing gives anyone a free pass for murder or abuse of children. But it also seems distasteful to speculate what someone with mental illness might have done before they were ill and presumably a typical parent.

But why do you presume that about her? Someone who brutally murders their own kids is likely NOT a typical parent, even if the murders can be attributed to mental illness. Mental illness is often a long struggle not a spur of the moment bad decision.