anyone else dislike Greater Greater Washington?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
GGW has totally pimped themselves to developers


This.


Again based on what is posted on the blog what is your evidence that this is true? Or even implied?

Do think developers are big fans of their push on affordable housing?

As I posted yesterday you have to go back more than a month to find a post about an individual development proposal.


The push on "affordable housing" is a total canard. GGW isn't concerned about affordable housing (except that its bloggers aspire to live in an affordable glass box on U Street). This is the latest argument developed by Big Development and its echo chamber to force fundamental changes in the comprehensive plan and how it's interpreted, as well as substantial upzoning of single family residential areas of DC. The BigDev/GGW argument goes like this. If DC constrains judicial review of PUD determinations and upzones, denser and taller buildings will mean more 'inclusionary zoning' units. Never mind that inclusionary zoning requirements are minimal in DC, but 'inclusionary zoning' is not at all the same as 'affordable housing.' Indeed, a Big Dev/GGW proposal to upzone the avenues in Upper NW to the same height and density as downtown likely would lead to the tear-down of numerous older apartment buildings which in Ward 3 today provide the second-highest number of rent-controlled units in the District. The other Big Dev/GGW argument is that if DC upzones Palisaides, AU Park, Chevy Chase and Cleveland Park, that this will somehow eliminate gentrification pressures in other parts of the District. This ignores the fact that housing demand and markets are highly segmented, and few buyers looking for the next Brooklyn in D.C. are likely to want a high-rise condo in the Palisades or a quad-plex in AU Park. It is telling that a number of the affordable housing advocacy groups in DC saw through this charade and testified against the comprehensive plan framework proposals being pushed by the mayor at the behest of BigDev.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:GGW is like a cool sandwich shop that opened up in Petworth a decade ago but now has stale bread and uses the same ingredients you can find at Au Bon Pain.


I'm sure you think you are clever but you are not. And I doubt you've ever even been to Petworth.


Did that hurt your feelings, pumpkin? Yes, I’ve been to Petworth, many times.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
GGW has totally pimped themselves to developers


This.


Again based on what is posted on the blog what is your evidence that this is true? Or even implied?

Do think developers are big fans of their push on affordable housing?

As I posted yesterday you have to go back more than a month to find a post about an individual development proposal.


The push on "affordable housing" is a total canard. GGW isn't concerned about affordable housing (except that its bloggers aspire to live in an affordable glass box on U Street). This is the latest argument developed by Big Development and its echo chamber to force fundamental changes in the comprehensive plan and how it's interpreted, as well as substantial upzoning of single family residential areas of DC. The BigDev/GGW argument goes like this. If DC constrains judicial review of PUD determinations and upzones, denser and taller buildings will mean more 'inclusionary zoning' units. Never mind that inclusionary zoning requirements are minimal in DC, but 'inclusionary zoning' is not at all the same as 'affordable housing.' Indeed, a Big Dev/GGW proposal to upzone the avenues in Upper NW to the same height and density as downtown likely would lead to the tear-down of numerous older apartment buildings which in Ward 3 today provide the second-highest number of rent-controlled units in the District. The other Big Dev/GGW argument is that if DC upzones Palisaides, AU Park, Chevy Chase and Cleveland Park, that this will somehow eliminate gentrification pressures in other parts of the District. This ignores the fact that housing demand and markets are highly segmented, and few buyers looking for the next Brooklyn in D.C. are likely to want a high-rise condo in the Palisades or a quad-plex in AU Park. It is telling that a number of the affordable housing advocacy groups in DC saw through this charade and testified against the comprehensive plan framework proposals being pushed by the mayor at the behest of BigDev.


Who will save Ward 3 from gentrification!

This is a bunch of gibberish which conflates all sorts of unrelated ideas and problems.

Except for Chris Van Otten's fraudulent group what affordable housing advocacy group testified against the current Comp Plan update? (Hint individuals who don't understand basic economics and believe that restricting housing supply will somehow lower prices and stop gentrification don't count)
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:GGW is like a cool sandwich shop that opened up in Petworth a decade ago but now has stale bread and uses the same ingredients you can find at Au Bon Pain.


I'm sure you think you are clever but you are not. And I doubt you've ever even been to Petworth.


Did that hurt your feelings, pumpkin? Yes, I’ve been to Petworth, many times.


No you didn't hurt my feelings just validated my assumption that DC NIMBY's are also idiots.

