Any schools Waitlist data shock you?

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Anonymous wrote:Shocking to me:

Basically shut out of DCI unless feeder or sibling
Huge increase waitlist for Latin and Basis

Because of above, all these new posts from families being shut out and scrambling for middle school and so many posts asking about other poorly performing middle schools.

Also shocking all the posts about being shut out of acceptable high schools and it’s a crap shot.

I’ve never seen anything like it, and i’ve been following DCUM for a number of years.

Your are being sarcastic, right? Nothing about the above is shocking. At all. It's been a perenial challenge for many of us with older ES/tweens/teens for...ever.

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Anonymous wrote:Some factors are: the crumbling of TR and CMI (or, people's willingness to acknowledge it), so more people there are lotterying. No longer having a guarantee at DCI means those families are lotterying. Stuart-Hobson is no longer as easy to get into. So people are making longer lottery lists because they're scared.

Longer lists is probably part of it, but the number of unique 5th grade applicants has been on an upward trend over the past three years, so I would expect that’s part of it as well.

I'm curious about this as well. Are there numbers available yet on the number of unique applicants per grade this year? If this year's rising fifth graders don't have a DCI guarantee and SH isn't taking as many OOB students as it used to, families may be hedging their bets and applying for Latin and Basis for fifth instead of putting all of their stakes on a good enough lottery number for sixth.

I think most rising 5th graders have a DCI guarantee. I can't think of a feeder that has a bigger 4th class than spots.

That may be true now, but most of the DCI feeders are dramatically increasing the size of their primary classes and, when pushed, are acknowledging that this means that there will not be a guarantee for kids entering PK3, PK4, K, or even 1st (at some of the schools) right now. At YY, for example, they told us that kids have lots of middle school options and that because "many" kids will choose to go to MS like Latin or BASIS, there should be enough spaces at DCI available for those kids that want to go there, even when the grades start with 100 students (as they will soon at YY), but that is far from a guarantee and also not reflective of the current reality w/r/t the number of kids waitlisted at MS like Latin and BASIS this year.

MV sent a letter recently saying there will be more kids than spots for the current 4th graders-- 70 spots and 100 kids. So even assuming not everyone applies to DCI, not everyone who applies matches or enrolls, and some kids peel off for Latin and Basis in 5th, it's possible someone could be shut out of DCI. Depending on whether the other Spanish member schools use their full allocation of seats, as well. So it's a really hard thing to predict. But it's not some vague future hypothetical-- for MV and Stokes it's happening now.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1k90Y1NiPfpaGHYuHLAHIdgZA79KiNfLE/view

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Anonymous wrote:Some factors are: the crumbling of TR and CMI (or, people's willingness to acknowledge it), so more people there are lotterying. No longer having a guarantee at DCI means those families are lotterying. Stuart-Hobson is no longer as easy to get into. So people are making longer lottery lists because they're scared.

Longer lists is probably part of it, but the number of unique 5th grade applicants has been on an upward trend over the past three years, so I would expect that’s part of it as well.

I'm curious about this as well. Are there numbers available yet on the number of unique applicants per grade this year? If this year's rising fifth graders don't have a DCI guarantee and SH isn't taking as many OOB students as it used to, families may be hedging their bets and applying for Latin and Basis for fifth instead of putting all of their stakes on a good enough lottery number for sixth.

I think most rising 5th graders have a DCI guarantee. I can't think of a feeder that has a bigger 4th class than spots.

That may be true now, but most of the DCI feeders are dramatically increasing the size of their primary classes and, when pushed, are acknowledging that this means that there will not be a guarantee for kids entering PK3, PK4, K, or even 1st (at some of the schools) right now. At YY, for example, they told us that kids have lots of middle school options and that because "many" kids will choose to go to MS like Latin or BASIS, there should be enough spaces at DCI available for those kids that want to go there, even when the grades start with 100 students (as they will soon at YY), but that is far from a guarantee and also not reflective of the current reality w/r/t the number of kids waitlisted at MS like Latin and BASIS this year.

Sure. But the poster was trying to understand this year's patterns and they can't be explained by kids at DCB or LAMB thinking they might not get a spot at DCI in 6th.

I actually didn't know YY had expanded or was that big, wow.

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Anonymous wrote:Some factors are: the crumbling of TR and CMI (or, people's willingness to acknowledge it), so more people there are lotterying. No longer having a guarantee at DCI means those families are lotterying. Stuart-Hobson is no longer as easy to get into. So people are making longer lottery lists because they're scared.

