Taylor Swift is awful (and her music isn't even very good)

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Anonymous wrote:Even my 74 year old, not online at all dad asked me yesterday "why do so many people hate Taylor Swift? Why does anyone give a sh!t?"

We keep explaining: because of her nonstop publicity and limitless self-exposure. She wants to have a pseudo relationship with her fans, fine, but can’t she limit it to posts on twitter and leave the rest of us alone?

and by "we" I mean "I". It's hard work to stay on top of this thread but I give it my all to convince everyone that TS is awful! If I can convince ONE person it will have been worth all my efforts!

oh honey seek help

I just responded 3 times to my own post! Please someone agree with me that TS is awful!

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of praise. Not hard to find:

https://www.insider.com/taylor-swift-praised-by-icons-2023-8

https://www.reddit.com/r/TaylorSwift/comments/130elj3/a_compilation_of_celebrities_talking_about_taylor/

https://www.reddit.com/r/TaylorSwift/comments/i5nqfy/big_artistsentertainers_who_have_praised_taylor/

https://wrat.com/listicle/taylor-swift-praised-by-rockers/

Look at the actual interviews, not the cliff’s notes. It follows the pattern PP described above:

I’m sure that if I went through each artist that allegedly offered her praise, it would be a similar dynamic: artist being interviewed, artist being asked, out of left field, what he or she thinks of Taylor Swift’s music, artist making a generic/political “Oh, she’s great. Love her.” type comment and then artist steering the conversation deftly back to selling his or her stuff. It’s called being a diplomatic professional, not adoring praise.

The Beatles used to publicly make fun of, a far superior to Swift, Joni Mitchell. Paul McCartney is not now in love with Taylor’s music. He is being diplomatic in his very old age.

Many of these artists have actually performed with her, and I saw many of the full interviews. What is it with you? You (or whomever) said no one praises her. They do. Full stop. Sorry to burst your bubble, but many musicians praise her.

Ed Sheeran is the only musician you listed at any point in this thread who performed with Taylor Swift. The rest of them are trying to be polite and/or stay relevant.

In contrast, Tony Bennet, did actually like Lady Gaga and performed with her repeatedly, no arm twisting involved. Can you really not grasp the difference?

Alison Krauss, Vince Gill, Sam Bush, and Edgar Meyer performed with her at the 2013 CMAs, introduced by Brad Paisley. Next reply is going to be that Alison Krauss probably hates her and has no talent, even though she's been winning awards for nearly 40 years and needs no help staying relevant. The delulu is strong with this PP.

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Anonymous wrote:You never hear other artists gush about what a great musician or person Taylor is. Why do you think Taylor is not respected by her fellow peers? Even her concerts have very few celebrities in attendance compared to Harry Styles or Beyonce.

This just proves you know nothing. Even my covid brain knows the opposite is true. Her songwriting has been praised by many many including the very best of songwriters: Paul McCartney, Billy Joel, Dolly Parton, Stevie Nicks, John Mayer, Ed Sheeran and on and on. Not to mention the gazillion industry and artist voted awards she’s won, a barrel full of Grammys and a gazillion other. I’m sure others can fill in with facts. I hate this thread.

Out of curiosity, I looked up what Dolly had to say about Taylor. While Dolly was very gracious, she didn’t actually have anything nice to say. Dolly said that she doesn’t follow Taylor’s music, that touring is hard, so props to Taylor for doing it, and last but not least that she (Dolly) would be just there to work on the half-time show and wouldn’t be in the crowd watching before of after. That’s hardly an example of gushing praise.

I hate this thread too, because it shows me how fanatical people can get about a middling talent.

Dolly: “Taylor, she’s a great writer”

See, multiple sources (apparently not the one you chose to “look up”).

Dolly was just being kind.

None of the musicians listed could name a Taylor Swift song if asked, except for maybe Billy Joel who has young children.

Name artists/writers/producers in Taylor’s age range that have praised her music.

And I know this because I am omniscient and know the personal thoughts of every single artist who has ever commented favorably about Taylor Swift.
And I know when people say things that are true and when they are not.
And I know the personal reasons that tons of artists have seen the eras tour, including: Emma Roberts, Emma Stone, Hair, Laura Dean, Shania Twain, Nicole Kidman, Jennifer Lawrence, Keith Urban, Adam Sandler, Ellen Pompeo, Gigi Hadid, Selena Gomez, Blake Lively, Ryan Reynolds, Reese Witherspoon, Katie Couric, Diplo, Arron Rogers, Trevor Kelce, JJ Watt, Emily Blunt, Ethan Hawke, Jessica Chastain, Jeff Goodblum, Billy Joel, Kerry Washington, Halsey, Jimmy Fallon, Cameron Diaz, Zoe Saldana, Charlize Theron, Jessica Alba, Channing Tatum, Paula Abdul, Maren Morris, Kelsea Ballerini, and scores of others.

