Cuts for Making HS Team

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Anonymous wrote:Have a swimmer on a HS team and she is saying that no one makes it who doesn't have at least a 1:10 in 100 free (women's). Not sure how accurate that is.

For my kid's school it's 1:02. And yes, there will be cuts to get down to 30 girls, and yes some kids who swim club will be cut.

1:02? Is this a local school - that seems very fast.

Good 10 and 11 year olds are swimming that fast so it doesn't seem like an unreasonable cut for high schoolers to me.

Ha. 1:02 is a fast cut for high school girls. It’s faster than BB for 15-16 year old girls.

I have boys who swim club as well as high school. 1:02 is very fast for a 10 year old. I bet there are fewer than 2-300 10 year olds in the country who are swimming 1:02 or faster.

BB time isn’t fast. If you have a BB time as a 15 year-old girl, you aren’t cracking an A meet on our mid-tier summer league team.

A BB time doesn’t light the world on fire, but then again, neither do most high school swimmers. Swim is one of the few high school sports where kids who have not trained since elementary can join the team and even contribute points. My kids swim both club and high school and well over 50% of their boys’ team cannot swim a 1:02 100 free. The fastest kid swims a 46 flat, and there are enough kids in the 47-48 sec range so that the entire team succeeds and were able to win a state title.

Flexing that your “mid-tier summer league team” is way faster than a 1:02 is just sad, and I don’t have to explain why. A BB time represents the top 15% of swimmers who participate in USA swimming, which means that it likely represents a smaller percentage of high school swimmers, many of whom do not swim year round. A team that cuts at 1:02 is very selective.

Does va high school swimming keep track of top times during the season? Or someone can check swim cloud. I would be very surprised if every single female swimmer on Chantilly or the other school mentioned are faster than 1:02.

As another person said, BB times is not top 15%, but top 35%.

And if you actually frickin read, you’ll see it’s not a flex at all. It’s an indicator that in ALL of the mid divisions, a BB time is bottom half of A meet swimmers- aka not that good.

DP - you are entirely missing the point, which is that it's not your place as an adult to tell the world that a bunch of kids *you don't even know* are "not that good" at swimming.

Seriously. Do you have nothing better to do than nitpick about children's swimming prowess? These are KIDS. You are expending time and energy criticizing someone else's children. And don't bother with trying to rationalize this crap. These kinds of posts are messed up and you damn well know it.

Who is criticizing kids? I’m letting the parents know that 1:02 is very pedestrian.

My DS (15) swims 1:02 and barely made his high school team. But guess what? He knows he’s not super competitive. He’s swimming because he enjoys it. He’s swimming because it is great fitness. He’s swimming because many of his friends are also on Swim Team. He knows he won’t be swimming in college.
Call it pedestrian, whatever.

If you barely make your HS team, aren’t competitive, and are doing it for fitness, that fits nicely into the definition of pedestrian. And that is ok!

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If you do not make the team then take a gap year

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Anonymous wrote:This is totally insane. High school swimming is a waste of time. No one cares. No one. Club swimming is the king.

Metro is one of the fastest meets in the entire East Coast and it is insanely intense and fun. Elite club swimmers, coaches, college coaches all care about this meet.

Is it just states for people that don’t have states? Genuinely asking, not throwing shade.

Not really. Both Maryland and Virginia have their own State Championships after Metro but only compete among the public schools. Metro is all the public and private schools in DC and Maryland area. No Virginia schools compete in Metro.

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Anonymous wrote:If you do not make the team then take a gap year

Please don't confuse this with a reclass.

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Anonymous wrote:Have a swimmer on a HS team and she is saying that no one makes it who doesn't have at least a 1:10 in 100 free (women's). Not sure how accurate that is.

For my kid's school it's 1:02. And yes, there will be cuts to get down to 30 girls, and yes some kids who swim club will be cut.

1:02? Is this a local school - that seems very fast.

