Handmaid’s Tale season 4

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get where they were at the end? Sleeping in a gymnasium reading lips? What’s that about?

Oh Lordt. We are in Season 4. In a series that uses flashback all the time. One of the most iconic scenes of both the book and the series...

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get where they were at the end? Sleeping in a gymnasium reading lips? What’s that about?

Just saying thanks for asking the question. I missed that scene entirely, I thought it was done with the train. Went back — thanks!

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get where they were at the end? Sleeping in a gymnasium reading lips? What’s that about?

Just saying thanks for asking the question. I missed that scene entirely, I thought it was done with the train. Went back — thanks!

I bawled during that scene. Only three left standing now.

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Anonymous wrote:Alma!!!

I’m loving this season so far. It’s not perfect and they’re many leaps of faith but it’s better than pretty much anything on TV now.

I agree with this. It’s beautiful to watch.

Really? I think it’s so so. When they escaped the van at the end of episode 3, it was more of the same. The only think I thought was interesting was that Serena is pregnant.

Its interesting because I thought that the problem was with women bearing children and thats why the Handmaids were important but its looks like Commander Waterford is the problem. This will upset the reasoning behind Gilead. I havent read the books but maybe this makes Serena turn against Gilead.

Waterford is the problem and Serena knows it. Thats why she forced June and Nick to sleep together so June would get pregnant.

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I thought serena had a hysterectomy when she got shot. How can she be pregnant?

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I’m loving S4. But the violence is still hard to take, which is why I originally tuned out. I hope s4 is the last season because it has dragged on so long.

I hate Gilead and its leadership so much!

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like 90% of the show at this point is slow motion and moody lighting. Perhaps it was always like this but it feels like it takes soooo long for things to happen. So many beautiful shots. So little plot.

I’m enjoying it but too many slow scenes.

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Anonymous wrote:It was hard to tell if June actually loves Nick or if she's just using him. It would be a little boring if she was just manipulating him. I want her to really love him and wish the writers had made that clear and developed that part of the story, because whether someone in June's position is capable of feeling love for someone, especially an Eye/commander like Nick, is such an interesting question.

What is one's emotional capacity for love while living such horror? Is romantic love a luxury that's only available when one basic needs and security are assured? Is a healthy and genuine romantic love possible with someone in Nick's compromised situation? If she really loves Nick, does she still love Luke? Who would she choose if she could build a life with one of them in Canada? Would she choose Luke in an attempt to rebuild her old life, or would she choose Nick because she's not the same person and Nick better understands what she's been through and the person she's become?

She did confess to Luke on that tape that she loves the father of Nicole. So at least at one point she loved him. She’s still recovering from the trauma of turtle and seeing her daughter when she meets him on the bridge. Once she recovers a bit at the farm, she will be in a position to manipulate him. But I think with them two it will always be a situation of mutually using each other mixed with some love.

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Anonymous wrote:Am I the only one who hates Nick? He’s a traitor who freely participated in overthrowing his government and as a soldier murdered his fellow Americans. All because he was a sad little man who couldn’t hold down a job. Cry me a river, Nick. I hope he ends up in jail.

+1. Pathetic turd!

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t read the thread because I haven’t caught up, I am in the prison, but I’m would just like to complain that this storyline about making June “talk” makes no sense. They have surely been moved. The whole point of the secret network is that she has no one else to give up.

I have now finished and I am still mad about this. And about Nick. The Bradley Whitford storyline is dumb, I’m sorry. They’re going to have to be more specific about “needing” him for me to buy any of it.

But mostly I am mad about the hand maids still being in the same place. It just makes no sense!! They would know that they would be better off hiding in the woods or idk but there’s no way anyone involved, including them, would have used that safe house. It’s madness. It’s distractingly bad writing.

I feel like I just watched a bunch of uncomfortable torture only to have the plot line be so bad that I am just mad about the nightmares I’m going to have and I didn’t even get to enjoy the show because I was thinking the whole time how silly it was. They could have thought of something else - a commander she knows is secretly Mayday, whatever. Anything but “where are the hand maids” because that makes no sense.

Commander Lawrence was crucial to planning Gilead. There are not a lot of Big Thinkers in Gilead, and presumably they need him to help plan and troubleshoot their next moves now that they have multiple war fronts and the crises in Canada.

