WSJ -Sorry, Harvard. Everyone Wants to go to School in the South

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Once more, the article doesn’t support the title well.

It shows CA applications increasing just as much as the south yet they had lockdowns and protests.

They profile a kid at GA Tech that actually wanted to attend Tufts, was accepted and couldn’t afford it.

Strange situation to highlight.

Did you miss that enrollment in the South is indeed increasing?

Got it…but not to the detriment of schools that had lockdowns or protests (CA schools as an example) or even Harvard (where the article said applications to Harvard are also way up).

Also, the nominal numbers of northern kids attending are still small…just increasing off a tiny base.

Once more…why profile a kid that actually wanted to attend Tufts as a first choice? That seems like an odd decision.

Do you have a cite for this?

The article dipshit. Read it.

It shows fairly small numbers at Old Miss (one of the schools they profiled)…but it’s up from very small numbers.

The raw number of kids attending Ole Miss, Alabama, UTK, etc. from the mid-Atlantic and North is not nominal. You're cherry picking Ole Miss which is a smaller university.

Anecdotally, my kid was accepted to U Tennessee. When they went on the School of Engineering tour, half of the group of 12-15 students in their tour groupwere from northern Virginia. 1/4 were from DC-MD.

That is a sample size on one, but based on the tour, the DC area is highly represented at University of Tennessee.

Yes, but these are not the good students.

Not the PP, but I’ve seen too many good students openly enthused about Southern schools to believe your outdated stereotypes. Ask any teacher at a competitive high school.

I had a class of 2022 and have a class of 2025. The top students are not applying to southern schools. I do know kids who have gone to SC or TN but they are not good students. This thread is funny because it acts like the only options are NE and deep South.

I think everyone is missing the point.

Remember when it seemed like nobody from around here applied to southern schools? Because they didn’t—and the data backs that up. But now there is a dramatic uptick in kids from around here opting for schools in the south.

Sure, the ones you are likely most familiar with might not be the valedictorian. But ICYMI: the southern schools are aggressively recruiting smart kids and throwing money at them. It’s happening. And that’s the takeaway.

Assuming most of the posters don’t have a kid at a southern school and never bothered to visit, I’m happy to be your SEC doula. AMA

Yeah, we aren’t seeing smart kids go there. And I know a few older kids who just graduated from TN who are now unemployed in their parents’ house,

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I am absolutely enjoying the frantic histrionics. Cope and seethe!

+1. This is one of the funniest threads I’ve seen on this site.

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Once more, the article doesn’t support the title well.

It shows CA applications increasing just as much as the south yet they had lockdowns and protests.

They profile a kid at GA Tech that actually wanted to attend Tufts, was accepted and couldn’t afford it.

Strange situation to highlight.

Did you miss that enrollment in the South is indeed increasing?

Got it…but not to the detriment of schools that had lockdowns or protests (CA schools as an example) or even Harvard (where the article said applications to Harvard are also way up).

Also, the nominal numbers of northern kids attending are still small…just increasing off a tiny base.

Once more…why profile a kid that actually wanted to attend Tufts as a first choice? That seems like an odd decision.

Do you have a cite for this?

The article dipshit. Read it.

It shows fairly small numbers at Old Miss (one of the schools they profiled)…but it’s up from very small numbers.

The raw number of kids attending Ole Miss, Alabama, UTK, etc. from the mid-Atlantic and North is not nominal. You're cherry picking Ole Miss which is a smaller university.

Anecdotally, my kid was accepted to U Tennessee. When they went on the School of Engineering tour, half of the group of 12-15 students in their tour groupwere from northern Virginia. 1/4 were from DC-MD.

That is a sample size on one, but based on the tour, the DC area is highly represented at University of Tennessee.

Yes, but these are not the good students.

Not the PP, but I’ve seen too many good students openly enthused about Southern schools to believe your outdated stereotypes. Ask any teacher at a competitive high school.

I had a class of 2022 and have a class of 2025. The top students are not applying to southern schools. I do know kids who have gone to SC or TN but they are not good students. This thread is funny because it acts like the only options are NE and deep South.

I think everyone is missing the point.

Remember when it seemed like nobody from around here applied to southern schools? Because they didn’t—and the data backs that up. But now there is a dramatic uptick in kids from around here opting for schools in the south.

