Michigan announces ED

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Anonymous wrote:All of this talk about “Ivy level” kids as if Ivy admittance for unhooked kids isn’t a total crapshoot. Plenty will take a Michigan ED option if ED offers a clear boost.

Don’t disagree with you, but the ones that have a legit shot won’t settle.

I know very few kids at our private that have Michigan as a first choice, nearly all see it as a nice fallback option.

And this is why it's smart for Michigan to use ED to distinguish between the first-choice and fallback kids.

Except then they will lose out on the higher stat kids. We’ll have to see how they balance it out.

Yes, they will lose out on the kids that are the very, very top that use Michigan as a respectable back up. Ivy caliber kids. But these kids USUALLY do not end up matriculating to Michigan. The next level kids are the ones that will ED to Michigan. These are the top 20% of the class, 34/1500 kids. Hardly low stats kids.

Yes but Michigan gets a lot of these top kids now and will lose them. Disagree that next level kids will ED — the level below that.

Agree to disagree. I think you underestimate the appeal of Ann Arbor, Big10 football, fraternity parties, etc. to a certain demographic. My 1520 sat, top 20% DS already decided he will be EDing to Michigan.

Sorry, did not see top 20%. That is indeed two levels down. Probably a good call to ED, as not being top 10% would be a dealbreaker at more competitive schools — Georgetown comes to mind.

Georgetown is more competitive than U Michigan? For what major? Certainly not for any CS or STEM subject or even Econ...

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you, as did not see it pop up on search or social media. Someone has been posting this for months on here and all, self included, did not believe them. Go figure.

I posted about it when the UMich AO who visited our HS told us and no one here believed me - some were downright mean to me about it, so I'm glad they finally announced it officially.

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Anonymous wrote:Clearly a lot of people here do not know any rabid University of Michigan alums, of which there are many OOS. We have one in our family through marriage and are also good friends with another one. There are kids who grow up wearing the t-shirt and who have flown out of state to attend Michigan football games. They view Michigan as their first choice school and they will be thrilled to apply and get in ED.

Also, there are kids who would love to go to Michigan for CS or Engineering and may be shut-out entirely from top schools due to their choice of major; for them, Michigan may in fact be their preferred choice over MIT and Stanford (extremely difficult admit), and places like CMU, Berkeley and UIUC.

This is the alumni base of a lot of big flagship state schools. We are rabid WI alumni and we proudly wear Badger gear a lot and have flown home for multiple football games. If WI did ED, my rising senior would do it in a heartbeat. I imagine other Big10 schools will be watching how this goes at MI. I don't think that is necessarily a good thing, but I wouldn't be surprised to see more of them do this.

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you, as did not see it pop up on search or social media. Someone has been posting this for months on here and all, self included, did not believe them. Go figure.

I posted about it when the UMich AO who visited our HS told us and no one here believed me - some were downright mean to me about it, so I'm glad they finally announced it officially.

I personally wasn't mean to you, but I did post a rather skeptical post at the time (or did I just think skeptical thoughts aimed in the direction of DMV but not actually post -- can't remember). Anyhow, my apologies for my part (if I did actually post) and sorry for any abuse you suffered from other posters. In such an anonymous forum it's difficult to track individual posters, and I tend to think large numbers of people here are just making up stuff a large amount of the time. Turns out you weren't!

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Do we really believe the new ED is aimed at instate kids? My guess it's for the purpose of getting early commits from OOS kids at the high OOS tuition. I just think it's going to be a harder sell for OOS kids to commit early to a state school at such a high tuition without waiting for other offers. We shall see.

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Anonymous wrote:Do we really believe the new ED is aimed at instate kids? My guess it's for the purpose of getting early commits from OOS kids at the high OOS tuition. I just think it's going to be a harder sell for OOS kids to commit early to a state school at such a high tuition without waiting for other offers. We shall see.

