And that’s the $5M point
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+1000 |
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| That's great OP. With this market rally and our investments in tech stocks especially in ASML and SNDK, we just hit $5M in our Roth IRAs. Assuming nothing changes, at 4%, that's $200K in tax free income we can pull out of our Roth when we hit 59 1/2 (in about 8 years) without touching the principal. |
Anonymous
You're assuming they invested in the S&P500. They could have invested in some great individual stocks that have far surpassed the S&P500 returns. You need to open up your thought aperature a little PP. |
Anonymous
I did it as well by investing in individual stocks. Call it luck, call it skill, I don't really care but just investing in the S&P500 and you can just expect your returns to go with the flow. Nothing wrong with that. But you have to take some real risk if you really want to have outsized returns. I bought into some early stage biotechs that developed treatments for rare diseases, and the returns have been nothing short of incredible. Also bought heavy into Eli Lilly well before GLP-1 drugs were a thing. Who would have thought there would be huge demand for a drug that makes you thinner. |
Anonymous
Sounds great. Can you recommend who did this retirement plan/portfolio for you? |
Anonymous
| We just hit $15M a second time. We were at $15M about two years ago before my husband's company stock tanked and never recovered (may never). So we went down, but now we are back up. If his stock recovers, that would be amazing considering it is about 5% of our portfolio. |
Anonymous
+1 |
Anonymous
It's really not. The median HHI for people 65-70 is $69k. |
Anonymous
$10 million at 54 was our limit. We can maintain our current lifestyle (2 kids in college still). |
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| Can I retire if I have real estate portfolio that generates $330k/year gross, no debt and $1m in brokerage ? |
Anonymous
Yes |
Anonymous
Early retired law firm partner here. I haven't been on here in a while. Some posters hate me for some odd reason ha ha. But anyway . . . A couple years ago Schwab did something like this for us for free. It's something that many brokerage firms offer to clients with healthy balances in their accounts. I found it to be helpful, as least in confirming where I thought we were and where we were going. When I retired about 11-12 years ago I was in the early 50s with a net worth (including home equity) of about $4 million. We were collecting modest rent from a condo and a basement apartment at the time. We've since sold the condo. I also took advantage of Rule 72(t) which another poster mentioned and withdrew without penalty a small amount from one of my smaller IRAs for a few years. I also received a pretty large cash payment (mid 6 figures, I recall) from my firm as a return of my capital; it was tax free at the time since it had already been taxed in the years that the firm held it back in the first place. Finally, the firm allowed us to stay on its health care plan with me paying the full premium (which I'd been doing the whole time I was a partner anyway). And I eventually rolled over my 401k to an IRA and agreed to allow Schwab to manage it and diversify it away from just the S&P 500, where I'd always kept my entirement retirement portfolio literally from the get go. In the 11+ years since I retired our net worth has more than doubled to what today is about $9.2 million. $7.2 million of that is in liquid accounts (retirement and brokerage and money market); the remaining $2 million is equity in our primary and second homes. During all this time we have lived very well while budgeting about $250k a year. Because of our diversified portfolio, most years we have been able to structure things so we ended up paying little to no federal income tax (last year's total was under $200). This hasn't always been the case. A couple years ago, for example, we stepped in without a whole lot of notice to fund a kid's down payment on a house, which required us sell some things and raise our taxable income. On the bright side, though, we learned a few things that we really hadn't focused on before and it's benefiting us now for future planning. Specifically, there are various caps on taxable income where once crossed you loose significant tax breaks that taken together can really add up. To name a few, the senior citizen 50 percent discount on your DC property taxes; the $12,000 Trump addition to your standard deduction, and the lowest tier of monthly Medicare premiums. Knowing all this now made us realize that it's not smart to make Roth conversions in a vaccum while only paying attention to your tax rate. The math is far more complicated due to all the moving parts and frankly is pretty confusing. Anyway, having said all this, the real point is that you definitely do not need $10 million or more to retire comfortably. We still don't have that and we've been more than fine for many years. You have to take into account not only how much you have but what your fixed costs are. If you don't have kids to put through college; if you don't have a heavy mortgage around your neck; and if you have access to some kind of reasonably priced health insurance you're three quarters of the way there already. (In our case, we still have a mortgage on our primary residence but the interest rate was set at 1.7 percent for the first seven years and we have a couple years left on it so we haven't touched it. We realize we're in an unusual situation on that score.) We elected to take social security a few years early and still have basement rent coming in. With those income streams to supplement our withdraw rate from our retirement and brokerage accounts has been lower than 2.5 percent, which any financial advisor will tell you is extremely conservative and ultimately can only lead to the balance going up. Many on DCUM will insist, of course, that $250k a year isn't enough. Personally, I disagree. We are comfortably maintaining two very nice homes, with cleaners and yard workers for both; we travel abroad frequently; help out the kids extensively, eat well and often out; etc. We really don't want for anything--we're not big on high end indulgences and never have been--and of course we've been conservative enough that if we ever did want or need something grand we could swing it. Which brings me to my final point: long term care insurance. We elected not to buy a policy after being advised they're often not cost-effective and in our case we could comfortably self-fund long term care anyway if it came to that. The bottom line is that everyone's situation is different, but personally I'd say that if your fixed costs are low (translation: your kids are launched and your mortgage isn't crazy) and you have a few million saved there's no reason why you can't retire if you really want to. You don't need $10 million for Pete's sake. Not even close. |
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It all depends on how much you spend!! I chuckle when people ask this question with no context. We spend over $300K a year. Our investments are around $15K a year. We had an analysis done recently that showed at that rate, we would leave a good fortune to our heirs. If we wanted to completely spend down our money, we would need to spend about a half million a year every year. |
Anonymous
Depends on the lifestyle you want to live. |
Anonymous
Do you have the socialist health insurance from Congress or the military or federal government that is not available to the regular people? If so, you might be good with 5.5. |