Montgomery County - What Happened?

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I don’t wish to accept that. I think the county’s leaders have made a big mistake by spending nearly all of their economic development money on handouts for landlords. If they had spent that money on attracting businesses they wouldn’t have to subsidize market rate apartment builders and would have more money to spend on subsidized housing for people who need it.

I love how your answer to MoCo’s lack of business growth is spend money and subsidize the poor. This is why MoCo is declining — because the majority voters want higher taxes, and more spending.

Forgot increased crime. High end stores near the Rio Gaithersburg are robbed on a regular basis.

Except historically crime is that it’s lowest.

Yes, I know. These people come in, calmly take what they want and leave. No more smash and grab required.
They know they'll get away with it and the stores don't report it. It's ridiculous.

Nope.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s controversial for Moco folks for a few reasons:

1 Unwillingness to believe it was their political choice that caused the problem. They’ve been voting against business and for immigration for 4 decades and thought it was the right thing and didn’t think about the consequences.

2. Most people in the nice parts of Moco (lots of DCUM) could care less about the decline of the county or don’t even see it and have blinders on. They are keeping up just fine, and only get annoyed around school boundary debates.

3. Disdain for their nouveau riche NOVA neighbors distinct lack of taste. And here’s where I agree with them — all of the business development resulted in a gilded tacky dystopia that will age horribly. With that in mind, it’s hard to believe NOVA is ahead.

I think you nailed it. MoCo posters — look, just accept the W that the nicer suburban parts of MoCo are leafier and nicer and more established feeling than McLean etc. That’s a W — however your county has dropped significantly in economic standing while theirs has increased.

I don’t wish to accept that. I think the county’s leaders have made a big mistake by spending nearly all of their economic development money on handouts for landlords. If they had spent that money on attracting businesses they wouldn’t have to subsidize market rate apartment builders and would have more money to spend on subsidized housing for people who need it.

I love how your answer to MoCo’s lack of business growth is spend money and subsidize the poor. This is why MoCo is declining — because the majority voters want higher taxes, and more spending.

Forgot increased crime. High stores near the Rio Gaithersburg are robbed on a regular basis.

Except historically crime is that it’s lowest.

It's low compared to other jurisdictions. But it isn't at its lowest yet. And there are some areas where it's really bad. Those residents deserve safety too.

That’s what social services does it lower crime. That’s how Baltimore is lowering their crime, social services..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I don’t wish to accept that. I think the county’s leaders have made a big mistake by spending nearly all of their economic development money on handouts for landlords. If they had spent that money on attracting businesses they wouldn’t have to subsidize market rate apartment builders and would have more money to spend on subsidized housing for people who need it.

I love how your answer to MoCo’s lack of business growth is spend money and subsidize the poor. This is why MoCo is declining — because the majority voters want higher taxes, and more spending.

Forgot increased crime. High end stores near the Rio Gaithersburg are robbed on a regular basis.

Except historically crime is that it’s lowest.

Yes, I know. These people come in, calmly take what they want and leave. No more smash and grab required.
They know they'll get away with it and the stores don't report it. It's ridiculous.

Nope.

Nope? Yes, it absolutely does happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I don’t wish to accept that. I think the county’s leaders have made a big mistake by spending nearly all of their economic development money on handouts for landlords. If they had spent that money on attracting businesses they wouldn’t have to subsidize market rate apartment builders and would have more money to spend on subsidized housing for people who need it.

I love how your answer to MoCo’s lack of business growth is spend money and subsidize the poor. This is why MoCo is declining — because the majority voters want higher taxes, and more spending.

Forgot increased crime. High end stores near the Rio Gaithersburg are robbed on a regular basis.

Except historically crime is that it’s lowest.

Yes, I know. These people come in, calmly take what they want and leave. No more smash and grab required.
They know they'll get away with it and the stores don't report it. It's ridiculous.

Nope.

“Nope”?

You’re suggesting this doesn’t happen? The videos we’ve seen of them doing this at convenience stores or Target or other places that show exactly this - those aren’t real? It’s fake?


Is that what you’re saying?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I don’t wish to accept that. I think the county’s leaders have made a big mistake by spending nearly all of their economic development money on handouts for landlords. If they had spent that money on attracting businesses they wouldn’t have to subsidize market rate apartment builders and would have more money to spend on subsidized housing for people who need it.

I love how your answer to MoCo’s lack of business growth is spend money and subsidize the poor. This is why MoCo is declining — because the majority voters want higher taxes, and more spending.

Forgot increased crime. High end stores near the Rio Gaithersburg are robbed on a regular basis.

Except historically crime is that it’s lowest.

Yes, I know. These people come in, calmly take what they want and leave. No more smash and grab required.
They know they'll get away with it and the stores don't report it. It's ridiculous.

Nope.

“Nope”?

You’re suggesting this doesn’t happen? The videos we’ve seen of them doing this at convenience stores or Target or other places that show exactly this - those aren’t real? It’s fake?


Is that what you’re saying?

They only happen in MoCo?