Longer lists is probably part of it, but the number of unique 5th grade applicants has been on an upward trend over the past three years, so I would expect that’s part of it as well.

I'm curious about this as well. Are there numbers available yet on the number of unique applicants per grade this year? If this year's rising fifth graders don't have a DCI guarantee and SH isn't taking as many OOB students as it used to, families may be hedging their bets and applying for Latin and Basis for fifth instead of putting all of their stakes on a good enough lottery number for sixth.

I think most rising 5th graders have a DCI guarantee. I can't think of a feeder that has a bigger 4th class than spots.

That may be true now, but most of the DCI feeders are dramatically increasing the size of their primary classes and, when pushed, are acknowledging that this means that there will not be a guarantee for kids entering PK3, PK4, K, or even 1st (at some of the schools) right now. At YY, for example, they told us that kids have lots of middle school options and that because "many" kids will choose to go to MS like Latin or BASIS, there should be enough spaces at DCI available for those kids that want to go there, even when the grades start with 100 students (as they will soon at YY), but that is far from a guarantee and also not reflective of the current reality w/r/t the number of kids waitlisted at MS like Latin and BASIS this year.

Sure. But the poster was trying to understand this year's patterns and they can't be explained by kids at DCB or LAMB thinking they might not get a spot at DCI in 6th.

I actually didn't know YY had expanded or was that big, wow.

Depends what is meant by "rising 5th grader"-- at this point in the year I think it means someone who's in 4th grade today. Anyone in 4th at MV or Stokes who isn't a DCI sibling should be concerned and strongly consider other options.

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Anonymous wrote:People suggesting that Latin or BASIS would want the building have never been inside TR4. First off, it isn't a building, it is two buildings across the street from each other. They are ill suited for use as schools and no school would take them over.

If they are truly over leveraged they could solve that problem in a heartbeat by selling those properties to a developer.

That is what will happen. Unfortunately they missed the boat on realizing full value. The MS could have been packaged and developed with either 9 story project on either side, but TR didn't pull the trigger. The ES is on the East side of 4th so it is zoned allowing only 3 stories by right.

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Anonymous wrote:Some factors are: the crumbling of TR and CMI (or, people's willingness to acknowledge it), so more people there are lotterying. No longer having a guarantee at DCI means those families are lotterying. Stuart-Hobson is no longer as easy to get into. So people are making longer lottery lists because they're scared.

Longer lists is probably part of it, but the number of unique 5th grade applicants has been on an upward trend over the past three years, so I would expect that’s part of it as well.

I'm curious about this as well. Are there numbers available yet on the number of unique applicants per grade this year? If this year's rising fifth graders don't have a DCI guarantee and SH isn't taking as many OOB students as it used to, families may be hedging their bets and applying for Latin and Basis for fifth instead of putting all of their stakes on a good enough lottery number for sixth.

I think most rising 5th graders have a DCI guarantee. I can't think of a feeder that has a bigger 4th class than spots.

That may be true now, but most of the DCI feeders are dramatically increasing the size of their primary classes and, when pushed, are acknowledging that this means that there will not be a guarantee for kids entering PK3, PK4, K, or even 1st (at some of the schools) right now. At YY, for example, they told us that kids have lots of middle school options and that because "many" kids will choose to go to MS like Latin or BASIS, there should be enough spaces at DCI available for those kids that want to go there, even when the grades start with 100 students (as they will soon at YY), but that is far from a guarantee and also not reflective of the current reality w/r/t the number of kids waitlisted at MS like Latin and BASIS this year.

MV sent a letter recently saying there will be more kids than spots for the current 4th graders-- 70 spots and 100 kids. So even assuming not everyone applies to DCI, not everyone who applies matches or enrolls, and some kids peel off for Latin and Basis in 5th, it's possible someone could be shut out of DCI. Depending on whether the other Spanish member schools use their full allocation of seats, as well. So it's a really hard thing to predict. But it's not some vague future hypothetical-- for MV and Stokes it's happening now.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1k90Y1NiPfpaGHYuHLAHIdgZA79KiNfLE/view

Wow, and what they don’t say is that about 2/3 of kids have sibling preference, so that really means the 33 kids without preference are fighting for the remaining less five seats.