I’m not sure why Gigi Hadid is being held up as any sort of “artist,” but if you think that anyone of those people listed above paid a single cent to see Taylor’s concert, I have a bridge to sell you.

oh ffs, Gigi Hadid is an international model, one of the highest paid in the world, with 80 MILLION ig followers.

I also know for certain how each much each of these people paid to travel to and see the concert. Because I'm smart like that. And it matters not one iota:
Emma Roberts, Emma Stone, Hair, Laura Dean, Shania Twain, Nicole Kidman, Jennifer Lawrence, Keith Urban, Adam Sandler, Ellen Pompeo, Selena Gomez, Blake Lively, Ryan Reynolds, Reese Witherspoon, Katie Couric, Diplo, Aaron Rogers, Trevor Kelce, JJ Watt, Emily Blunt, Ethan Hawke, Jessica Chastain, Jeff Goodblum, Billy Joel, Kerry Washington, Halsey, Jimmy Fallon, Cameron Diaz, Zoe Saldana, Charlize Theron, Jessica Alba, Channing Tatum, Paula Abdul, Maren Morris, Kelsea Ballerini, and scores of others.

Lol I like imagining there's a third Kelce brother named Trevor who had to take a Southwest Airlines flight to Phoenix and put himself up in an AirBnB and pay for his own nosebleed seats for the Eras tour.

you really had to dig deep to look for the BIG LIE! It's TRAVIS NOT TREVOR!! Thank you for exposing the BIG LIARS! We're all so thankful you're spending your day and research/proofreading skills on this thread!!

I was making a joke, dude. This thread is for fun.

I never say this but: touch grass. You are WAY over invested in this.

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Anonymous wrote:Swift doesn't have to do anything other than be seen outside for it to be a public spectacle. She doesn't need to drum up her own interest. You can't blame that on her. She's not like the Kardashians who create their own over exposure at every possible moment then say they deserve privacy.

plus a million. She’s definitely not going the way of the kardashians. If Taylor walks down Connecticut Ave, everyone is stopping and it’s not because she called anyone

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Anonymous wrote:Even my 74 year old, not online at all dad asked me yesterday "why do so many people hate Taylor Swift? Why does anyone give a sh!t?"

We keep explaining: because of her nonstop publicity and limitless self-exposure. She wants to have a pseudo relationship with her fans, fine, but can’t she limit it to posts on twitter and leave the rest of us alone?

and by "we" I mean "I". It's hard work to stay on top of this thread but I give it my all to convince everyone that TS is awful! If I can convince ONE person it will have been worth all my efforts!

So far it's not looking good for you. Maybe take up a new hobby?

I don’t know one person that doesn’t like her so way more people are fans. Anyone in the public eye will have haters but I when she had an opposing stadium going insane for her playing against Travis’ team, it was pretty cool.

If the Chiefs don't win the Super Bowl she will fall into the same bucket as Yoko Ono. They have stumbled a bit lately, you know.

Im not sure what this has to do with my post. I said the opposing stadium going against Travis went nuts for her

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Anonymous wrote:And my example of a performance was … a performance. I don’t care what you deem to be a performance. A performance is a performance. You deciding it had to be similar to Lady Gaga and Tony Bennet was just you. That’s it. And I don’t care that you made that distinction.

Take that one example away if you want, and the full Rolling Stone magazine collaboration he did with her, I don’t care. It leaves a $h!t ton of other **performances** with other artists who clearly hold her in high regard.

You. Are. Wrong. I swear it’s like arguing with a Trump supporter where facts cease to be facts simply because you don’t want them to be. I’m not a huge Swiftie, but hell, I know facts when I see them.

Jesus Christ, a performance in the context of musical professionals means a concert that people pay to see. Not a karaoke at a party.

You are nuts!!!

You are so laughably wrong at this point you’re embarrassing yourself.

You think if Paul McCartney hated Taylor Swift so much he would have agreed to that - hang on, *checks notes* - performance? Or partnered with her for the cover of any magazine no less Rolling Stone? What about all of the musicians who joined her on stage for her tour? You ignore all those when the original statement was no musicians praise her and ONLY Ed Sheeran ever performed with her? All of that is objectively wrong no matter how you try to twist it or argue for sport. You’re certifiably insane with your mental gymnastics.

I fail to see how poster could possibly embarrass him or herself by debating the quality of a musician on an anonymous mommy board.

But otherwise you are right. Based on the one karaoke performance at an SNL after party and a Rolling Stone magazine cover, it’s obvious that Paul McCartney is blown away by Taylor’s great musical talent. He clearly wishes that he could have collaborated with her instead of John Lennon. You can see that Stevie Nicks wishes the same, too, from her Grammy performance, as dictated to her by the organizers of the Grammy awards. Dolly, you can tell, from her comments, just wishes she could be Taylor.

