APE screenshots: this is how they play to win

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here's the text of Becky's first post:

"So firstly, thank you for letting me join this group despite being an Arlington resident. I am very involved in Arlington Parents for Education (APE) - Forum, a nonprofit parent-run group advocating for accountability and excellence in Arlington schools. We originated as the “Open schools” group in Arlington during the pandemic. Now we are focused on a range of issues, from evidence-based pedagogy to school budgeting policy.
I wanted to reach out to ya’ll in Alexandria City to see how your system administers SOL testing. We are pushing back on the overuse of iPads in our elementary grades, and a constant excuse we are hearing is that the iPads are required for SOLs starting in 3rd grade (and that kids need to be familiar with them by 3rd, despite their completely intuitive UX…and the fact that touch screens make many kids like my son trigger happy and test poorly, but I digress). So they are essentially blaming VDOE for iPads in our schools, when I know there’s no way that all jurisdictions in VA have spent their limited budget on thousands of iPads the way that Arlington has.
VDOE stipulates that SOLs are electronic, but not what medium they are taken with (ie tablets or laptops). Can anyone confirm how they’re taken in Alexandria City, and any other neighboring school districts that you may be familiar with? Thanks in advance!!
And here is our website feel free to sign up for our biweekly newsletter or reach out if you’d like to collaborate on any issue!"

Didn't know Liabetes is contagious!

Yep. She responded to someone who is an obvious Alexandria parent and asked them to comment. Her story that it was an accident doesn’t hold up.

I hop someone FOIAs the APEs promised email to APS to hold them accountable like they claim to do to APS.

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Anonymous wrote:All, APE Board Member here - it was brought to our attention today that earlier this week a volunteer of our group posted on an Alexandria education facebook page about edtech and SOLs. In that discussion, when a follow up question was asked about the cell phone pilot, she posted that there was a survey open for the pilot. We have confirmed with her that she thought it was apparent that the survey was intended for Arlington parents, especially as the survey asks Arlington-specific demographic questions. While her post was well intentioned, her wording did not highlight who should and should not fill out the survey. She is extremely apologetic about the confusion; nothing nefarious was intended. We want to state extremely clearly that no one outside of Arlington should have filled out the survey, and we will email the Arlington School Board to clarify that was not the intention of the original poster nor us. We stand by our support of the cell phone J-30 draft and feel strongly it can stand on its own without any outside influence. This was an individual error and a mistake and not that of any larger group effort.

That’s a pretty generous interpretation of someone actively soliciting non-Arlington residents to “submit a positive comment” via an APS survey. It may not have been officially sanctioned, but this was not miscommunication.

+1 more APE spin and lies

If their view is so popular why do they need to play dirty? Wonder where else they rounded up votes from???

You all already lost the cell phone debate. Find some other rock to kick.

We aren’t talking about cell phones. I know Rs are pretty slow but do try to keep up.

We are talking about how unethical and awful APE is. How low and dirty they are.

Most people don't care about APE and don't even know they exist. I mean do they have more than 10 people in that group? Are you scared of them? Why do you even care? Most APS parents from the south I've met are pretty ignorant and backwood regardless of their actual positions either way--The "All schools in Arlington are great" crowd.

Someone in the know once told me that the super meets with APE four times a year. What other advocacy group or person has that level of influence?

They are terrible people IRL, and honestly I judge Dr. Duran for giving them so much time to influence APS policy. I don't really think he cares about the rest of us plebes. Certainly not the marginalized.

Shame on Durán for giving right wing lobbyists this access. That’s awful. Someone should FOIA this.

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Anonymous wrote:All, APE Board Member here - it was brought to our attention today that earlier this week a volunteer of our group posted on an Alexandria education facebook page about edtech and SOLs. In that discussion, when a follow up question was asked about the cell phone pilot, she posted that there was a survey open for the pilot. We have confirmed with her that she thought it was apparent that the survey was intended for Arlington parents, especially as the survey asks Arlington-specific demographic questions. While her post was well intentioned, her wording did not highlight who should and should not fill out the survey. She is extremely apologetic about the confusion; nothing nefarious was intended. We want to state extremely clearly that no one outside of Arlington should have filled out the survey, and we will email the Arlington School Board to clarify that was not the intention of the original poster nor us. We stand by our support of the cell phone J-30 draft and feel strongly it can stand on its own without any outside influence. This was an individual error and a mistake and not that of any larger group effort.