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Anonymous wrote:Some factors are: the crumbling of TR and CMI (or, people's willingness to acknowledge it), so more people there are lotterying. No longer having a guarantee at DCI means those families are lotterying. Stuart-Hobson is no longer as easy to get into. So people are making longer lottery lists because they're scared.

Longer lists is probably part of it, but the number of unique 5th grade applicants has been on an upward trend over the past three years, so I would expect that’s part of it as well.

I'm curious about this as well. Are there numbers available yet on the number of unique applicants per grade this year? If this year's rising fifth graders don't have a DCI guarantee and SH isn't taking as many OOB students as it used to, families may be hedging their bets and applying for Latin and Basis for fifth instead of putting all of their stakes on a good enough lottery number for sixth.

I think most rising 5th graders have a DCI guarantee. I can't think of a feeder that has a bigger 4th class than spots.

That may be true now, but most of the DCI feeders are dramatically increasing the size of their primary classes and, when pushed, are acknowledging that this means that there will not be a guarantee for kids entering PK3, PK4, K, or even 1st (at some of the schools) right now. At YY, for example, they told us that kids have lots of middle school options and that because "many" kids will choose to go to MS like Latin or BASIS, there should be enough spaces at DCI available for those kids that want to go there, even when the grades start with 100 students (as they will soon at YY), but that is far from a guarantee and also not reflective of the current reality w/r/t the number of kids waitlisted at MS like Latin and BASIS this year.

MV sent a letter recently saying there will be more kids than spots for the current 4th graders-- 70 spots and 100 kids. So even assuming not everyone applies to DCI, not everyone who applies matches or enrolls, and some kids peel off for Latin and Basis in 5th, it's possible someone could be shut out of DCI. Depending on whether the other Spanish member schools use their full allocation of seats, as well. So it's a really hard thing to predict. But it's not some vague future hypothetical-- for MV and Stokes it's happening now.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1k90Y1NiPfpaGHYuHLAHIdgZA79KiNfLE/view

Wow, and what they don’t say is that about 2/3 of kids have sibling preference, so that really means the 33 kids without preference are fighting for the remaining less five seats.

yup - it's the sibling preference on top of the feeder preference that stood out to me. especially because it appears to work in both directions (meaning with both older siblings already at DCI and younger siblings at a feeder).

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Anonymous wrote:Some factors are: the crumbling of TR and CMI (or, people's willingness to acknowledge it), so more people there are lotterying. No longer having a guarantee at DCI means those families are lotterying. Stuart-Hobson is no longer as easy to get into. So people are making longer lottery lists because they're scared.

Longer lists is probably part of it, but the number of unique 5th grade applicants has been on an upward trend over the past three years, so I would expect that’s part of it as well.

I'm curious about this as well. Are there numbers available yet on the number of unique applicants per grade this year? If this year's rising fifth graders don't have a DCI guarantee and SH isn't taking as many OOB students as it used to, families may be hedging their bets and applying for Latin and Basis for fifth instead of putting all of their stakes on a good enough lottery number for sixth.

I think most rising 5th graders have a DCI guarantee. I can't think of a feeder that has a bigger 4th class than spots.

That may be true now, but most of the DCI feeders are dramatically increasing the size of their primary classes and, when pushed, are acknowledging that this means that there will not be a guarantee for kids entering PK3, PK4, K, or even 1st (at some of the schools) right now. At YY, for example, they told us that kids have lots of middle school options and that because "many" kids will choose to go to MS like Latin or BASIS, there should be enough spaces at DCI available for those kids that want to go there, even when the grades start with 100 students (as they will soon at YY), but that is far from a guarantee and also not reflective of the current reality w/r/t the number of kids waitlisted at MS like Latin and BASIS this year.

MV sent a letter recently saying there will be more kids than spots for the current 4th graders-- 70 spots and 100 kids. So even assuming not everyone applies to DCI, not everyone who applies matches or enrolls, and some kids peel off for Latin and Basis in 5th, it's possible someone could be shut out of DCI. Depending on whether the other Spanish member schools use their full allocation of seats, as well. So it's a really hard thing to predict. But it's not some vague future hypothetical-- for MV and Stokes it's happening now.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1k90Y1NiPfpaGHYuHLAHIdgZA79KiNfLE/view

Wow, and what they don’t say is that about 2/3 of kids have sibling preference, so that really means the 33 kids without preference are fighting for the remaining less five seats.

Yup. I do think there will be leftover LAMB seats, so it should work out. But in future years, some of the non-siblings will be outta luck.

