Immigration Bill

[Anonymous]

What going to happen to our First lady? she has like a total of 10 points?

[Anonymous]

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I am a liberal Democrat who is the daughter of immigrants and I agree with Cotton, Perdue, et al. on this issue. We should severely curtail low-skilled immigration and reserve those spaces for the best and brightest immigrants (obviously without discriminating based on country of origin.) I think the current system, where people can sponsor their siblings and extended family, who then theoretically get priority over high-skilled immigrants, is nuts. The Canadian and Australian systems are great models. I fail to see what's un-American or racist about this unless it discriminates based on race/ethnicity/country, which I don't believe it does.

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I am a progressive and an immigrant and I support this bill. We should have a merit based immigration system.. get the best and brightest from the world.

Most non-native Americans would not be here today if this bill was in place when their ancestors came over.

This is a complete rejection of American ideals that have stood for several centuries.

The bosom of America is open to receive not only the opulent & respectable Stranger, but the oppressed & persecuted of all Nations & Religions; whom we shall wellcome to a participation of all our rights & previleges, if by decency & propriety of conduct they appear to merit the enjoyment. -- George Washington, 1783

https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Washington/99-01-02-12127

So perhaps it's time for America to evolve from the refuge of the convicts and the infectiously diseased to the place of genuinely valuable, productive people. You've made a great country with hardscrabble people; imagine how much better America would have been if immigration was always merit based.

Both convicts and the infectiously diseased are not eligible to immigrate. We already have a merit-based green card system that works alongside our family based system. It's a simple matter to expand that. Cutting legal immigration in half would devastate the economy, which is why this bill has gotten nowhere in the Senate, despite being around for a while.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

I am a liberal Democrat who is the daughter of immigrants and I agree with Cotton, Perdue, et al. on this issue. We should severely curtail low-skilled immigration and reserve those spaces for the best and brightest immigrants (obviously without discriminating based on country of origin.) I think the current system, where people can sponsor their siblings and extended family, who then theoretically get priority over high-skilled immigrants, is nuts. The Canadian and Australian systems are great models. I fail to see what's un-American or racist about this unless it discriminates based on race/ethnicity/country, which I don't believe it does.

+1000000

I am a progressive and an immigrant and I support this bill. We should have a merit based immigration system.. get the best and brightest from the world.

Most non-native Americans would not be here today if this bill was in place when their ancestors came over.

This is a complete rejection of American ideals that have stood for several centuries.

The bosom of America is open to receive not only the opulent & respectable Stranger, but the oppressed & persecuted of all Nations & Religions; whom we shall wellcome to a participation of all our rights & previleges, if by decency & propriety of conduct they appear to merit the enjoyment. -- George Washington, 1783

https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Washington/99-01-02-12127

So perhaps it's time for America to evolve from the refuge of the convicts and the infectiously diseased to the place of genuinely valuable, productive people. You've made a great country with hardscrabble people; imagine how much better America would have been if immigration was always merit based.

Both convicts and the infectiously diseased are not eligible to immigrate. We already have a merit-based green card system that works alongside our family based system. It's a simple matter to expand that. Cutting legal immigration in half would devastate the economy, which is why this bill has gotten nowhere in the Senate, despite being around for a while.

No you don't, and whatever provisions resembling that do exist, are arbitrary and open only to the very few.

[Anonymous]

I think an important part of this is to curtail the daisy chain from family immigration.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I am a liberal Democrat who is the daughter of immigrants and I agree with Cotton, Perdue, et al. on this issue. We should severely curtail low-skilled immigration and reserve those spaces for the best and brightest immigrants (obviously without discriminating based on country of origin.) I think the current system, where people can sponsor their siblings and extended family, who then theoretically get priority over high-skilled immigrants, is nuts. The Canadian and Australian systems are great models. I fail to see what's un-American or racist about this unless it discriminates based on race/ethnicity/country, which I don't believe it does.