In fact, it’s surprising that all of these older performers haven’t committed a mass suicide in their shame of not reaching the great musical heights of Taylor.

No little kids or future kids should bother trying to take music lessons or sing. Taylor is the best it can be and no one will ever be as good. Music is over. Taylor perfected it and everyone else should step away.

And if you don’t agree, you’re an ugly, jealous hater.

Feel better, now?

DP. You can tell when someone is losing an argument when they start throwing up absurd straw men. Why don't we just skip to the part where you compare Taylor Swift to Hitler and we ca shut down the thread.

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Anonymous wrote:You know what I hate about Taylor? How ubiquitous she is. She was on the cover of my grandmother’s Russian language senior citizen newspaper. Why or why? Nobody who reads that has ever heard of Taylor and they are not interested in her music. The only reason I saw it was because I was visiting my grandma in a nursing home. My grandma isn’t going to run out and buy her merchandise or go to a concert. Taylor and her PR team are just too much.

Hold on.
Let me get this straight.
YOU think, that Taylor Swift’s PR team planted:pushed a story to a Russian language granny magazine. YOU think that’s why that story was there, because Taylor Swift’s people put it there?
😂

DP. No you missed the point. The PP said what they hate about Taylor is "how ubiquitous she is." It doesn't matter why Taylor is on the cover of that magazine. Probably the magazine thought it would help them sell issues, though also I'm certain Taylor's PR team seeks to get her face as many places as they can because it helps Taylor to sell tickets, and actually a big part of Taylor's marketing these days is aimed at Gen X and Boomers because they are the ones who are often buying the tickets/merchandise for their millennial and Gen Z kids, so if Taylor can also turn them into fans, it will result in more $$ for her.

But regardless of who specifically made the decision to put Taylor on that cover, the point is that OP finds the ubiquity of Taylor Swift annoying. This is a very common phenomenon and it doesn't have to be something Taylor or her team are doing on purpose for it to annoy people. It's called being "overexposed" and it's a known PR problem, and I definitely think Taylor is/has tipped into that category over the last few months due to the Travis Kelce thing. I think if she and her team are smart, they'll pull back a bit. She's touring internationally in 2024 but especially once the NFL season is over, it would probably be beneficial for her to be seen less in tabloids/celebrity news for a while. Maybe disappear for about a year and then pop back up in 2025 with a new album.

No I read it correctly. The pp thinks she’s overexposed AND thinks the shadowy cabal of Taylor Swift comms dept is pushing stories to “Babushka’s Monthly”
And that’s hysterical
Honestly this thread has uncovered a previously unfathomable Venn diagram of conspiratorial thinkers and anti Swifties.
And frankly I’m so glad I’m here for it!
It’s been a real treat!

Why do you think a Taylor Swift story was on the cover of a Russian language Senior Citizen magazine that’s only available by subscription? You can’t buy this one at the store or in the stands, so people cannot be charmed by her great beauty to buy it. Its circulation is very small and limited to mostly Jewish Russian speaking Senior Citizens living in America. (They children and grandchildren do not read these.) Most of the ads are for Russian speaking doctors, lawyers and home health attendant services. It barely makes any money. Why do you think the editor decided to put Taylor on the cover?

Well I think it obvious!
The editor secretly works for Taylor Swift!!
Oh wait wait wait!
No, but he was handed a fat unmarked envelope in the depths of a parking garage late at night. There, a mysterious tall blonde woman, sporting a bold red lip, told him exactly what to print last month in “Matronly Matryoshka Monthly”.

I admire the obtuseness of rabid Taylor fans. It’s not that the above editor works for Taylor. It’s that her team has decided to release articles about her for little to no money. If the editor of some small obscure newspaper publishes an article about her (to fill space in an ad based tiny circulation paper), he or she doesn’t have to pay the usual fees. You have to be very unaware of how the publishing industry works to not get what’s going on here.

Taylor is the definition of overexposed and it’s because her team wants it that way. The bottom line is that she never made the leap from female tweens and their moms to the general public. And her team is desperate to get her there before she hits 40 and loses the tween audience. And if that means releasing her articles for free, so be it.

It’s the wrong angle, in my opinion.

If you think she’s just for teenagers, then you’ve probably missed Taylor mania. I know lots of people in their 40s and 50s that love her.

I mentioned the moms, too. But men, even gay men are not interested.

Im a straight man and think she’s awesome.

That’s great, but you are in the minority for men.

Are you just making up numbers? I have many male friends and they all think she’s great.

No, I’m not just making it up. This is based on ticket and product sales. Men are not her audience. Black people aren’t either.

