Name your magical Democratic who would beat Trump?

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Anonymous wrote:Any marginally popular governor of a deep blue state. Laura Kelly or Jared Polis or Andy Beshear or Roy Cooper or Tim Walz

OP here.
1. Who??? Outside of their states they govern, no one know who these folks are.

Did you read the assignment. Who, if they go in the race TODAY would have a chance to beat Trump? Who has the money, the infrastructure, the nation and foreign policy accomplishment and the name recognition to battle Trump? You all are living in a fantasy of what you want from policy and future. I'm talking about reality. Today. Jan. 22, 2024.

So a campaign held today would be won by someone who is currently actively campaigning? With insight like that, you should be a political consultant

I'm saying, anyone claiming that ANY DEMS will win over Biden isn't dealing with the reality that we are in the campaign. So stop complaining and get to work to keep Trump out of the White House.

Biden won in 2020 and will win again IF We ALL DO THE WORK. So man up and stop complaining. Anyone griping who doesn't lift a finger deserves Trump. Self- government means we all need to be involved in some way or any other. If you are on this board, then you have the time and skills to make a few call, write a letter, send postcards.

Stop B ! T C H I N G, start D O I N G.

Um. We all?

How about— Biden and his team does the work to earn the votes? He’s not polling the way he is with young voters because young people are confused or uninformed, he’s polling that way because he’s doing things they disagree with and expecting them to show up anyway.

So maybe he can “start doing” since he’s the leader of the free world and all?

We're citizens not customers. It's on us to do the work to preserve our country.

Wow people like you really don’t expect much from the leaders in your country huh? Trump is a moron, Biden is a dud. Not interested in voting for either. It’s my right to vote for the Green Party and before you blame me, blame your candidate for being such a colossal failure.

Well at least take responsibility for the actual effect of your vote. The third party is not winning so understand that one of the two will win. Your complaints are just whining if you don't exercise your responsibility to do something to get the better candidate. If you can't differentiate between trump and Biden your analytical abilities are very very weak

Gosh I can’t imagine why people feel like the Democratic Party takes them for granted.

She was “whining” they didn’t do anything about her being sent to a parking lot to die?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/01/19/oklahoma-abortion-emtala/


They are “whining” about their lived experiences?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/06/us/politics/biden-trump-black-voters-poll-democrats.html

I have to say with boosters like you Biden might not need detractors.

And your magic fluffy unicorn candidate will change this how, exactly?

At a minimum they won’t have a bunch of people in the country who feel they’ve been de-prioritized by the Biden administration voting against them/staying home.

At maximum they will send the message that you can’t take the votes of women and Black people for granted— and then deliver most of your wins for your usual white male constituents.

Educate yourself about strategy. Biden was not chosen to be the perfect president...he was chosen to beat trump because Hillary lost and lessons were learned.

If your candidate cannot win the general election, it makes zero difference how passionate are the supporters. Trump supporters are about to see 5hus happen for the second time. He is an extremely poor quality candidate in a general election even if some his base will literally commit crimes for him.

So he decided to not address issues people have with his policy? And we are supposed to rejoice? No progress on healthcare, total immigration mess...At what point will people decide that they in fact do not want to keep showing up and voting for the least bad choice?

When do we not vote for the least bad choice? It is always the least bad choice with maybe a few exceptions..... Obama......what are the others? That is how it is.

Many people decide to stay home and not vote rather than do this. Being the candidate against Trump doesn't mean all Democrats/Independents and Republicans who are not far gone to Trumpism are going to show up and vote for Biden. If he does not campaign on improving/changing some of his policies, he is going to lose voters, some to no vote at all.

Vote and complain or don't vote and don't complain. If you don't even participate, quit your crying.

You cannot read. I said several times I am voting for Biden. If anything, maybe you should stop crying about people you overlook in strategy and won't show.

Go out and vote. This is everyone's responsibility. You know who is less likely to be overlooked? Groups and people that can be counted on to vote.

And is the system very responsive to voters? No. But sometimes it is. The right sure figured out how to use the vote to overturn roe. And now those lessons will be learned by the left to fight back. Even the king the destruction of roe himself, Donald trump, now admitted that anti abortion is a losing issue.

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Anonymous wrote:Any marginally popular governor of a deep blue state. Laura Kelly or Jared Polis or Andy Beshear or Roy Cooper or Tim Walz

OP here.
1. Who??? Outside of their states they govern, no one know who these folks are.

Did you read the assignment. Who, if they go in the race TODAY would have a chance to beat Trump? Who has the money, the infrastructure, the nation and foreign policy accomplishment and the name recognition to battle Trump? You all are living in a fantasy of what you want from policy and future. I'm talking about reality. Today. Jan. 22, 2024.

So a campaign held today would be won by someone who is currently actively campaigning? With insight like that, you should be a political consultant

I'm saying, anyone claiming that ANY DEMS will win over Biden isn't dealing with the reality that we are in the campaign. So stop complaining and get to work to keep Trump out of the White House.

Biden won in 2020 and will win again IF We ALL DO THE WORK. So man up and stop complaining. Anyone griping who doesn't lift a finger deserves Trump. Self- government means we all need to be involved in some way or any other. If you are on this board, then you have the time and skills to make a few call, write a letter, send postcards.

Stop B ! T C H I N G, start D O I N G.

Um. We all?

How about— Biden and his team does the work to earn the votes? He’s not polling the way he is with young voters because young people are confused or uninformed, he’s polling that way because he’s doing things they disagree with and expecting them to show up anyway.

So maybe he can “start doing” since he’s the leader of the free world and all?

We're citizens not customers. It's on us to do the work to preserve our country.

Wow people like you really don’t expect much from the leaders in your country huh? Trump is a moron, Biden is a dud. Not interested in voting for either. It’s my right to vote for the Green Party and before you blame me, blame your candidate for being such a colossal failure.

Well at least take responsibility for the actual effect of your vote. The third party is not winning so understand that one of the two will win. Your complaints are just whining if you don't exercise your responsibility to do something to get the better candidate. If you can't differentiate between trump and Biden your analytical abilities are very very weak

Gosh I can’t imagine why people feel like the Democratic Party takes them for granted.

She was “whining” they didn’t do anything about her being sent to a parking lot to die?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/01/19/oklahoma-abortion-emtala/


They are “whining” about their lived experiences?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/06/us/politics/biden-trump-black-voters-poll-democrats.html

I have to say with boosters like you Biden might not need detractors.

And your magic fluffy unicorn candidate will change this how, exactly?

At a minimum they won’t have a bunch of people in the country who feel they’ve been de-prioritized by the Biden administration voting against them/staying home.

At maximum they will send the message that you can’t take the votes of women and Black people for granted— and then deliver most of your wins for your usual white male constituents.

Educate yourself about strategy. Biden was not chosen to be the perfect president...he was chosen to beat trump because Hillary lost and lessons were learned.

If your candidate cannot win the general election, it makes zero difference how passionate are the supporters. Trump supporters are about to see 5hus happen for the second time. He is an extremely poor quality candidate in a general election even if some his base will literally commit crimes for him.

And it looks like your candidate is at risk of not winning the general election.

Why? Because he’s alienating young voters and BIPOC.

So tell him to do better for those groups. He managed to get tons done for white men in this country, now he’s got about ten months to do something for the demographics that elected him.

The bolded contradicts what the Right wing are saying. Their claim is Biden is kow towing to the Left and turning us into a Woke nation. You are claiming that Biden only got tons done for white men. Which is it?

I’m not part of the right wing. The infrastructure bill was meant to keep the construction industry afloat: who are the beneficiaries? UAW? Overwhelmingly white male. Energy? Look at the companies getting funding and tell me who the beneficiaries of these policies are.

Have you seen America's roads and bridges? The Infrastructure bill will provide necessary investments while addressing climate issues and good paying jobs. Will the construction industry benefit? Sure. But again you are being disingenuous to say the bill was mean to keep the construction industry afloat. Also, strengthening unions is a good thing.

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Anonymous wrote:Any marginally popular governor of a deep blue state. Laura Kelly or Jared Polis or Andy Beshear or Roy Cooper or Tim Walz

OP here.
1. Who??? Outside of their states they govern, no one know who these folks are.

Did you read the assignment. Who, if they go in the race TODAY would have a chance to beat Trump? Who has the money, the infrastructure, the nation and foreign policy accomplishment and the name recognition to battle Trump? You all are living in a fantasy of what you want from policy and future. I'm talking about reality. Today. Jan. 22, 2024.

