Elite presidents in battle over admin

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m going to steer my high schooler to apply to schools with integrity and backbone. I’m ready to full pay and will certainly not turn my hard-earned money over to cowards and bootlickers.

Bet that kid is happy to get away from you.

DP

Meh, Plenty of posters have said similar things about steering their kids away from the overly woke and antisemitic colleges.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I applaud Vandy and WashU. For too long, too many liberal institutions have suppressed the voices of those who don't agree with their views. Princeton may be all in all DEI but they do not have ideological diversity.

Why can't you just find a good fit for yourself? Go to wash u. Go to vandy. Why do you have to beat on some institution that has a different perspective than your own? You're allowed to be conservative. Other people are allowed to be progressive. It's okay.

DP Right, because liberals have never done that.
They've never beat on others for having different beliefs and values.

They do it because the yield in liberal tears is so high for the small amount of effort it takes to destroy these bastions of wokeness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm Jewish and I know a bunch of Jews who opted out of applying to Ivies (including some major legacies) and instead are at WashU, Vandy, etc.

Most of these families are over-reacting to the claims of anti-semitism at Ivies and are kind of Trumpy. I think there was some anti-semitism at these schools, but I think Trump has dramatically over-reacted and is using this to act like a tough guy, not because he cares about anti-semitism. But like most MAGA people, these families have had a deep drink of the Kool-Aid.

I'm not sure if I want my kid surrounded by these types. I'm also not thrilled with Columbia and Penn. So I'm not sure what the right answer is. I want a school that is in it for the long term.

MIT. This is the way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I applaud Vandy and WashU. For too long, too many liberal institutions have suppressed the voices of those who don't agree with their views. Princeton may be all in all DEI but they do not have ideological diversity.

Why can't you just find a good fit for yourself? Go to wash u. Go to vandy. Why do you have to beat on some institution that has a different perspective than your own? You're allowed to be conservative. Other people are allowed to be progressive. It's okay.

DP Right, because liberals have never done that.
They've never beat on others for having different beliefs and values.

They do it because the yield in liberal tears is so high for the small amount of effort it takes to destroy these bastions of wokeness.

Well you aren’t liberal, so point still stands?

[Anonymous]

Look how the Trump administration is now using the “agreements” they extracted from these universities for their propaganda campaign. Dept of Education post from today.

https://www.facebook.com/share/1ABn5D96Uv/?mibextid=wwXIfr

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I applaud Vandy and WashU. For too long, too many liberal institutions have suppressed the voices of those who don't agree with their views. Princeton may be all in all DEI but they do not have ideological diversity.

Why can't you just find a good fit for yourself? Go to wash u. Go to vandy. Why do you have to beat on some institution that has a different perspective than your own? You're allowed to be conservative. Other people are allowed to be progressive. It's okay.

I'm not sure you're "allowed" to be openly conservative at many of these institutions, including Princeton.

Then go to Liberty U. Snowflake.

You sound unhinged

She's just pissed off that accountability has come knocking on the doors of academia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well done WashU and Vandy! This is not about Trump. This is about common sense.

I didn't used to have TDS but I gotta say the TDS kids are starting to make a lot of sense. Not on this issue but on posse comitatus, due process, anti-impoundment act, profiling, flirting with a 3rd term, tariffs, chaotic foreign policy, chaotic domestic policy.

If he got rid of daylight savings time, and started running a surplus in the budget, that might salvage this dumpster fire of an administration.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I applaud Vandy and WashU. For too long, too many liberal institutions have suppressed the voices of those who don't agree with their views. Princeton may be all in all DEI but they do not have ideological diversity.

Why can't you just find a good fit for yourself? Go to wash u. Go to vandy. Why do you have to beat on some institution that has a different perspective than your own? You're allowed to be conservative. Other people are allowed to be progressive. It's okay.

I'm not sure you're "allowed" to be openly conservative at many of these institutions, including Princeton.

Come on. Stop. You can’t actually be so brain-poisoned as to believe this.

Haha you really don’t have a deep understanding of college experiences recently

Yeah, aside from working at one university, having a child at another, and having a child applying now, you're totally right.