There is a very specific demographic who buys Taylor’s stuff and it’s soon to age out. (The largest contingent being 12-35 year old middle class white women.) In five or so years, ten year olds won’t be begging their parents to take them to a concert. Meanwhile, her team is trying to get men more interested (hence the mugging for the camera at NFL games) in the hope of increasing their audience before the middle age crunch happens. If she doesn’t expand into men, she’ll fade out when the tweens decide she’s too old, which is going to happen soon. It’s obvious to those of us who are ambivalent about her.

Nope, because why do the women taking their teens also love Taylor? They are middle age so when Taylor is older and these teens are now Mom’s, they will go see her. New kids on the block is still packing theaters for crying out loud

You are missing the point. Yes, the current teens/tween and SOME of their moms love Taylor, but the tweens of five years from now are not going to identify with the 40 year old mediocre singer complaining about her checkered love life. They are going to think she’s pathetic and old.

Sure, New Kids have their fans, but they are the same people who loved them 30 years ago. Tween girls aren’t lining up to go to their concerts. Their moms are dragging them to see the boy band that they loved.

Taylor’s fan base has reached its saturation point and she wants to expand it to the general public, but that isn’t happening despite best efforts because she’s just not compelling enough.

I agree Taylor’s fan base may have reached its saturation point but only because it’s massive and I’m not sure it can grow any more.

There are online groups of “Gen X Swifties” and such, so she’s compelling as you put it to an older fan base without teen daughters. They like her on their own.

I’m not sure why you think you’re such an expert on not just someone you don’t like but the future as well? Have you ever been wrong? Like, ever in your life?

The thing is she has reached her saturation point, but that’s not enough for her and her team. That is why she’s so annoying to some of us. She already has a huge fan base. Why can’t she be happy with that? Why is she forcing herself on the rest of us with her huge nonstop publicity push. It’s not going to add any fans. We would all like her better if she’d accept that this is it and cater to that crowd. Instead, she’s everywhere because she thinks we might have missed her. We haven’t. She and her team are like missionaries proselytizing to atheists about Jesus like they’ve never been exposed to Christianity before. Beyond annoying.

Way more people like her than don’t so I think you’re in the minority. Taylor can’t win. She’s just living her life going to support her boyfriend at games and you call it a publicity push. Everything she does will be considered that because she has cameras following her everywhere. You want her to just hide out and disappear but why? She goes out and it’s going to be a scene, that’s not her fault.
I just think she does amazing things with her platform as a celebrity and is apparently amazing to her fans.

The cameras follow Taylor EVERYWHERE because she tells them where she’ll be and invites them. Kinda like they followed the Kardashians. Why have they never, ever followed Meryl Streep around (even in the height of her popularity)? Because her people have never called the paparazzi to share where she’ll be eating or exercising or taking a random walk or anything.

I personally would love it if Taylor did in fact just live her life. But she doesn’t. She’s always mugging for the camera like a big old ham.

Are you this lost? She’s not an up and comer needing attention from cameras for publicity. They wait for her wherever she’s going because pics of her are worth a lot. She isn’t in the same category as kardashian

No, I’m not lost. I’m someone who used to work in entertainment and knows how these things are arranged. No one knows to show up at the random restaurant she is going to go to without her go ahead. She’s been doing this for over a decade. It’s her thing, just like it is for the Kardashians. Think of all of the very famous celebrities who go around NYC all of the time without notice. No one is following them around because they aren’t asking their publicists to arrange it.

Wake up!!!

This. She 100% drives the attention including ESPECIALLY the attention on her personal life-- romances, friendships, etc

People will point to her private behavior with Joe Alwyn but (1) he is very private, lives in the UK, and didn't want the attention, and (2) their relationship spanned Covid when there was a bit of a break from this activity.

But what we are seeing now is her return to form. Pre-Alwyn, she did this stuff constantly to sell her relationships and personal life to the press and fans. She knows it's part of her appeal and she happily participated in the circus.

Make of that what you will. Some people won't care and that's fine. And if you pay no attention to celeb news it will have no impact on you. But it's incredibly naive and blind not to understand that the attention on her is cultivated by Taylor and her team.

Seems like an easy formula to follow for wannabe starlets. Why isn’t everyone doing it with the same success?

They do! These are industry strategies. PR people arrange "pap walks" where they put the celeb in an outfit (often specific clothes or designers to attract attention), arrange for them to basically walk outside somewhere, and then call paparazzi to come photograph them. Taylor has been doing this for many years but she didn't invent it and many, many celebs do it to drive eyeballs. Actresses will do it to boost media presence generally to help them get more roles, for instance. It's very common place.

Taylor has sort of perfected a specific version, though, where she goes out with another famous person and then they arrange for paparazzi to photograph them going in or out of the restaurant. She's been doing this a lot the last few months. This is smart because it makes the photos more likely to get picked up. At this point Taylor alone would be pretty meh, but there's a market for her with Selena or Travis or even Sophie Turner (less famous but going through a very public and messy divorce, so major tabloid fodder right now). There's a publicity benefit to the people she goes out with too. They are all in on it.

