My students are dumb...just completely and utterly dumb

[Anonymous]

What's up with the troll that calls everyone else a troll as they have no brain or no argument

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I knew someone who went through a mediocre school system in a southern state we all secretly feel is "backwards." A person in authority saw something in this individual, singled them out, sent them to a special "post high school" remedial school, subsequently funneled this individual and others like them into a highly regarded college. This individual graduated from this college, later attended an Ivy League for a graduate degree, and had a fine career. True story.

It's not the kids. It's the schools.

I seriously doubt that individual had an IQ below 85. There are many kids in this country in all states who are unable to handle the required academic load. They often get into trouble of some sort or drop out. We need more vocational programs so those kids can learn the skills needed for employment.

I just had an IEP meeting for a student who scored 52 as his FSIQ. I doubt it’s that low but he learns very slowly. He basically needs to repeat each grade to be able to learn the content. It’s sad but I usually have a student every year or so test in the 70s. They don’t get an IEP because they are working to their potential.

PP here. Yes, that's what many people don't understand. Since eligibility for Intellectual Disabilities requires below 70 in both cognitive and adaptive behavior functioning, there are many kids who don't qualify for services because their cognitive scores aren't high enough for the learning Disabilities category either. They basically get few alerts, unless their parents can afford private evaluation, meds, and/or a medical basis for OHI.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I knew someone who went through a mediocre school system in a southern state we all secretly feel is "backwards." A person in authority saw something in this individual, singled them out, sent them to a special "post high school" remedial school, subsequently funneled this individual and others like them into a highly regarded college. This individual graduated from this college, later attended an Ivy League for a graduate degree, and had a fine career. True story.

It's not the kids. It's the schools.

I seriously doubt that individual had an IQ below 85. There are many kids in this country in all states who are unable to handle the required academic load. They often get into trouble of some sort or drop out. We need more vocational programs so those kids can learn the skills needed for employment.

Well, who said anything about an IQ below 85? Clearly this person's IQ is well above 85. This thread is about a teacher writing off an entire class of kids, wholesale.

There are schools in areas where the majority of kids have a measured IQ that's below average.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I knew someone who went through a mediocre school system in a southern state we all secretly feel is "backwards." A person in authority saw something in this individual, singled them out, sent them to a special "post high school" remedial school, subsequently funneled this individual and others like them into a highly regarded college. This individual graduated from this college, later attended an Ivy League for a graduate degree, and had a fine career. True story.

It's not the kids. It's the schools.

I seriously doubt that individual had an IQ below 85. There are many kids in this country in all states who are unable to handle the required academic load. They often get into trouble of some sort or drop out. We need more vocational programs so those kids can learn the skills needed for employment.

I just had an IEP meeting for a student who scored 52 as his FSIQ. I doubt it’s that low but he learns very slowly. He basically needs to repeat each grade to be able to learn the content. It’s sad but I usually have a student every year or so test in the 70s. They don’t get an IEP because they are working to their potential.

PP here. Yes, that's what many people don't understand. Since eligibility for Intellectual Disabilities requires below 70 in both cognitive and adaptive behavior functioning, there are many kids who don't qualify for services because their cognitive scores aren't high enough for the learning Disabilities category either. They basically get few alerts, unless their parents can afford private evaluation, meds, and/or a medical basis for OHI.

get few supports

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I knew someone who went through a mediocre school system in a southern state we all secretly feel is "backwards." A person in authority saw something in this individual, singled them out, sent them to a special "post high school" remedial school, subsequently funneled this individual and others like them into a highly regarded college. This individual graduated from this college, later attended an Ivy League for a graduate degree, and had a fine career. True story.

It's not the kids. It's the schools.

I seriously doubt that individual had an IQ below 85. There are many kids in this country in all states who are unable to handle the required academic load. They often get into trouble of some sort or drop out. We need more vocational programs so those kids can learn the skills needed for employment.

Well, who said anything about an IQ below 85? Clearly this person's IQ is well above 85. This thread is about a teacher writing off an entire class of kids, wholesale.

There are schools in areas where the majority of kids have a measured IQ that's below average.

An entire standard deviation below? How is that possible, barring inbreeding, extreme poverty, or environmental disaster?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I knew someone who went through a mediocre school system in a southern state we all secretly feel is "backwards." A person in authority saw something in this individual, singled them out, sent them to a special "post high school" remedial school, subsequently funneled this individual and others like them into a highly regarded college. This individual graduated from this college, later attended an Ivy League for a graduate degree, and had a fine career. True story.

It's not the kids. It's the schools.