That’s a pretty generous interpretation of someone actively soliciting non-Arlington residents to “submit a positive comment” via an APS survey. It may not have been officially sanctioned, but this was not miscommunication.

+1 more APE spin and lies

If their view is so popular why do they need to play dirty? Wonder where else they rounded up votes from???

You all already lost the cell phone debate. Find some other rock to kick.

We aren’t talking about cell phones. I know Rs are pretty slow but do try to keep up.

We are talking about how unethical and awful APE is. How low and dirty they are.

Most people don't care about APE and don't even know they exist. I mean do they have more than 10 people in that group? Are you scared of them? Why do you even care? Most APS parents from the south I've met are pretty ignorant and backwood regardless of their actual positions either way--The "All schools in Arlington are great" crowd.

Someone in the know once told me that the super meets with APE four times a year. What other advocacy group or person has that level of influence?

They are terrible people IRL, and honestly I judge Dr. Duran for giving them so much time to influence APS policy. I don't really think he cares about the rest of us plebes. Certainly not the marginalized.

Terrible in real life? Really? You (whoever you are) clearly have some personal hangups with someone (whoever they are). None of the rest of us know you or her, so this thread seems bizarre and unhinged to the rest of us.

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Anonymous wrote:All, APE Board Member here - it was brought to our attention today that earlier this week a volunteer of our group posted on an Alexandria education facebook page about edtech and SOLs. In that discussion, when a follow up question was asked about the cell phone pilot, she posted that there was a survey open for the pilot. We have confirmed with her that she thought it was apparent that the survey was intended for Arlington parents, especially as the survey asks Arlington-specific demographic questions. While her post was well intentioned, her wording did not highlight who should and should not fill out the survey. She is extremely apologetic about the confusion; nothing nefarious was intended. We want to state extremely clearly that no one outside of Arlington should have filled out the survey, and we will email the Arlington School Board to clarify that was not the intention of the original poster nor us. We stand by our support of the cell phone J-30 draft and feel strongly it can stand on its own without any outside influence. This was an individual error and a mistake and not that of any larger group effort.

That’s a pretty generous interpretation of someone actively soliciting non-Arlington residents to “submit a positive comment” via an APS survey. It may not have been officially sanctioned, but this was not miscommunication.

+1 more APE spin and lies

If their view is so popular why do they need to play dirty? Wonder where else they rounded up votes from???

You all already lost the cell phone debate. Find some other rock to kick.

We aren’t talking about cell phones. I know Rs are pretty slow but do try to keep up.

We are talking about how unethical and awful APE is. How low and dirty they are.

Most people don't care about APE and don't even know they exist. I mean do they have more than 10 people in that group? Are you scared of them? Why do you even care? Most APS parents from the south I've met are pretty ignorant and backwood regardless of their actual positions either way--The "All schools in Arlington are great" crowd.

Someone in the know once told me that the super meets with APE four times a year. What other advocacy group or person has that level of influence?

They are terrible people IRL, and honestly I judge Dr. Duran for giving them so much time to influence APS policy. I don't really think he cares about the rest of us plebes. Certainly not the marginalized.

Terrible in real life? Really? You (whoever you are) clearly have some personal hangups with someone (whoever they are). None of the rest of us know you or her, so this thread seems bizarre and unhinged to the rest of us.

lol. They talk over everyone else who doesn’t agree with them and gaslight. Just like in online forums.

Maybe if they just tried to work with everyone else in good faith rather than bulldoze any initiative that doesn’t adhere to their viewpoint 100%, I would have a better opinion of them.