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Anonymous wrote:Some factors are: the crumbling of TR and CMI (or, people's willingness to acknowledge it), so more people there are lotterying. No longer having a guarantee at DCI means those families are lotterying. Stuart-Hobson is no longer as easy to get into. So people are making longer lottery lists because they're scared.

Longer lists is probably part of it, but the number of unique 5th grade applicants has been on an upward trend over the past three years, so I would expect that’s part of it as well.

I'm curious about this as well. Are there numbers available yet on the number of unique applicants per grade this year? If this year's rising fifth graders don't have a DCI guarantee and SH isn't taking as many OOB students as it used to, families may be hedging their bets and applying for Latin and Basis for fifth instead of putting all of their stakes on a good enough lottery number for sixth.

I think most rising 5th graders have a DCI guarantee. I can't think of a feeder that has a bigger 4th class than spots.

That may be true now, but most of the DCI feeders are dramatically increasing the size of their primary classes and, when pushed, are acknowledging that this means that there will not be a guarantee for kids entering PK3, PK4, K, or even 1st (at some of the schools) right now. At YY, for example, they told us that kids have lots of middle school options and that because "many" kids will choose to go to MS like Latin or BASIS, there should be enough spaces at DCI available for those kids that want to go there, even when the grades start with 100 students (as they will soon at YY), but that is far from a guarantee and also not reflective of the current reality w/r/t the number of kids waitlisted at MS like Latin and BASIS this year.

MV sent a letter recently saying there will be more kids than spots for the current 4th graders-- 70 spots and 100 kids. So even assuming not everyone applies to DCI, not everyone who applies matches or enrolls, and some kids peel off for Latin and Basis in 5th, it's possible someone could be shut out of DCI. Depending on whether the other Spanish member schools use their full allocation of seats, as well. So it's a really hard thing to predict. But it's not some vague future hypothetical-- for MV and Stokes it's happening now.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1k90Y1NiPfpaGHYuHLAHIdgZA79KiNfLE/view

Wow, and what they don’t say is that about 2/3 of kids have sibling preference, so that really means the 33 kids without preference are fighting for the remaining less five seats.

Yup. I do think there will be leftover LAMB seats, so it should work out. But in future years, some of the non-siblings will be outta luck.

I don't think there will be that many LAMB seats leftover. A few, sure, but LAMB only has 50 seats.

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Anonymous wrote:Some factors are: the crumbling of TR and CMI (or, people's willingness to acknowledge it), so more people there are lotterying. No longer having a guarantee at DCI means those families are lotterying. Stuart-Hobson is no longer as easy to get into. So people are making longer lottery lists because they're scared.

Longer lists is probably part of it, but the number of unique 5th grade applicants has been on an upward trend over the past three years, so I would expect that’s part of it as well.

I'm curious about this as well. Are there numbers available yet on the number of unique applicants per grade this year? If this year's rising fifth graders don't have a DCI guarantee and SH isn't taking as many OOB students as it used to, families may be hedging their bets and applying for Latin and Basis for fifth instead of putting all of their stakes on a good enough lottery number for sixth.

I think most rising 5th graders have a DCI guarantee. I can't think of a feeder that has a bigger 4th class than spots.

That may be true now, but most of the DCI feeders are dramatically increasing the size of their primary classes and, when pushed, are acknowledging that this means that there will not be a guarantee for kids entering PK3, PK4, K, or even 1st (at some of the schools) right now. At YY, for example, they told us that kids have lots of middle school options and that because "many" kids will choose to go to MS like Latin or BASIS, there should be enough spaces at DCI available for those kids that want to go there, even when the grades start with 100 students (as they will soon at YY), but that is far from a guarantee and also not reflective of the current reality w/r/t the number of kids waitlisted at MS like Latin and BASIS this year.

MV sent a letter recently saying there will be more kids than spots for the current 4th graders-- 70 spots and 100 kids. So even assuming not everyone applies to DCI, not everyone who applies matches or enrolls, and some kids peel off for Latin and Basis in 5th, it's possible someone could be shut out of DCI. Depending on whether the other Spanish member schools use their full allocation of seats, as well. So it's a really hard thing to predict. But it's not some vague future hypothetical-- for MV and Stokes it's happening now.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1k90Y1NiPfpaGHYuHLAHIdgZA79KiNfLE/view

Wow, and what they don’t say is that about 2/3 of kids have sibling preference, so that really means the 33 kids without preference are fighting for the remaining less five seats.