+1000000

I am a progressive and an immigrant and I support this bill. We should have a merit based immigration system.. get the best and brightest from the world.

Most non-native Americans would not be here today if this bill was in place when their ancestors came over.

This is a complete rejection of American ideals that have stood for several centuries.

The bosom of America is open to receive not only the opulent & respectable Stranger, but the oppressed & persecuted of all Nations & Religions; whom we shall wellcome to a participation of all our rights & previleges, if by decency & propriety of conduct they appear to merit the enjoyment. -- George Washington, 1783

https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Washington/99-01-02-12127

So perhaps it's time for America to evolve from the refuge of the convicts and the infectiously diseased to the place of genuinely valuable, productive people. You've made a great country with hardscrabble people; imagine how much better America would have been if immigration was always merit based.

Both convicts and the infectiously diseased are not eligible to immigrate. We already have a merit-based green card system that works alongside our family based system. It's a simple matter to expand that. Cutting legal immigration in half would devastate the economy, which is why this bill has gotten nowhere in the Senate, despite being around for a while.

America's past as a penal colony is not too far removed from the time George Washington uttered what you quoted. Things have changed. It's OK for a country to decide they no longer want people they used to want.

[Anonymous]

This bill is DOA, too many GOP Senators are from states where the hispanic vote actually matters. It would be political suicide for the Senators from AZ, TX, NM to vote in favor. It'll never get past the Senate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am a liberal Democrat who is the daughter of immigrants and I agree with Cotton, Perdue, et al. on this issue. We should severely curtail low-skilled immigration and reserve those spaces for the best and brightest immigrants (obviously without discriminating based on country of origin.) I think the current system, where people can sponsor their siblings and extended family, who then theoretically get priority over high-skilled immigrants, is nuts. The Canadian and Australian systems are great models. I fail to see what's un-American or racist about this, unless it discriminates based on race/ethnicity/country, which I don't believe it does.

Exactly. There is nothing un-American or racist or xenophobic about this, though there are some who *love* to pretend otherwise. They're like a broken record that I honestly tune out these days.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I am a liberal Democrat who is the daughter of immigrants and I agree with Cotton, Perdue, et al. on this issue. We should severely curtail low-skilled immigration and reserve those spaces for the best and brightest immigrants (obviously without discriminating based on country of origin.) I think the current system, where people can sponsor their siblings and extended family, who then theoretically get priority over high-skilled immigrants, is nuts. The Canadian and Australian systems are great models. I fail to see what's un-American or racist about this unless it discriminates based on race/ethnicity/country, which I don't believe it does.

+1000000

I am a progressive and an immigrant and I support this bill. We should have a merit based immigration system.. get the best and brightest from the world.

So you agree you shouldn't be allowed to bring your parents over either?

[Anonymous]

What is the earliest this bill could become law?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's nice to know that America will have a policy similar to the one that turned away 900 Jews who fled Nazi Germany in 1939 on the MS St. Louis, #MAGA

so for how many millennia do we need to accept every single person because we turned them way? btw, weren't they highly educated or something? or are we supposed to give preference to those who have uncle's uncle in the US, the way we do now?

Forever. Those yearning to be free should be welcome not just those who can make the most cash

So then, I should be welcomed with open arms in Italy, because I've always wanted to live there. Right?

Are you saying America is not exceptional?

The Italy example was a hypothetical, obviously. I do believe America is exceptional. I've lived all over the world, and enjoyed some of the places, but would never want to be a citizen of any country other than the U.S. And the U.S. has every right to limit and/or choose who immigrates here - just as all other countries do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's nice to know that America will have a policy similar to the one that turned away 900 Jews who fled Nazi Germany in 1939 on the MS St. Louis, #MAGA

so for how many millennia do we need to accept every single person because we turned them way? btw, weren't they highly educated or something? or are we supposed to give preference to those who have uncle's uncle in the US, the way we do now?

Forever. Those yearning to be free should be welcome not just those who can make the most cash

So then, I should be welcomed with open arms in Italy, because I've always wanted to live there. Right?