So a campaign held today would be won by someone who is currently actively campaigning? With insight like that, you should be a political consultant

I'm saying, anyone claiming that ANY DEMS will win over Biden isn't dealing with the reality that we are in the campaign. So stop complaining and get to work to keep Trump out of the White House.

Biden won in 2020 and will win again IF We ALL DO THE WORK. So man up and stop complaining. Anyone griping who doesn't lift a finger deserves Trump. Self- government means we all need to be involved in some way or any other. If you are on this board, then you have the time and skills to make a few call, write a letter, send postcards.

Stop B ! T C H I N G, start D O I N G.

Um. We all?

How about— Biden and his team does the work to earn the votes? He’s not polling the way he is with young voters because young people are confused or uninformed, he’s polling that way because he’s doing things they disagree with and expecting them to show up anyway.

So maybe he can “start doing” since he’s the leader of the free world and all?

We're citizens not customers. It's on us to do the work to preserve our country.

Wow people like you really don’t expect much from the leaders in your country huh? Trump is a moron, Biden is a dud. Not interested in voting for either. It’s my right to vote for the Green Party and before you blame me, blame your candidate for being such a colossal failure.

Well at least take responsibility for the actual effect of your vote. The third party is not winning so understand that one of the two will win. Your complaints are just whining if you don't exercise your responsibility to do something to get the better candidate. If you can't differentiate between trump and Biden your analytical abilities are very very weak

Gosh I can’t imagine why people feel like the Democratic Party takes them for granted.

She was “whining” they didn’t do anything about her being sent to a parking lot to die?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/01/19/oklahoma-abortion-emtala/


They are “whining” about their lived experiences?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/06/us/politics/biden-trump-black-voters-poll-democrats.html

I have to say with boosters like you Biden might not need detractors.

And your magic fluffy unicorn candidate will change this how, exactly?

At a minimum they won’t have a bunch of people in the country who feel they’ve been de-prioritized by the Biden administration voting against them/staying home.

At maximum they will send the message that you can’t take the votes of women and Black people for granted— and then deliver most of your wins for your usual white male constituents.

Educate yourself about strategy. Biden was not chosen to be the perfect president...he was chosen to beat trump because Hillary lost and lessons were learned.

If your candidate cannot win the general election, it makes zero difference how passionate are the supporters. Trump supporters are about to see 5hus happen for the second time. He is an extremely poor quality candidate in a general election even if some his base will literally commit crimes for him.

So he decided to not address issues people have with his policy? And we are supposed to rejoice? No progress on healthcare, total immigration mess...At what point will people decide that they in fact do not want to keep showing up and voting for the least bad choice?

When do we not vote for the least bad choice? It is always the least bad choice with maybe a few exceptions..... Obama......what are the others? That is how it is.

Many people decide to stay home and not vote rather than do this. Being the candidate against Trump doesn't mean all Democrats/Independents and Republicans who are not far gone to Trumpism are going to show up and vote for Biden. If he does not campaign on improving/changing some of his policies, he is going to lose voters, some to no vote at all.

Vote and complain or don't vote and don't complain. If you don't even participate, quit your crying.

You cannot read. I said several times I am voting for Biden. If anything, maybe you should stop crying about people you overlook in strategy and won't show.

Go out and vote. This is everyone's responsibility. You know who is less likely to be overlooked? Groups and people that can be counted on to vote.

The most reliable demographic of voter for Democrats is Black Women. It has been that way for more than a decade and they are widely credited with securing Biden the nomination in 2020.

You know who didn’t benefit from that amazing infrastructure bill?

Black women.

You know who isn’t largely represented by the UAW that Biden hasted to support?

Black women.

You know who dies in childbirth more than any other group?

Black women.


But sure. Reliable voters are never overlooked.

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Anonymous wrote:Any marginally popular governor of a deep blue state. Laura Kelly or Jared Polis or Andy Beshear or Roy Cooper or Tim Walz

OP here.
1. Who??? Outside of their states they govern, no one know who these folks are.

Did you read the assignment. Who, if they go in the race TODAY would have a chance to beat Trump? Who has the money, the infrastructure, the nation and foreign policy accomplishment and the name recognition to battle Trump? You all are living in a fantasy of what you want from policy and future. I'm talking about reality. Today. Jan. 22, 2024.

So a campaign held today would be won by someone who is currently actively campaigning? With insight like that, you should be a political consultant

I'm saying, anyone claiming that ANY DEMS will win over Biden isn't dealing with the reality that we are in the campaign. So stop complaining and get to work to keep Trump out of the White House.

Biden won in 2020 and will win again IF We ALL DO THE WORK. So man up and stop complaining. Anyone griping who doesn't lift a finger deserves Trump. Self- government means we all need to be involved in some way or any other. If you are on this board, then you have the time and skills to make a few call, write a letter, send postcards.

Stop B ! T C H I N G, start D O I N G.

Um. We all?

How about— Biden and his team does the work to earn the votes? He’s not polling the way he is with young voters because young people are confused or uninformed, he’s polling that way because he’s doing things they disagree with and expecting them to show up anyway.

So maybe he can “start doing” since he’s the leader of the free world and all?

We're citizens not customers. It's on us to do the work to preserve our country.

Wow people like you really don’t expect much from the leaders in your country huh? Trump is a moron, Biden is a dud. Not interested in voting for either. It’s my right to vote for the Green Party and before you blame me, blame your candidate for being such a colossal failure.

Well at least take responsibility for the actual effect of your vote. The third party is not winning so understand that one of the two will win. Your complaints are just whining if you don't exercise your responsibility to do something to get the better candidate. If you can't differentiate between trump and Biden your analytical abilities are very very weak

Gosh I can’t imagine why people feel like the Democratic Party takes them for granted.

She was “whining” they didn’t do anything about her being sent to a parking lot to die?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/01/19/oklahoma-abortion-emtala/


They are “whining” about their lived experiences?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/06/us/politics/biden-trump-black-voters-poll-democrats.html

I have to say with boosters like you Biden might not need detractors.

And your magic fluffy unicorn candidate will change this how, exactly?

At a minimum they won’t have a bunch of people in the country who feel they’ve been de-prioritized by the Biden administration voting against them/staying home.

At maximum they will send the message that you can’t take the votes of women and Black people for granted— and then deliver most of your wins for your usual white male constituents.

Educate yourself about strategy. Biden was not chosen to be the perfect president...he was chosen to beat trump because Hillary lost and lessons were learned.

If your candidate cannot win the general election, it makes zero difference how passionate are the supporters. Trump supporters are about to see 5hus happen for the second time. He is an extremely poor quality candidate in a general election even if some his base will literally commit crimes for him.

And it looks like your candidate is at risk of not winning the general election.

Why? Because he’s alienating young voters and BIPOC.

So tell him to do better for those groups. He managed to get tons done for white men in this country, now he’s got about ten months to do something for the demographics that elected him.

The bolded contradicts what the Right wing are saying. Their claim is Biden is kow towing to the Left and turning us into a Woke nation. You are claiming that Biden only got tons done for white men. Which is it?

I’m not part of the right wing. The infrastructure bill was meant to keep the construction industry afloat: who are the beneficiaries? UAW? Overwhelmingly white male. Energy? Look at the companies getting funding and tell me who the beneficiaries of these policies are.

Have you seen America's roads and bridges? The Infrastructure bill will provide necessary investments while addressing climate issues and good paying jobs. Will the construction industry benefit? Sure. But again you are being disingenuous to say the bill was mean to keep the construction industry afloat. Also, strengthening unions is a good thing.

The construction industry is the largest beneficiary.

Where’s the billions for mass transit, which is needed for lower income urban voters? Oh here it is:

https://www.vox.com/22621793/public-transit-funding-bipartisan-infrastructure-bill

Falling short of actually improving them.

Who uses mass transit again?

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Nope, reliable voters are NEVER ignored their policy concerns are always taken extremely seriously by this administration:

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/12/22/cornel-west-arab-american-vote-00133137

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Anonymous wrote:Any marginally popular governor of a deep blue state. Laura Kelly or Jared Polis or Andy Beshear or Roy Cooper or Tim Walz

OP here.
1. Who??? Outside of their states they govern, no one know who these folks are.

Did you read the assignment. Who, if they go in the race TODAY would have a chance to beat Trump? Who has the money, the infrastructure, the nation and foreign policy accomplishment and the name recognition to battle Trump? You all are living in a fantasy of what you want from policy and future. I'm talking about reality. Today. Jan. 22, 2024.