All of these people could hang out or go to dinner without getting papped. Notice the photos are all at whatever restaurant they go to, not outside their homes? How would the paps know? It's because someone told them.

Taylor's been doing this so long that the fashion site Tom & Lorenzo nicknamed it her "Empty Purse Tour," because at one point she was doing pap walks daily in these super bespoke get ups with designer purses that were obviously empty, since their only purpose was to be held and seen by Taylor during a pap walk, and then she go home or get in a car and give the purse back to the PR flak who handed it to her.

Yet with far less success. Taylor has something the rest don’t. Otherwise she would have been knocked down by now. Kind of like how you’re trying and failing.

No, with equal success. I'm sorry you don't understand how celebrity PR works? A lot of celebs utilize these strategies and it "works" in that it gets their name in the press. Taylor is no different. She's not uniquely good at it and actually, it's less about her personally than her PR team, who likely reps many of the people she's photographed with.

If you want to know who is best at this game, the hands down queen is Kim K. Tho I'm not sure being amazing at getting yourself papped is bragworthy? It is, apparently, profitable.

Equal success? Really? So many Taylor Swifts running around right now with her same level of success. Who knew!?

Yes, equal success. This is how some celebs get Oscar or Emmy nominations, and it's part of their strategy for winning. It can be part of a strategy for getting more or bigger roles. Especially anyone who wants a cash cow type role like something in a Marvel movie or a Hunger Games-type role.

So yes, people have done this to equal success, in that it is a PR strategy celebs use to raise their profile and exposure and even help build their fan base. Female celebs, in particular, have a lot to gain by being photographed and getting those photographs in tabloid and fashion mags. Because so many fans like this idea of feeling like they really know or understand a celebrity. Or that she is "just like us!"

Some paparazzi shots are candid and some celebs do get hounded by the press, especially if they are embroiled in some kind of controversy. But a significant amount of the paparazzi photos you see were taken with the consent or even encouragement of the celebrities or their team. Photos of a celebrity looking good, hanging out with other celebrities, and doing something very mundane like going to dinner, is almost always a PR plant because paparazzi do not actually hound most celebrities day and night to photograph them doing regular stuff. So what happens is PR people will call paparazzi to try and entice them to come out and take photos. In Taylor's case, the "sweetener" in most cases is probably "well she's out with Selena/Sophie/Brittany Mahomes" and that's more appealing to a pap because there's a bit of a story there (it can be sold to a publication as a "girls night out" or "Taylor comforts Sophie in her divorce" or "Taylor becoming besties with Brittany Mahomes") whereas Taylor going to dinner on her own or with a non-celeb friend offers no story.

Taylor has been doing this for decades, FYI. It's been part of her playbook since very early on and in previous iterations she would wear these kind of silly getups to help attract attention. There was also a period when she'd do kind of stunt-y stuff like bring her cat with her on pap walks, which is a great way to ensure the photo gets picked up because it's funny/cute: https://pagesix.com/2014/09/16/taylor-swift-takes-cat-olivia-benson-for-a-walk/

This is a game. It doesn't mean anything. I'm not even criticizing Taylor here -- lots and lots of celebrities do it. It's just how the game is played. I do think Taylor is more aggressive than the average celebrity on this front and I don't always understand why she goes so hard on this. Like her most recent campaign has confused me because it started after her tour had already been a raging success (basically between the US and international legs of the tour, when tickets were already sold and it was viewed universally as a huge success). I guess it kind of helped promote her tour movie. But normally you see this level of aggressive PR campaign when someone is trying to "level up" -- grab a huge film role, win a major award. Maybe Taylor is trying for another stab at acting? I haven't heard any rumors on that front. I have wondered if she has some business ventures in the works, because this is just a lot of effort towards profile-raising and exposure that (1) she doesn't really need at the moment, and (2) doesn't seem to be towards a specific end. But maybe it will all become clear later when she capitalizes on all this intense interest. We'll see.

I totally agree with you and it's 100% true that now that the paps can't make nearly as much money since social media and celebs posting their own pics, many celeb pap pics are staged, at least the ones like you described. And all celebs do it and it's the game.

I think at this point though in answer to your question about why would Taylor do this - it's not just Taylor. Some of the other celebs are getting a lot out of this too. I'm sure she was helping Sophie T. with some good positive press and not just benefiting herself, and Blake and Ryan have been INSANE with pap walks lately - likely because they are pushing their new ventures (Betty Buzz, Wrexam, etc) so hard and there was a strike that stopped them working. So it's not just her benefiting and plotting - I'm sure it's a whole PR thing going on behind the scenes.

I also think her team doesn't have to work that hard to get it and I'm sure they earn a lot of good will when they are transparent about some outings so that when she wants to be quieter or more hush hush they might be more willing to step back.