No, that was this specific kid. 99% if those kids won’t get to Ivy no matter what. In fact, 99% of the kids at the “best” public schools won’t either. This particular kid had unique talent and intellect

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I knew someone who went through a mediocre school system in a southern state we all secretly feel is "backwards." A person in authority saw something in this individual, singled them out, sent them to a special "post high school" remedial school, subsequently funneled this individual and others like them into a highly regarded college. This individual graduated from this college, later attended an Ivy League for a graduate degree, and had a fine career. True story.

It's not the kids. It's the schools.

I seriously doubt that individual had an IQ below 85. There are many kids in this country in all states who are unable to handle the required academic load. They often get into trouble of some sort or drop out. We need more vocational programs so those kids can learn the skills needed for employment.

Well, who said anything about an IQ below 85? Clearly this person's IQ is well above 85. This thread is about a teacher writing off an entire class of kids, wholesale.

There are schools in areas where the majority of kids have a measured IQ that's below average.

An entire standard deviation below? How is that possible, barring inbreeding, extreme poverty, or environmental disaster?

Where to begin...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I knew someone who went through a mediocre school system in a southern state we all secretly feel is "backwards." A person in authority saw something in this individual, singled them out, sent them to a special "post high school" remedial school, subsequently funneled this individual and others like them into a highly regarded college. This individual graduated from this college, later attended an Ivy League for a graduate degree, and had a fine career. True story.

It's not the kids. It's the schools.

I seriously doubt that individual had an IQ below 85. There are many kids in this country in all states who are unable to handle the required academic load. They often get into trouble of some sort or drop out. We need more vocational programs so those kids can learn the skills needed for employment.

Well, who said anything about an IQ below 85? Clearly this person's IQ is well above 85. This thread is about a teacher writing off an entire class of kids, wholesale.

There are schools in areas where the majority of kids have a measured IQ that's below average.

An entire standard deviation below? How is that possible, barring inbreeding, extreme poverty, or environmental disaster?

Where to begin...

Assortative mating.

Low IQ mates low IQ. Then there is the environmental impact of low parental IQ on the child (being poor, bad diet, poor prenatal care, not reading books to kids, not talking to babies, too much TV, corporal punishment), and offspring IQ is further reduced.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I knew someone who went through a mediocre school system in a southern state we all secretly feel is "backwards." A person in authority saw something in this individual, singled them out, sent them to a special "post high school" remedial school, subsequently funneled this individual and others like them into a highly regarded college. This individual graduated from this college, later attended an Ivy League for a graduate degree, and had a fine career. True story.

It's not the kids. It's the schools.

I seriously doubt that individual had an IQ below 85. There are many kids in this country in all states who are unable to handle the required academic load. They often get into trouble of some sort or drop out. We need more vocational programs so those kids can learn the skills needed for employment.

Well, who said anything about an IQ below 85? Clearly this person's IQ is well above 85. This thread is about a teacher writing off an entire class of kids, wholesale.

There are schools in areas where the majority of kids have a measured IQ that's below average.

An entire standard deviation below? How is that possible, barring inbreeding, extreme poverty, or environmental disaster?

Where to begin...

Assortative mating.

Low IQ mates low IQ. Then there is the environmental impact of low parental IQ on the child (being poor, bad diet, poor prenatal care, not reading books to kids, not talking to babies, too much TV, corporal punishment), and offspring IQ is further reduced.

Plus alcohol and drug use

[Anonymous]

Facebook? Are they 50 years old?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Monday morning blues, OP?

Hang in there. It means YOU can make a difference in their lives!

Their parents are the ones who are supposed to be making the difference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wonder what happened to OP.
I will say my own high IQ kids have definitely gotten more dumb with screens and iPhones. They used to have diverse interests and could talk intelligently on a variety of topics. Now they are you watch stupid crap on Tik too and speak in memes. I tried taking the phones but they have chrome books from school anyway.
But my hope is that the skill set required for the future will somehow be well matched for the generation that is growing now. Lord knows that our grandparents’ skills sets were not particularly useful for our generation. Maybe Dumb is the New Snart. Or something like that.

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This is it. Your children aren't getting smarter with phones. In school, they are distracted & using them to cheat, err "to look up answers". So they get good grades and parents see no reason for concern. They have anxiety to talk to each other because their noses faces are down at the end of class looking at mindless influencers. The OP mentioned Facebook 6 years ago; TikTok will become Facebook in six years & will be replaced by something with an even-more addictive algorithm.
-a HS teacher who misses the conversation and pandemonium of the last 5 minutes of class of generations past, which has been replaced by silence today