The handmaids had moved on to the second farmhouse, which would have been secure had June not given them up. They trusted her completely, so hiding in that basement was in theory much safer than wandering around the countryside looking for someplace to hide several people. Where else could they have gone, unnoticed? Not to mention that June had been the one calling all the shots since before the airlift. They were without leadership. The handmaids are more crucial to the success of Gilead than ever since so many children were removed; they are Gilead’s most valuable resource, so it doesn’t surprise me that June was tortured until she gave them up. On a related note, the guard who killed the handmaids is certainly not long for this world.

Commander Lawrence stole 89 children! Wtf kind of “big thinking” is he doing for them? I’d like to see the powerpoints that got him out of execution in that scenario.

Alma and Janine are not idiots, and neither is the Commander who owns the farm house. Everyone talks under torture. They would move immediately even at huge risk.

I agree, but think they had no way of knowing June was captured.

Yeah, what? Of course they knew she was captured.

They were in different locations at that point. June was still at the Keyes farm, and they had moved to the other safe house. Do we know how much time elapsed between her capture and theirs?

At least a few days. That’s long enough. These aren’t traumatized girls any more. They’ve been through some stuff. And they’re aided by a network that includes military-type people and Marthas with half a brain.
There was so much more they could have interrogated her about. Like, how Nick hid her pregnant self for weeks (months? I can’t remember). Like who else helped her with the kids.
It felt like the whole thing was just to get in torture porn they didn’t get in in the previous seasons I guess. It doesn’t make sense that if June were captured she would have a chance in hell of escaping again. The fact that they weren’t chained the van, even? Wtf?
It’s a great show but the writing on these episodes was disappointing just because these distracting things didn’t have to be there. Even the escape, there are so many more realistic scenarios than “the one guard went to pee.” A guard could turn and kill the others to free her, whatever.

I hate the torture porn of this show. It’s why I stopped watching in S2. The release of S4 made me go back and watch S3 to catch up. Still can’t get myself to watch S2 after the hand handcuffed to the stove scene.

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Can someone remind me how things with aunt Lydia’s boyfriend ended (before she was in gilead)?

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone remind me how things with aunt Lydia’s boyfriend ended (before she was in gilead)?

She awkwardly tried to sex him on her couch, he awkwardly turned her down because it was too soon (I believe he was a widow), she angrily turned in the young mother she had befriended to child services and they took the boy away, and the almost-boyfriend looked on in horror at what she had done. The end. I do wonder whatever happened to him. I don’t think he’d ever survive Gilead or turn collaborator, so I bet he’s either a refugee or dead.

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Episode 4 only tonight...the slow drip feed is killing me.

Was that supposed to be milk in the train tank? These new people seem like creepy, bad news, but Rita is giving me life.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone remind me how things with aunt Lydia’s boyfriend ended (before she was in gilead)?

She awkwardly tried to sex him on her couch, he awkwardly turned her down because it was too soon (I believe he was a widow), she angrily turned in the young mother she had befriended to child services and they took the boy away, and the almost-boyfriend looked on in horror at what she had done. The end. I do wonder whatever happened to him. I don’t think he’d ever survive Gilead or turn collaborator, so I bet he’s either a refugee or dead.

NP-Thank you! I was wondering that as well. I knew it had something to do with fooling around, but I had completely forgotten about the young mother.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone remind me how things with aunt Lydia’s boyfriend ended (before she was in gilead)?

She awkwardly tried to sex him on her couch, he awkwardly turned her down because it was too soon (I believe he was a widow), she angrily turned in the young mother she had befriended to child services and they took the boy away, and the almost-boyfriend looked on in horror at what she had done. The end. I do wonder whatever happened to him. I don’t think he’d ever survive Gilead or turn collaborator, so I bet he’s either a refugee or dead.

NP-Thank you! I was wondering that as well. I knew it had something to do with fooling around, but I had completely forgotten about the young mother.

Yes, the backstory was really well done. I had an acquaintance with a similar temperament--hard, closed off, and severely judgmental because she had experienced rejection her entire life. She totally could have become an Aunt in Gilead.