Meta analysis of Covid Lockdowns

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Anonymous wrote:Can we not? Please? Covid is done, get over it. I'm sick of you people - who never did anything to protect others during the pandemic anyway - complaining about something that happened three years ago.

This. Sorry your ski trip in 2020 got canceled or whatever. Cope.

I went on my ski trip and had a wonderful time.

It's hard for lockdowns to work when people ignore them. You don't get to flout the rules and then complain that they were ineffective

There were no rules preventing people from traveling to ski in another state, if the ski resorts were open.

In any event, I ignored the rules as much as I could because I knew they didn't, and couldn't, work. They went against all prior pandemic planning.

Same. Felt bad friends didn’t know any better and went along with the restrictions. We enjoyed life to the extent possible.

One of the (few) good things about living in the US during the pandemic versus a country like France, was our lack of national restrictions. To avoid the crazy restrictions and rules in a place like DC, we spent a lot of time in places like Florida and Georgia. I'm thankful we live in a country where the Federal government couldn't dictate to everyone how to respond to covid, and that can't forbid travel.

Same here. I have family in Jordan and Dubai. It was out of control there.

Though, I will say that even here in the US, the federal government really did try to forbid travel, and other things. Luckily it was somewhat kept in check.

I have relatives in Canada, and certain provinces would ban people from other provinces from traveling there. Thankfully, Governors and Mayors don't have that power here. And the Federal government doesn't have that power, either. Americans are free to move about this country.

And it’s why we had a higher death rate in this country than those that applied real restrictions. American prioritize #freedumb over health and common good.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we not? Please? Covid is done, get over it. I'm sick of you people - who never did anything to protect others during the pandemic anyway - complaining about something that happened three years ago.

This. Sorry your ski trip in 2020 got canceled or whatever. Cope.

I went on my ski trip and had a wonderful time.

It's hard for lockdowns to work when people ignore them. You don't get to flout the rules and then complain that they were ineffective

There were no rules preventing people from traveling to ski in another state, if the ski resorts were open.

In any event, I ignored the rules as much as I could because I knew they didn't, and couldn't, work. They went against all prior pandemic planning.

Same. Felt bad friends didn’t know any better and went along with the restrictions. We enjoyed life to the extent possible.

One of the (few) good things about living in the US during the pandemic versus a country like France, was our lack of national restrictions. To avoid the crazy restrictions and rules in a place like DC, we spent a lot of time in places like Florida and Georgia. I'm thankful we live in a country where the Federal government couldn't dictate to everyone how to respond to covid, and that can't forbid travel.

Same here. I have family in Jordan and Dubai. It was out of control there.

Though, I will say that even here in the US, the federal government really did try to forbid travel, and other things. Luckily it was somewhat kept in check.

I have relatives in Canada, and certain provinces would ban people from other provinces from traveling there. Thankfully, Governors and Mayors don't have that power here. And the Federal government doesn't have that power, either. Americans are free to move about this country.

And it’s why we had a higher death rate in this country than those that applied real restrictions. American prioritize #freedumb over health and common good.

There's no asterisk at the end of the Constitution that says "Of course, none of this applies if there's a virus."

The pandemic really brought out the wannabe authoritarians on the left. It was disturbing to see supposedly liberal people blather on about "freedumb" being a bad thing.

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Some troll said the SSRN rejected the paper. Surprise surprise a lefty org posing as science rejected something that didn't forward their narrative!

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Anonymous wrote:Some troll said the SSRN rejected the paper. Surprise surprise a lefty org posing as science rejected something that didn't forward their narrative!

Um. You don't know what SSRN is. And the authors sure seemed butt hurt about the rejection given the multipage letter they sent (and included in the report) arguing against the rejection.

SSRN is owned by Elsevier, a Dutch publishing company. It's not a "lefty org." It has no "narrative." It's a global business with $2 billion in net income.

But, sure, it will bug you because it has a Diversity and Inclusion policy.

IEA is garbage.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we not? Please? Covid is done, get over it. I'm sick of you people - who never did anything to protect others during the pandemic anyway - complaining about something that happened three years ago.

This. Sorry your ski trip in 2020 got canceled or whatever. Cope.

I went on my ski trip and had a wonderful time.

It's hard for lockdowns to work when people ignore them. You don't get to flout the rules and then complain that they were ineffective

There were no rules preventing people from traveling to ski in another state, if the ski resorts were open.

In any event, I ignored the rules as much as I could because I knew they didn't, and couldn't, work. They went against all prior pandemic planning.

Same. Felt bad friends didn’t know any better and went along with the restrictions. We enjoyed life to the extent possible.

One of the (few) good things about living in the US during the pandemic versus a country like France, was our lack of national restrictions. To avoid the crazy restrictions and rules in a place like DC, we spent a lot of time in places like Florida and Georgia. I'm thankful we live in a country where the Federal government couldn't dictate to everyone how to respond to covid, and that can't forbid travel.

Same here. I have family in Jordan and Dubai. It was out of control there.

Though, I will say that even here in the US, the federal government really did try to forbid travel, and other things. Luckily it was somewhat kept in check.