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Anonymous wrote:All, APE Board Member here - it was brought to our attention today that earlier this week a volunteer of our group posted on an Alexandria education facebook page about edtech and SOLs. In that discussion, when a follow up question was asked about the cell phone pilot, she posted that there was a survey open for the pilot. We have confirmed with her that she thought it was apparent that the survey was intended for Arlington parents, especially as the survey asks Arlington-specific demographic questions. While her post was well intentioned, her wording did not highlight who should and should not fill out the survey. She is extremely apologetic about the confusion; nothing nefarious was intended. We want to state extremely clearly that no one outside of Arlington should have filled out the survey, and we will email the Arlington School Board to clarify that was not the intention of the original poster nor us. We stand by our support of the cell phone J-30 draft and feel strongly it can stand on its own without any outside influence. This was an individual error and a mistake and not that of any larger group effort.

That’s a pretty generous interpretation of someone actively soliciting non-Arlington residents to “submit a positive comment” via an APS survey. It may not have been officially sanctioned, but this was not miscommunication.

+1 more APE spin and lies

If their view is so popular why do they need to play dirty? Wonder where else they rounded up votes from???

You all already lost the cell phone debate. Find some other rock to kick.

We aren’t talking about cell phones. I know Rs are pretty slow but do try to keep up.

We are talking about how unethical and awful APE is. How low and dirty they are.

Most people don't care about APE and don't even know they exist. I mean do they have more than 10 people in that group? Are you scared of them? Why do you even care? Most APS parents from the south I've met are pretty ignorant and backwood regardless of their actual positions either way--The "All schools in Arlington are great" crowd.

Someone in the know once told me that the super meets with APE four times a year. What other advocacy group or person has that level of influence?

They are terrible people IRL, and honestly I judge Dr. Duran for giving them so much time to influence APS policy. I don't really think he cares about the rest of us plebes. Certainly not the marginalized.

Terrible in real life? Really? You (whoever you are) clearly have some personal hangups with someone (whoever they are). None of the rest of us know you or her, so this thread seems bizarre and unhinged to the rest of us.

lol. They talk over everyone else who doesn’t agree with them and gaslight. Just like in online forums.

Maybe if they just tried to work with everyone else in good faith rather than bulldoze any initiative that doesn’t adhere to their viewpoint 100%, I would have a better opinion of them.

Agreed. If they’re mean-spirited in online forums, it’s not so far fetched that they are not pleasant people irl.

[Anonymous]

She knew exactly what she was doing. On the APE Facebook page, here is her response to someone posting the latest survey:

“Friends and family have submitted their approving comments!!!”

I’ll bet she sent this to Grandma and Auntie Jean to fill out.

Disgusting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She deleted her original post in the Alexandria group. Too bad screenshots live forever. Don't post stuff that will come back to bite you.

APE should take ownership since she, as a representative DID solicit official feedback from outside the community for an Arlington SB policy considerations.

Too bad APE won't learn anything. They probably do this all of the time.

When did it first go up?

The original screenshot said 6 days ago, so the original post went up about a week ago. Plenty of time for ACPS parents to comment in official APS forums before the public comment closed last Sunday.

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Anonymous wrote:All, APE Board Member here - it was brought to our attention today that earlier this week a volunteer of our group posted on an Alexandria education facebook page about edtech and SOLs. In that discussion, when a follow up question was asked about the cell phone pilot, she posted that there was a survey open for the pilot. We have confirmed with her that she thought it was apparent that the survey was intended for Arlington parents, especially as the survey asks Arlington-specific demographic questions. While her post was well intentioned, her wording did not highlight who should and should not fill out the survey. She is extremely apologetic about the confusion; nothing nefarious was intended. We want to state extremely clearly that no one outside of Arlington should have filled out the survey, and we will email the Arlington School Board to clarify that was not the intention of the original poster nor us. We stand by our support of the cell phone J-30 draft and feel strongly it can stand on its own without any outside influence. This was an individual error and a mistake and not that of any larger group effort.