So a campaign held today would be won by someone who is currently actively campaigning? With insight like that, you should be a political consultant

I'm saying, anyone claiming that ANY DEMS will win over Biden isn't dealing with the reality that we are in the campaign. So stop complaining and get to work to keep Trump out of the White House.

Biden won in 2020 and will win again IF We ALL DO THE WORK. So man up and stop complaining. Anyone griping who doesn't lift a finger deserves Trump. Self- government means we all need to be involved in some way or any other. If you are on this board, then you have the time and skills to make a few call, write a letter, send postcards.

Stop B ! T C H I N G, start D O I N G.

Um. We all?

How about— Biden and his team does the work to earn the votes? He’s not polling the way he is with young voters because young people are confused or uninformed, he’s polling that way because he’s doing things they disagree with and expecting them to show up anyway.

So maybe he can “start doing” since he’s the leader of the free world and all?

We're citizens not customers. It's on us to do the work to preserve our country.

Wow people like you really don’t expect much from the leaders in your country huh? Trump is a moron, Biden is a dud. Not interested in voting for either. It’s my right to vote for the Green Party and before you blame me, blame your candidate for being such a colossal failure.

Well at least take responsibility for the actual effect of your vote. The third party is not winning so understand that one of the two will win. Your complaints are just whining if you don't exercise your responsibility to do something to get the better candidate. If you can't differentiate between trump and Biden your analytical abilities are very very weak

Gosh I can’t imagine why people feel like the Democratic Party takes them for granted.

She was “whining” they didn’t do anything about her being sent to a parking lot to die?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/01/19/oklahoma-abortion-emtala/


They are “whining” about their lived experiences?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/06/us/politics/biden-trump-black-voters-poll-democrats.html

I have to say with boosters like you Biden might not need detractors.

And your magic fluffy unicorn candidate will change this how, exactly?

At a minimum they won’t have a bunch of people in the country who feel they’ve been de-prioritized by the Biden administration voting against them/staying home.

At maximum they will send the message that you can’t take the votes of women and Black people for granted— and then deliver most of your wins for your usual white male constituents.

Educate yourself about strategy. Biden was not chosen to be the perfect president...he was chosen to beat trump because Hillary lost and lessons were learned.

If your candidate cannot win the general election, it makes zero difference how passionate are the supporters. Trump supporters are about to see 5hus happen for the second time. He is an extremely poor quality candidate in a general election even if some his base will literally commit crimes for him.

So he decided to not address issues people have with his policy? And we are supposed to rejoice? No progress on healthcare, total immigration mess...At what point will people decide that they in fact do not want to keep showing up and voting for the least bad choice?

When do we not vote for the least bad choice? It is always the least bad choice with maybe a few exceptions..... Obama......what are the others? That is how it is.

Many people decide to stay home and not vote rather than do this. Being the candidate against Trump doesn't mean all Democrats/Independents and Republicans who are not far gone to Trumpism are going to show up and vote for Biden. If he does not campaign on improving/changing some of his policies, he is going to lose voters, some to no vote at all.

Vote and complain or don't vote and don't complain. If you don't even participate, quit your crying.

You cannot read. I said several times I am voting for Biden. If anything, maybe you should stop crying about people you overlook in strategy and won't show.

Go out and vote. This is everyone's responsibility. You know who is less likely to be overlooked? Groups and people that can be counted on to vote.

The most reliable demographic of voter for Democrats is Black Women. It has been that way for more than a decade and they are widely credited with securing Biden the nomination in 2020.

You know who didn’t benefit from that amazing infrastructure bill?

Black women.

You know who isn’t largely represented by the UAW that Biden hasted to support?

Black women.

You know who dies in childbirth more than any other group?

Black women.


But sure. Reliable voters are never overlooked.

I don't think the "infrastructure" bill was intended to benefit or not benefit any specific race or sex.

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Anonymous wrote:Gretchen Whitmer

OP here.
1. She's not running.
2. Americas aren't electing a woman right now (I'm a woman)
3. No one outside MI or a political junkie knows who she is

1. You’ve changed your criteria since your OP.
2. Says you, since democrats are pinning all their hopes on abortion and turning out women, maybe have a little more respect?
3. Nikki Haley had an even lower profile

OP here.
1. I’ll give you that. She has show no interest in running. But let’s say she wants to run, sadly #2 still holds. People always find some excuse why to not vote for a woman.

I disagree with you about #2. Look how close Clinton came and frankly Whitmer is a significantly better candidate. Add to that she likely carries Michigan which Biden willingly gave up in order to support Netanyahu, and again, she’s my candidate of preference (once again playing by your original rules not your “the only allowed answer is Biden” rules)

I’m OP. I absolutely LOVE Whitmer. I want her to be President. I’m thrilled no one mentioned Gavin Newsom because we all know yhink he deserves the Presidency. But this is not the time.

No, I’m not saying, “only correct answer is Biden.” I’m really truly trying to get people to accept the reality that AT THIS MOMENT Joe Biden is best positioned to beat Trump.

I wish this weren’t the case.
I wish after Trump tried to overturn our election and incited an insurrection Senate Republicans would have voted to convict him. But they didn’t.
I wish after all but a handful of Maga Trump candidates lost in 22, the GOP would’ve seen that staying close to him they would continue to lose seats. But they didn’t.
I wish after Roe was overturned, MAGA realized that abortion bans were a losing issue, but they didn’t.

Yes, I wish the world was different. But it isn’t.

Then start a thread that says “I want you to vote for Joe Biden”

Don’t start a thread asking for alternatives and then being upset when you’re given alternatives that meet your original criteria. It is— if this is possible on DCUM— disrespectful to the intelligence of the people you’re talking to and certainly not helping anyone’s view of Biden supporters.

OP here. NOPE. The issue is thread after thread, poster chime in with “any other Democrat would beat Trump”.

My post was to tease that out, to get an actual name of who that “any other Dem” might be.

6 pages in and no one has named a candidate that would come close to having the name ID, the infrastructure or the political chops to beat Trump.
I would’ve been All In had somebody named public figure that would have a better chance of beating Trump. This thread only shows there isn’t a stronger candidate or consensus.

The time to complain was a year ago. It is now January 2024. We need to stop complaining and pull on our big boy and big girl panties and get behind Joe Biden.

People named candidates. You then made the new rule they had to be running for president. Only one Democrat is— that’s how a party system works.

So no, no one needs to “stop complaining” that the party doesn’t prioritize them. They need to complain more loudly, in more polls, and to every elected official because it’s very clear that their votes are being taken for granted.

Instead of telling people who Biden has ignored to “stop complaining” why don’t you put on those big girl pants and get your candidate to…do better?

He can call the UN Ambassador tomorrow to stop vetoing SC resolutions on Gaza.

He can mandate family-friendly policies in the Federal government— the country’s largest employer!— tomorrow.

Or he can keep on delivering for white men and hope everyone else will get scolded by someone to “stop complaining!” and come to the polls to keep him in his job.

I DID NOT change the rules. I said name someone who could jump in the race TODAY and beat Trump. Whitmer isn’t going to. Richie Torres isn’t going to. Not today. Maybe in 4 1/2 years. I really hope so!

Please understand not liking your choices doesn’t mean you don’t have one.

From one of your earlier posts:

OP here.
1. She's not running.
2. Americas aren't electing a woman right now (I'm a woman)
3. No one outside MN or a political junkie knows who she is

I guess this just another Biden rah rah rah thread.

OP here. You are correct. My post - she's not running wasn't fair. What I meant was she hasn't signaled that she would run. But I admit, I was wrong. I still stand that Klobcher or Whitmer don't have the name recognition to jump in this late in the game to win. And the premise of my thread was just that. I was asking those posters who keep saying in Jan, 2024 that a "generic Dem" would be better, to name what generic Dem COULD jump in NOW. I was asking who your policy choice is, who you would have liked to have run starting 2023, but WHO NOW? And now pages into this, no one has made a case for anyone who could declare today (pretending we don't have filing deadline) and still beat Trump. Because the election is NOW and still complaining is just mad it's cloudy & raining when you wanted to go to the beach. It sucks but it is what it is.

So again, I was wrong on point 1.

Yes, you were wrong on point one.

Now take that self awareness and apply it to the fact that your argument is not persuasive to people who this administration hasn’t delivered for.