Sure, the ones you are likely most familiar with might not be the valedictorian. But ICYMI: the southern schools are aggressively recruiting smart kids and throwing money at them. It’s happening. And that’s the takeaway.

Assuming most of the posters don’t have a kid at a southern school and never bothered to visit, I’m happy to be your SEC doula. AMA

Yeah, we aren’t seeing smart kids go there. And I know a few older kids who just graduated from TN who are now unemployed in their parents’ house,

🤣🤣🤣🤣

I am absolutely enjoying the frantic histrionics. Cope and seethe!

+1. This is one of the funniest threads I’ve seen on this site.

I have to thank the WSJ for this weekend entertainment for sure.

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A growing number of high-school seniors in the North are making an unexpected choice for college: They are heading to Clemson, Georgia Tech, South Carolina, Alabama and other universities in the South.

Students say they are searching for the fun and school spirit emanating from the South on their social-media feeds. Their parents cite lower tuition and less debt, and warmer weather. College counselors also say many teens are eager to trade the political polarization ripping apart campuses in New England and New York for the sense of community epitomized by the South’s football Saturdays. Promising job prospects after graduation can sweeten the pot.

The number of Northerners going to Southern public schools went up 84% over the past two decades, and jumped 30% from 2018 to 2022, a Wall Street Journal analysis of the latest available Education Department data found.

At the University of Tennessee in Knoxville, total freshmen from the Northeast jumped to nearly 600 in a class of about 6,800, up from around 50 in 2002. At the University of Mississippi, in Oxford, they increased from 11 to more than 200 in a class of about 4,500 in 2022. At the University of Alabama in Tuscaloosa, 11% of students came from the Northeast in 2022, compared with less than 1% two decades prior.

This is a huge factor. Luckily my kids feel the same way. I am not paying top dollar for indoctrination and waving terrorist flags.

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Northerners with a strong bias against the south won’t ever believe this. See PP who equates any southern wealth with trash.

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It’s pretty obvious that wealth and job creation is moving south. Makes sense southern colleges will become more desirable.

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Anonymous wrote:Once upon a time, the Ivies were where the rich and well-connected sent their kids to meet other rich and well-connected kids. The student body has changed tremendously and is now full of first gen kids with no connections and who have completely different backgrounds than the old guard. The Ivies are becoming less appealing to the old guard now that their kids are as likely to rub elbows with other kids of elites at the private dorms or in some of the frats at big SEC schools or schools like SMU or Tulane.

My kid’s roommate is old $$$ billionaire family at his Ivy. They are still sending their kids to Ivies—-FFS ha. They are t all the sudden sending them to Alabama

Ok

But until you’ve set foot on a SEC campus, you aren’t likely to appreciate the wealth there. It’s shocking.

My kid is at a school in the south and the stories they share about their friends and other kids they hang with are unbelievable: the houses, cars, trips, etc. and throwing down credit cards for shopping sprees and parties. It’s not unusual for Daddy and his golf buddies to fly on his private plane for a football game.

We are just the schmuck worker bees aiming for ivies for our kids while those you call dummies are the ones who will own the companies the smart kids will scramble to work for.

Trashy flashy wealth will never be seen as the same as understated wealth, and smart yet not wealthy does better over a lifetime than average and inherited dad’s money. The ivies and elite privates are not fading. You keep telling yourself they are: it won’t make it true.

But it’s not trashy sassy wealthy southerners…unless we’re now calling Philly’s main line, Chicago, NY, CT, etc. the south?

Anyway, my belief is that the bright happy people who know how to have fun typically go the farthest in life…regardless of where they earn their degree. After all, personality trumps everything else.

I agree with you. There are a lot of wealthy families from around the country that are now sending their offspring to Southern Methodist, Texas Christian, High Point, Miami, and Wake Forest. Even Clemson and Alabama. And if they can get in - Vanderbilt and Duke. And it's not trashy flashy money either. It's families in Lake Forest and Westchester County and so on. It's definitely a change from 20 years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:Once upon a time, the Ivies were where the rich and well-connected sent their kids to meet other rich and well-connected kids. The student body has changed tremendously and is now full of first gen kids with no connections and who have completely different backgrounds than the old guard. The Ivies are becoming less appealing to the old guard now that their kids are as likely to rub elbows with other kids of elites at the private dorms or in some of the frats at big SEC schools or schools like SMU or Tulane.