Yup. I do think there will be leftover LAMB seats, so it should work out. But in future years, some of the non-siblings will be outta luck.

How many leftover LAMB seats would there be? The MV letter says unused seats won’t make much of an impact because both MV and Stokes are oversubscribed. Then next year it will be LAMB and DCB as well.

Not some non-siblings, most non-siblings. Particularly once they’re past the first few expansion grades.

Has any other feeder put out a communication? I imagine the schools coordinate on big announcements like this.

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Anonymous wrote:Some factors are: the crumbling of TR and CMI (or, people's willingness to acknowledge it), so more people there are lotterying. No longer having a guarantee at DCI means those families are lotterying. Stuart-Hobson is no longer as easy to get into. So people are making longer lottery lists because they're scared.

Longer lists is probably part of it, but the number of unique 5th grade applicants has been on an upward trend over the past three years, so I would expect that’s part of it as well.

I'm curious about this as well. Are there numbers available yet on the number of unique applicants per grade this year? If this year's rising fifth graders don't have a DCI guarantee and SH isn't taking as many OOB students as it used to, families may be hedging their bets and applying for Latin and Basis for fifth instead of putting all of their stakes on a good enough lottery number for sixth.

I think most rising 5th graders have a DCI guarantee. I can't think of a feeder that has a bigger 4th class than spots.

That may be true now, but most of the DCI feeders are dramatically increasing the size of their primary classes and, when pushed, are acknowledging that this means that there will not be a guarantee for kids entering PK3, PK4, K, or even 1st (at some of the schools) right now. At YY, for example, they told us that kids have lots of middle school options and that because "many" kids will choose to go to MS like Latin or BASIS, there should be enough spaces at DCI available for those kids that want to go there, even when the grades start with 100 students (as they will soon at YY), but that is far from a guarantee and also not reflective of the current reality w/r/t the number of kids waitlisted at MS like Latin and BASIS this year.

MV sent a letter recently saying there will be more kids than spots for the current 4th graders-- 70 spots and 100 kids. So even assuming not everyone applies to DCI, not everyone who applies matches or enrolls, and some kids peel off for Latin and Basis in 5th, it's possible someone could be shut out of DCI. Depending on whether the other Spanish member schools use their full allocation of seats, as well. So it's a really hard thing to predict. But it's not some vague future hypothetical-- for MV and Stokes it's happening now.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1k90Y1NiPfpaGHYuHLAHIdgZA79KiNfLE/view

Wow, and what they don’t say is that about 2/3 of kids have sibling preference, so that really means the 33 kids without preference are fighting for the remaining less five seats.

yup - it's the sibling preference on top of the feeder preference that stood out to me. especially because it appears to work in both directions (meaning with both older siblings already at DCI and younger siblings at a feeder).

MSDC says the sibling feeder preference doesn’t apply to sixth grade.

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Anonymous wrote:Some factors are: the crumbling of TR and CMI (or, people's willingness to acknowledge it), so more people there are lotterying. No longer having a guarantee at DCI means those families are lotterying. Stuart-Hobson is no longer as easy to get into. So people are making longer lottery lists because they're scared.

Longer lists is probably part of it, but the number of unique 5th grade applicants has been on an upward trend over the past three years, so I would expect that’s part of it as well.

I'm curious about this as well. Are there numbers available yet on the number of unique applicants per grade this year? If this year's rising fifth graders don't have a DCI guarantee and SH isn't taking as many OOB students as it used to, families may be hedging their bets and applying for Latin and Basis for fifth instead of putting all of their stakes on a good enough lottery number for sixth.

I think most rising 5th graders have a DCI guarantee. I can't think of a feeder that has a bigger 4th class than spots.

That may be true now, but most of the DCI feeders are dramatically increasing the size of their primary classes and, when pushed, are acknowledging that this means that there will not be a guarantee for kids entering PK3, PK4, K, or even 1st (at some of the schools) right now. At YY, for example, they told us that kids have lots of middle school options and that because "many" kids will choose to go to MS like Latin or BASIS, there should be enough spaces at DCI available for those kids that want to go there, even when the grades start with 100 students (as they will soon at YY), but that is far from a guarantee and also not reflective of the current reality w/r/t the number of kids waitlisted at MS like Latin and BASIS this year.