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Anonymous wrote:Even my 74 year old, not online at all dad asked me yesterday "why do so many people hate Taylor Swift? Why does anyone give a sh!t?"

We keep explaining: because of her nonstop publicity and limitless self-exposure. She wants to have a pseudo relationship with her fans, fine, but can’t she limit it to posts on twitter and leave the rest of us alone?

and by "we" I mean "I". It's hard work to stay on top of this thread but I give it my all to convince everyone that TS is awful! If I can convince ONE person it will have been worth all my efforts!

So far it's not looking good for you. Maybe take up a new hobby?

I don’t know one person that doesn’t like her so way more people are fans. Anyone in the public eye will have haters but I when she had an opposing stadium going insane for her playing against Travis’ team, it was pretty cool.

If the Chiefs don't win the Super Bowl she will fall into the same bucket as Yoko Ono. They have stumbled a bit lately, you know.

Im not sure what this has to do with my post. I said the opposing stadium going against Travis went nuts for her

That PP made a bad analogy. Taylor has more fans than Travis. Yoko never had fans.

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Anonymous wrote:And my example of a performance was … a performance. I don’t care what you deem to be a performance. A performance is a performance. You deciding it had to be similar to Lady Gaga and Tony Bennet was just you. That’s it. And I don’t care that you made that distinction.

Take that one example away if you want, and the full Rolling Stone magazine collaboration he did with her, I don’t care. It leaves a $h!t ton of other **performances** with other artists who clearly hold her in high regard.

You. Are. Wrong. I swear it’s like arguing with a Trump supporter where facts cease to be facts simply because you don’t want them to be. I’m not a huge Swiftie, but hell, I know facts when I see them.

Jesus Christ, a performance in the context of musical professionals means a concert that people pay to see. Not a karaoke at a party.

You are nuts!!!

You are so laughably wrong at this point you’re embarrassing yourself.

You think if Paul McCartney hated Taylor Swift so much he would have agreed to that - hang on, *checks notes* - performance? Or partnered with her for the cover of any magazine no less Rolling Stone? What about all of the musicians who joined her on stage for her tour? You ignore all those when the original statement was no musicians praise her and ONLY Ed Sheeran ever performed with her? All of that is objectively wrong no matter how you try to twist it or argue for sport. You’re certifiably insane with your mental gymnastics.

I fail to see how poster could possibly embarrass him or herself by debating the quality of a musician on an anonymous mommy board.

But otherwise you are right. Based on the one karaoke performance at an SNL after party and a Rolling Stone magazine cover, it’s obvious that Paul McCartney is blown away by Taylor’s great musical talent. He clearly wishes that he could have collaborated with her instead of John Lennon. You can see that Stevie Nicks wishes the same, too, from her Grammy performance, as dictated to her by the organizers of the Grammy awards. Dolly, you can tell, from her comments, just wishes she could be Taylor.

In fact, it’s surprising that all of these older performers haven’t committed a mass suicide in their shame of not reaching the great musical heights of Taylor.

No little kids or future kids should bother trying to take music lessons or sing. Taylor is the best it can be and no one will ever be as good. Music is over. Taylor perfected it and everyone else should step away.

And if you don’t agree, you’re an ugly, jealous hater.

Feel better, now?

You can’t be this dense. You can not like Taylor but you’re taking your opinion and acting like it’s the same opinion from many artists that like her and you’re not accurate at all. She’s won countless awards, has celebrities go to her shows and gets praise from other musicians and it seems like you just want all these musicians you don’t know to just agree with you as they do this ‘fake praise’ thing

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Anonymous wrote:You never hear other artists gush about what a great musician or person Taylor is. Why do you think Taylor is not respected by her fellow peers? Even her concerts have very few celebrities in attendance compared to Harry Styles or Beyonce.

This just proves you know nothing. Even my covid brain knows the opposite is true. Her songwriting has been praised by many many including the very best of songwriters: Paul McCartney, Billy Joel, Dolly Parton, Stevie Nicks, John Mayer, Ed Sheeran and on and on. Not to mention the gazillion industry and artist voted awards she’s won, a barrel full of Grammys and a gazillion other. I’m sure others can fill in with facts. I hate this thread.

Out of curiosity, I looked up what Dolly had to say about Taylor. While Dolly was very gracious, she didn’t actually have anything nice to say. Dolly said that she doesn’t follow Taylor’s music, that touring is hard, so props to Taylor for doing it, and last but not least that she (Dolly) would be just there to work on the half-time show and wouldn’t be in the crowd watching before of after. That’s hardly an example of gushing praise.

I hate this thread too, because it shows me how fanatical people can get about a middling talent.

Dolly: “Taylor, she’s a great writer”

See, multiple sources (apparently not the one you chose to “look up”).

Dolly was just being kind.

None of the musicians listed could name a Taylor Swift song if asked, except for maybe Billy Joel who has young children.