You can scream at us to put on our big girl panties and be grateful for the scraps of Biden’s table

Or

You can work to start delivering for the groups who aren’t feeling like they have a seat at that table. I promise you will get more voters on your side if you, for example, get Biden to bring workplace policies to the federal government that benefit Black women— then talk about it in areas like VA where the federal government is a huge employer.

You will get more voters on your side if you get Biden to do better on Gaza— then go talk about it in Michigan.

But sure you can yell at DCUM.

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Anonymous wrote:Any marginally popular governor of a deep blue state. Laura Kelly or Jared Polis or Andy Beshear or Roy Cooper or Tim Walz

OP here.
1. Who??? Outside of their states they govern, no one know who these folks are.

Did you read the assignment. Who, if they go in the race TODAY would have a chance to beat Trump? Who has the money, the infrastructure, the nation and foreign policy accomplishment and the name recognition to battle Trump? You all are living in a fantasy of what you want from policy and future. I'm talking about reality. Today. Jan. 22, 2024.

So a campaign held today would be won by someone who is currently actively campaigning? With insight like that, you should be a political consultant

I'm saying, anyone claiming that ANY DEMS will win over Biden isn't dealing with the reality that we are in the campaign. So stop complaining and get to work to keep Trump out of the White House.

Biden won in 2020 and will win again IF We ALL DO THE WORK. So man up and stop complaining. Anyone griping who doesn't lift a finger deserves Trump. Self- government means we all need to be involved in some way or any other. If you are on this board, then you have the time and skills to make a few call, write a letter, send postcards.

Stop B ! T C H I N G, start D O I N G.

Um. We all?

How about— Biden and his team does the work to earn the votes? He’s not polling the way he is with young voters because young people are confused or uninformed, he’s polling that way because he’s doing things they disagree with and expecting them to show up anyway.

So maybe he can “start doing” since he’s the leader of the free world and all?

We're citizens not customers. It's on us to do the work to preserve our country.

Wow people like you really don’t expect much from the leaders in your country huh? Trump is a moron, Biden is a dud. Not interested in voting for either. It’s my right to vote for the Green Party and before you blame me, blame your candidate for being such a colossal failure.

Well at least take responsibility for the actual effect of your vote. The third party is not winning so understand that one of the two will win. Your complaints are just whining if you don't exercise your responsibility to do something to get the better candidate. If you can't differentiate between trump and Biden your analytical abilities are very very weak

Gosh I can’t imagine why people feel like the Democratic Party takes them for granted.

She was “whining” they didn’t do anything about her being sent to a parking lot to die?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/01/19/oklahoma-abortion-emtala/


They are “whining” about their lived experiences?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/06/us/politics/biden-trump-black-voters-poll-democrats.html

I have to say with boosters like you Biden might not need detractors.

And your magic fluffy unicorn candidate will change this how, exactly?

At a minimum they won’t have a bunch of people in the country who feel they’ve been de-prioritized by the Biden administration voting against them/staying home.

At maximum they will send the message that you can’t take the votes of women and Black people for granted— and then deliver most of your wins for your usual white male constituents.

Educate yourself about strategy. Biden was not chosen to be the perfect president...he was chosen to beat trump because Hillary lost and lessons were learned.

If your candidate cannot win the general election, it makes zero difference how passionate are the supporters. Trump supporters are about to see 5hus happen for the second time. He is an extremely poor quality candidate in a general election even if some his base will literally commit crimes for him.

So he decided to not address issues people have with his policy? And we are supposed to rejoice? No progress on healthcare, total immigration mess...At what point will people decide that they in fact do not want to keep showing up and voting for the least bad choice?

When do we not vote for the least bad choice? It is always the least bad choice with maybe a few exceptions..... Obama......what are the others? That is how it is.

Many people decide to stay home and not vote rather than do this. Being the candidate against Trump doesn't mean all Democrats/Independents and Republicans who are not far gone to Trumpism are going to show up and vote for Biden. If he does not campaign on improving/changing some of his policies, he is going to lose voters, some to no vote at all.

Vote and complain or don't vote and don't complain. If you don't even participate, quit your crying.

You cannot read. I said several times I am voting for Biden. If anything, maybe you should stop crying about people you overlook in strategy and won't show.

Go out and vote. This is everyone's responsibility. You know who is less likely to be overlooked? Groups and people that can be counted on to vote.

The most reliable demographic of voter for Democrats is Black Women. It has been that way for more than a decade and they are widely credited with securing Biden the nomination in 2020.

You know who didn’t benefit from that amazing infrastructure bill?

Black women.

You know who isn’t largely represented by the UAW that Biden hasted to support?

Black women.

You know who dies in childbirth more than any other group?

Black women.


But sure. Reliable voters are never overlooked.

Back women were seriously harmed by the destruction of roe. That was Trump.

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OP here.
1. She's not running.
2. Americas aren't electing a woman right now (I'm a woman)
3. No one outside MI or a political junkie knows who she is

1. You’ve changed your criteria since your OP.
2. Says you, since democrats are pinning all their hopes on abortion and turning out women, maybe have a little more respect?
3. Nikki Haley had an even lower profile

OP here.
1. I’ll give you that. She has show no interest in running. But let’s say she wants to run, sadly #2 still holds. People always find some excuse why to not vote for a woman.

I disagree with you about #2. Look how close Clinton came and frankly Whitmer is a significantly better candidate. Add to that she likely carries Michigan which Biden willingly gave up in order to support Netanyahu, and again, she’s my candidate of preference (once again playing by your original rules not your “the only allowed answer is Biden” rules)

I’m OP. I absolutely LOVE Whitmer. I want her to be President. I’m thrilled no one mentioned Gavin Newsom because we all know yhink he deserves the Presidency. But this is not the time.

No, I’m not saying, “only correct answer is Biden.” I’m really truly trying to get people to accept the reality that AT THIS MOMENT Joe Biden is best positioned to beat Trump.

I wish this weren’t the case.
I wish after Trump tried to overturn our election and incited an insurrection Senate Republicans would have voted to convict him. But they didn’t.
I wish after all but a handful of Maga Trump candidates lost in 22, the GOP would’ve seen that staying close to him they would continue to lose seats. But they didn’t.
I wish after Roe was overturned, MAGA realized that abortion bans were a losing issue, but they didn’t.

Yes, I wish the world was different. But it isn’t.

Then start a thread that says “I want you to vote for Joe Biden”

Don’t start a thread asking for alternatives and then being upset when you’re given alternatives that meet your original criteria. It is— if this is possible on DCUM— disrespectful to the intelligence of the people you’re talking to and certainly not helping anyone’s view of Biden supporters.

OP here. NOPE. The issue is thread after thread, poster chime in with “any other Democrat would beat Trump”.

My post was to tease that out, to get an actual name of who that “any other Dem” might be.

6 pages in and no one has named a candidate that would come close to having the name ID, the infrastructure or the political chops to beat Trump.
I would’ve been All In had somebody named public figure that would have a better chance of beating Trump. This thread only shows there isn’t a stronger candidate or consensus.

The time to complain was a year ago. It is now January 2024. We need to stop complaining and pull on our big boy and big girl panties and get behind Joe Biden.

People named candidates. You then made the new rule they had to be running for president. Only one Democrat is— that’s how a party system works.

So no, no one needs to “stop complaining” that the party doesn’t prioritize them. They need to complain more loudly, in more polls, and to every elected official because it’s very clear that their votes are being taken for granted.

Instead of telling people who Biden has ignored to “stop complaining” why don’t you put on those big girl pants and get your candidate to…do better?

He can call the UN Ambassador tomorrow to stop vetoing SC resolutions on Gaza.

He can mandate family-friendly policies in the Federal government— the country’s largest employer!— tomorrow.

Or he can keep on delivering for white men and hope everyone else will get scolded by someone to “stop complaining!” and come to the polls to keep him in his job.

I DID NOT change the rules. I said name someone who could jump in the race TODAY and beat Trump. Whitmer isn’t going to. Richie Torres isn’t going to. Not today. Maybe in 4 1/2 years. I really hope so!

Please understand not liking your choices doesn’t mean you don’t have one.

From one of your earlier posts:

OP here.
1. She's not running.
2. Americas aren't electing a woman right now (I'm a woman)
3. No one outside MN or a political junkie knows who she is

I guess this just another Biden rah rah rah thread.