MV sent a letter recently saying there will be more kids than spots for the current 4th graders-- 70 spots and 100 kids. So even assuming not everyone applies to DCI, not everyone who applies matches or enrolls, and some kids peel off for Latin and Basis in 5th, it's possible someone could be shut out of DCI. Depending on whether the other Spanish member schools use their full allocation of seats, as well. So it's a really hard thing to predict. But it's not some vague future hypothetical-- for MV and Stokes it's happening now.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1k90Y1NiPfpaGHYuHLAHIdgZA79KiNfLE/view

Wow, and what they don’t say is that about 2/3 of kids have sibling preference, so that really means the 33 kids without preference are fighting for the remaining less five seats.

Yup. I do think there will be leftover LAMB seats, so it should work out. But in future years, some of the non-siblings will be outta luck.

I didn't realize MV had so many 4th graders and stand corrected. Tho, the 4th graders should still be okay b/c LAMB and DCB have small current 4th grades.

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Anonymous wrote:Some factors are: the crumbling of TR and CMI (or, people's willingness to acknowledge it), so more people there are lotterying. No longer having a guarantee at DCI means those families are lotterying. Stuart-Hobson is no longer as easy to get into. So people are making longer lottery lists because they're scared.

Longer lists is probably part of it, but the number of unique 5th grade applicants has been on an upward trend over the past three years, so I would expect that’s part of it as well.

I'm curious about this as well. Are there numbers available yet on the number of unique applicants per grade this year? If this year's rising fifth graders don't have a DCI guarantee and SH isn't taking as many OOB students as it used to, families may be hedging their bets and applying for Latin and Basis for fifth instead of putting all of their stakes on a good enough lottery number for sixth.

I think most rising 5th graders have a DCI guarantee. I can't think of a feeder that has a bigger 4th class than spots.

That may be true now, but most of the DCI feeders are dramatically increasing the size of their primary classes and, when pushed, are acknowledging that this means that there will not be a guarantee for kids entering PK3, PK4, K, or even 1st (at some of the schools) right now. At YY, for example, they told us that kids have lots of middle school options and that because "many" kids will choose to go to MS like Latin or BASIS, there should be enough spaces at DCI available for those kids that want to go there, even when the grades start with 100 students (as they will soon at YY), but that is far from a guarantee and also not reflective of the current reality w/r/t the number of kids waitlisted at MS like Latin and BASIS this year.

MV sent a letter recently saying there will be more kids than spots for the current 4th graders-- 70 spots and 100 kids. So even assuming not everyone applies to DCI, not everyone who applies matches or enrolls, and some kids peel off for Latin and Basis in 5th, it's possible someone could be shut out of DCI. Depending on whether the other Spanish member schools use their full allocation of seats, as well. So it's a really hard thing to predict. But it's not some vague future hypothetical-- for MV and Stokes it's happening now.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1k90Y1NiPfpaGHYuHLAHIdgZA79KiNfLE/view

Wow, and what they don’t say is that about 2/3 of kids have sibling preference, so that really means the 33 kids without preference are fighting for the remaining less five seats.

yup - it's the sibling preference on top of the feeder preference that stood out to me. especially because it appears to work in both directions (meaning with both older siblings already at DCI and younger siblings at a feeder).

MSDC says the sibling feeder preference doesn’t apply to sixth grade.

Which means at best, it’s 2/3 of the class (say 67 of 100) fighting for about half of the available seats (say 37 of 70). A 50/50 chance may sound fine to a family that won the lottery back in pre-k and have never set foot in a DCPS building, but what’s going to happen when they don’t get in anywhere and have a younger sibling coming up behind them? Time will tell, but I think you’ll have many more families wondering whether all of that supplementing they’re doing in third is worth it for 50/50 odds.

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Anonymous wrote:Some factors are: the crumbling of TR and CMI (or, people's willingness to acknowledge it), so more people there are lotterying. No longer having a guarantee at DCI means those families are lotterying. Stuart-Hobson is no longer as easy to get into. So people are making longer lottery lists because they're scared.

Longer lists is probably part of it, but the number of unique 5th grade applicants has been on an upward trend over the past three years, so I would expect that’s part of it as well.

I'm curious about this as well. Are there numbers available yet on the number of unique applicants per grade this year? If this year's rising fifth graders don't have a DCI guarantee and SH isn't taking as many OOB students as it used to, families may be hedging their bets and applying for Latin and Basis for fifth instead of putting all of their stakes on a good enough lottery number for sixth.