Name artists/writers/producers in Taylor’s age range that have praised her music.

And I know this because I am omniscient and know the personal thoughts of every single artist who has ever commented favorably about Taylor Swift.
And I know when people say things that are true and when they are not.
And I know the personal reasons that tons of artists have seen the eras tour, including: Emma Roberts, Emma Stone, Hair, Laura Dean, Shania Twain, Nicole Kidman, Jennifer Lawrence, Keith Urban, Adam Sandler, Ellen Pompeo, Gigi Hadid, Selena Gomez, Blake Lively, Ryan Reynolds, Reese Witherspoon, Katie Couric, Diplo, Arron Rogers, Trevor Kelce, JJ Watt, Emily Blunt, Ethan Hawke, Jessica Chastain, Jeff Goodblum, Billy Joel, Kerry Washington, Halsey, Jimmy Fallon, Cameron Diaz, Zoe Saldana, Charlize Theron, Jessica Alba, Channing Tatum, Paula Abdul, Maren Morris, Kelsea Ballerini, and scores of others.

I’m not sure why Gigi Hadid is being held up as any sort of “artist,” but if you think that anyone of those people listed above paid a single cent to see Taylor’s concert, I have a bridge to sell you.

oh ffs, Gigi Hadid is an international model, one of the highest paid in the world, with 80 MILLION ig followers.

I also know for certain how each much each of these people paid to travel to and see the concert. Because I'm smart like that. And it matters not one iota:
Emma Roberts, Emma Stone, Hair, Laura Dean, Shania Twain, Nicole Kidman, Jennifer Lawrence, Keith Urban, Adam Sandler, Ellen Pompeo, Selena Gomez, Blake Lively, Ryan Reynolds, Reese Witherspoon, Katie Couric, Diplo, Aaron Rogers, Trevor Kelce, JJ Watt, Emily Blunt, Ethan Hawke, Jessica Chastain, Jeff Goodblum, Billy Joel, Kerry Washington, Halsey, Jimmy Fallon, Cameron Diaz, Zoe Saldana, Charlize Theron, Jessica Alba, Channing Tatum, Paula Abdul, Maren Morris, Kelsea Ballerini, and scores of others.

Lol I like imagining there's a third Kelce brother named Trevor who had to take a Southwest Airlines flight to Phoenix and put himself up in an AirBnB and pay for his own nosebleed seats for the Eras tour.

you really had to dig deep to look for the BIG LIE! It's TRAVIS NOT TREVOR!! Thank you for exposing the BIG LIARS! We're all so thankful you're spending your day and research/proofreading skills on this thread!!

I was making a joke, dude. This thread is for fun.

I never say this but: touch grass. You are WAY over invested in this.

yes that's why I leave nothing to chance! She's awful!! Pls agree with me

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Anonymous wrote:And my example of a performance was … a performance. I don’t care what you deem to be a performance. A performance is a performance. You deciding it had to be similar to Lady Gaga and Tony Bennet was just you. That’s it. And I don’t care that you made that distinction.

Take that one example away if you want, and the full Rolling Stone magazine collaboration he did with her, I don’t care. It leaves a $h!t ton of other **performances** with other artists who clearly hold her in high regard.

You. Are. Wrong. I swear it’s like arguing with a Trump supporter where facts cease to be facts simply because you don’t want them to be. I’m not a huge Swiftie, but hell, I know facts when I see them.

Jesus Christ, a performance in the context of musical professionals means a concert that people pay to see. Not a karaoke at a party.

You are nuts!!!

You are so laughably wrong at this point you’re embarrassing yourself.

You think if Paul McCartney hated Taylor Swift so much he would have agreed to that - hang on, *checks notes* - performance? Or partnered with her for the cover of any magazine no less Rolling Stone? What about all of the musicians who joined her on stage for her tour? You ignore all those when the original statement was no musicians praise her and ONLY Ed Sheeran ever performed with her? All of that is objectively wrong no matter how you try to twist it or argue for sport. You’re certifiably insane with your mental gymnastics.

I fail to see how poster could possibly embarrass him or herself by debating the quality of a musician on an anonymous mommy board.

But otherwise you are right. Based on the one karaoke performance at an SNL after party and a Rolling Stone magazine cover, it’s obvious that Paul McCartney is blown away by Taylor’s great musical talent. He clearly wishes that he could have collaborated with her instead of John Lennon. You can see that Stevie Nicks wishes the same, too, from her Grammy performance, as dictated to her by the organizers of the Grammy awards. Dolly, you can tell, from her comments, just wishes she could be Taylor.

In fact, it’s surprising that all of these older performers haven’t committed a mass suicide in their shame of not reaching the great musical heights of Taylor.

No little kids or future kids should bother trying to take music lessons or sing. Taylor is the best it can be and no one will ever be as good. Music is over. Taylor perfected it and everyone else should step away.