My kid’s roommate is old $$$ billionaire family at his Ivy. They are still sending their kids to Ivies—-FFS ha. They are t all the sudden sending them to Alabama

Ok

But until you’ve set foot on a SEC campus, you aren’t likely to appreciate the wealth there. It’s shocking.

My kid is at a school in the south and the stories they share about their friends and other kids they hang with are unbelievable: the houses, cars, trips, etc. and throwing down credit cards for shopping sprees and parties. It’s not unusual for Daddy and his golf buddies to fly on his private plane for a football game.

We are just the schmuck worker bees aiming for ivies for our kids while those you call dummies are the ones who will own the companies the smart kids will scramble to work for.

Trashy flashy wealth will never be seen as the same as understated wealth, and smart yet not wealthy does better over a lifetime than average and inherited dad’s money. The ivies and elite privates are not fading. You keep telling yourself they are: it won’t make it true.

But it’s not trashy sassy wealthy southerners…unless we’re now calling Philly’s main line, Chicago, NY, CT, etc. the south?

Anyway, my belief is that the bright happy people who know how to have fun typically go the farthest in life…regardless of where they earn their degree. After all, personality trumps everything else.

I agree with you. There are a lot of wealthy families from around the country that are now sending their offspring to Southern Methodist, Texas Christian, High Point, Miami, and Wake Forest. Even Clemson and Alabama. And if they can get in - Vanderbilt and Duke. And it's not trashy flashy money either. It's families in Lake Forest and Westchester County and so on. It's definitely a change from 20 years ago.

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I’m a northern transplant living in the Southeast and a product of two northern schools that are very popular on this forum. I’ve been impressed during my visits to Southern campuses. I’ve been impressed with the kids going to the schools that are being put down on this thread. I’ve been impressed and humbled by friends and colleagues who attended big Southern U and living pretty good lives. That’s not to say that the Southern public U’s are all good and the Northern private U’s are all bad. Two very different experiences, cultures and missions….

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Anonymous wrote:From The Southeast. Private colleges up North have been a tough sell for many top students down here, even before the pandemic. It’s hard to beat tuition incentives such as Georgia’s Zell Miller and Hope scholarships and Florida’s Bright Futures for in-state students. People down here are incredibly loyal to and enthusiastic about their state flagships.

Also, let's not pretend that MOST of the kids choosing the southern schools have a good shot of getting in some of the top NE schools. Because they just don't.

+1. The good students are not interested in the subpar education and peer group of these large southern schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever floats your boat.
But DD is not keen to go anywhere south due to the draconian abortion policies and I think that’s smart.

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Awful weather first for mine, followed by what you said

Add in the anti LGBTQ+ nonsense for my child

The farthest South we looked was a small school in Raleigh. My daughter didn’t even apply in the end (they had the latest deadline and she already had yesses). She wound up in MA after applying to 3 schools in VA, 2 in MI, 1 in PA, 1 in MA, and one in St Louis area (close to IL line - this was the only reason an exception was made)

My kid is at a big SEC school in a state that everyone in Dcumlandia seems to hate. While there is an immediate assumption that the community would be anti-LGBT, the reality is that it isn’t. We met a gay recruiter as soon as we arrived on campus (fun fact: they lived and worked in DC for a decade and prefer the SEC college town since people are friendlier and there’s a community vibe).

Don’t make assumptions without verifying the ground truth.

I love that you use one gay recruiter to extrapolate that southern schools don’t have a anti-LGBTQ problem. That’s critical thinking for ya!

Okay, Jan.

The reality is we encountered a lot of students who fall under the lgbtq umbrella along with other gay adults (young and old) at various venues in town (hotel, restaurant, shops, etc.).

But feel free to continue with your biased, baseless assumption that surely every college town in the south is filled with backwards rednecks who hate the gay community. No need to believe someone who has actually been on SEC campuses a lot over the last handful of years.

You know what else? Kids from all races actually interact. It’s true! Seen it with my own eyes.

you're replying to a couple different posters

I was the first one who brought up the anti-LGBTQ+ problems.

I never said anything about campuses themselves. I specifically said the state laws are the problem. Just like the draconian laws wrt to reproductive health.

