Early Predictions 2028: AOC, Whitmer, Newsome or …?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DNC primary process has gotten steadily worse and there is no sign of it getting better. In 2016 they cheated Bernie out of the nomination to help Hillary, in 2020 they made all the candidates drop out in the same day to give it to Biden, and in 2024 they prevented primary challengers entirely.

(1) what 2020 candidate after the SC primary do you feel had strong enough polling and enough primary wins to have warranted continuing to campaign against Biden?
(2) can you cite any Presidential election where either party actively supported a primary challenger to an incumbent President running for reelection? Possibly Ted Kennedy in 1980 although he flamed out very early with the voters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Mayor Pete is a natural favorite among laptop class affluent Democrats. He represents their values: McKinsey, CIA, articulate, gay married. A servant of The Establishment. The problem is that he has limited appeal to swing voters or minorities, not to mention he’s short, so he can’t win a general. But affluent blue city types will make him “a thing” in the primaries, which isn’t helpful.

Pete and Vance are ruthless striver lab-created peas in a pod. Only difference: One is out, the other is closeted.

[Anonymous]

The Cali slickster just can’t get out of his own way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DNC primary process has gotten steadily worse and there is no sign of it getting better. In 2016 they cheated Bernie out of the nomination to help Hillary, in 2020 they made all the candidates drop out in the same day to give it to Biden, and in 2024 they prevented primary challengers entirely.

The oversized and continually growing influence of money in politics is why an anti-capitalist like Bernie doesn't have a chance at a major party nomination in this day and age but for the record; HRC would have won the 2016 primary with our without the DNC's meddling.

Very little to no competition is the norm for an incumbent POTUS seeking a second term so the 2024 primary went according to precedent. The mistake was nominating a relatively weak candidate in 2020 who was likely to be a vulnerable incumbent in 2024.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mayor Pete is a natural favorite among laptop class affluent Democrats. He represents their values: McKinsey, CIA, articulate, gay married. A servant of The Establishment. The problem is that he has limited appeal to swing voters or minorities, not to mention he’s short, so he can’t win a general. But affluent blue city types will make him “a thing” in the primaries, which isn’t helpful.

Pete and Vance are ruthless striver lab-created peas in a pod. Only difference: One is out, the other is closeted.

Agree with this except Pete is more intelligent. Harvard undergrad > Ohio State and Vance talked about how poorly he did in high school in his book.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Cali slickster just can’t get out of his own way.

Why is he a slickster? Because he’s not morbidly obese and can blend his makeup?

Like Trump is enriching his family every day via crypto and movies no one asked for and his cabinet members are using private jets to visit their married and/or obvious spy significant others and you’re talking about parking.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is, our primary voters are the same people who currently consider AOC, Buttigieg, Harris, and Newsom to be appealing candidates, and the people who run our primaries who gave us Hillary, Biden, and Harris against our will.

All three are better than Trump on their worst days.

The American electorate is ignorant.

"Better than Trump" is an unacceptably low bar for a POTUS candidate.

Yes, Dems must run Jesus Christ and the GOP can run whoever satan sends from the lower room

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Since nobody on this thread seems to like any current potential Democratic candidate, I’m wondering what person, alive or dead, you would consider as an ideal candidate for this era. I suspect some of you are looking for unobtainium.

Bill Clinton.

As for who I would like to see run - Stephan A. Smith. We need someone who has the charisma, can tell it like it is, isn't too crazy in either direction. He's actually polling high for someone who isn't a politician and hasn't said they were running. I hope he changes his mind and decides to run.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since nobody on this thread seems to like any current potential Democratic candidate, I’m wondering what person, alive or dead, you would consider as an ideal candidate for this era. I suspect some of you are looking for unobtainium.

Bill Clinton.

As for who I would like to see run - Stephan A. Smith. We need someone who has the charisma, can tell it like it is, isn't too crazy in either direction. He's actually polling high for someone who isn't a politician and hasn't said they were running. I hope he changes his mind and decides to run.

Not sure if there has ever been an ideal POTUS candidate since all humans are flawed but I can agree with Clinton being a good example of what our major parties should strive for. Someone who is clearly physically and mentally fit to perform the most demanding job in the world for as many as 8 years, someone who has very strong communication and elite leadership skills, and someone with sufficient and relatable executive experience. These are the primary attributes we need in our leader and yes, there are at least a handful of current politicians who could potentially prove to check all of these boxes while running in the 2028 primary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since nobody on this thread seems to like any current potential Democratic candidate, I’m wondering what person, alive or dead, you would consider as an ideal candidate for this era. I suspect some of you are looking for unobtainium.