And if you don’t agree, you’re an ugly, jealous hater.

Feel better, now?

You can’t be this dense. You can not like Taylor but you’re taking your opinion and acting like it’s the same opinion from many artists that like her and you’re not accurate at all. She’s won countless awards, has celebrities go to her shows and gets praise from other musicians and it seems like you just want all these musicians you don’t know to just agree with you as they do this ‘fake praise’ thing

I know what everyone is thinking at all times. As I've said countless times. I'm sure of it.

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Anonymous wrote:And my example of a performance was … a performance. I don’t care what you deem to be a performance. A performance is a performance. You deciding it had to be similar to Lady Gaga and Tony Bennet was just you. That’s it. And I don’t care that you made that distinction.

Take that one example away if you want, and the full Rolling Stone magazine collaboration he did with her, I don’t care. It leaves a $h!t ton of other **performances** with other artists who clearly hold her in high regard.

You. Are. Wrong. I swear it’s like arguing with a Trump supporter where facts cease to be facts simply because you don’t want them to be. I’m not a huge Swiftie, but hell, I know facts when I see them.

Jesus Christ, a performance in the context of musical professionals means a concert that people pay to see. Not a karaoke at a party.

You are nuts!!!

You are so laughably wrong at this point you’re embarrassing yourself.

You think if Paul McCartney hated Taylor Swift so much he would have agreed to that - hang on, *checks notes* - performance? Or partnered with her for the cover of any magazine no less Rolling Stone? What about all of the musicians who joined her on stage for her tour? You ignore all those when the original statement was no musicians praise her and ONLY Ed Sheeran ever performed with her? All of that is objectively wrong no matter how you try to twist it or argue for sport. You’re certifiably insane with your mental gymnastics.

I fail to see how poster could possibly embarrass him or herself by debating the quality of a musician on an anonymous mommy board.

But otherwise you are right. Based on the one karaoke performance at an SNL after party and a Rolling Stone magazine cover, it’s obvious that Paul McCartney is blown away by Taylor’s great musical talent. He clearly wishes that he could have collaborated with her instead of John Lennon. You can see that Stevie Nicks wishes the same, too, from her Grammy performance, as dictated to her by the organizers of the Grammy awards. Dolly, you can tell, from her comments, just wishes she could be Taylor.

In fact, it’s surprising that all of these older performers haven’t committed a mass suicide in their shame of not reaching the great musical heights of Taylor.

No little kids or future kids should bother trying to take music lessons or sing. Taylor is the best it can be and no one will ever be as good. Music is over. Taylor perfected it and everyone else should step away.

And if you don’t agree, you’re an ugly, jealous hater.

Feel better, now?

No one is saying that. God you’re an idiot. You’re saying facts aren’t facts. I don’t care if you don’t like her. Knock yourself out. But don’t say stupid crap as if it’s fact when you’re objectively and provably wrong. That’s all.

These are a lot of musicians who performed- by your own definition- with her on just one tour. They, as professionals, also disagree with you.

https://www.billboard.com/photos/taylor-swift-1989-tour-guests-6634335/38-taylor-swift-fetty-wap/

You, again, are wrong.

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It looks like a lot of celebrities are grabbing a piece of Taylor Swift's publicity to show that they, too are fans of the Kansas City Chiefs. Have a feeling some of them are on a downward slope and are trying to keep their careers alive by piggybacking on the publicity she gets when she attends the games. Are they even die-hard football fans at all? How else to explain it: KC is a major market but it's not New York or Philly. https://people.com/celebrity-fans-of-the-kansas-city-chiefs-8347162

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Anonymous wrote:It looks like a lot of celebrities are grabbing a piece of Taylor Swift's publicity to show that they, too are fans of the Kansas City Chiefs. Have a feeling some of them are on a downward slope and are trying to keep their careers alive by piggybacking on the publicity she gets when she attends the games. Are they even die-hard football fans at all? How else to explain it: KC is a major market but it's not New York or Philly. https://people.com/celebrity-fans-of-the-kansas-city-chiefs-8347162

Those are all long time fans with the exception of Taylor Swift.

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Anonymous wrote:It looks like a lot of celebrities are grabbing a piece of Taylor Swift's publicity to show that they, too are fans of the Kansas City Chiefs. Have a feeling some of them are on a downward slope and are trying to keep their careers alive by piggybacking on the publicity she gets when she attends the games. Are they even die-hard football fans at all? How else to explain it: KC is a major market but it's not New York or Philly. https://people.com/celebrity-fans-of-the-kansas-city-chiefs-8347162

Did you even read that?

Those are all longtime celeb fans. She's the only new one.

Eric Stonestreet is one of the most pro-Kansas sports celebs on social media. He's always posting at Chief's games and Jayhawks games. He's also part owner of the KC Royals.