Please stop spreading Americans youth are dumb propaganda!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The best and brightest in the US still outshine the best and brightest elsewhere but for how long? Equity is driving average scores down a limiting opportunity for the best and brightest to reach their full potential. Sorry if that is an inconvenient truth.

How do you reach that conclusion?

US won the most recent International Mathematical Olympiad...but it's lots of children of immigrants.

https://maa.org/news/usa-first-at-imo/

That was last year. US barely made 2nd this year (Korea was a pretty close 3rd and China was a clear winner). There are about 15-20 kids in the US who can make the IMO team (the Team Selection Test group at the Math Olympiad Summer program). China TST has a much larger cohort and most of them could easily take the place of the US team members. The last non-immigrant US team member was Luke Robitaiile and that was a while ago now.

US scored squarely in between US and Korea

https://www.imo-official.org/year_country_r.aspx?year=2025

China also has 4x the population of the US

Jordan Lefkowitz?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The best and brightest in the US still outshine the best and brightest elsewhere but for how long? Equity is driving average scores down a limiting opportunity for the best and brightest to reach their full potential. Sorry if that is an inconvenient truth.

How do you reach that conclusion?

US won the most recent International Mathematical Olympiad...but it's lots of children of immigrants.

https://maa.org/news/usa-first-at-imo/

That was last year. US barely made 2nd this year (Korea was a pretty close 3rd and China was a clear winner). There are about 15-20 kids in the US who can make the IMO team (the Team Selection Test group at the Math Olympiad Summer program). China TST has a much larger cohort and most of them could easily take the place of the US team members. The last non-immigrant US team member was Luke Robitaiile and that was a while ago now.

US scored squarely in between US and Korea

https://www.imo-official.org/year_country_r.aspx?year=2025

China also has 4x the population of the US

Jordan Lefkowitz?

Oops -- Jordan Lefkowitz erasure!! He's a good friend of my kid. Was rather broken up about the silver. You mean China and Korea.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The National Assessment of Educational Progress ("The Nation's Report Card") found that nearly half of high school seniors are testing below a basic level in both subjects, with reading scores hitting a historic low since testing began in 1992.

OP doesn't like facts. Feelings are not facts. She hated to know her kids are not as bright as she thought they were. The truth hurts her.

When the person start attacking others, you know they've used up their argument and ration.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:White and black students are about the same as they have always been. The huge gap is between Asian and Latino kids. The US attracts highly educated, high .iQ Asians that pursue professional STEM fields and push their kids to compete academically. The US attracts uneducated, low IQ but hardworking Latino immigrants who pursue minimum wage or at best blue collar jobs and don’t put much into education. In another two generations, the Asians will probably come down in achievement and the Latinos come up in achievement but right now the gap is insurmountable.

The reality is that the US needs both types of immigrants. Daycare workers, construction crews and restaurant staff are needed as well as scientists , engineers and doctors.

Wow, such a racist and elitist outlook you have.

No it’s not racist at all. There are plenty of uneducated, low IQ people in India and China but they aren’t immigrating to the US. There are educated, high IQ people in Latin America but they aren’t immigrating to the US. It’s a factor of which subsets of those populations have the desire and pathway to immigrate to the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The best and brightest in the US still outshine the best and brightest elsewhere but for how long? Equity is driving average scores down a limiting opportunity for the best and brightest to reach their full potential. Sorry if that is an inconvenient truth.

How do you reach that conclusion?

US won the most recent International Mathematical Olympiad...but it's lots of children of immigrants.

https://maa.org/news/usa-first-at-imo/

Exactly. In my personal experience I’ve witnessed:

U.S. spelling bee winners? Indian-American youth.

State and national science Olympiad here in Fairfax County? Indian-American youth

“ Lego Robotics here? Indian Americans and Chinese Americans.

TJ - (ranked #5, #1, or #8 in USA): 81% BIPOCS (primarily Asian/Indian) and 19% white.

The issue here is NOT race. The issue is: culture. The kids who succeed have parents with two overarching qualities which other parents lack:

- a culture which values (truly values) educational achievement, and
- high expectations.

Viewed as a whole, American society is failing to emphasize, value, and promote academic excellence. Quite the opposite in fact. America is chasing the fools errand of equity of outcome and attempting to close the racial achievement gap “from the top down.”

