Where are your UNDER 1400 SAT kids going?

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Anonymous wrote:Are the SATs the same as they were in the 90s? I can’t believe I got into an Ivy League school with less than a 1400 back in the day… (forgive the dumb question, my kids aren’t yet seniors so I haven’t gone through the insanity yet.)

Acceptance rate at most Ivies was in the 40% range in late ‘80s/early ‘90s. It’s a different world.

Yep - but even back then people with lower stats were getting in. I got into W&M with a 1320 in 1990 (which in today's standard is considered over 1400), but my roommate at W&M only had a 910. I was a bit astonished because at my northern VA public school, no one under 1300 was getting accepted to W&M at the time. State schools are required to take kids form all over (and many areas of VA will have kids with stats lower than the major metropolitan areas).

The SAT itself has also been overhauled multiple times since the 90s so the scores may not be precisely comparable.

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Anonymous wrote:DD had a 1300. She is a senior at UMD. It was a reach when she applied and I know it’s harder now so perhaps not relevant. But she applied to I think 10 schools and was accepted to all including a lot of small private schools with merit aid, plus Miami of Ohio. So under 1400 isn’t the end of the world. Her brother struggles with paralyzing anxiety on standardized tests and I expect him to top out at 1200 though his goal is 1300. He is considering the non- flagship UNC campuses, Miami of Ohio, Towson, JMU and WVU so far. He is hoping to go TO where possible.

This was basically our DC. ~1300 one-and-done/zero-prep, 4.0UW/4.5W with dozens of DE credits. Enrolling at WVU with $$ merit and is super excited.

Congrats! Curious if they applied elsewhere an got in? Great GPA and showed rigor with DE(but no AP's-maybe none offered). Most definitely could have gone TO, did they?

Only one AP (Euro - Score: 5, as a sophomore)....because the DE program consumes their Junior and Senior year and they had two electives they loved and provided tremendous leadership opportunities. No regrets. Will graduate from CC before HS.

Applied and accepted to all four places: JMU, Longwood, Miami (Ohio), and WVU -- with significant merit everywhere but JMU. Could've gone TO but chose to submit to all, mostly for merit/scholarship (and direct-admittance, where applicable) opportunities.

Sorry for the dumb question, I’m new to this. What is DE?

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Anonymous wrote:DD had a 1300. She is a senior at UMD. It was a reach when she applied and I know it’s harder now so perhaps not relevant. But she applied to I think 10 schools and was accepted to all including a lot of small private schools with merit aid, plus Miami of Ohio. So under 1400 isn’t the end of the world. Her brother struggles with paralyzing anxiety on standardized tests and I expect him to top out at 1200 though his goal is 1300. He is considering the non- flagship UNC campuses, Miami of Ohio, Towson, JMU and WVU so far. He is hoping to go TO where possible.

This was basically our DC. ~1300 one-and-done/zero-prep, 4.0UW/4.5W with dozens of DE credits. Enrolling at WVU with $$ merit and is super excited.

Congrats! Curious if they applied elsewhere an got in? Great GPA and showed rigor with DE(but no AP's-maybe none offered). Most definitely could have gone TO, did they?

Only one AP (Euro - Score: 5, as a sophomore)....because the DE program consumes their Junior and Senior year and they had two electives they loved and provided tremendous leadership opportunities. No regrets. Will graduate from CC before HS.

Applied and accepted to all four places: JMU, Longwood, Miami (Ohio), and WVU -- with significant merit everywhere but JMU. Could've gone TO but chose to submit to all, mostly for merit/scholarship (and direct-admittance, where applicable) opportunities.

Sorry for the dumb question, I’m new to this. What is DE?

dual enrollment

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Anonymous wrote: I had hoped she would apply to small or medium liberal arts colleges on the east coast with better names and status. That's not where the best dance programs were.

Hmm, I was thinking Shenandoah (ShenCo) but they wouldn't fit better name/status school - but a really good dance program on a liberal arts school campus. My daughter didn't wind up applying because she was too intimidated - she's not pre-pro or anything and hasn't been doing 20 hours/week of dance. She enjoys dance, but just isn't at the level so many other dancers applying to those programs are. She was so happy to get offered a spot ANYWHERE. She had several non-audition schools she was looking at, including Lindenwood in MO, Alma in MI, Meredith in NC and ODU in state for us.

Good for her. When I said smaller liberal arts colleges I just really meant all of my own unrealistic projections of where I wish I went thirty years ago!

I have enjoyed visiting campuses with my daughter through this process, with a whole different view than I had (also 30 years ago). I have wound up questioning my list from 30 years ago, too - it seems so random now. I probably would have picked my alma mater or something very similar, but the rest of my list didn't make much sense. For example, I really wanted to continue with marching band, and very few schools I applied to actually had one.

I don't think it's so rare to get hooked into wanting a certain school for a less than rational reason. Many kids if not most, do this. I was just watching the movie, "The Good House" (starring Sigourney Weaver, based on book by Ann Leary, highly recommend) and in the movie her ditzy assistant gets into Dartmouth. She's crazy excited, obviously and then Weaver's character breaks the third wall and says, completely deadpan to the camera, "She just found out she got into an Ivy...she thinks the rest of her life is going to be a cakewalk." Funny and true.