This is my guess too which is why I think it will be kids for with it is a reach and they'll be thrilled to go

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Anonymous wrote:Do we really believe the new ED is aimed at instate kids? My guess it's for the purpose of getting early commits from OOS kids at the high OOS tuition. I just think it's going to be a harder sell for OOS kids to commit early to a state school at such a high tuition without waiting for other offers. We shall see.

This is my guess too which is why I think it will be kids for with it is a reach and they'll be thrilled to go

UVA doesn’t really lower its admission standards for ED (but it’s good for kids on the margin ). I suspect that MI will be similar as they know they can pick up some Ivy caliber kids in EA like UVA does.

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Anonymous wrote:All of this talk about “Ivy level” kids as if Ivy admittance for unhooked kids isn’t a total crapshoot. Plenty will take a Michigan ED option if ED offers a clear boost.

Don’t disagree with you, but the ones that have a legit shot won’t settle.

I know very few kids at our private that have Michigan as a first choice, nearly all see it as a nice fallback option.

And this is why it's smart for Michigan to use ED to distinguish between the first-choice and fallback kids.

Except then they will lose out on the higher stat kids. We’ll have to see how they balance it out.

Yes, they will lose out on the kids that are the very, very top that use Michigan as a respectable back up. Ivy caliber kids. But these kids USUALLY do not end up matriculating to Michigan. The next level kids are the ones that will ED to Michigan. These are the top 20% of the class, 34/1500 kids. Hardly low stats kids.

Yes but Michigan gets a lot of these top kids now and will lose them. Disagree that next level kids will ED — the level below that.

Agree to disagree. I think you underestimate the appeal of Ann Arbor, Big10 football, fraternity parties, etc. to a certain demographic. My 1520 sat, top 20% DS already decided he will be EDing to Michigan.

No offense to your kid but these stats extremely unlikely for admission to Michigan oos.

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Anonymous wrote:All of this talk about “Ivy level” kids as if Ivy admittance for unhooked kids isn’t a total crapshoot. Plenty will take a Michigan ED option if ED offers a clear boost.

Don’t disagree with you, but the ones that have a legit shot won’t settle.

I know very few kids at our private that have Michigan as a first choice, nearly all see it as a nice fallback option.

And this is why it's smart for Michigan to use ED to distinguish between the first-choice and fallback kids.

Except then they will lose out on the higher stat kids. We’ll have to see how they balance it out.

Yes, they will lose out on the kids that are the very, very top that use Michigan as a respectable back up. Ivy caliber kids. But these kids USUALLY do not end up matriculating to Michigan. The next level kids are the ones that will ED to Michigan. These are the top 20% of the class, 34/1500 kids. Hardly low stats kids.

Yes but Michigan gets a lot of these top kids now and will lose them. Disagree that next level kids will ED — the level below that.

Agree to disagree. I think you underestimate the appeal of Ann Arbor, Big10 football, fraternity parties, etc. to a certain demographic. My 1520 sat, top 20% DS already decided he will be EDing to Michigan.

Sorry, did not see top 20%. That is indeed two levels down. Probably a good call to ED, as not being top 10% would be a dealbreaker at more competitive schools — Georgetown comes to mind.

At my DC’s school, Michigan is a harder admit than Georgetown. I guess it makes sense since Michigan is ranked USNWR #21 and Georgetown is 24. Probably varies by high school.

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you, as did not see it pop up on search or social media. Someone has been posting this for months on here and all, self included, did not believe them. Go figure.

I posted about it when the UMich AO who visited our HS told us and no one here believed me - some were downright mean to me about it, so I'm glad they finally announced it officially.

I also posted about it and was bashed.

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Anonymous wrote:Do we really believe the new ED is aimed at instate kids? My guess it's for the purpose of getting early commits from OOS kids at the high OOS tuition. I just think it's going to be a harder sell for OOS kids to commit early to a state school at such a high tuition without waiting for other offers. We shall see.

Why? People commit early to more expensive private schools all the time.