That’s a pretty generous interpretation of someone actively soliciting non-Arlington residents to “submit a positive comment” via an APS survey. It may not have been officially sanctioned, but this was not miscommunication.

+1 more APE spin and lies

If their view is so popular why do they need to play dirty? Wonder where else they rounded up votes from???

You all already lost the cell phone debate. Find some other rock to kick.

We aren’t talking about cell phones. I know Rs are pretty slow but do try to keep up.

We are talking about how unethical and awful APE is. How low and dirty they are.

Most people don't care about APE and don't even know they exist. I mean do they have more than 10 people in that group? Are you scared of them? Why do you even care? Most APS parents from the south I've met are pretty ignorant and backwood regardless of their actual positions either way--The "All schools in Arlington are great" crowd.

Someone in the know once told me that the super meets with APE four times a year. What other advocacy group or person has that level of influence?

They are terrible people IRL, and honestly I judge Dr. Duran for giving them so much time to influence APS policy. I don't really think he cares about the rest of us plebes. Certainly not the marginalized.

Terrible in real life? Really? You (whoever you are) clearly have some personal hangups with someone (whoever they are). None of the rest of us know you or her, so this thread seems bizarre and unhinged to the rest of us.

lol. They talk over everyone else who doesn’t agree with them and gaslight. Just like in online forums.

Maybe if they just tried to work with everyone else in good faith rather than bulldoze any initiative that doesn’t adhere to their viewpoint 100%, I would have a better opinion of them.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She knew exactly what she was doing. On the APE Facebook page, here is her response to someone posting the latest survey:

“Friends and family have submitted their approving comments!!!”

I’ll bet she sent this to Grandma and Auntie Jean to fill out.

Disgusting.

Ooh. Another comment to delete. Hope you got the screenshots!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OOP: I see that one link was removed because I accidentally didn't blot out one name. It's causing a lot of confusion in the thread, so I edited it again and reposting for context.

https://imgur.com/a/lkpQGtG

Update: the APE poster now claims her message was misconstrued!

No I think we all got her message loud and clear when she clearly invited people in the Alexandria group to take the APS survey!

These people are shameless.

Here's her latest post in the Alexandria group:

"It has come to my intention that in the comments of my post about how neighboring districts administer SOLs, where someone asked what the latest was on Arlington’s cell phone policy in Arlington, my comment and share of a survey collecting community feedback is being misconstrued as asking Alexandria families to answer the survey. These surveys always ask if you are a community member, parent, teacher, etc. I would never want someone who does not fall into one of these categories to lie or inappropriately fill out a survey.
The only reason I was in an Alexandria group to begin with is because I used to live there; so what I meant but should have explicitly stated was “if you also live/work, etc. in Arlington”. I’m sorry that was not obvious—I think being in comments I was rushing and not paying enough attention to my phrasing. And again, from my perspective as a former Alexandria resident, that’s very common. Regardless, I’ve deleted the original post to reduce confusion.
Finally—it also came across like I was posting on behalf of APE I think because when I shared a link to the website on the post a thumbnail of APE’s logo popped up. I was seeking information on how other districts take SOL tests out of my own interest in the EdTech issue—because it’s often used as an excuse for keeping our kids on iPads. The cell phone sidebar conversation in the comments was also not at all an official post from APE as an organization.
Happy to answer questions from those who found my posts concerning…I take ethics very seriously and have not and would never seek to inappropriately tip scales or violate rules. I am simply enthusiastic about reducing screen usage in schools and I’m sorry I did not communicate that better."

There were a lot of APS parents in the Alexandria group even before Methany posted her solicitation. Probably even more now that revelations have come to light.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OOP: I see that one link was removed because I accidentally didn't blot out one name. It's causing a lot of confusion in the thread, so I edited it again and reposting for context.

https://imgur.com/a/lkpQGtG

Update: the APE poster now claims her message was misconstrued!

No I think we all got her message loud and clear when she clearly invited people in the Alexandria group to take the APS survey!

These people are shameless.