[Anonymous]

No, but there seems to be a near weekly raid of some high end stores in areas of Moco.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No, but there seems to be a near weekly raid of some high end stores in areas of Moco.

Where??

[Anonymous]

Millennials have a stronger interest in city living, so more of the cohort that would have gone for the denser, older suburbia of MoCo has stayed in DC. People who really want new build SFHs on larger lots have still gone for NoVa.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Millennials have a stronger interest in city living, so more of the cohort that would have gone for the denser, older suburbia of MoCo has stayed in DC. People who really want new build SFHs on larger lots have still gone for NoVa.

Of course they went to VA. I wish I had. My taxes would be lower.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Millennials have a stronger interest in city living, so more of the cohort that would have gone for the denser, older suburbia of MoCo has stayed in DC. People who really want new build SFHs on larger lots have still gone for NoVa.

Of course they went to VA. I wish I had. My taxes would be lower.

Me too, but not for the sake of taxes. Back in 2010 MoCo seemed kind of interested in being a successful and wealthy suburb.

[Anonymous]

anonymous wrote: Judging from the amount of southbound traffic on the American Legion Bridge in the morning rush hours and on weekends before Christmas I’d say that you’ve got this completely backwards.

If that bridge was out of operation for a month Maryland would go bankrupt and their residents would storm the County Council. The only people in Virginia who’d be upset would be kayakers.

In the 1980s, the primary US East Coast Internet Exchange was in MoCo. MoCo literally was the east coast nexus, not VA. West Coast nexus was in Mt View.

When a commercial IX opened, MAE-East, it was in the basement of an office building in Tysons, in large part because business operating costs were lower and building permit delays were much shorter in Tysons than in MoCo.

The Internet boom happened between Tysons and eastern Loudoun along the current Silver Line for the same reasons. Simpler and lower cost to operate a business there than in MoCO. Easier and faster to get construction permits from Fairfax County and Loudoun County than MoCo.

It is a choice folks. MoCo keeps choosing elected officials and government policies in a way that incents businesses to pick VA. Hilton Hotels looked at MoCo, but chose Tysons for their new HQ.

Hogan wanted to rebuild the AL bridge and add HOT lanes between bridge and 270 spur to help MD residents who are commuters. Current MD leadership opposes that.

The outcome is the result of many choices. If one wants a different outcome, then choose differently in future.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s controversial for Moco folks for a few reasons:

1 Unwillingness to believe it was their political choice that caused the problem. They’ve been voting against business and for immigration for 4 decades and thought it was the right thing and didn’t think about the consequences.

2. Most people in the nice parts of Moco (lots of DCUM) could care less about the decline of the county or don’t even see it and have blinders on. They are keeping up just fine, and only get annoyed around school boundary debates.

3. Disdain for their nouveau riche NOVA neighbors distinct lack of taste. And here’s where I agree with them — all of the business development resulted in a gilded tacky dystopia that will age horribly. With that in mind, it’s hard to believe NOVA is ahead.

I think you nailed it. MoCo posters — look, just accept the W that the nicer suburban parts of MoCo are leafier and nicer and more established feeling than McLean etc. That’s a W — however your county has dropped significantly in economic standing while theirs has increased.

I don’t wish to accept that. I think the county’s leaders have made a big mistake by spending nearly all of their economic development money on handouts for landlords. If they had spent that money on attracting businesses they wouldn’t have to subsidize market rate apartment builders and would have more money to spend on subsidized housing for people who need it.

I love how your answer to MoCo’s lack of business growth is spend money and subsidize the poor. This is why MoCo is declining — because the majority voters want higher taxes, and more spending.

Forgot increased crime. High stores near the Rio Gaithersburg are robbed on a regular basis.

Except historically crime is that it’s lowest.

It's low compared to other jurisdictions. But it isn't at its lowest yet. And there are some areas where it's really bad. Those residents deserve safety too.

That’s what social services does it lower crime. That’s how Baltimore is lowering their crime, social services..

They are using evidence-based violence prevention initiatives which combine intervention among gun violence victims and perpetrators. Because these populations overlap. It requires evidence based policing and social services. Areas with high violence need both.

[Anonymous]

Make Montgomery Maryland Great Again

[Anonymous]

I guess people on this board don't care about health care and life sciences jobs?

https://governor.maryland.gov/news/press/pages/Governor-Moore-and-AstraZeneca-Announce-$2-Billion-Investment-to-Expand-Manufacturing-in-Maryland,-Supporting-2,600-Jobs.aspx

Meanwhile, Amazon is laying off people constantly and hasn't followed through on its promises to Arlington.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I guess people on this board don't care about health care and life sciences jobs?

https://governor.maryland.gov/news/press/pages/Governor-Moore-and-AstraZeneca-Announce-$2-Billion-Investment-to-Expand-Manufacturing-in-Maryland,-Supporting-2,600-Jobs.aspx

Meanwhile, Amazon is laying off people constantly and hasn't followed through on its promises to Arlington.

Well Elrich didn't care about Amazon jobs, just Amazon paying taxes. Like he has sold his environmental soul to a data center up in Dickerson, so he can get the tax revenues.