Good 10 and 11 year olds are swimming that fast so it doesn't seem like an unreasonable cut for high schoolers to me.

Ha. 1:02 is a fast cut for high school girls. It’s faster than BB for 15-16 year old girls.

I have boys who swim club as well as high school. 1:02 is very fast for a 10 year old. I bet there are fewer than 2-300 10 year olds in the country who are swimming 1:02 or faster.

BB time isn’t fast. If you have a BB time as a 15 year-old girl, you aren’t cracking an A meet on our mid-tier summer league team.

A BB time doesn’t light the world on fire, but then again, neither do most high school swimmers. Swim is one of the few high school sports where kids who have not trained since elementary can join the team and even contribute points. My kids swim both club and high school and well over 50% of their boys’ team cannot swim a 1:02 100 free. The fastest kid swims a 46 flat, and there are enough kids in the 47-48 sec range so that the entire team succeeds and were able to win a state title.

Flexing that your “mid-tier summer league team” is way faster than a 1:02 is just sad, and I don’t have to explain why. A BB time represents the top 15% of swimmers who participate in USA swimming, which means that it likely represents a smaller percentage of high school swimmers, many of whom do not swim year round. A team that cuts at 1:02 is very selective.

Does va high school swimming keep track of top times during the season? Or someone can check swim cloud. I would be very surprised if every single female swimmer on Chantilly or the other school mentioned are faster than 1:02.

As another person said, BB times is not top 15%, but top 35%.

And if you actually frickin read, you’ll see it’s not a flex at all. It’s an indicator that in ALL of the mid divisions, a BB time is bottom half of A meet swimmers- aka not that good.

DP - you are entirely missing the point, which is that it's not your place as an adult to tell the world that a bunch of kids *you don't even know* are "not that good" at swimming.

Seriously. Do you have nothing better to do than nitpick about children's swimming prowess? These are KIDS. You are expending time and energy criticizing someone else's children. And don't bother with trying to rationalize this crap. These kinds of posts are messed up and you damn well know it.

Who is criticizing kids? I’m letting the parents know that 1:02 is very pedestrian.

My DS (15) swims 1:02 and barely made his high school team. But guess what? He knows he’s not super competitive. He’s swimming because he enjoys it. He’s swimming because it is great fitness. He’s swimming because many of his friends are also on Swim Team. He knows he won’t be swimming in college.
Call it pedestrian, whatever.

If you barely make your HS team, aren’t competitive, and are doing it for fitness, that fits nicely into the definition of pedestrian. And that is ok!

Actually, pedestrian is “lacking inspiration or excitement; dull”
Someone who is inspired to be on the swim team even though they are not the fastest is not “lacking inspiration”. Someone who cherishes team camaraderie and friendship is not “dull”.

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Anonymous wrote:This is totally insane. High school swimming is a waste of time. No one cares. No one. Club swimming is the king.

Metro is one of the fastest meets in the entire East Coast and it is insanely intense and fun. Elite club swimmers, coaches, college coaches all care about this meet.

Is it just states for people that don’t have states? Genuinely asking, not throwing shade.

It’s also the one local meet where club kids from all the clubs get to swim each other (however excluding most the NoVa PVS kids).

It’s so fast and so fun, but it’s mostly PVS kids racing each other and scoring points for their school. It is a social party on deck, and kids really want to swim fast and see their friends swim fast.

There’s good team spirit/competition in the handful of top teams.

The MoCo public kids who go on to States care much less about States, even though it’s pretty cool to be a state champion or team contender. But even that is split into two meets, so metros is the one meet everyone is together.

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Anonymous wrote:This is totally insane. High school swimming is a waste of time. No one cares. No one. Club swimming is the king.

Metro is one of the fastest meets in the entire East Coast and it is insanely intense and fun. Elite club swimmers, coaches, college coaches all care about this meet.

