Stop bringing your dog to elementary pick up!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m just going to assume all the insane moms in this thread are from Virginia. Or potentially Maryland.

Maybe even DC! I mean, the entire site has forums for Virginia, Maryland, and DC….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Non dog owners, I have a question. Do you object also to parents who bring the fog to the neighborhood bus stop? What about the lidless person who walks their dog past that bus stop in the morning? Isn’t the real issue whether the fog is friendly and well trained?

Let’s walk through this really slowly for you, because you clearly lack critical thinking skills.

If there is a sign posted on school property that says “No Dogs,” that is clear, and enforceable. It is not public property. Students, parents, teachers and staff have every right to expect that no dogs will be on the property, and every right to ask the dog owner to exit the property and even bar them from the grounds if they break the rules.

Unless a bus stop is somehow on private property, it is a public space. Unless there is a sign posted saying “No Dogs,” you are free to walk your dog there. No student, parent, teacher, staff member or bus staff can reasonably expect there won’t be dogs around the bus stop. So there’s no reason why anyone would object to a dog being there.

So, in conclusion:

A sign saying “No Dogs” on private property = no dogs.

Public spaces = dogs are fine, unless some type of sign is posted.

That said, your dog must be on a leash, and controlled. Per most city laws. If your dog is off-leash and out of control, I’m well within my rights to kick it, pepper spray it, club it, or otherwise protect myself and my children by any legal means necessary. And yeah, I’m serious.

Did you get all that?

"On school property" does not include the sidewalks and neighborhoods that surround the school.

Duh. People are talking about the entryway to the school. Dogs should absolutely not be allowed there.

[Anonymous]

I wonder what I do every day that enrages DCUM. Oh wait, I actually don't care.

[Anonymous]

Seeing golden retrievers and cute French and English bulldogs makes my day.

But if I saw some nut with a pit bull or skittish rescue, I'd complain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Non dog owners, I have a question. Do you object also to parents who bring the fog to the neighborhood bus stop? What about the lidless person who walks their dog past that bus stop in the morning? Isn’t the real issue whether the fog is friendly and well trained?

No. The issue is rarely is about the dog. It’s about the adults with no common sense and not realizing there is a time and place to bring the dog and other times to leave it at home. The dog is not a person. I love dogs and had them in the past but understand they are not welcome and should not be everywhere. The same applies to sports games and parents trying to bring their dogs to turf fields. Stop it. A lady was letter hers run all over with one of those expandable and retractable leashes. It was so dangerous and all she did was explain as the dog wandered.

[Anonymous]

Exclaim. Not explain

[Anonymous]

I was a dog trainer and I have dogs that are extremely friendly and well-behaved. I would never bring them to school because while I know they are friendly, I see how dogs make many people uncomfortable, and I don’t want anyone to feel that way on my account.

People also misinterpret dog behavior all the time - one time I had the dogs with me in the car at school drop off, and even though they are kept in the trunk area with a divider, the teacher was visibly nervous and kept commenting how my dogs were trying to protect DC, even though I could tell they were just curious and looking at everyone out the window. So now I don’t even keep them in the car, I leave them at home, or if I have them with me, I’ll park and leave the AC running while I walk to pick up DC.

I’m also not a fan of dogs being around strange kids in general, especially large groups, because both children and dogs can be unpredictable. Even the friendliest dog can have an off day and not want a child in their personal space, or can be spooked, or there could be another dog present that they don’t like for whatever reason. When I trained, it was very common to see family dogs that had never exhibited aggression before get triggered one day, or there was a perfect storm of many different smaller experiences that lead to a bite. Most dog owners are not skilled enough to recognize when their dog is being pushed past their limit. Very dangerous for that to happen around children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread exposes why people should think long and hard before adopting a dog.

I love dogs too. Adore them! I love hanging out with my friends and family who have dogs, I will schedule dates with friends just so I can hang out with their dogs if I haven't seen [the dog] in a bit. So this isn't an anti-dog screed at all.

But often people get dogs and then are surprised to discover: it's not just a ton of work, it can be quite limiting because dogs have lots of needs and can't just go everywhere you go. If you love going out for drinks after work, for instance, I would recommend you not get a dog. Because one of two things will happen. Either you will have to stop doing this thing you enjoy OR you will have to curtail it so that you only go to dog-friendly patios during weather that makes patio drinking okay OR you will become that person who complains endlessly about how not enough bars and restaurants allow dogs and really it's discrimination and your dog is really well-behaved so what's the big deal. Option #3 is super annoying because you don't get to decide what private businesses allow dogs. You should have thought of that before you got a dog. It's not your dogs fault or the bars fault. It's your fault.

And this is the same. Is it super annoying to have to arrange school pick-up around your dog? Yup, sure is! It would be MUCH easier if all kids liked and were not allergic to dogs, and all schools allowed dogs, and all dogs were well-behaved at pick-up, and pick-up was never so crowded that having leashed dogs running around made things tricky. But: that's what school pick up is like. There are kids, including kids who don't like dogs. It's crowded. Some/most schools have explicit rules against dogs on school property (whether they are enforced or not). And so on. It's not the kids's fault, or the school's fault, or the fault of parents/families whose kids are allergic to or afraid of dogs. And it's not the dog's fault! It's your fault.