I have relatives in Canada, and certain provinces would ban people from other provinces from traveling there. Thankfully, Governors and Mayors don't have that power here. And the Federal government doesn't have that power, either. Americans are free to move about this country.

And it’s why we had a higher death rate in this country than those that applied real restrictions. American prioritize #freedumb over health and common good.

Except, your claim is false.

Contrast Sweden with Spain.

Contrast FL with NY, NJ, IL, PA...

And do so while controlling by % of the population over 60, the main risk factor.

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I love the leftys so cling to their thoughts they were helping they ignore legitimate research and will do anything to discredit any finding that goes against the narrative.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the normie take which 80% of Americans not on DCUM, Twitter, Reddit, 8Chan, or Tumblr think:
1. The lockdowns were a good idea at the time and saved lives initially by flattening the curve, but they went on too long
2. Masks probably were a good idea for a few months, but then became a social problem
3. Warp Speed was a great success that saved a lot of lives, and the vaccines are safe and effective
4. Shutting down schools after spring 2020 was a huge mistake and led to massive learning loss and social problems, which will plague a generation
5. Initially well intentioned and positive programs (eviction freezes, stimmy, giveaways to businesses) went on too long and were too large and caused the current inflation mess
6. There was an information crisis created from both sides (censorship from left and govt, misinformation and pseudoscience from right) that persists and is very bad for democracy

Given that both sides hate the above, it's probably mostly accurate.

This one especially. Any potential benefits that were gained by mask mandates were greatly overshadowed by the alienation and polarization they created. Outdoor mask mandates and masking kids, for examples.

I think if mask mandates were limited to places like medical settings, where people went to get essential services, they wouldn't have been so controversial. But, having mandates in places where people went voluntarily, such as restaurants, really pissed off a lot of people.

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Anonymous wrote:I love the leftys so cling to their thoughts they were helping they ignore legitimate research and will do anything to discredit any finding that goes against the narrative.

It must frustrate you that people are calling bullshit bullshit and that no one is buying your "narrative." I get it. But you're not persuasive. Not even remotely. Nor is the IEA.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we not? Please? Covid is done, get over it. I'm sick of you people - who never did anything to protect others during the pandemic anyway - complaining about something that happened three years ago.

This. Sorry your ski trip in 2020 got canceled or whatever. Cope.

I went on my ski trip and had a wonderful time.

It's hard for lockdowns to work when people ignore them. You don't get to flout the rules and then complain that they were ineffective

There were no rules preventing people from traveling to ski in another state, if the ski resorts were open.

In any event, I ignored the rules as much as I could because I knew they didn't, and couldn't, work. They went against all prior pandemic planning.

Same. Felt bad friends didn’t know any better and went along with the restrictions. We enjoyed life to the extent possible.

One of the (few) good things about living in the US during the pandemic versus a country like France, was our lack of national restrictions. To avoid the crazy restrictions and rules in a place like DC, we spent a lot of time in places like Florida and Georgia. I'm thankful we live in a country where the Federal government couldn't dictate to everyone how to respond to covid, and that can't forbid travel.

Same here. I have family in Jordan and Dubai. It was out of control there.

Though, I will say that even here in the US, the federal government really did try to forbid travel, and other things. Luckily it was somewhat kept in check.

I have relatives in Canada, and certain provinces would ban people from other provinces from traveling there. Thankfully, Governors and Mayors don't have that power here. And the Federal government doesn't have that power, either. Americans are free to move about this country.

And it’s why we had a higher death rate in this country than those that applied real restrictions. American prioritize #freedumb over health and common good.

Except, your claim is false.

Contrast Sweden with Spain.

Contrast FL with NY, NJ, IL, PA...

And do so while controlling by % of the population over 60, the main risk factor.

dp.. the architect of the Swedish response to covid wished he had done things differently and placed more restrictions to save lives.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/03/architect-of-sweden-coronavirus-strategy-admits-too-many-died-anders-tegnell

Sweden’s chief epidemiologist and the architect of its light-touch approach to the coronavirus has acknowledged that the country has had too many deaths from Covid-19 and should have done more to curb the spread of the virus.

Anders Tegnell, who has previously criticised other countries’ strict lockdowns as not sustainable in the long run, told Swedish Radio on Wednesday that there was “quite obviously a potential for improvement in what we have done” in Sweden.

Asked whether too many people in Sweden had died, he replied: “Yes, absolutely,” adding that the country would “have to consider in the future whether there was a way of preventing” such a high toll.

Also, it's not fair to compare the death rate between NY and FL since NY was hit first, and doctors and scientists knew very little regarding how to deal with covid. So, there were way more deaths. Not to mention that covid hit during the colder season and NYC is a lot more dense than most of FL.

FL got hit later when they knew more and there were more tools for them to use against covid. Even with that, they had a lot of deaths. Also, let's remember that FL did not report accurately. "If you don't report, the numbers don't look so bad".