I think most rising 5th graders have a DCI guarantee. I can't think of a feeder that has a bigger 4th class than spots.

That may be true now, but most of the DCI feeders are dramatically increasing the size of their primary classes and, when pushed, are acknowledging that this means that there will not be a guarantee for kids entering PK3, PK4, K, or even 1st (at some of the schools) right now. At YY, for example, they told us that kids have lots of middle school options and that because "many" kids will choose to go to MS like Latin or BASIS, there should be enough spaces at DCI available for those kids that want to go there, even when the grades start with 100 students (as they will soon at YY), but that is far from a guarantee and also not reflective of the current reality w/r/t the number of kids waitlisted at MS like Latin and BASIS this year.

MV sent a letter recently saying there will be more kids than spots for the current 4th graders-- 70 spots and 100 kids. So even assuming not everyone applies to DCI, not everyone who applies matches or enrolls, and some kids peel off for Latin and Basis in 5th, it's possible someone could be shut out of DCI. Depending on whether the other Spanish member schools use their full allocation of seats, as well. So it's a really hard thing to predict. But it's not some vague future hypothetical-- for MV and Stokes it's happening now.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1k90Y1NiPfpaGHYuHLAHIdgZA79KiNfLE/view

Wow, and what they don’t say is that about 2/3 of kids have sibling preference, so that really means the 33 kids without preference are fighting for the remaining less five seats.

Yup. I do think there will be leftover LAMB seats, so it should work out. But in future years, some of the non-siblings will be outta luck.

I didn't realize MV had so many 4th graders and stand corrected. Tho, the 4th graders should still be okay b/c LAMB and DCB have small current 4th grades.

MV between the two campuses took almost 140 kids for PK3 this year (110 of them at MVP. Insanity.)

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Anonymous wrote:Some factors are: the crumbling of TR and CMI (or, people's willingness to acknowledge it), so more people there are lotterying. No longer having a guarantee at DCI means those families are lotterying. Stuart-Hobson is no longer as easy to get into. So people are making longer lottery lists because they're scared.

Longer lists is probably part of it, but the number of unique 5th grade applicants has been on an upward trend over the past three years, so I would expect that’s part of it as well.

I'm curious about this as well. Are there numbers available yet on the number of unique applicants per grade this year? If this year's rising fifth graders don't have a DCI guarantee and SH isn't taking as many OOB students as it used to, families may be hedging their bets and applying for Latin and Basis for fifth instead of putting all of their stakes on a good enough lottery number for sixth.

I think most rising 5th graders have a DCI guarantee. I can't think of a feeder that has a bigger 4th class than spots.

That may be true now, but most of the DCI feeders are dramatically increasing the size of their primary classes and, when pushed, are acknowledging that this means that there will not be a guarantee for kids entering PK3, PK4, K, or even 1st (at some of the schools) right now. At YY, for example, they told us that kids have lots of middle school options and that because "many" kids will choose to go to MS like Latin or BASIS, there should be enough spaces at DCI available for those kids that want to go there, even when the grades start with 100 students (as they will soon at YY), but that is far from a guarantee and also not reflective of the current reality w/r/t the number of kids waitlisted at MS like Latin and BASIS this year.

MV sent a letter recently saying there will be more kids than spots for the current 4th graders-- 70 spots and 100 kids. So even assuming not everyone applies to DCI, not everyone who applies matches or enrolls, and some kids peel off for Latin and Basis in 5th, it's possible someone could be shut out of DCI. Depending on whether the other Spanish member schools use their full allocation of seats, as well. So it's a really hard thing to predict. But it's not some vague future hypothetical-- for MV and Stokes it's happening now.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1k90Y1NiPfpaGHYuHLAHIdgZA79KiNfLE/view

Wow, and what they don’t say is that about 2/3 of kids have sibling preference, so that really means the 33 kids without preference are fighting for the remaining less five seats.

Yup. I do think there will be leftover LAMB seats, so it should work out. But in future years, some of the non-siblings will be outta luck.

I didn't realize MV had so many 4th graders and stand corrected. Tho, the 4th graders should still be okay b/c LAMB and DCB have small current 4th grades.

MV between the two campuses took almost 140 kids for PK3 this year (110 of them at MVP. Insanity.)

That's because their attrition is so dire, they need a ton of PK3s to balance their budget. Don't worry, they won't all stay.