Here's her latest post in the Alexandria group:

"It has come to my intention that in the comments of my post about how neighboring districts administer SOLs, where someone asked what the latest was on Arlington’s cell phone policy in Arlington, my comment and share of a survey collecting community feedback is being misconstrued as asking Alexandria families to answer the survey. These surveys always ask if you are a community member, parent, teacher, etc. I would never want someone who does not fall into one of these categories to lie or inappropriately fill out a survey.
The only reason I was in an Alexandria group to begin with is because I used to live there; so what I meant but should have explicitly stated was “if you also live/work, etc. in Arlington”. I’m sorry that was not obvious—I think being in comments I was rushing and not paying enough attention to my phrasing. And again, from my perspective as a former Alexandria resident, that’s very common. Regardless, I’ve deleted the original post to reduce confusion.
Finally—it also came across like I was posting on behalf of APE I think because when I shared a link to the website on the post a thumbnail of APE’s logo popped up. I was seeking information on how other districts take SOL tests out of my own interest in the EdTech issue—because it’s often used as an excuse for keeping our kids on iPads. The cell phone sidebar conversation in the comments was also not at all an official post from APE as an organization.
Happy to answer questions from those who found my posts concerning…I take ethics very seriously and have not and would never seek to inappropriately tip scales or violate rules. I am simply enthusiastic about reducing screen usage in schools and I’m sorry I did not communicate that better."

Well, this might hold water if the ACPS advocacy group admins didn’t approve her join request on the same day. Almost immediately afterwards, she posted the comment linked in OOP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She knew exactly what she was doing. On the APE Facebook page, here is her response to someone posting the latest survey:

“Friends and family have submitted their approving comments!!!”

I’ll bet she sent this to Grandma and Auntie Jean to fill out.

Disgusting.

Wow. They have no shame.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OOP: I see that one link was removed because I accidentally didn't blot out one name. It's causing a lot of confusion in the thread, so I edited it again and reposting for context.

https://imgur.com/a/lkpQGtG

Update: the APE poster now claims her message was misconstrued!

No I think we all got her message loud and clear when she clearly invited people in the Alexandria group to take the APS survey!

These people are shameless.

Here's her latest post in the Alexandria group:

"It has come to my intention that in the comments of my post about how neighboring districts administer SOLs, where someone asked what the latest was on Arlington’s cell phone policy in Arlington, my comment and share of a survey collecting community feedback is being misconstrued as asking Alexandria families to answer the survey. These surveys always ask if you are a community member, parent, teacher, etc. I would never want someone who does not fall into one of these categories to lie or inappropriately fill out a survey.
The only reason I was in an Alexandria group to begin with is because I used to live there; so what I meant but should have explicitly stated was “if you also live/work, etc. in Arlington”. I’m sorry that was not obvious—I think being in comments I was rushing and not paying enough attention to my phrasing. And again, from my perspective as a former Alexandria resident, that’s very common. Regardless, I’ve deleted the original post to reduce confusion.
Finally—it also came across like I was posting on behalf of APE I think because when I shared a link to the website on the post a thumbnail of APE’s logo popped up. I was seeking information on how other districts take SOL tests out of my own interest in the EdTech issue—because it’s often used as an excuse for keeping our kids on iPads. The cell phone sidebar conversation in the comments was also not at all an official post from APE as an organization.
Happy to answer questions from those who found my posts concerning…I take ethics very seriously and have not and would never seek to inappropriately tip scales or violate rules. I am simply enthusiastic about reducing screen usage in schools and I’m sorry I did not communicate that better."

Well, this might hold water if the ACPS advocacy group admins didn’t approve her join request on the same day. Almost immediately afterwards, she posted the comment linked in OOP.

Wait. So she just joined the ACPS group?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OOP: I see that one link was removed because I accidentally didn't blot out one name. It's causing a lot of confusion in the thread, so I edited it again and reposting for context.

https://imgur.com/a/lkpQGtG

Update: the APE poster now claims her message was misconstrued!

No I think we all got her message loud and clear when she clearly invited people in the Alexandria group to take the APS survey!

These people are shameless.