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With uncertainty regarding federal funding, I expect a lot of T20s to heavily use the ED list to get wealthy full pay families on campus. They usually take 50% of the campus through ED. Going forward, I wouldn't be shocked to see this number go up to 65-75% ED to blunt the effects of the Trump admin.

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Anonymous wrote:Do we really believe the new ED is aimed at instate kids? My guess it's for the purpose of getting early commits from OOS kids at the high OOS tuition. I just think it's going to be a harder sell for OOS kids to commit early to a state school at such a high tuition without waiting for other offers. We shall see.

Why? People commit early to more expensive private schools all the time.

From my experience, the typical OOS UMich ED student is a rich east coast prep schooler that was out of the running for an Ivy spot. I think a lot of these families will probably jump at the UMich ED opportunity if they know their kid has no shot at an Ivy. UofChicago has carved out a niche in taking 2-4th decile rich prep school applicants in ED. I think UMich can do a similar thing by swooping up median-level prep schoolers in the ED round. These kids are rich and can don't require scholarships and they are usually incredibly well prepared for college.

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Anonymous wrote:All of this talk about “Ivy level” kids as if Ivy admittance for unhooked kids isn’t a total crapshoot. Plenty will take a Michigan ED option if ED offers a clear boost.

Don’t disagree with you, but the ones that have a legit shot won’t settle.

I know very few kids at our private that have Michigan as a first choice, nearly all see it as a nice fallback option.

And this is why it's smart for Michigan to use ED to distinguish between the first-choice and fallback kids.

Except then they will lose out on the higher stat kids. We’ll have to see how they balance it out.

Yes, they will lose out on the kids that are the very, very top that use Michigan as a respectable back up. Ivy caliber kids. But these kids USUALLY do not end up matriculating to Michigan. The next level kids are the ones that will ED to Michigan. These are the top 20% of the class, 34/1500 kids. Hardly low stats kids.

Yes but Michigan gets a lot of these top kids now and will lose them. Disagree that next level kids will ED — the level below that.

Agree to disagree. I think you underestimate the appeal of Ann Arbor, Big10 football, fraternity parties, etc. to a certain demographic. My 1520 sat, top 20% DS already decided he will be EDing to Michigan.

No offense to your kid but these stats extremely unlikely for admission to Michigan oos.

LOL okay

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Anonymous wrote:All of this talk about “Ivy level” kids as if Ivy admittance for unhooked kids isn’t a total crapshoot. Plenty will take a Michigan ED option if ED offers a clear boost.

Don’t disagree with you, but the ones that have a legit shot won’t settle.

I know very few kids at our private that have Michigan as a first choice, nearly all see it as a nice fallback option.

And this is why it's smart for Michigan to use ED to distinguish between the first-choice and fallback kids.

Except then they will lose out on the higher stat kids. We’ll have to see how they balance it out.

Yes, they will lose out on the kids that are the very, very top that use Michigan as a respectable back up. Ivy caliber kids. But these kids USUALLY do not end up matriculating to Michigan. The next level kids are the ones that will ED to Michigan. These are the top 20% of the class, 34/1500 kids. Hardly low stats kids.

Yes but Michigan gets a lot of these top kids now and will lose them. Disagree that next level kids will ED — the level below that.

Agree to disagree. I think you underestimate the appeal of Ann Arbor, Big10 football, fraternity parties, etc. to a certain demographic. My 1520 sat, top 20% DS already decided he will be EDing to Michigan.

Sorry, did not see top 20%. That is indeed two levels down. Probably a good call to ED, as not being top 10% would be a dealbreaker at more competitive schools — Georgetown comes to mind.

At my DC’s school, Michigan is a harder admit than Georgetown. I guess it makes sense since Michigan is ranked USNWR #21 and Georgetown is 24. Probably varies by high school.

If they're going for UMich business or engineering, it's definitely harder. If they're going for LAS, then it's easier than Georgetown. UMich has gotten trickier since they turned Ross into a 4 year program. A kid can't just reapply after freshman year, so it's now harder to get into your top choice programs.