We, as a society, had best turn these trends around or we will surely suffer severe consequences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:White and black students are about the same as they have always been. The huge gap is between Asian and Latino kids. The US attracts highly educated, high .iQ Asians that pursue professional STEM fields and push their kids to compete academically. The US attracts uneducated, low IQ but hardworking Latino immigrants who pursue minimum wage or at best blue collar jobs and don’t put much into education. In another two generations, the Asians will probably come down in achievement and the Latinos come up in achievement but right now the gap is insurmountable.

The reality is that the US needs both types of immigrants. Daycare workers, construction crews and restaurant staff are needed as well as scientists , engineers and doctors.

Wow, such a racist and elitist outlook you have.

No it’s not racist at all. There are plenty of uneducated, low IQ people in India and China but they aren’t immigrating to the US. There are educated, high IQ people in Latin America but they aren’t immigrating to the US. It’s a factor of which subsets of those populations have the desire and pathway to immigrate to the US.

People who deny their own racism are often the most racist of all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not all American youth are uneducated or incapable. Recent posts and social media narratives paint a this picture — suggesting that America’s future is doomed and that only immigrants can fill skilled jobs. This is simply not true.

Despite the shortcomings of the K–12 education system, many intelligent, hardworking, and talented young Americans continue to excel across a wide range of fields — including the children of immigrants.

Please stop spreading the false narrative that Americans are “dumb.” The challenges posed by technology (games or social media obsessions) and modern society exist everywhere, not just in the United States.

If people live in states below 20th ranked Montana you should expect poor outcomes.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/public-school-rankings-by-state

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The issue here is NOT race. The issue is: culture. The kids who succeed have parents with two overarching qualities which other parents lack:

- a culture which values (truly values) educational achievement, and
- high expectations.

I’ve witnessed the culture. It’s mental abuse designed to whip children into emotionally stunted robots with incredible memorization skills.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:White and black students are about the same as they have always been. The huge gap is between Asian and Latino kids. The US attracts highly educated, high .iQ Asians that pursue professional STEM fields and push their kids to compete academically. The US attracts uneducated, low IQ but hardworking Latino immigrants who pursue minimum wage or at best blue collar jobs and don’t put much into education. In another two generations, the Asians will probably come down in achievement and the Latinos come up in achievement but right now the gap is insurmountable.

The reality is that the US needs both types of immigrants. Daycare workers, construction crews and restaurant staff are needed as well as scientists , engineers and doctors.

Wow, such a racist and elitist outlook you have.

No it’s not racist at all. There are plenty of uneducated, low IQ people in India and China but they aren’t immigrating to the US. There are educated, high IQ people in Latin America but they aren’t immigrating to the US. It’s a factor of which subsets of those populations have the desire and pathway to immigrate to the US.

People who deny their own racism are often the most racist of all.

Take your DEIA garbage and shove it. Know what’s racist? DEI. DEI is racist and I am glad this vile racism is exposed as the hateful ideology it truly is.

Fact is: the real conversation is all about culture and not about race.

A culture (of ANY race) which values education will prevail, prosper, and succeed over a culture which does not value education. Too few Americans highly value education in 2025.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The best and brightest in the US still outshine the best and brightest elsewhere but for how long? Equity is driving average scores down a limiting opportunity for the best and brightest to reach their full potential. Sorry if that is an inconvenient truth.

How do you reach that conclusion?

US won the most recent International Mathematical Olympiad...but it's lots of children of immigrants.

https://maa.org/news/usa-first-at-imo/

That was last year. US barely made 2nd this year (Korea was a pretty close 3rd and China was a clear winner). There are about 15-20 kids in the US who can make the IMO team (the Team Selection Test group at the Math Olympiad Summer program). China TST has a much larger cohort and most of them could easily take the place of the US team members. The last non-immigrant US team member was Luke Robitaiile and that was a while ago now.

It’s been basically Chinese Americans vs Chinese Chinese in any STEM field competitions, and AI competition as well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not all American youth are uneducated or incapable. Recent posts and social media narratives paint a this picture — suggesting that America’s future is doomed and that only immigrants can fill skilled jobs. This is simply not true.

Despite the shortcomings of the K–12 education system, many intelligent, hardworking, and talented young Americans continue to excel across a wide range of fields — including the children of immigrants.

Please stop spreading the false narrative that Americans are “dumb.” The challenges posed by technology (games or social media obsessions) and modern society exist everywhere, not just in the United States.