I am in no way biased against the south or southerners. I went to school in NC. My husband is from TX. I have friends who live all over the country.

My issues are entirely with the state laws that govern the entire state. They do not change just because there is a campus that is accepting (which I'm sure a lot of them are)

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Anonymous wrote:Once upon a time, the Ivies were where the rich and well-connected sent their kids to meet other rich and well-connected kids. The student body has changed tremendously and is now full of first gen kids with no connections and who have completely different backgrounds than the old guard. The Ivies are becoming less appealing to the old guard now that their kids are as likely to rub elbows with other kids of elites at the private dorms or in some of the frats at big SEC schools or schools like SMU or Tulane.

My kid’s roommate is old $$$ billionaire family at his Ivy. They are still sending their kids to Ivies—-FFS ha. They are t all the sudden sending them to Alabama

Ok

But until you’ve set foot on a SEC campus, you aren’t likely to appreciate the wealth there. It’s shocking.

My kid is at a school in the south and the stories they share about their friends and other kids they hang with are unbelievable: the houses, cars, trips, etc. and throwing down credit cards for shopping sprees and parties. It’s not unusual for Daddy and his golf buddies to fly on his private plane for a football game.

We are just the schmuck worker bees aiming for ivies for our kids while those you call dummies are the ones who will own the companies the smart kids will scramble to work for.

Trashy flashy wealth will never be seen as the same as understated wealth, and smart yet not wealthy does better over a lifetime than average and inherited dad’s money. The ivies and elite privates are not fading. You keep telling yourself they are: it won’t make it true.

But it’s not trashy sassy wealthy southerners…unless we’re now calling Philly’s main line, Chicago, NY, CT, etc. the south?

Anyway, my belief is that the bright happy people who know how to have fun typically go the farthest in life…regardless of where they earn their degree. After all, personality trumps everything else.

I agree with you. There are a lot of wealthy families from around the country that are now sending their offspring to Southern Methodist, Texas Christian, High Point, Miami, and Wake Forest. Even Clemson and Alabama. And if they can get in - Vanderbilt and Duke. And it's not trashy flashy money either. It's families in Lake Forest and Westchester County and so on. It's definitely a change from 20 years ago.

Tulane too. So much wealth from NY, California, Texas, DC…

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Anonymous wrote:Once upon a time, the Ivies were where the rich and well-connected sent their kids to meet other rich and well-connected kids. The student body has changed tremendously and is now full of first gen kids with no connections and who have completely different backgrounds than the old guard. The Ivies are becoming less appealing to the old guard now that their kids are as likely to rub elbows with other kids of elites at the private dorms or in some of the frats at big SEC schools or schools like SMU or Tulane.

My kid’s roommate is old $$$ billionaire family at his Ivy. They are still sending their kids to Ivies—-FFS ha. They are t all the sudden sending them to Alabama

Ok

But until you’ve set foot on a SEC campus, you aren’t likely to appreciate the wealth there. It’s shocking.

My kid is at a school in the south and the stories they share about their friends and other kids they hang with are unbelievable: the houses, cars, trips, etc. and throwing down credit cards for shopping sprees and parties. It’s not unusual for Daddy and his golf buddies to fly on his private plane for a football game.

We are just the schmuck worker bees aiming for ivies for our kids while those you call dummies are the ones who will own the companies the smart kids will scramble to work for.

Trashy flashy wealth will never be seen as the same as understated wealth, and smart yet not wealthy does better over a lifetime than average and inherited dad’s money. The ivies and elite privates are not fading. You keep telling yourself they are: it won’t make it true.

But it’s not trashy sassy wealthy southerners…unless we’re now calling Philly’s main line, Chicago, NY, CT, etc. the south?

Anyway, my belief is that the bright happy people who know how to have fun typically go the farthest in life…regardless of where they earn their degree. After all, personality trumps everything else.

I agree with you. There are a lot of wealthy families from around the country that are now sending their offspring to Southern Methodist, Texas Christian, High Point, Miami, and Wake Forest. Even Clemson and Alabama. And if they can get in - Vanderbilt and Duke. And it's not trashy flashy money either. It's families in Lake Forest and Westchester County and so on. It's definitely a change from 20 years ago.