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Poster above, maybe it's the fourth wall.

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter's sat's were just under 1200, gpa was i think 3.85 or so, extracurriculars were good, she applied and did second performance interviews for the department at most of these schools because she's a dance major. She got into almost all she applied to: American, JMU, George Mason, Radnor, VCU. A couple others I can't remember. She ended up choosing Towson and got 2 k in merit aid. She loves it there. She was swiftly rejected by Montclair State in nj in the dance department (though accepted to the school). They are one of the most competitive dance programs in part because all dance majors pay in state tuition even from other states. And it's just a well known program. I had hoped she would apply to small or medium liberal arts colleges on the east coast with better names and status. That's not where the best dance programs were. She knew that and did what she wanted. And it served her well, I'm proud she followed her own plan.

Congrats! Towson’s dance program is awesome. I have a dancer too and she will be looking at some of the same schools. What made you decide on Towson versus JMU? We’re looking at both, and UMD.

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Anonymous wrote:Are they happy? Where did they apply and get in/not get in? Merit anywhere?

Well this might not be relevant as the post says under 1400. Friends DC had a 1400 after several tries, got into Weslyan about 4 years ago, about to graduate. He was a sports recruit btw.

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter's sat's were just under 1200, gpa was i think 3.85 or so, extracurriculars were good, she applied and did second performance interviews for the department at most of these schools because she's a dance major. She got into almost all she applied to: American, JMU, George Mason, Radnor, VCU. A couple others I can't remember. She ended up choosing Towson and got 2 k in merit aid. She loves it there. She was swiftly rejected by Montclair State in nj in the dance department (though accepted to the school). They are one of the most competitive dance programs in part because all dance majors pay in state tuition even from other states. And it's just a well known program. I had hoped she would apply to small or medium liberal arts colleges on the east coast with better names and status. That's not where the best dance programs were. She knew that and did what she wanted. And it served her well, I'm proud she followed her own plan.

Congrats! Towson’s dance program is awesome. I have a dancer too and she will be looking at some of the same schools. What made you decide on Towson versus JMU? We’re looking at both, and UMD.

I am the poster with a child currently deciding - I am curious, as well. Also, to the above poster, your child should also consider Mason (which is highly sought after) and VCU in VA as well as maybe UMBC and Goucher in MD. Oh, and add Shenandoah. Another school just outside of Pittsburgh to consider is Slippery Rock and there are several schools in Philly area (Temple, UArts, Drexel). And then there are ECU, Elon and UNCG in NC.

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Anonymous wrote:Kid submitted a superscored 1400 and is attending a T15 SLAC. Unhooked girl with financial need.

A low income women is a hook

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Anonymous wrote:Are the SATs the same as they were in the 90s? I can’t believe I got into an Ivy League school with less than a 1400 back in the day… (forgive the dumb question, my kids aren’t yet seniors so I haven’t gone through the insanity yet.)

They are not the same...today's scores are higher for two reasons. First, the test was "recentered" in the mid 90s...depending on what you got, you might add 60-80 points to get the equivalent in today's scores. Second, there was no "super scoring" in the 90s and kids did not take the test 3-4 times.

I took the test 3-4 times in the 80s and I'm sure they were still doing that in the 90s.

There was "superscoring" but you had to send all your results so the school could see how you arrived at the score with how many tests.

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NYU with a 1380 and 1 AP. ED and full pay for the win!

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter's sat's were just under 1200, gpa was i think 3.85 or so, extracurriculars were good, she applied and did second performance interviews for the department at most of these schools because she's a dance major. She got into almost all she applied to: American, JMU, George Mason, Radnor, VCU. A couple others I can't remember. She ended up choosing Towson and got 2 k in merit aid. She loves it there. She was swiftly rejected by Montclair State in nj in the dance department (though accepted to the school). They are one of the most competitive dance programs in part because all dance majors pay in state tuition even from other states. And it's just a well known program. I had hoped she would apply to small or medium liberal arts colleges on the east coast with better names and status. That's not where the best dance programs were. She knew that and did what she wanted. And it served her well, I'm proud she followed her own plan.

Congrats! Towson’s dance program is awesome. I have a dancer too and she will be looking at some of the same schools. What made you decide on Towson versus JMU? We’re looking at both, and UMD.

Cost and location were I think, the deciding factors for Towson vs JMU. We live in MD, she received some money from JMU but not very much. She liked Towson a lot and had also been diagnosed with a medical issue so the proximity to St. Joseph's hospital right next door to Towson was also I think reassuring to her (as was staying a bit closer to home...though she never comes home on random weekends). Both are very good! She didn't apply to U of MD, so I know less about the program there. Her friends there love it.

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Purchase in ny is also a well known solid dance program and a common one included in the circuit of schools they all apply to. My cousin's daughter loved it.

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Technically SUNY Purchase

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Anonymous wrote:Kid submitted a superscored 1400 and is attending a T15 SLAC. Unhooked girl with financial need.

A low income women is a hook

Bless your heart. Being a man is a hook for most SLAC because applicant pools skew female. Being full play is a hook.