If people live in states below 20th ranked Montana you should expect poor outcomes.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/public-school-rankings-by-state

No matter how good the schools are, if you rank the 51 states, most of them will always rank below 20.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The issue here is NOT race. The issue is: culture. The kids who succeed have parents with two overarching qualities which other parents lack:

- a culture which values (truly values) educational achievement, and
- high expectations.

I’ve witnessed the culture. It’s mental abuse designed to whip children into emotionally stunted robots with incredible memorization skills.

That’s a laughable stereotype and really shows how much coping you’ve been going through. Keep believing you’re losing just because you didn’t try hard enough 🤣

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:White and black students are about the same as they have always been. The huge gap is between Asian and Latino kids. The US attracts highly educated, high .iQ Asians that pursue professional STEM fields and push their kids to compete academically. The US attracts uneducated, low IQ but hardworking Latino immigrants who pursue minimum wage or at best blue collar jobs and don’t put much into education. In another two generations, the Asians will probably come down in achievement and the Latinos come up in achievement but right now the gap is insurmountable.

The reality is that the US needs both types of immigrants. Daycare workers, construction crews and restaurant staff are needed as well as scientists , engineers and doctors.

The successful Asian immigrants typically come from high income families and obtained the best education. India’s caste system prevents the best and brightest to even get a decent education so we get people from the top caste who may or may not be the brightest. Latin Americans are trying to find normal lives without drug cartels and dictators. The Latinos that come here are not Low IQ, that’s a really stupid statement. Sounds like Trump. But it’s understandable why Latin Americans want to leave poverty and unsafe gangs and this is the closest place to do that.

Before Trump started to destroy DACA the young people in the program were thriving. They had to be a high school graduate and then either have a job or be in college or training program. The had to have a clean record. A big chunk of American born kids wouldn’t make it. They were on their way up but now some young adults in the program have to worry every day that they will have to leave the country they have lived in since they were five years old.

I have a doctor from Ukraine and a doctor from Argentina. I dread getting a doctor from China, which I have gotten in specialties and ER visits, because they never quite figure out how to speak the English language and I hate asking people to repeat themselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not all American youth are uneducated or incapable. Recent posts and social media narratives paint a this picture — suggesting that America’s future is doomed and that only immigrants can fill skilled jobs. This is simply not true.

Despite the shortcomings of the K–12 education system, many intelligent, hardworking, and talented young Americans continue to excel across a wide range of fields — including the children of immigrants.

Please stop spreading the false narrative that Americans are “dumb.” The challenges posed by technology (games or social media obsessions) and modern society exist everywhere, not just in the United States.

If people live in states below 20th ranked Montana you should expect poor outcomes.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/public-school-rankings-by-state

No matter how good the schools are, if you rank the 51 states, most of them will always rank below 20.

D.C. is not a state, nor should it ever be. But were D.C. a state today, in 2025, it would rank dead-last (by a wide margin) on SAT scores.

At least try to be ready for prime-time before trying to make an argument for statehood; D.C. is not even trying to offer an adequate public education to its youth, which is why families (like the Obamas) send their children to Maryland for a private school education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not all American youth are uneducated or incapable. Recent posts and social media narratives paint a this picture — suggesting that America’s future is doomed and that only immigrants can fill skilled jobs. This is simply not true.

Despite the shortcomings of the K–12 education system, many intelligent, hardworking, and talented young Americans continue to excel across a wide range of fields — including the children of immigrants.

Please stop spreading the false narrative that Americans are “dumb.” The challenges posed by technology (games or social media obsessions) and modern society exist everywhere, not just in the United States.

If people live in states below 20th ranked Montana you should expect poor outcomes.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/public-school-rankings-by-state

No matter how good the schools are, if you rank the 51 states, most of them will always rank below 20.

D.C. is not a state, nor should it ever be. But were D.C. a state today, in 2025, it would rank dead-last (by a wide margin) on SAT scores.

At least try to be ready for prime-time before trying to make an argument for statehood; D.C. is not even trying to offer an adequate public education to its youth, which is why families (like the Obamas) send their children to Maryland for a private school education.

I’m not trying to make an argument for statehood, just pointing out that the linked ranking system ranks the public schools in 51 geographical-governmental units. Even if DC had the best schools on earth, 31 out of those 51 units would still be ranked below number 20. If you are waiting for 51/51 units to be ranked in the top 20, you’re going to be waiting for a very long time.