Here's her latest post in the Alexandria group:

"It has come to my intention that in the comments of my post about how neighboring districts administer SOLs, where someone asked what the latest was on Arlington’s cell phone policy in Arlington, my comment and share of a survey collecting community feedback is being misconstrued as asking Alexandria families to answer the survey. These surveys always ask if you are a community member, parent, teacher, etc. I would never want someone who does not fall into one of these categories to lie or inappropriately fill out a survey.
The only reason I was in an Alexandria group to begin with is because I used to live there; so what I meant but should have explicitly stated was “if you also live/work, etc. in Arlington”. I’m sorry that was not obvious—I think being in comments I was rushing and not paying enough attention to my phrasing. And again, from my perspective as a former Alexandria resident, that’s very common. Regardless, I’ve deleted the original post to reduce confusion.
Finally—it also came across like I was posting on behalf of APE I think because when I shared a link to the website on the post a thumbnail of APE’s logo popped up. I was seeking information on how other districts take SOL tests out of my own interest in the EdTech issue—because it’s often used as an excuse for keeping our kids on iPads. The cell phone sidebar conversation in the comments was also not at all an official post from APE as an organization.
Happy to answer questions from those who found my posts concerning…I take ethics very seriously and have not and would never seek to inappropriately tip scales or violate rules. I am simply enthusiastic about reducing screen usage in schools and I’m sorry I did not communicate that better."

Well, this might hold water if the ACPS advocacy group admins didn’t approve her join request on the same day. Almost immediately afterwards, she posted the comment linked in OOP.

Wait. So she just joined the ACPS group?

Yep. The admins of that group welcomes everyone new to the group in a post, tagging them. Charliemagne joined the group and then immediately posted afterwards. I can't obviously post a screenshot, because it's just tagged names, but you can go take a look if you belong to the group.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OOP: I see that one link was removed because I accidentally didn't blot out one name. It's causing a lot of confusion in the thread, so I edited it again and reposting for context.

https://imgur.com/a/lkpQGtG

Update: the APE poster now claims her message was misconstrued!

No I think we all got her message loud and clear when she clearly invited people in the Alexandria group to take the APS survey!

These people are shameless.

Here's her latest post in the Alexandria group:

"It has come to my intention that in the comments of my post about how neighboring districts administer SOLs, where someone asked what the latest was on Arlington’s cell phone policy in Arlington, my comment and share of a survey collecting community feedback is being misconstrued as asking Alexandria families to answer the survey. These surveys always ask if you are a community member, parent, teacher, etc. I would never want someone who does not fall into one of these categories to lie or inappropriately fill out a survey.
The only reason I was in an Alexandria group to begin with is because I used to live there; so what I meant but should have explicitly stated was “if you also live/work, etc. in Arlington”. I’m sorry that was not obvious—I think being in comments I was rushing and not paying enough attention to my phrasing. And again, from my perspective as a former Alexandria resident, that’s very common. Regardless, I’ve deleted the original post to reduce confusion.
Finally—it also came across like I was posting on behalf of APE I think because when I shared a link to the website on the post a thumbnail of APE’s logo popped up. I was seeking information on how other districts take SOL tests out of my own interest in the EdTech issue—because it’s often used as an excuse for keeping our kids on iPads. The cell phone sidebar conversation in the comments was also not at all an official post from APE as an organization.
Happy to answer questions from those who found my posts concerning…I take ethics very seriously and have not and would never seek to inappropriately tip scales or violate rules. I am simply enthusiastic about reducing screen usage in schools and I’m sorry I did not communicate that better."

Well, this might hold water if the ACPS advocacy group admins didn’t approve her join request on the same day. Almost immediately afterwards, she posted the comment linked in OOP.

Wait. So she just joined the ACPS group?

Yep. The admins of that group welcomes everyone new to the group in a post, tagging them. Charliemagne joined the group and then immediately posted afterwards. I can't obviously post a screenshot, because it's just tagged names, but you can go take a look if you belong to the group.

You should screenshot it just to have on record.