Are you saying America is not exceptional?

No it is not

Actually, yes - it is. If you don't agree, you're free to move somewhere else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a long-time non-immigrant worker and I would support this bill. The current system, apart from family ties, is arbitrary and illogical. It would be so much better to have a system with an objective grading matrix where each applicant gets X points for certain things like graduate degrees, English fluency, solvency, childbearing age etc., and it's crystal clear what you have to have/achieve to immigrate here. The current employment-based immigration system depends on arbitrary factors like whether your employer is willing to sponsor you. This has nothing to do with how productive you will be as a new permanent resident.

And while it may be politically incorrect to say this, but it's never been quite clear to me why an illiterate, illegal, non-English speaking roustabout finds a sympathetic audience, a network of support, and a set of political forces lobbying on his behalf, while someone like me, with multiple graduate degrees, two houses and money in the bank does not. Does America want to be a refuge of the last resort?
Or a beacon for the best, brightest, and most productive? Objectively, someone like me will be much more useful to the U.S. than not. Objectively, my high salary and real estate taxes have already benefited this country. Yet there is no provision for people like me to stay here unless you beg someone for an employer-sponsored green card. It defies logic when you think about the kind of immigrants the U.S. welcomes vs. not.

+1,000,000
Well said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I am a liberal Democrat who is the daughter of immigrants and I agree with Cotton, Perdue, et al. on this issue. We should severely curtail low-skilled immigration and reserve those spaces for the best and brightest immigrants (obviously without discriminating based on country of origin.) I think the current system, where people can sponsor their siblings and extended family, who then theoretically get priority over high-skilled immigrants, is nuts. The Canadian and Australian systems are great models. I fail to see what's un-American or racist about this unless it discriminates based on race/ethnicity/country, which I don't believe it does.

+1000000

I am a progressive and an immigrant and I support this bill. We should have a merit based immigration system.. get the best and brightest from the world.

Most non-native Americans would not be here today if this bill was in place when their ancestors came over.

This is a complete rejection of American ideals that have stood for several centuries.

The bosom of America is open to receive not only the opulent & respectable Stranger, but the oppressed & persecuted of all Nations & Religions; whom we shall wellcome to a participation of all our rights & previleges, if by decency & propriety of conduct they appear to merit the enjoyment. -- George Washington, 1783

https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Washington/99-01-02-12127

You do realize it is no longer 1783, right? Good grief.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My family and I came from Russia in 1994. Neither of my parents had money or education and spoke very little English. I was in grade school and my brother and I started school without knowing a word of English. We stayed in a two bedroom apartment with another Russian family. I remember being hungry a lot. Both of my parents worked two jobs - sometimes dropping my brother and I off at the library because they couldn't afford a sitter.

My father now own a company that employs 12 Americans and gives them benefits. My mother is a preschool teacher. I am a pediatrician and my brother is in medical school now.

We are the family this bill would turn away.

Similar story for me. Many of the uneducated immigrants start small businesses. I am in NY right now, grew up in LA and lived in sf. In all those places I see low skilled immigrants starting small businesses.

Taking advantage of relatives by paying them slave wages.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am a liberal Democrat who is the daughter of immigrants and I agree with Cotton, Perdue, et al. on this issue. We should severely curtail low-skilled immigration and reserve those spaces for the best and brightest immigrants (obviously without discriminating based on country of origin.) I think the current system, where people can sponsor their siblings and extended family, who then theoretically get priority over high-skilled immigrants, is nuts. The Canadian and Australian systems are great models. I fail to see what's un-American or racist about this, unless it discriminates based on race/ethnicity/country, which I don't believe it does.

Exactly. There is nothing un-American or racist or xenophobic about this, though there are some who *love* to pretend otherwise. They're like a broken record that I honestly tune out these days.

Of course, as percentages of their current populations, Canada and Australia take many more immigrants than the US does, and will take even more if this bill, which sharply curtails immigration, is implemented.