And I doubt you've been to Petworth - a couple of visits to the library don't really count.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
GGW has totally pimped themselves to developers


This.


Again based on what is posted on the blog what is your evidence that this is true? Or even implied?

Do think developers are big fans of their push on affordable housing?

As I posted yesterday you have to go back more than a month to find a post about an individual development proposal.


The push on "affordable housing" is a total canard. GGW isn't concerned about affordable housing (except that its bloggers aspire to live in an affordable glass box on U Street). This is the latest argument developed by Big Development and its echo chamber to force fundamental changes in the comprehensive plan and how it's interpreted, as well as substantial upzoning of single family residential areas of DC. The BigDev/GGW argument goes like this. If DC constrains judicial review of PUD determinations and upzones, denser and taller buildings will mean more 'inclusionary zoning' units. Never mind that inclusionary zoning requirements are minimal in DC, but 'inclusionary zoning' is not at all the same as 'affordable housing.' Indeed, a Big Dev/GGW proposal to upzone the avenues in Upper NW to the same height and density as downtown likely would lead to the tear-down of numerous older apartment buildings which in Ward 3 today provide the second-highest number of rent-controlled units in the District. The other Big Dev/GGW argument is that if DC upzones Palisaides, AU Park, Chevy Chase and Cleveland Park, that this will somehow eliminate gentrification pressures in other parts of the District. This ignores the fact that housing demand and markets are highly segmented, and few buyers looking for the next Brooklyn in D.C. are likely to want a high-rise condo in the Palisades or a quad-plex in AU Park. It is telling that a number of the affordable housing advocacy groups in DC saw through this charade and testified against the comprehensive plan framework proposals being pushed by the mayor at the behest of BigDev.


1. They are certainly not that segmented. Lots of people move EOTR (including to very unhip areas) because WOTR is so expensive.

2. IZ units are significant, and definitely a source of housing for people who cannot afford market rate

3. Making market rate housing more affordable is a social good. except I suppose to people who are landlords and want rents to increase

4. If you don't want the rent controlled units lost, you could upzone with a requirement that all of them be replaced, and only the added density would be market rate. There are projects like that which have penciled out. Or you could just upzonie on currently non-residential parcels.

5. Substantial upzoning of SFHs - all thats in the cards now, AFAICT, is making ADU's easier, and making popups a little easier. There is no prospect of dense multifamily where existing SFHs, or even THs where existing detached SFHs are. thats a theoretical discussion in the urbanist world. Though it makes a lot of sense, and your horror at it shows that your concern is not really with AH units, since the SFHs are certainly not AH.

6. Reforming the PUD process is different from upzoning. Right now the PUD appeal process is a joke.

7. Housing advocacy groups who don't understand economics, and are ideologically opposed to market rate housing suppy, if not to private property in general oppose the reforms. Their housing advocacy comes down to stopping new housing. Can we get them to engage in gasoline advocacy? because they would oppose the selling of any gasoline that costs more than a dollar a gallon, iin order to make driving affordable, and the net result would be everyone would have to walk bike and use transit
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Well, this will make most readers on DCUM's heads explode, but personally, I would LOVE to see this:

https://ggwash.org/view/67698/connecticut-avenue-in-dupont-could-get-new-and-improved-bicycle-infrastructure

Imagine a protected bike lane from Chevy Chase to downtown.

YES PLEASE!


I'm the OP of this thread. Believe it or not, I love biking and I think a protected lane from Chevy Chase would be great. I just don't think you can dismiss the concerns of everyone who legitimately has to drive to get to their jobs.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:GGW is like a cool sandwich shop that opened up in Petworth a decade ago but now has stale bread and uses the same ingredients you can find at Au Bon Pain.


I'm sure you think you are clever but you are not. And I doubt you've ever even been to Petworth.


Did that hurt your feelings, pumpkin? Yes, I’ve been to Petworth, many times.


No you didn't hurt my feelings just validated my assumption that DC NIMBY's are also idiots.

And I doubt you've been to Petworth - a couple of visits to the library don't really count.


Now you’re just wallowing in your petulance. You’re a Greater Greater Crybaby.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Well, this will make most readers on DCUM's heads explode, but personally, I would LOVE to see this:

https://ggwash.org/view/67698/connecticut-avenue-in-dupont-could-get-new-and-improved-bicycle-infrastructure

Imagine a protected bike lane from Chevy Chase to downtown.