OP here. You are correct. My post - she's not running wasn't fair. What I meant was she hasn't signaled that she would run. But I admit, I was wrong. I still stand that Klobcher or Whitmer don't have the name recognition to jump in this late in the game to win. And the premise of my thread was just that. I was asking those posters who keep saying in Jan, 2024 that a "generic Dem" would be better, to name what generic Dem COULD jump in NOW. I was asking who your policy choice is, who you would have liked to have run starting 2023, but WHO NOW? And now pages into this, no one has made a case for anyone who could declare today (pretending we don't have filing deadline) and still beat Trump. Because the election is NOW and still complaining is just mad it's cloudy & raining when you wanted to go to the beach. It sucks but it is what it is.

So again, I was wrong on point 1.

Yes, you were wrong on point one.

Now take that self awareness and apply it to the fact that your argument is not persuasive to people who this administration hasn’t delivered for.

You can scream at us to put on our big girl panties and be grateful for the scraps of Biden’s table

Or

You can work to start delivering for the groups who aren’t feeling like they have a seat at that table. I promise you will get more voters on your side if you, for example, get Biden to bring workplace policies to the federal government that benefit Black women— then talk about it in areas like VA where the federal government is a huge employer.

You will get more voters on your side if you get Biden to do better on Gaza— then go talk about it in Michigan.

But sure you can yell at DCUM.

I am not affiliated with the campaign nor was the thread trying to convince people to vote for Biden. It was to highlight that the griping that ANY GENERIC DEM could beat Trump is garbage. It's a bad argument and doesn't hold any weight. Again, sorry that you are unhappy but claiming someone else could do a better job is laughable if it weren't so dangerous. Because all this trash talk about Biden will only help Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:Any marginally popular governor of a deep blue state. Laura Kelly or Jared Polis or Andy Beshear or Roy Cooper or Tim Walz

OP here.
1. Who??? Outside of their states they govern, no one know who these folks are.

Did you read the assignment. Who, if they go in the race TODAY would have a chance to beat Trump? Who has the money, the infrastructure, the nation and foreign policy accomplishment and the name recognition to battle Trump? You all are living in a fantasy of what you want from policy and future. I'm talking about reality. Today. Jan. 22, 2024.

So a campaign held today would be won by someone who is currently actively campaigning? With insight like that, you should be a political consultant

I'm saying, anyone claiming that ANY DEMS will win over Biden isn't dealing with the reality that we are in the campaign. So stop complaining and get to work to keep Trump out of the White House.

Biden won in 2020 and will win again IF We ALL DO THE WORK. So man up and stop complaining. Anyone griping who doesn't lift a finger deserves Trump. Self- government means we all need to be involved in some way or any other. If you are on this board, then you have the time and skills to make a few call, write a letter, send postcards.

Stop B ! T C H I N G, start D O I N G.

Um. We all?

How about— Biden and his team does the work to earn the votes? He’s not polling the way he is with young voters because young people are confused or uninformed, he’s polling that way because he’s doing things they disagree with and expecting them to show up anyway.

So maybe he can “start doing” since he’s the leader of the free world and all?

We're citizens not customers. It's on us to do the work to preserve our country.

Wow people like you really don’t expect much from the leaders in your country huh? Trump is a moron, Biden is a dud. Not interested in voting for either. It’s my right to vote for the Green Party and before you blame me, blame your candidate for being such a colossal failure.

Well at least take responsibility for the actual effect of your vote. The third party is not winning so understand that one of the two will win. Your complaints are just whining if you don't exercise your responsibility to do something to get the better candidate. If you can't differentiate between trump and Biden your analytical abilities are very very weak

Gosh I can’t imagine why people feel like the Democratic Party takes them for granted.

She was “whining” they didn’t do anything about her being sent to a parking lot to die?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/01/19/oklahoma-abortion-emtala/


They are “whining” about their lived experiences?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/06/us/politics/biden-trump-black-voters-poll-democrats.html

I have to say with boosters like you Biden might not need detractors.

And your magic fluffy unicorn candidate will change this how, exactly?

At a minimum they won’t have a bunch of people in the country who feel they’ve been de-prioritized by the Biden administration voting against them/staying home.

At maximum they will send the message that you can’t take the votes of women and Black people for granted— and then deliver most of your wins for your usual white male constituents.

Educate yourself about strategy. Biden was not chosen to be the perfect president...he was chosen to beat trump because Hillary lost and lessons were learned.

If your candidate cannot win the general election, it makes zero difference how passionate are the supporters. Trump supporters are about to see 5hus happen for the second time. He is an extremely poor quality candidate in a general election even if some his base will literally commit crimes for him.

So he decided to not address issues people have with his policy? And we are supposed to rejoice? No progress on healthcare, total immigration mess...At what point will people decide that they in fact do not want to keep showing up and voting for the least bad choice?

When do we not vote for the least bad choice? It is always the least bad choice with maybe a few exceptions..... Obama......what are the others? That is how it is.

Many people decide to stay home and not vote rather than do this. Being the candidate against Trump doesn't mean all Democrats/Independents and Republicans who are not far gone to Trumpism are going to show up and vote for Biden. If he does not campaign on improving/changing some of his policies, he is going to lose voters, some to no vote at all.

Vote and complain or don't vote and don't complain. If you don't even participate, quit your crying.

You cannot read. I said several times I am voting for Biden. If anything, maybe you should stop crying about people you overlook in strategy and won't show.

Go out and vote. This is everyone's responsibility. You know who is less likely to be overlooked? Groups and people that can be counted on to vote.

The most reliable demographic of voter for Democrats is Black Women. It has been that way for more than a decade and they are widely credited with securing Biden the nomination in 2020.

You know who didn’t benefit from that amazing infrastructure bill?

Black women.

You know who isn’t largely represented by the UAW that Biden hasted to support?

Black women.

You know who dies in childbirth more than any other group?

Black women.


But sure. Reliable voters are never overlooked.

I don't think the "infrastructure" bill was intended to benefit or not benefit any specific race or sex.

That’s a very naive view. The winners were overwhelmingly men.

You may remember there was a “human infrastructure” bill that was supposed to pass alongside it. It increased funding for caregivers, nurses, preschool teachers.

Biden didn’t make a priority of passing it while his party controlled house and senate, and so it died entirely when the republicans took the house.

But come on preschool teachers making $13/hour. Come on nurses. Put on your big girl panties because obviously you’re never overlooked.

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Anonymous wrote:Gretchen Whitmer

OP here.
1. She's not running.
2. Americas aren't electing a woman right now (I'm a woman)
3. No one outside MI or a political junkie knows who she is

1. You’ve changed your criteria since your OP.
2. Says you, since democrats are pinning all their hopes on abortion and turning out women, maybe have a little more respect?
3. Nikki Haley had an even lower profile

OP here.
1. I’ll give you that. She has show no interest in running. But let’s say she wants to run, sadly #2 still holds. People always find some excuse why to not vote for a woman.

I disagree with you about #2. Look how close Clinton came and frankly Whitmer is a significantly better candidate. Add to that she likely carries Michigan which Biden willingly gave up in order to support Netanyahu, and again, she’s my candidate of preference (once again playing by your original rules not your “the only allowed answer is Biden” rules)

I’m OP. I absolutely LOVE Whitmer. I want her to be President. I’m thrilled no one mentioned Gavin Newsom because we all know yhink he deserves the Presidency. But this is not the time.

No, I’m not saying, “only correct answer is Biden.” I’m really truly trying to get people to accept the reality that AT THIS MOMENT Joe Biden is best positioned to beat Trump.

I wish this weren’t the case.
I wish after Trump tried to overturn our election and incited an insurrection Senate Republicans would have voted to convict him. But they didn’t.
I wish after all but a handful of Maga Trump candidates lost in 22, the GOP would’ve seen that staying close to him they would continue to lose seats. But they didn’t.
I wish after Roe was overturned, MAGA realized that abortion bans were a losing issue, but they didn’t.

Yes, I wish the world was different. But it isn’t.

Then start a thread that says “I want you to vote for Joe Biden”

Don’t start a thread asking for alternatives and then being upset when you’re given alternatives that meet your original criteria. It is— if this is possible on DCUM— disrespectful to the intelligence of the people you’re talking to and certainly not helping anyone’s view of Biden supporters.

OP here. NOPE. The issue is thread after thread, poster chime in with “any other Democrat would beat Trump”.

My post was to tease that out, to get an actual name of who that “any other Dem” might be.

6 pages in and no one has named a candidate that would come close to having the name ID, the infrastructure or the political chops to beat Trump.
I would’ve been All In had somebody named public figure that would have a better chance of beating Trump. This thread only shows there isn’t a stronger candidate or consensus.