Bill Clinton.

As for who I would like to see run - Stephan A. Smith. We need someone who has the charisma, can tell it like it is, isn't too crazy in either direction. He's actually polling high for someone who isn't a politician and hasn't said they were running. I hope he changes his mind and decides to run.

The dream-team ticket (most likely to win + best POTUS) would be AOC / Newsome.

[Anonymous]

The problem for us isn't just that the candidates are uninspiring, it's also that our governing results are poor. We're the party of the teachers' union, but we aren't succeeding at teaching kids to read. We're the party of compassion, but our anti-homelessness spending enriches Democratic activists without ever reducing homelessness at all. We're the party of comprehensive immigration reform, but we let the border get overrun by millions of third-world illegal immigrants. We need some success stories. Newsom and Buttigieg and AOC and Harris don't have good track records to point to. There may be a few midwestern Democratic governors who have done better. We should elevate them.

An even bigger problem is US. The dcurbanmom types. The covid Karens. The SUV drivers who want to ban "climate denial" while we burn plenty of fossil fuels ourselves. We clearly, proudly, and obviously consider ourselves the moral, intellectual, and class superiors of all Republican voters, all less affluent middle class people, and everyone in flyover states. We think that religion is stupid but that climate and covid obsession is holy. 100% of our Senators voted to block a ban on men in girls' locker rooms. To the average swing voter, we seem crazy, haughty, and contemptuous. We have insulted everyone who ever dared to vote against Hillary, Joe, or Kamala, insisting that they are stupid racist Putin dupes.

We have to face the facts. The average American doesn't like or respect dcurbanmom types NEARLY as much as they used to. They reject our claims to moral, intellectual, and class superiority. They think we are preening, virtue-signaling, hypocritical, selfish fools.

We cannot continue to be "leading voices" in the Democratic Party and hope for success. We need to sit this one out. No more talk of climate or trans or the angelic undocumented from laptop class ladies. Maybe the African-American Baptist Church Democrats can run this next election and win back some swing voters. But the upper middle class striver progressives definitely can't. We've worn out our welcome.

That's the lesson of Trump's big win in 2024. His voters AREN'T actually brainwashed cult members. They see him more clearly and less emotionally than we do! They are well aware of his faults, and they are very disappointed in him. They were disappointed after his first term too! But they voted for him anyway. After the insurrection. After the impeachments. After the felony convictions.

Why? Because they trust US even LESS!

We've come to see our party affiliation as central to our status. No tacky Trump boat parades for us! But what this means is that we can't see ourselves clearly anymore. We think we're great and Republicans are subhuman. And we kinda think swing voters who dared to vote for Trump in any of the last three elections are subhuman too. Well, message received by the subhumans. They know we hate them because we keep telling them. So they won't be voting for us to lead them any time soon, thank you very much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The problem for us isn't just that the candidates are uninspiring, it's also that our governing results are poor. We're the party of the teachers' union, but we aren't succeeding at teaching kids to read. We're the party of compassion, but our anti-homelessness spending enriches Democratic activists without ever reducing homelessness at all. We're the party of comprehensive immigration reform, but we let the border get overrun by millions of third-world illegal immigrants. We need some success stories. Newsom and Buttigieg and AOC and Harris don't have good track records to point to. There may be a few midwestern Democratic governors who have done better. We should elevate them.

An even bigger problem is US. The dcurbanmom types. The covid Karens. The SUV drivers who want to ban "climate denial" while we burn plenty of fossil fuels ourselves. We clearly, proudly, and obviously consider ourselves the moral, intellectual, and class superiors of all Republican voters, all less affluent middle class people, and everyone in flyover states. We think that religion is stupid but that climate and covid obsession is holy. 100% of our Senators voted to block a ban on men in girls' locker rooms. To the average swing voter, we seem crazy, haughty, and contemptuous. We have insulted everyone who ever dared to vote against Hillary, Joe, or Kamala, insisting that they are stupid racist Putin dupes.

We have to face the facts. The average American doesn't like or respect dcurbanmom types NEARLY as much as they used to. They reject our claims to moral, intellectual, and class superiority. They think we are preening, virtue-signaling, hypocritical, selfish fools.

We cannot continue to be "leading voices" in the Democratic Party and hope for success. We need to sit this one out. No more talk of climate or trans or the angelic undocumented from laptop class ladies. Maybe the African-American Baptist Church Democrats can run this next election and win back some swing voters. But the upper middle class striver progressives definitely can't. We've worn out our welcome.