YES PLEASE!


I'm the OP of this thread. Believe it or not, I love biking and I think a protected lane from Chevy Chase would be great. I just don't think you can dismiss the concerns of everyone who legitimately has to drive to get to their jobs.


Fair enough but do the concerns of suburbanites who neither live in DC nor pay taxes there matter as much as those of DC residents?

More importantly would you trade parking spaces for a bike lane? Which is really what this debate about bike infrastructure would actually be about.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Well, this will make most readers on DCUM's heads explode, but personally, I would LOVE to see this:

https://ggwash.org/view/67698/connecticut-avenue-in-dupont-could-get-new-and-improved-bicycle-infrastructure

Imagine a protected bike lane from Chevy Chase to downtown.

YES PLEASE!


and remove a lane or two for traffic on Connecticut Ave. Where will it go? To Reno/34th? That's stupidity.


It would only be one lane but so what? Except for the AM/PM rush hour CT and WI do just fine handling the existing traffic load and if you eliminated all of the illegal parking you'd have additional capacity (it is rare to not have a lane on CT blocked during rush hour now).

But who cares if suburbanites are inconvenienced?


Because only suburbanites use Connecticut. Right. Got it.


No one said that but they make up the vast majority of traffic on it - I don't think it is an exaggeration that 80% of the traffic on CT is MD drivers and that is true 7 days a week. And a majority of DC residents don't drive to work.

In any case in most of these debates about trade-offs the real trade off is trading parking for a bike lane in which case the arguments for a change is even stronger.


Until you show me a study that says 80 percent of Connecticut traffic is Md drivers, seven days a a week, then yes, that's an exaggeration. My experience says there are a whole lot of DC tags on that road too.

Would much rather see improved bus service on the L2/L1, which would move more people than a bike lane and take stress off the red line, but WMATA wants to do away with the L1 and slash service on the L2. GGW could tackle that but it would go against their unstated policy of not doing anything that would ever benefit Ward 3.


WMATA is cutting bus service on CT Ave, which is all the more reason to add bike capacity. I know several people who would bike every day if they had a safe way of doing it. Right now, the combination of side streets or Rock Creek are untenable.


It would be nice for people to be able to bike from CC to downtown DC, but it's folly to pretend that that would be anything other than helping a handful of people with their hobby. True mass transit would be more regional rail, more buses, more metro.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:GGW is like a cool sandwich shop that opened up in Petworth a decade ago but now has stale bread and uses the same ingredients you can find at Au Bon Pain.


I'm sure you think you are clever but you are not. And I doubt you've ever even been to Petworth.


Did that hurt your feelings, pumpkin? Yes, I’ve been to Petworth, many times.


No you didn't hurt my feelings just validated my assumption that DC NIMBY's are also idiots.

And I doubt you've been to Petworth - a couple of visits to the library don't really count.


Now you’re just wallowing in your petulance. You’re a Greater Greater Crybaby.


Nope just holding up the mirror - or in your case the rear view mirror of your car which you probably spend a lot of time staring at anyhow while you sit in traffic.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:GGW is like a cool sandwich shop that opened up in Petworth a decade ago but now has stale bread and uses the same ingredients you can find at Au Bon Pain.


I'm sure you think you are clever but you are not. And I doubt you've ever even been to Petworth.


Did that hurt your feelings, pumpkin? Yes, I’ve been to Petworth, many times.


No you didn't hurt my feelings just validated my assumption that DC NIMBY's are also idiots.

And I doubt you've been to Petworth - a couple of visits to the library don't really count.


Now you’re just wallowing in your petulance. You’re a Greater Greater Crybaby.


You know GGW has a really, really tolerant moderation policy. There are a gazillion comments there that attack GGW's positions. Anything short of personal attacks is allowed. That you feel a need to come here to complain says a lot about you.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Well, this will make most readers on DCUM's heads explode, but personally, I would LOVE to see this:

https://ggwash.org/view/67698/connecticut-avenue-in-dupont-could-get-new-and-improved-bicycle-infrastructure

Imagine a protected bike lane from Chevy Chase to downtown.

YES PLEASE!


and remove a lane or two for traffic on Connecticut Ave. Where will it go? To Reno/34th? That's stupidity.