If you don't like it, don't get a dog. It's real easy. If you have a dog, get ready to deal with the inconvenience of having a dog. The world will only bend to you so much. Sorry.

LOL you could literally rewrite this about having kids. Sorry your snowflakes occasionally have to see dogs in the real world. Maybe you shouldn’t have had kids if you couldn’t handle that. See how dumb that sounds?

NP. That does indeed sound dumb, because you really cannot turn this around in the way you tried.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is hilarious. I have been reading it out loud to my husband and cracking up. You all are generally ridiculous.

And yes, I bring my dog to school pick up. Literally never heard of anyone having an issue and my dog is well-behaved of course, so it really doesn't impact others.

But do carry on!

Yeah here’s the thing those of us with problems with your “well trained dog” (why do all dog owners think this?) aren’t gonna say anything. We’re just gonna stand way out of your way and steer our kid away from you and your mutt. Dogs owners think their precious dogs belong any and everywhere and screw everyone else. People with allergies, fears or who like me just think dogs are gross have learned to be quiet and suck it up or incur the wrath of dog owners. It’s easier just to avoid and ignore. So yeah we carry on

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is hilarious. I have been reading it out loud to my husband and cracking up. You all are generally ridiculous.

And yes, I bring my dog to school pick up. Literally never heard of anyone having an issue and my dog is well-behaved of course, so it really doesn't impact others.

But do carry on!

Yeah here’s the thing those of us with problems with your “well trained dog” (why do all dog owners think this?) aren’t gonna say anything. We’re just gonna stand way out of your way and steer our kid away from you and your mutt. Dogs owners think their precious dogs belong any and everywhere and screw everyone else. People with allergies, fears or who like me just think dogs are gross have learned to be quiet and suck it up or incur the wrath of dog owners. It’s easier just to avoid and ignore. So yeah we carry on

+1. Here is a whole thread talking to dog owners, but each of them is sure they are not one of the ones being talked to.

[Anonymous]

If you see a dog you don’t want to deal with, just give them some space.

If it approaches you and you don’t want it to, tell the owner to get their dog.

If they don’t listen, get the dog out of your and your kid’s space by any means necessary.

It’s really not a big deal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you see a dog you don’t want to deal with, just give them some space.

If it approaches you and you don’t want it to, tell the owner to get their dog.

If they don’t listen, get the dog out of your and your kid’s space by any means necessary.

It’s really not a big deal.

It’s the dog owner’s responsibility to “make the space” and keep the dog away from others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is hilarious. I have been reading it out loud to my husband and cracking up. You all are generally ridiculous.

And yes, I bring my dog to school pick up. Literally never heard of anyone having an issue and my dog is well-behaved of course, so it really doesn't impact others.

But do carry on!

Yeah here’s the thing those of us with problems with your “well trained dog” (why do all dog owners think this?) aren’t gonna say anything. We’re just gonna stand way out of your way and steer our kid away from you and your mutt. Dogs owners think their precious dogs belong any and everywhere and screw everyone else. People with allergies, fears or who like me just think dogs are gross have learned to be quiet and suck it up or incur the wrath of dog owners. It’s easier just to avoid and ignore. So yeah we carry on

+1. Here is a whole thread talking to dog owners, but each of them is sure they are not one of the ones being talked to.

Exactly

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Non dog owners, I have a question. Do you object also to parents who bring the fog to the neighborhood bus stop? What about the lidless person who walks their dog past that bus stop in the morning? Isn’t the real issue whether the fog is friendly and well trained?

Let’s walk through this really slowly for you, because you clearly lack critical thinking skills.

If there is a sign posted on school property that says “No Dogs,” that is clear, and enforceable. It is not public property. Students, parents, teachers and staff have every right to expect that no dogs will be on the property, and every right to ask the dog owner to exit the property and even bar them from the grounds if they break the rules.

Unless a bus stop is somehow on private property, it is a public space. Unless there is a sign posted saying “No Dogs,” you are free to walk your dog there. No student, parent, teacher, staff member or bus staff can reasonably expect there won’t be dogs around the bus stop. So there’s no reason why anyone would object to a dog being there.

So, in conclusion:

A sign saying “No Dogs” on private property = no dogs.

Public spaces = dogs are fine, unless some type of sign is posted.

That said, your dog must be on a leash, and controlled. Per most city laws. If your dog is off-leash and out of control, I’m well within my rights to kick it, pepper spray it, club it, or otherwise protect myself and my children by any legal means necessary. And yeah, I’m serious.

Did you get all that?

"On school property" does not include the sidewalks and neighborhoods that surround the school.

…yes, dear. We get that. Can you read?

I live in an urban neighborhood. The school entry is directly onto the public sidewalk. So we will all have to coexist. Get that?

[Anonymous]

There is a difference between walking your dog past the school when it is not crowded and encountering one or two people and bringing your dog to pick up when that area is crowded. Walking your dog during non-pick up times is normal behavior and people can easily step out of your way or your dogs way. Walking your dog during pick up or to pick up means crowds, a stronger likelihood of people who are afraid of dogs, less maneuverability, and a far more difficult situation to deal with.

We have two dogs who we love who are not well behaved (yes we have done training, group and individuals) so we know not to take them places. We wouldn’t bring them to school pick up even if they were well behaved because there are signs on the property saying “Do dogs on school property”. We also know that dogs are not always the most reliable in loud and chaotic situations.