The time to complain was a year ago. It is now January 2024. We need to stop complaining and pull on our big boy and big girl panties and get behind Joe Biden.

People named candidates. You then made the new rule they had to be running for president. Only one Democrat is— that’s how a party system works.

So no, no one needs to “stop complaining” that the party doesn’t prioritize them. They need to complain more loudly, in more polls, and to every elected official because it’s very clear that their votes are being taken for granted.

Instead of telling people who Biden has ignored to “stop complaining” why don’t you put on those big girl pants and get your candidate to…do better?

He can call the UN Ambassador tomorrow to stop vetoing SC resolutions on Gaza.

He can mandate family-friendly policies in the Federal government— the country’s largest employer!— tomorrow.

Or he can keep on delivering for white men and hope everyone else will get scolded by someone to “stop complaining!” and come to the polls to keep him in his job.

I DID NOT change the rules. I said name someone who could jump in the race TODAY and beat Trump. Whitmer isn’t going to. Richie Torres isn’t going to. Not today. Maybe in 4 1/2 years. I really hope so!

Please understand not liking your choices doesn’t mean you don’t have one.

From one of your earlier posts:

OP here.
1. She's not running.
2. Americas aren't electing a woman right now (I'm a woman)
3. No one outside MN or a political junkie knows who she is

I guess this just another Biden rah rah rah thread.

OP here. You are correct. My post - she's not running wasn't fair. What I meant was she hasn't signaled that she would run. But I admit, I was wrong. I still stand that Klobcher or Whitmer don't have the name recognition to jump in this late in the game to win. And the premise of my thread was just that. I was asking those posters who keep saying in Jan, 2024 that a "generic Dem" would be better, to name what generic Dem COULD jump in NOW. I was asking who your policy choice is, who you would have liked to have run starting 2023, but WHO NOW? And now pages into this, no one has made a case for anyone who could declare today (pretending we don't have filing deadline) and still beat Trump. Because the election is NOW and still complaining is just mad it's cloudy & raining when you wanted to go to the beach. It sucks but it is what it is.

So again, I was wrong on point 1.

Yes, you were wrong on point one.

Now take that self awareness and apply it to the fact that your argument is not persuasive to people who this administration hasn’t delivered for.

You can scream at us to put on our big girl panties and be grateful for the scraps of Biden’s table

Or

You can work to start delivering for the groups who aren’t feeling like they have a seat at that table. I promise you will get more voters on your side if you, for example, get Biden to bring workplace policies to the federal government that benefit Black women— then talk about it in areas like VA where the federal government is a huge employer.

You will get more voters on your side if you get Biden to do better on Gaza— then go talk about it in Michigan.

But sure you can yell at DCUM.

I am not affiliated with the campaign nor was the thread trying to convince people to vote for Biden. It was to highlight that the griping that ANY GENERIC DEM could beat Trump is garbage because THERE IS NO ONE. It's a bad argument and doesn't hold any weight. Again, sorry that you are unhappy but claiming someone else could do a better job is laughable if it weren't so dangerous. Because all this trash talk about Biden will only help Trump.

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OP here.
1. She's not running.
2. Americas aren't electing a woman right now (I'm a woman)
3. No one outside MI or a political junkie knows who she is

1. You’ve changed your criteria since your OP.
2. Says you, since democrats are pinning all their hopes on abortion and turning out women, maybe have a little more respect?
3. Nikki Haley had an even lower profile

OP here.
1. I’ll give you that. She has show no interest in running. But let’s say she wants to run, sadly #2 still holds. People always find some excuse why to not vote for a woman.

I disagree with you about #2. Look how close Clinton came and frankly Whitmer is a significantly better candidate. Add to that she likely carries Michigan which Biden willingly gave up in order to support Netanyahu, and again, she’s my candidate of preference (once again playing by your original rules not your “the only allowed answer is Biden” rules)

I’m OP. I absolutely LOVE Whitmer. I want her to be President. I’m thrilled no one mentioned Gavin Newsom because we all know yhink he deserves the Presidency. But this is not the time.

No, I’m not saying, “only correct answer is Biden.” I’m really truly trying to get people to accept the reality that AT THIS MOMENT Joe Biden is best positioned to beat Trump.

I wish this weren’t the case.
I wish after Trump tried to overturn our election and incited an insurrection Senate Republicans would have voted to convict him. But they didn’t.
I wish after all but a handful of Maga Trump candidates lost in 22, the GOP would’ve seen that staying close to him they would continue to lose seats. But they didn’t.
I wish after Roe was overturned, MAGA realized that abortion bans were a losing issue, but they didn’t.

Yes, I wish the world was different. But it isn’t.

Then start a thread that says “I want you to vote for Joe Biden”

Don’t start a thread asking for alternatives and then being upset when you’re given alternatives that meet your original criteria. It is— if this is possible on DCUM— disrespectful to the intelligence of the people you’re talking to and certainly not helping anyone’s view of Biden supporters.

OP here. NOPE. The issue is thread after thread, poster chime in with “any other Democrat would beat Trump”.

My post was to tease that out, to get an actual name of who that “any other Dem” might be.

6 pages in and no one has named a candidate that would come close to having the name ID, the infrastructure or the political chops to beat Trump.
I would’ve been All In had somebody named public figure that would have a better chance of beating Trump. This thread only shows there isn’t a stronger candidate or consensus.

The time to complain was a year ago. It is now January 2024. We need to stop complaining and pull on our big boy and big girl panties and get behind Joe Biden.

People named candidates. You then made the new rule they had to be running for president. Only one Democrat is— that’s how a party system works.

So no, no one needs to “stop complaining” that the party doesn’t prioritize them. They need to complain more loudly, in more polls, and to every elected official because it’s very clear that their votes are being taken for granted.

Instead of telling people who Biden has ignored to “stop complaining” why don’t you put on those big girl pants and get your candidate to…do better?

He can call the UN Ambassador tomorrow to stop vetoing SC resolutions on Gaza.

He can mandate family-friendly policies in the Federal government— the country’s largest employer!— tomorrow.

Or he can keep on delivering for white men and hope everyone else will get scolded by someone to “stop complaining!” and come to the polls to keep him in his job.

I DID NOT change the rules. I said name someone who could jump in the race TODAY and beat Trump. Whitmer isn’t going to. Richie Torres isn’t going to. Not today. Maybe in 4 1/2 years. I really hope so!

Please understand not liking your choices doesn’t mean you don’t have one.

From one of your earlier posts:

OP here.
1. She's not running.
2. Americas aren't electing a woman right now (I'm a woman)
3. No one outside MN or a political junkie knows who she is

I guess this just another Biden rah rah rah thread.

OP here. You are correct. My post - she's not running wasn't fair. What I meant was she hasn't signaled that she would run. But I admit, I was wrong. I still stand that Klobcher or Whitmer don't have the name recognition to jump in this late in the game to win. And the premise of my thread was just that. I was asking those posters who keep saying in Jan, 2024 that a "generic Dem" would be better, to name what generic Dem COULD jump in NOW. I was asking who your policy choice is, who you would have liked to have run starting 2023, but WHO NOW? And now pages into this, no one has made a case for anyone who could declare today (pretending we don't have filing deadline) and still beat Trump. Because the election is NOW and still complaining is just mad it's cloudy & raining when you wanted to go to the beach. It sucks but it is what it is.

So again, I was wrong on point 1.

Biden will have no serious challenge for the nomination as long he stays in the race. If he were to drop out of the race, of course we could easily find someone with a better chance of beating Trump but those people will only seek the nomination if Biden is out of the picture. For this reason, this conversation is useless as long as Biden is seeking the nomination.

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OP here.
1. She's not running.
2. Americas aren't electing a woman right now (I'm a woman)
3. No one outside MI or a political junkie knows who she is

1. You’ve changed your criteria since your OP.
2. Says you, since democrats are pinning all their hopes on abortion and turning out women, maybe have a little more respect?
3. Nikki Haley had an even lower profile

OP here.
1. I’ll give you that. She has show no interest in running. But let’s say she wants to run, sadly #2 still holds. People always find some excuse why to not vote for a woman.

I disagree with you about #2. Look how close Clinton came and frankly Whitmer is a significantly better candidate. Add to that she likely carries Michigan which Biden willingly gave up in order to support Netanyahu, and again, she’s my candidate of preference (once again playing by your original rules not your “the only allowed answer is Biden” rules)

I’m OP. I absolutely LOVE Whitmer. I want her to be President. I’m thrilled no one mentioned Gavin Newsom because we all know yhink he deserves the Presidency. But this is not the time.

