Why don't parents demand that schools do something about disruptive students?

[Anonymous]

I really don't understand why there isn't a huge movement for school's to start actually adressing disruptive student behavior. As it is currently, it is extremely difficult for a teacher to do anything about a kids who won't shut the f**k up. If we send them to the office, administration gets pissy because it puts more work on them and they feel like it's something the teachers should deal with. The philosophy is that teachers are supposed to "build a relationship" with students, and if a student doesn't behave, the teacher is at fault.

There is so much misbehavior we have to tolerate and it seriously diminishes the learning environment for everyone. A shocking number of schools don't even offer In School Suspension anymore.

As a middle school teacher, I'm begging you parents, please start complaining about disruptive behaviors.
Contact your school board, ask them to bring back ISS, and not make teachers jump through all kinds of hoops to send some out of control kid out of the room to calm down till they are ready to come back and behave.
We teachers can't make this demand ourselves or else we get negatively branded. We are supposed to be all in for "restorative justice". The pressure will need to come from outside.

[Anonymous]

Because it’s public school. The nightmare disruptive kids who will never be productive citizens or even live on their own are entitled to a public school education. If we don’t like it, we can go private.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because it’s public school. The nightmare disruptive kids who will never be productive citizens or even live on their own are entitled to a public school education. If we don’t like it, we can go private.

Exactly. At the end of the day, I can devote my time to trying to fix public schools, or I can send my kid to private school.

We chose the latter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because it’s public school. The nightmare disruptive kids who will never be productive citizens or even live on their own are entitled to a public school education. If we don’t like it, we can go private.

This.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because it’s public school. The nightmare disruptive kids who will never be productive citizens or even live on their own are entitled to a public school education. If we don’t like it, we can go private.

But schools used to send kids to ISS. There is no reason they can't still do it.

[Anonymous]

OP, It’s telling how most parents don’t have the energy to make this a priority. If only they knew what’s going on. They don’t deserve outstanding teachers like you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, It’s telling how most parents don’t have the energy to make this a priority. If only they knew what’s going on. They don’t deserve outstanding teachers like you.

This is part of the issue. Parents often don’t know what’s happening in the classroom. Teachers aren’t allowed to share information and the administration certainly doesn’t share either. How are they supposed to act on information they don’t have?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, It’s telling how most parents don’t have the energy to make this a priority. If only they knew what’s going on. They don’t deserve outstanding teachers like you.

This is part of the issue. Parents often don’t know what’s happening in the classroom. Teachers aren’t allowed to share information and the administration certainly doesn’t share either. How are they supposed to act on information they don’t have?

Don't their kid's tell them about the antics going on in their classes?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, It’s telling how most parents don’t have the energy to make this a priority. If only they knew what’s going on. They don’t deserve outstanding teachers like you.

This is part of the issue. Parents often don’t know what’s happening in the classroom. Teachers aren’t allowed to share information and the administration certainly doesn’t share either. How are they supposed to act on information they don’t have?

Don't their kid's tell them about the antics going on in their classes?

It’s often more like violence in the classroom.

[Anonymous]

Your admin sucks (many do) your laws (our laws) suck. But to pawn this off on the parents “do something!” because of “negative branding” -seriously?? How about the teachers band together, make demands, and walk off? I don’t know about your school district but ours is constantly looking for teachers, and they fight over teachers. I believe you could be powerful negotiators.

As a parent, what am I supposed to do? I’m not there. I have no facts. It’s all second hand hearsay. You said it yourself, parents wouldn’t be told any information or any facts! A PTA can’t even get the names of the parents OR kids in a kids’ class, unless every parent signs a privacy waiver.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Your admin sucks (many do) your laws (our laws) suck. But to pawn this off on the parents “do something!” because of “negative branding” -seriously?? How about the teachers band together, make demands, and walk off? I don’t know about your school district but ours is constantly looking for teachers, and they fight over teachers. I believe you could be powerful negotiators.

As a parent, what am I supposed to do? I’m not there. I have no facts. It’s all second hand hearsay. You said it yourself, parents wouldn’t be told any information or any facts! A PTA can’t even get the names of the parents OR kids in a kids’ class, unless every parent signs a privacy waiver.

I stole this from somewhere:

The teachers are afraid of the principals. The principals are afraid of the parents. The parents are afraid of their children. And the children aren’t afraid of anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because it’s public school. The nightmare disruptive kids who will never be productive citizens or even live on their own are entitled to a public school education. If we don’t like it, we can go private.

But schools used to send kids to ISS. There is no reason they can't still do it.

I was the screwed up kid and got sent to ISS a few times in middle school. It may have made the classroom calmer or whatever, but it didn't help me at all. Not socially, not academically, not emotionally. Nothing. I was given my assignments for the days I was there, and a different teacher babysat me each period.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your admin sucks (many do) your laws (our laws) suck. But to pawn this off on the parents “do something!” because of “negative branding” -seriously?? How about the teachers band together, make demands, and walk off? I don’t know about your school district but ours is constantly looking for teachers, and they fight over teachers. I believe you could be powerful negotiators.

As a parent, what am I supposed to do? I’m not there. I have no facts. It’s all second hand hearsay. You said it yourself, parents wouldn’t be told any information or any facts! A PTA can’t even get the names of the parents OR kids in a kids’ class, unless every parent signs a privacy waiver.

I stole this from somewhere:

The teachers are afraid of the principals. The principals are afraid of the parents. The parents are afraid of their children. And the children aren’t afraid of anything.

Yet your elected school board is responsible for all the insanity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because it’s public school. The nightmare disruptive kids who will never be productive citizens or even live on their own are entitled to a public school education. If we don’t like it, we can go private.

But schools used to send kids to ISS. There is no reason they can't still do it.

I was the screwed up kid and got sent to ISS a few times in middle school. It may have made the classroom calmer or whatever, but it didn't help me at all. Not socially, not academically, not emotionally. Nothing. I was given my assignments for the days I was there, and a different teacher babysat me each period.

What was the root or the difficulties?

[Anonymous]

Schools are not made to assist with behavior issues. Schools are made to teach academics. Most of the disruptive kids need a doctor, not a teacher. Yes, as a teacher, you need to build a relationship. I am a teacher. That relationship is NOT that of a friend. They are not my peer. It is an authoritative relationship. You are a child and I am in charge when you are here in my classroom. A teacher runs the classroom, admin runs the school. It’s stupid to send a disruptive child in class to admin. They have other stuff to deal with. You deal with that child. How do I deal with it? It’s not in school suspension. That’s a glorified time out that does not address the issue that the child has. I document everything. Every student that disrupts, I call the parents on my phone and then follow up with an email to go over the phone call. Your job will get interrupted just as much as your child interrupts me. Your child will get to special services because I will word the shit out of your child’s problems. “Billy walks out of class.” No…. “Billy creates an unsafe environment for himself when he elopes m. Use triggering words. These children do not get extra credit. They do not get a redo. They do not get made up work. They fail. My job is to teach. I love teaching. My job is not to parent or be any child’s doctor.