That's the lesson of Trump's big win in 2024. His voters AREN'T actually brainwashed cult members. They see him more clearly and less emotionally than we do! They are well aware of his faults, and they are very disappointed in him. They were disappointed after his first term too! But they voted for him anyway. After the insurrection. After the impeachments. After the felony convictions.

Why? Because they trust US even LESS!

We've come to see our party affiliation as central to our status. No tacky Trump boat parades for us! But what this means is that we can't see ourselves clearly anymore. We think we're great and Republicans are subhuman. And we kinda think swing voters who dared to vote for Trump in any of the last three elections are subhuman too. Well, message received by the subhumans. They know we hate them because we keep telling them. So they won't be voting for us to lead them any time soon, thank you very much.

The country not having a presidential caliber leader at the top since 2017 combined with political strategies aimed at dividing the American people into two distinct sides have contributed to this confusing division and political dysfunction. Trump obviously hasn't helped this situation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The problem for us isn't just that the candidates are uninspiring, it's also that our governing results are poor. We're the party of the teachers' union, but we aren't succeeding at teaching kids to read. We're the party of compassion, but our anti-homelessness spending enriches Democratic activists without ever reducing homelessness at all. We're the party of comprehensive immigration reform, but we let the border get overrun by millions of third-world illegal immigrants. We need some success stories. Newsom and Buttigieg and AOC and Harris don't have good track records to point to. There may be a few midwestern Democratic governors who have done better. We should elevate them.

An even bigger problem is US. The dcurbanmom types. The covid Karens. The SUV drivers who want to ban "climate denial" while we burn plenty of fossil fuels ourselves. We clearly, proudly, and obviously consider ourselves the moral, intellectual, and class superiors of all Republican voters, all less affluent middle class people, and everyone in flyover states. We think that religion is stupid but that climate and covid obsession is holy. 100% of our Senators voted to block a ban on men in girls' locker rooms. To the average swing voter, we seem crazy, haughty, and contemptuous. We have insulted everyone who ever dared to vote against Hillary, Joe, or Kamala, insisting that they are stupid racist Putin dupes.

We have to face the facts. The average American doesn't like or respect dcurbanmom types NEARLY as much as they used to. They reject our claims to moral, intellectual, and class superiority. They think we are preening, virtue-signaling, hypocritical, selfish fools.

We cannot continue to be "leading voices" in the Democratic Party and hope for success. We need to sit this one out. No more talk of climate or trans or the angelic undocumented from laptop class ladies. Maybe the African-American Baptist Church Democrats can run this next election and win back some swing voters. But the upper middle class striver progressives definitely can't. We've worn out our welcome.

That's the lesson of Trump's big win in 2024. His voters AREN'T actually brainwashed cult members. They see him more clearly and less emotionally than we do! They are well aware of his faults, and they are very disappointed in him. They were disappointed after his first term too! But they voted for him anyway. After the insurrection. After the impeachments. After the felony convictions.

Why? Because they trust US even LESS!

We've come to see our party affiliation as central to our status. No tacky Trump boat parades for us! But what this means is that we can't see ourselves clearly anymore. We think we're great and Republicans are subhuman. And we kinda think swing voters who dared to vote for Trump in any of the last three elections are subhuman too. Well, message received by the subhumans. They know we hate them because we keep telling them. So they won't be voting for us to lead them any time soon, thank you very much.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Cali slickster just can’t get out of his own way.

Let's focus on the big though, like fire hydrants with no water and the debacle that LA has been because of permitting. He could champion a fix for that instead of endlessly campaigning on his piss-poor record. Why would I want this guy? He's like a Denial-of-Service attack on Californians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since nobody on this thread seems to like any current potential Democratic candidate, I’m wondering what person, alive or dead, you would consider as an ideal candidate for this era. I suspect some of you are looking for unobtainium.

Bill Clinton.

As for who I would like to see run - Stephan A. Smith. We need someone who has the charisma, can tell it like it is, isn't too crazy in either direction. He's actually polling high for someone who isn't a politician and hasn't said they were running. I hope he changes his mind and decides to run.

Democrats would never nominate someone who tells it like it is. They're going to wrap themselves around the axle of climate change, unfettered healthcare for everyone, 0pen borders, multi-culti, globalism and the systematic redistribution of income by any means necessary. Anyone who doesn't tow that line is out.