No, I’m not saying, “only correct answer is Biden.” I’m really truly trying to get people to accept the reality that AT THIS MOMENT Joe Biden is best positioned to beat Trump.

I wish this weren’t the case.
I wish after Trump tried to overturn our election and incited an insurrection Senate Republicans would have voted to convict him. But they didn’t.
I wish after all but a handful of Maga Trump candidates lost in 22, the GOP would’ve seen that staying close to him they would continue to lose seats. But they didn’t.
I wish after Roe was overturned, MAGA realized that abortion bans were a losing issue, but they didn’t.

Yes, I wish the world was different. But it isn’t.

Then start a thread that says “I want you to vote for Joe Biden”

Don’t start a thread asking for alternatives and then being upset when you’re given alternatives that meet your original criteria. It is— if this is possible on DCUM— disrespectful to the intelligence of the people you’re talking to and certainly not helping anyone’s view of Biden supporters.

OP here. NOPE. The issue is thread after thread, poster chime in with “any other Democrat would beat Trump”.

My post was to tease that out, to get an actual name of who that “any other Dem” might be.

6 pages in and no one has named a candidate that would come close to having the name ID, the infrastructure or the political chops to beat Trump.
I would’ve been All In had somebody named public figure that would have a better chance of beating Trump. This thread only shows there isn’t a stronger candidate or consensus.

The time to complain was a year ago. It is now January 2024. We need to stop complaining and pull on our big boy and big girl panties and get behind Joe Biden.

People named candidates. You then made the new rule they had to be running for president. Only one Democrat is— that’s how a party system works.

So no, no one needs to “stop complaining” that the party doesn’t prioritize them. They need to complain more loudly, in more polls, and to every elected official because it’s very clear that their votes are being taken for granted.

Instead of telling people who Biden has ignored to “stop complaining” why don’t you put on those big girl pants and get your candidate to…do better?

He can call the UN Ambassador tomorrow to stop vetoing SC resolutions on Gaza.

He can mandate family-friendly policies in the Federal government— the country’s largest employer!— tomorrow.

Or he can keep on delivering for white men and hope everyone else will get scolded by someone to “stop complaining!” and come to the polls to keep him in his job.

I DID NOT change the rules. I said name someone who could jump in the race TODAY and beat Trump. Whitmer isn’t going to. Richie Torres isn’t going to. Not today. Maybe in 4 1/2 years. I really hope so!

Please understand not liking your choices doesn’t mean you don’t have one.

From one of your earlier posts:

OP here.
1. She's not running.
2. Americas aren't electing a woman right now (I'm a woman)
3. No one outside MN or a political junkie knows who she is

I guess this just another Biden rah rah rah thread.

OP here. You are correct. My post - she's not running wasn't fair. What I meant was she hasn't signaled that she would run. But I admit, I was wrong. I still stand that Klobcher or Whitmer don't have the name recognition to jump in this late in the game to win. And the premise of my thread was just that. I was asking those posters who keep saying in Jan, 2024 that a "generic Dem" would be better, to name what generic Dem COULD jump in NOW. I was asking who your policy choice is, who you would have liked to have run starting 2023, but WHO NOW? And now pages into this, no one has made a case for anyone who could declare today (pretending we don't have filing deadline) and still beat Trump. Because the election is NOW and still complaining is just mad it's cloudy & raining when you wanted to go to the beach. It sucks but it is what it is.

So again, I was wrong on point 1.

Yes, you were wrong on point one.

Now take that self awareness and apply it to the fact that your argument is not persuasive to people who this administration hasn’t delivered for.

You can scream at us to put on our big girl panties and be grateful for the scraps of Biden’s table

Or

You can work to start delivering for the groups who aren’t feeling like they have a seat at that table. I promise you will get more voters on your side if you, for example, get Biden to bring workplace policies to the federal government that benefit Black women— then talk about it in areas like VA where the federal government is a huge employer.

You will get more voters on your side if you get Biden to do better on Gaza— then go talk about it in Michigan.

But sure you can yell at DCUM.

I am not affiliated with the campaign nor was the thread trying to convince people to vote for Biden. It was to highlight that the griping that ANY GENERIC DEM could beat Trump is garbage. It's a bad argument and doesn't hold any weight. Again, sorry that you are unhappy but claiming someone else could do a better job is laughable if it weren't so dangerous. Because all this trash talk about Biden will only help Trump.

Actually all this trash talk about Biden will only help America.

We don’t anoint a president we elect them. So unless we communicate the fact that there is vast dissatisfaction with Biden within the voter base he needs,
We are allowing him to coast to disaster.

His campaign should be scared and his administration should be busy. Instead of scolding about big girl panties every Biden booster should be asking what, in the next 9 months, can Joe Biden do to deliver For You. And then working on that. Working hard— because this is the last nine months he can change anyone’s
mind

And no one— really no one— has ever had their mind changed by someone presenting a fake rhetorical question and then scolding people whose answer she doesn’t like.

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Anonymous wrote:Gretchen Whitmer

OP here.
1. She's not running.
2. Americas aren't electing a woman right now (I'm a woman)
3. No one outside MI or a political junkie knows who she is

1. You’ve changed your criteria since your OP.
2. Says you, since democrats are pinning all their hopes on abortion and turning out women, maybe have a little more respect?
3. Nikki Haley had an even lower profile

OP here.
1. I’ll give you that. She has show no interest in running. But let’s say she wants to run, sadly #2 still holds. People always find some excuse why to not vote for a woman.

I disagree with you about #2. Look how close Clinton came and frankly Whitmer is a significantly better candidate. Add to that she likely carries Michigan which Biden willingly gave up in order to support Netanyahu, and again, she’s my candidate of preference (once again playing by your original rules not your “the only allowed answer is Biden” rules)

I’m OP. I absolutely LOVE Whitmer. I want her to be President. I’m thrilled no one mentioned Gavin Newsom because we all know yhink he deserves the Presidency. But this is not the time.

No, I’m not saying, “only correct answer is Biden.” I’m really truly trying to get people to accept the reality that AT THIS MOMENT Joe Biden is best positioned to beat Trump.

I wish this weren’t the case.
I wish after Trump tried to overturn our election and incited an insurrection Senate Republicans would have voted to convict him. But they didn’t.
I wish after all but a handful of Maga Trump candidates lost in 22, the GOP would’ve seen that staying close to him they would continue to lose seats. But they didn’t.
I wish after Roe was overturned, MAGA realized that abortion bans were a losing issue, but they didn’t.

Yes, I wish the world was different. But it isn’t.

Then start a thread that says “I want you to vote for Joe Biden”

Don’t start a thread asking for alternatives and then being upset when you’re given alternatives that meet your original criteria. It is— if this is possible on DCUM— disrespectful to the intelligence of the people you’re talking to and certainly not helping anyone’s view of Biden supporters.

OP here. NOPE. The issue is thread after thread, poster chime in with “any other Democrat would beat Trump”.

My post was to tease that out, to get an actual name of who that “any other Dem” might be.

6 pages in and no one has named a candidate that would come close to having the name ID, the infrastructure or the political chops to beat Trump.
I would’ve been All In had somebody named public figure that would have a better chance of beating Trump. This thread only shows there isn’t a stronger candidate or consensus.

The time to complain was a year ago. It is now January 2024. We need to stop complaining and pull on our big boy and big girl panties and get behind Joe Biden.

People named candidates. You then made the new rule they had to be running for president. Only one Democrat is— that’s how a party system works.

So no, no one needs to “stop complaining” that the party doesn’t prioritize them. They need to complain more loudly, in more polls, and to every elected official because it’s very clear that their votes are being taken for granted.

Instead of telling people who Biden has ignored to “stop complaining” why don’t you put on those big girl pants and get your candidate to…do better?

He can call the UN Ambassador tomorrow to stop vetoing SC resolutions on Gaza.

He can mandate family-friendly policies in the Federal government— the country’s largest employer!— tomorrow.

Or he can keep on delivering for white men and hope everyone else will get scolded by someone to “stop complaining!” and come to the polls to keep him in his job.

I DID NOT change the rules. I said name someone who could jump in the race TODAY and beat Trump. Whitmer isn’t going to. Richie Torres isn’t going to. Not today. Maybe in 4 1/2 years. I really hope so!

Please understand not liking your choices doesn’t mean you don’t have one.