It would only be one lane but so what? Except for the AM/PM rush hour CT and WI do just fine handling the existing traffic load and if you eliminated all of the illegal parking you'd have additional capacity (it is rare to not have a lane on CT blocked during rush hour now).

But who cares if suburbanites are inconvenienced?


Because only suburbanites use Connecticut. Right. Got it.


No one said that but they make up the vast majority of traffic on it - I don't think it is an exaggeration that 80% of the traffic on CT is MD drivers and that is true 7 days a week. And a majority of DC residents don't drive to work.

In any case in most of these debates about trade-offs the real trade off is trading parking for a bike lane in which case the arguments for a change is even stronger.


Until you show me a study that says 80 percent of Connecticut traffic is Md drivers, seven days a a week, then yes, that's an exaggeration. My experience says there are a whole lot of DC tags on that road too.

Would much rather see improved bus service on the L2/L1, which would move more people than a bike lane and take stress off the red line, but WMATA wants to do away with the L1 and slash service on the L2. GGW could tackle that but it would go against their unstated policy of not doing anything that would ever benefit Ward 3.


WMATA is cutting bus service on CT Ave, which is all the more reason to add bike capacity. I know several people who would bike every day if they had a safe way of doing it. Right now, the combination of side streets or Rock Creek are untenable.


It would be nice for people to be able to bike from CC to downtown DC, but it's folly to pretend that that would be anything other than helping a handful of people with their hobby. True mass transit would be more regional rail, more buses, more metro.


Somehow I don't think you bike much. Biking is not a hobby in most places - it is a means of transportation. In DC about 5% of the trips now are done on bike and that number is much higher downtown. There is no reason the number can't be similarly high in all neighborhoods, particularly if you build protected bike infrastructure.

And the bike infrastructure is specifically intended to feed people into existing transportation - eg people from Chevy Chase who might ride their bike to catch the Metro at Van Ness if there was a safe way to do so. Just like most car trips are short distances most bike trips are as well.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
GGW has totally pimped themselves to developers


This.


Again based on what is posted on the blog what is your evidence that this is true? Or even implied?

Do think developers are big fans of their push on affordable housing?

As I posted yesterday you have to go back more than a month to find a post about an individual development proposal.


The push on "affordable housing" is a total canard. GGW isn't concerned about affordable housing (except that its bloggers aspire to live in an affordable glass box on U Street). This is the latest argument developed by Big Development and its echo chamber to force fundamental changes in the comprehensive plan and how it's interpreted, as well as substantial upzoning of single family residential areas of DC. The BigDev/GGW argument goes like this. If DC constrains judicial review of PUD determinations and upzones, denser and taller buildings will mean more 'inclusionary zoning' units. Never mind that inclusionary zoning requirements are minimal in DC, but 'inclusionary zoning' is not at all the same as 'affordable housing.' Indeed, a Big Dev/GGW proposal to upzone the avenues in Upper NW to the same height and density as downtown likely would lead to the tear-down of numerous older apartment buildings which in Ward 3 today provide the second-highest number of rent-controlled units in the District. The other Big Dev/GGW argument is that if DC upzones Palisaides, AU Park, Chevy Chase and Cleveland Park, that this will somehow eliminate gentrification pressures in other parts of the District. This ignores the fact that housing demand and markets are highly segmented, and few buyers looking for the next Brooklyn in D.C. are likely to want a high-rise condo in the Palisades or a quad-plex in AU Park. It is telling that a number of the affordable housing advocacy groups in DC saw through this charade and testified against the comprehensive plan framework proposals being pushed by the mayor at the behest of BigDev.


1. They are certainly not that segmented. Lots of people move EOTR (including to very unhip areas) because WOTR is so expensive.

2. IZ units are significant, and definitely a source of housing for people who cannot afford market rate

3. Making market rate housing more affordable is a social good. except I suppose to people who are landlords and want rents to increase

4. If you don't want the rent controlled units lost, you could upzone with a requirement that all of them be replaced, and only the added density would be market rate. There are projects like that which have penciled out. Or you could just upzonie on currently non-residential parcels.

5. Substantial upzoning of SFHs - all thats in the cards now, AFAICT, is making ADU's easier, and making popups a little easier. There is no prospect of dense multifamily where existing SFHs, or even THs where existing detached SFHs are. thats a theoretical discussion in the urbanist world. Though it makes a lot of sense, and your horror at it shows that your concern is not really with AH units, since the SFHs are certainly not AH.