Trump voters

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Anonymous wrote:Once upon a time, the Ivies were where the rich and well-connected sent their kids to meet other rich and well-connected kids. The student body has changed tremendously and is now full of first gen kids with no connections and who have completely different backgrounds than the old guard. The Ivies are becoming less appealing to the old guard now that their kids are as likely to rub elbows with other kids of elites at the private dorms or in some of the frats at big SEC schools or schools like SMU or Tulane.

My kid’s roommate is old $$$ billionaire family at his Ivy. They are still sending their kids to Ivies—-FFS ha. They are t all the sudden sending them to Alabama

Ok

But until you’ve set foot on a SEC campus, you aren’t likely to appreciate the wealth there. It’s shocking.

My kid is at a school in the south and the stories they share about their friends and other kids they hang with are unbelievable: the houses, cars, trips, etc. and throwing down credit cards for shopping sprees and parties. It’s not unusual for Daddy and his golf buddies to fly on his private plane for a football game.

We are just the schmuck worker bees aiming for ivies for our kids while those you call dummies are the ones who will own the companies the smart kids will scramble to work for.

Ummm. No.

And California wealth is something else entirely

Wealth can be had owning a chain of restaurants or a sanitation company. Wealth of classmates isn’t a driver for where I send my kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Once upon a time, the Ivies were where the rich and well-connected sent their kids to meet other rich and well-connected kids. The student body has changed tremendously and is now full of first gen kids with no connections and who have completely different backgrounds than the old guard. The Ivies are becoming less appealing to the old guard now that their kids are as likely to rub elbows with other kids of elites at the private dorms or in some of the frats at big SEC schools or schools like SMU or Tulane.

My kid’s roommate is old $$$ billionaire family at his Ivy. They are still sending their kids to Ivies—-FFS ha. They are t all the sudden sending them to Alabama

Ok

But until you’ve set foot on a SEC campus, you aren’t likely to appreciate the wealth there. It’s shocking.

My kid is at a school in the south and the stories they share about their friends and other kids they hang with are unbelievable: the houses, cars, trips, etc. and throwing down credit cards for shopping sprees and parties. It’s not unusual for Daddy and his golf buddies to fly on his private plane for a football game.

We are just the schmuck worker bees aiming for ivies for our kids while those you call dummies are the ones who will own the companies the smart kids will scramble to work for.

Ummm. No.

And California wealth is something else entirely

Wealth can be had owning a chain of restaurants or a sanitation company. Wealth of classmates isn’t a driver for where I send my kids.

Yeah. Those disgusting southern dorm and sorority tik tok videos—not exactly the values I’m teaching at home.

There are posters that love expensive handbags and labels and flashiness. Not things I want to instill in my kids. Talk about striving.

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Anonymous wrote:Once upon a time, the Ivies were where the rich and well-connected sent their kids to meet other rich and well-connected kids. The student body has changed tremendously and is now full of first gen kids with no connections and who have completely different backgrounds than the old guard. The Ivies are becoming less appealing to the old guard now that their kids are as likely to rub elbows with other kids of elites at the private dorms or in some of the frats at big SEC schools or schools like SMU or Tulane.

My kid’s roommate is old $$$ billionaire family at his Ivy. They are still sending their kids to Ivies—-FFS ha. They are t all the sudden sending them to Alabama

Ok

But until you’ve set foot on a SEC campus, you aren’t likely to appreciate the wealth there. It’s shocking.

My kid is at a school in the south and the stories they share about their friends and other kids they hang with are unbelievable: the houses, cars, trips, etc. and throwing down credit cards for shopping sprees and parties. It’s not unusual for Daddy and his golf buddies to fly on his private plane for a football game.

We are just the schmuck worker bees aiming for ivies for our kids while those you call dummies are the ones who will own the companies the smart kids will scramble to work for.

Ummm. No.

And California wealth is something else entirely

Wealth can be had owning a chain of restaurants or a sanitation company. Wealth of classmates isn’t a driver for where I send my kids.

Yeah. Those disgusting southern dorm and sorority tik tok videos—not exactly the values I’m teaching at home.

There are posters that love expensive handbags and labels and flashiness. Not things I want to instill in my kids. Talk about striving.

Jersey housewife $.

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I went to wake and one of my friends dated a girl whose father ran the private prison company. She had gone to school with Reese Withspoon.