From one of your earlier posts:

OP here.
1. She's not running.
2. Americas aren't electing a woman right now (I'm a woman)
3. No one outside MN or a political junkie knows who she is

I guess this just another Biden rah rah rah thread.

OP here. You are correct. My post - she's not running wasn't fair. What I meant was she hasn't signaled that she would run. But I admit, I was wrong. I still stand that Klobcher or Whitmer don't have the name recognition to jump in this late in the game to win. And the premise of my thread was just that. I was asking those posters who keep saying in Jan, 2024 that a "generic Dem" would be better, to name what generic Dem COULD jump in NOW. I was asking who your policy choice is, who you would have liked to have run starting 2023, but WHO NOW? And now pages into this, no one has made a case for anyone who could declare today (pretending we don't have filing deadline) and still beat Trump. Because the election is NOW and still complaining is just mad it's cloudy & raining when you wanted to go to the beach. It sucks but it is what it is.

So again, I was wrong on point 1.

Yes, you were wrong on point one.

Now take that self awareness and apply it to the fact that your argument is not persuasive to people who this administration hasn’t delivered for.

You can scream at us to put on our big girl panties and be grateful for the scraps of Biden’s table

Or

You can work to start delivering for the groups who aren’t feeling like they have a seat at that table. I promise you will get more voters on your side if you, for example, get Biden to bring workplace policies to the federal government that benefit Black women— then talk about it in areas like VA where the federal government is a huge employer.

You will get more voters on your side if you get Biden to do better on Gaza— then go talk about it in Michigan.

But sure you can yell at DCUM.

I am not affiliated with the campaign nor was the thread trying to convince people to vote for Biden. It was to highlight that the griping that ANY GENERIC DEM could beat Trump is garbage. It's a bad argument and doesn't hold any weight. Again, sorry that you are unhappy but claiming someone else could do a better job is laughable if it weren't so dangerous. Because all this trash talk about Biden will only help Trump.

Actually all this trash talk about Biden will only help America.

We don’t anoint a president we elect them. So unless we communicate the fact that there is vast dissatisfaction with Biden within the voter base he needs,
We are allowing him to coast to disaster.

His campaign should be scared and his administration should be busy. Instead of scolding about big girl panties every Biden booster should be asking what, in the next 9 months, can Joe Biden do to deliver For You. And then working on that. Working hard— because this is the last nine months he can change anyone’s
mind

And no one— really no one— has ever had their mind changed by someone presenting a fake rhetorical question and then scolding people whose answer she doesn’t like.

Sounds like you want to cut off your nose to spite your face.

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Anonymous wrote:Gretchen Whitmer

OP here.
1. She's not running.
2. Americas aren't electing a woman right now (I'm a woman)
3. No one outside MI or a political junkie knows who she is

1. You’ve changed your criteria since your OP.
2. Says you, since democrats are pinning all their hopes on abortion and turning out women, maybe have a little more respect?
3. Nikki Haley had an even lower profile

OP here.
1. I’ll give you that. She has show no interest in running. But let’s say she wants to run, sadly #2 still holds. People always find some excuse why to not vote for a woman.

I disagree with you about #2. Look how close Clinton came and frankly Whitmer is a significantly better candidate. Add to that she likely carries Michigan which Biden willingly gave up in order to support Netanyahu, and again, she’s my candidate of preference (once again playing by your original rules not your “the only allowed answer is Biden” rules)

I’m OP. I absolutely LOVE Whitmer. I want her to be President. I’m thrilled no one mentioned Gavin Newsom because we all know yhink he deserves the Presidency. But this is not the time.

No, I’m not saying, “only correct answer is Biden.” I’m really truly trying to get people to accept the reality that AT THIS MOMENT Joe Biden is best positioned to beat Trump.

I wish this weren’t the case.
I wish after Trump tried to overturn our election and incited an insurrection Senate Republicans would have voted to convict him. But they didn’t.
I wish after all but a handful of Maga Trump candidates lost in 22, the GOP would’ve seen that staying close to him they would continue to lose seats. But they didn’t.
I wish after Roe was overturned, MAGA realized that abortion bans were a losing issue, but they didn’t.

Yes, I wish the world was different. But it isn’t.

Then start a thread that says “I want you to vote for Joe Biden”

Don’t start a thread asking for alternatives and then being upset when you’re given alternatives that meet your original criteria. It is— if this is possible on DCUM— disrespectful to the intelligence of the people you’re talking to and certainly not helping anyone’s view of Biden supporters.

OP here. NOPE. The issue is thread after thread, poster chime in with “any other Democrat would beat Trump”.

My post was to tease that out, to get an actual name of who that “any other Dem” might be.

6 pages in and no one has named a candidate that would come close to having the name ID, the infrastructure or the political chops to beat Trump.
I would’ve been All In had somebody named public figure that would have a better chance of beating Trump. This thread only shows there isn’t a stronger candidate or consensus.

The time to complain was a year ago. It is now January 2024. We need to stop complaining and pull on our big boy and big girl panties and get behind Joe Biden.

People named candidates. You then made the new rule they had to be running for president. Only one Democrat is— that’s how a party system works.

So no, no one needs to “stop complaining” that the party doesn’t prioritize them. They need to complain more loudly, in more polls, and to every elected official because it’s very clear that their votes are being taken for granted.

Instead of telling people who Biden has ignored to “stop complaining” why don’t you put on those big girl pants and get your candidate to…do better?

He can call the UN Ambassador tomorrow to stop vetoing SC resolutions on Gaza.

He can mandate family-friendly policies in the Federal government— the country’s largest employer!— tomorrow.

Or he can keep on delivering for white men and hope everyone else will get scolded by someone to “stop complaining!” and come to the polls to keep him in his job.

I DID NOT change the rules. I said name someone who could jump in the race TODAY and beat Trump. Whitmer isn’t going to. Richie Torres isn’t going to. Not today. Maybe in 4 1/2 years. I really hope so!

Please understand not liking your choices doesn’t mean you don’t have one.

From one of your earlier posts:

OP here.
1. She's not running.
2. Americas aren't electing a woman right now (I'm a woman)
3. No one outside MN or a political junkie knows who she is

I guess this just another Biden rah rah rah thread.

OP here. You are correct. My post - she's not running wasn't fair. What I meant was she hasn't signaled that she would run. But I admit, I was wrong. I still stand that Klobcher or Whitmer don't have the name recognition to jump in this late in the game to win. And the premise of my thread was just that. I was asking those posters who keep saying in Jan, 2024 that a "generic Dem" would be better, to name what generic Dem COULD jump in NOW. I was asking who your policy choice is, who you would have liked to have run starting 2023, but WHO NOW? And now pages into this, no one has made a case for anyone who could declare today (pretending we don't have filing deadline) and still beat Trump. Because the election is NOW and still complaining is just mad it's cloudy & raining when you wanted to go to the beach. It sucks but it is what it is.

So again, I was wrong on point 1.

Yes, you were wrong on point one.

Now take that self awareness and apply it to the fact that your argument is not persuasive to people who this administration hasn’t delivered for.

You can scream at us to put on our big girl panties and be grateful for the scraps of Biden’s table

Or

You can work to start delivering for the groups who aren’t feeling like they have a seat at that table. I promise you will get more voters on your side if you, for example, get Biden to bring workplace policies to the federal government that benefit Black women— then talk about it in areas like VA where the federal government is a huge employer.

You will get more voters on your side if you get Biden to do better on Gaza— then go talk about it in Michigan.

But sure you can yell at DCUM.

I am not affiliated with the campaign nor was the thread trying to convince people to vote for Biden. It was to highlight that the griping that ANY GENERIC DEM could beat Trump is garbage. It's a bad argument and doesn't hold any weight. Again, sorry that you are unhappy but claiming someone else could do a better job is laughable if it weren't so dangerous. Because all this trash talk about Biden will only help Trump.

Actually all this trash talk about Biden will only help America.

We don’t anoint a president we elect them. So unless we communicate the fact that there is vast dissatisfaction with Biden within the voter base he needs,
We are allowing him to coast to disaster.

His campaign should be scared and his administration should be busy. Instead of scolding about big girl panties every Biden booster should be asking what, in the next 9 months, can Joe Biden do to deliver For You. And then working on that. Working hard— because this is the last nine months he can change anyone’s
mind

And no one— really no one— has ever had their mind changed by someone presenting a fake rhetorical question and then scolding people whose answer she doesn’t like.

At least we all see that there is no magical unicorn candidate that some try to claim is out there.