6. Reforming the PUD process is different from upzoning. Right now the PUD appeal process is a joke.

7. Housing advocacy groups who don't understand economics, and are ideologically opposed to market rate housing suppy, if not to private property in general oppose the reforms. Their housing advocacy comes down to stopping new housing. Can we get them to engage in gasoline advocacy? because they would oppose the selling of any gasoline that costs more than a dollar a gallon, iin order to make driving affordable, and the net result would be everyone would have to walk bike and use transit


I get supply and demand, but please explain to me, since you are SO GOOD at economics, how exactly will reducing judicial review, and building a ton of new very expensive condos and 1-bedroom rentals in centrally located areas increases affordability for low=income people or improve their commutes from far-flung affordable areas? With actual numbers and research, not just "increasing supply will decrease prices with the magic hand!"
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:GGW is like a cool sandwich shop that opened up in Petworth a decade ago but now has stale bread and uses the same ingredients you can find at Au Bon Pain.


I'm sure you think you are clever but you are not. And I doubt you've ever even been to Petworth.


Did that hurt your feelings, pumpkin? Yes, I’ve been to Petworth, many times.


No you didn't hurt my feelings just validated my assumption that DC NIMBY's are also idiots.

And I doubt you've been to Petworth - a couple of visits to the library don't really count.


Now you’re just wallowing in your petulance. You’re a Greater Greater Crybaby.


Nope just holding up the mirror - or in your case the rear view mirror of your car which you probably spend a lot of time staring at anyhow while you sit in traffic.


Hi, I am OP, and I lived in Petworth for 2 years and don't know how to drive. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Well, this will make most readers on DCUM's heads explode, but personally, I would LOVE to see this:

https://ggwash.org/view/67698/connecticut-avenue-in-dupont-could-get-new-and-improved-bicycle-infrastructure

Imagine a protected bike lane from Chevy Chase to downtown.

YES PLEASE!


and remove a lane or two for traffic on Connecticut Ave. Where will it go? To Reno/34th? That's stupidity.


It would only be one lane but so what? Except for the AM/PM rush hour CT and WI do just fine handling the existing traffic load and if you eliminated all of the illegal parking you'd have additional capacity (it is rare to not have a lane on CT blocked during rush hour now).

But who cares if suburbanites are inconvenienced?


Because only suburbanites use Connecticut. Right. Got it.


No one said that but they make up the vast majority of traffic on it - I don't think it is an exaggeration that 80% of the traffic on CT is MD drivers and that is true 7 days a week. And a majority of DC residents don't drive to work.

In any case in most of these debates about trade-offs the real trade off is trading parking for a bike lane in which case the arguments for a change is even stronger.


Until you show me a study that says 80 percent of Connecticut traffic is Md drivers, seven days a a week, then yes, that's an exaggeration. My experience says there are a whole lot of DC tags on that road too.

Would much rather see improved bus service on the L2/L1, which would move more people than a bike lane and take stress off the red line, but WMATA wants to do away with the L1 and slash service on the L2. GGW could tackle that but it would go against their unstated policy of not doing anything that would ever benefit Ward 3.


WMATA is cutting bus service on CT Ave, which is all the more reason to add bike capacity. I know several people who would bike every day if they had a safe way of doing it. Right now, the combination of side streets or Rock Creek are untenable.


It would be nice for people to be able to bike from CC to downtown DC, but it's folly to pretend that that would be anything other than helping a handful of people with their hobby. True mass transit would be more regional rail, more buses, more metro.


Somehow I don't think you bike much. Biking is not a hobby in most places - it is a means of transportation. In DC about 5% of the trips now are done on bike and that number is much higher downtown. There is no reason the number can't be similarly high in all neighborhoods, particularly if you build protected bike infrastructure.

And the bike infrastructure is specifically intended to feed people into existing transportation - eg people from Chevy Chase who might ride their bike to catch the Metro at Van Ness if there was a safe way to do so. Just like most car trips are short distances most bike trips are as well.


How many trips are made from say Wheaton to downtown on bikes? Or would ever be made, with theoretically perfect bike infrastructure?

Biking is a mode of transportation for some, but it's generally for the privileged few who have A) the time B) the health/ability and C) the length of commute to allow it. For people who have a very long commute, kids to drop off, errands to do to support a family, night-shift work, etc, it's just not an option.
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