If really true, then you must be living and working in an echo chamber. This is not news

Please grow up. Part of joining the adult world is understanding that not every thought in our head needs to be expressed—and that if we choose to express every thought in our head, we have to deal with the consequence of being responded to, judged, etc. Conservatives seem to think they should be able to say whatever they want without any consequences. And even in a world that bends over backward to protect conservatives’ rights to say whatever they want in the name of “balance” and “open dialogue,” they still whine and complain like babies when challenged.

I (someone on the left) censor myself every day when I interact with my boss and colleagues at my university. I censored myself when I was a student. My college student children censor themselves. This is called living in a society, where provocation and debate have their time and place—part of what you learn in a university setting.

There is a difference between a "right-think" environment and a think before you speak environment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:De-wokeification will be necessary at all research universities because this is the new normal. Complain about those nasty republicans all you want. There is a lot of political mass on the right behind punishing colleges that engage in woke politics. No college can survive going through this every time we have a Republican president and no program administrator is going to want to risk their program blowing up because the school they awarded the contract to is too woke.

Tell WASHU and Vandy to start then. Both those campuses are obnoxiously woke, but their presidents aren't doing anything other than arguing.

Well, this seems like a good first step, doesn't it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm Jewish and I know a bunch of Jews who opted out of applying to Ivies (including some major legacies) and instead are at WashU, Vandy, etc.

Most of these families are over-reacting to the claims of anti-semitism at Ivies and are kind of Trumpy. I think there was some anti-semitism at these schools, but I think Trump has dramatically over-reacted and is using this to act like a tough guy, not because he cares about anti-semitism. But like most MAGA people, these families have had a deep drink of the Kool-Aid.

I'm not sure if I want my kid surrounded by these types. I'm also not thrilled with Columbia and Penn. So I'm not sure what the right answer is. I want a school that is in it for the long term.

MIT. This is the way.

MIT had its issues during the height of things. And it's not really an option for 99.9 of students regardless.

I get the sense that Vanderbilt's point is that a modern university's place is to provide a forum for a wide variety of divergent thought - as along as it's well-argued, humane, and fact-based. I would think that would be the norm everywhere, but here we are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Look how the Trump administration is now using the “agreements” they extracted from these universities for their propaganda campaign. Dept of Education post from today.

https://www.facebook.com/share/1ABn5D96Uv/?mibextid=wwXIfr

Truly indefensible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm Jewish and I know a bunch of Jews who opted out of applying to Ivies (including some major legacies) and instead are at WashU, Vandy, etc.

Most of these families are over-reacting to the claims of anti-semitism at Ivies and are kind of Trumpy. I think there was some anti-semitism at these schools, but I think Trump has dramatically over-reacted and is using this to act like a tough guy, not because he cares about anti-semitism. But like most MAGA people, these families have had a deep drink of the Kool-Aid.

I'm not sure if I want my kid surrounded by these types. I'm also not thrilled with Columbia and Penn. So I'm not sure what the right answer is. I want a school that is in it for the long term.

MIT. This is the way.

MIT had its issues during the height of things. And it's not really an option for 99.9 of students regardless.

I get the sense that Vanderbilt's point is that a modern university's place is to provide a forum for a wide variety of divergent thought - as along as it's well-argued, humane, and fact-based. I would think that would be the norm everywhere, but here we are.

So that eliminates 99% of MAGA talking points.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm Jewish and I know a bunch of Jews who opted out of applying to Ivies (including some major legacies) and instead are at WashU, Vandy, etc.

Most of these families are over-reacting to the claims of anti-semitism at Ivies and are kind of Trumpy. I think there was some anti-semitism at these schools, but I think Trump has dramatically over-reacted and is using this to act like a tough guy, not because he cares about anti-semitism. But like most MAGA people, these families have had a deep drink of the Kool-Aid.

I'm not sure if I want my kid surrounded by these types. I'm also not thrilled with Columbia and Penn. So I'm not sure what the right answer is. I want a school that is in it for the long term.

MIT. This is the way.

MIT had its issues during the height of things. And it's not really an option for 99.9 of students regardless.

I get the sense that Vanderbilt's point is that a modern university's place is to provide a forum for a wide variety of divergent thought - as along as it's well-argued, humane, and fact-based. I would think that would be the norm everywhere, but here we are.

So that eliminates 99% of MAGA talking points.