Metros. With the "s". Not "Metro" - nobody who is anybody knows what you are talking about saying "Metro"...

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Anonymous wrote:This is totally insane. High school swimming is a waste of time. No one cares. No one. Club swimming is the king.

Metro is one of the fastest meets in the entire East Coast and it is insanely intense and fun. Elite club swimmers, coaches, college coaches all care about this meet.

Metros. With the "s". Not "Metro" - nobody who is anybody knows what you are talking about saying "Metro"...

The use of the extra “s” on the Metro Meet and State Championship is so grating. It’s like people who say, “Graduated high school” without using the preposition “from.” There is one Metro meet. There is one State meet. “Metros” and “States” sounds stupid, so thank you to the person who used proper singular/plural.

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The kids at Metros spend all their time on deck talking about re-classing and gap years

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Metros use to be a real meet. A fast meet. It has fallen off the last two years. The real talent of the DMV lies across the bridge.

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Anonymous wrote:Metros use to be a real meet. A fast meet. It has fallen off the last two years. The real talent of the DMV lies across the bridge.

Something is amiss in the pool water of MoCo. Aside from two or three deeply talented swimmers, it seems Narcissus has snuck into town under the dark sky. He has replaced the chlorine with the same water that forced him to fall in love with himself many years ago. Talent has been replaced with mediocrity. Talent has been replaced with 'reels.' Talent is not something the parents of today understand.

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Anonymous wrote:Have a swimmer on a HS team and she is saying that no one makes it who doesn't have at least a 1:10 in 100 free (women's). Not sure how accurate that is.

For my kid's school it's 1:02. And yes, there will be cuts to get down to 30 girls, and yes some kids who swim club will be cut.

1:02? Is this a local school - that seems very fast.

And a really stupid metric for someone who is, say, a breast specialist

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Anonymous wrote:Have a swimmer on a HS team and she is saying that no one makes it who doesn't have at least a 1:10 in 100 free (women's). Not sure how accurate that is.

For my kid's school it's 1:02. And yes, there will be cuts to get down to 30 girls, and yes some kids who swim club will be cut.

1:02? Is this a local school - that seems very fast.

And a really stupid metric for someone who is, say, a breast specialist

I do not know any breast specialists who are not also well under a minute in the 100 free. If they can't hit that, it's an excuse, not a specialty. 55 seconds, sure maybe not reasonable, but a minute two?

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Anonymous wrote:Have a swimmer on a HS team and she is saying that no one makes it who doesn't have at least a 1:10 in 100 free (women's). Not sure how accurate that is.

For my kid's school it's 1:02. And yes, there will be cuts to get down to 30 girls, and yes some kids who swim club will be cut.

1:02? Is this a local school - that seems very fast.

And a really stupid metric for someone who is, say, a breast specialist

I do not know any breast specialists who are not also well under a minute in the 100 free. If they can't hit that, it's an excuse, not a specialty. 55 seconds, sure maybe not reasonable, but a minute two?

I can think of a bunch. We’re talking about 13 and 14-year-old girls.

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Anonymous wrote:Have a swimmer on a HS team and she is saying that no one makes it who doesn't have at least a 1:10 in 100 free (women's). Not sure how accurate that is.

For my kid's school it's 1:02. And yes, there will be cuts to get down to 30 girls, and yes some kids who swim club will be cut.

1:02? Is this a local school - that seems very fast.

And a really stupid metric for someone who is, say, a breast specialist

I do not know any breast specialists who are not also well under a minute in the 100 free. If they can't hit that, it's an excuse, not a specialty. 55 seconds, sure maybe not reasonable, but a minute two?

I can think of a bunch. We’re talking about 13 and 14-year-old girls.

Actually, we're talking about 14 to 18 year old girls. And as a specific example, all the winter classic B finalists in open 100 breast and the 14 year olds in 13-14 tonight have a 100 free under a minute. All the "specialists" should be making the B final.