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the normie take which 80% of Americans not on DCUM, Twitter, Reddit, 8Chan, or Tumblr think:
1. The lockdowns were a good idea at the time and saved lives initially by flattening the curve, but they went on too long
2. Masks probably were a good idea for a few months, but then became a social problem
3. Warp Speed was a great success that saved a lot of lives, and the vaccines are safe and effective
4. Shutting down schools after spring 2020 was a huge mistake and led to massive learning loss and social problems, which will plague a generation
5. Initially well intentioned and positive programs (eviction freezes, stimmy, giveaways to businesses) went on too long and were too large and caused the current inflation mess
6. There was an information crisis created from both sides (censorship from left and govt, misinformation and pseudoscience from right) that persists and is very bad for democracy

Given that both sides hate the above, it's probably mostly accurate.

I agree with this. Most people feel this way.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we not? Please? Covid is done, get over it. I'm sick of you people - who never did anything to protect others during the pandemic anyway - complaining about something that happened three years ago.

This. Sorry your ski trip in 2020 got canceled or whatever. Cope.

I went on my ski trip and had a wonderful time.

It's hard for lockdowns to work when people ignore them. You don't get to flout the rules and then complain that they were ineffective

There were no rules preventing people from traveling to ski in another state, if the ski resorts were open.

In any event, I ignored the rules as much as I could because I knew they didn't, and couldn't, work. They went against all prior pandemic planning.

Same. Felt bad friends didn’t know any better and went along with the restrictions. We enjoyed life to the extent possible.

One of the (few) good things about living in the US during the pandemic versus a country like France, was our lack of national restrictions. To avoid the crazy restrictions and rules in a place like DC, we spent a lot of time in places like Florida and Georgia. I'm thankful we live in a country where the Federal government couldn't dictate to everyone how to respond to covid, and that can't forbid travel.

Same here. I have family in Jordan and Dubai. It was out of control there.

Though, I will say that even here in the US, the federal government really did try to forbid travel, and other things. Luckily it was somewhat kept in check.

I have relatives in Canada, and certain provinces would ban people from other provinces from traveling there. Thankfully, Governors and Mayors don't have that power here. And the Federal government doesn't have that power, either. Americans are free to move about this country.

And it’s why we had a higher death rate in this country than those that applied real restrictions. American prioritize #freedumb over health and common good.

Freedom isn’t free.

It’s incredibly sad to make fun of freedom with your #freedumb. What comes to mind are the millions of Americans who lost their lives to protect your freedom, the millions of immigrants who came here in the search for freedom and prosperity, the many civil liberties you have as an American (even compared to Western Europeans!). You won’t be making fun of freedom if you ever lose it.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we not? Please? Covid is done, get over it. I'm sick of you people - who never did anything to protect others during the pandemic anyway - complaining about something that happened three years ago.

This. Sorry your ski trip in 2020 got canceled or whatever. Cope.

I went on my ski trip and had a wonderful time.

It's hard for lockdowns to work when people ignore them. You don't get to flout the rules and then complain that they were ineffective

There were no rules preventing people from traveling to ski in another state, if the ski resorts were open.

In any event, I ignored the rules as much as I could because I knew they didn't, and couldn't, work. They went against all prior pandemic planning.

Same. Felt bad friends didn’t know any better and went along with the restrictions. We enjoyed life to the extent possible.

One of the (few) good things about living in the US during the pandemic versus a country like France, was our lack of national restrictions. To avoid the crazy restrictions and rules in a place like DC, we spent a lot of time in places like Florida and Georgia. I'm thankful we live in a country where the Federal government couldn't dictate to everyone how to respond to covid, and that can't forbid travel.

Same here. I have family in Jordan and Dubai. It was out of control there.

Though, I will say that even here in the US, the federal government really did try to forbid travel, and other things. Luckily it was somewhat kept in check.

I have relatives in Canada, and certain provinces would ban people from other provinces from traveling there. Thankfully, Governors and Mayors don't have that power here. And the Federal government doesn't have that power, either. Americans are free to move about this country.

And it’s why we had a higher death rate in this country than those that applied real restrictions. American prioritize #freedumb over health and common good.

Except, your claim is false.

Contrast Sweden with Spain.

Contrast FL with NY, NJ, IL, PA...

And do so while controlling by % of the population over 60, the main risk factor.

dp.. the architect of the Swedish response to covid wished he had done things differently and placed more restrictions to save lives.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/03/architect-of-sweden-coronavirus-strategy-admits-too-many-died-anders-tegnell

Sweden’s chief epidemiologist and the architect of its light-touch approach to the coronavirus has acknowledged that the country has had too many deaths from Covid-19 and should have done more to curb the spread of the virus.

Anders Tegnell, who has previously criticised other countries’ strict lockdowns as not sustainable in the long run, told Swedish Radio on Wednesday that there was “quite obviously a potential for improvement in what we have done” in Sweden.

Asked whether too many people in Sweden had died, he replied: “Yes, absolutely,” adding that the country would “have to consider in the future whether there was a way of preventing” such a high toll.

Also, it's not fair to compare the death rate between NY and FL since NY was hit first, and doctors and scientists knew very little regarding how to deal with covid. So, there were way more deaths. Not to mention that covid hit during the colder season and NYC is a lot more dense than most of FL.

FL got hit later when they knew more and there were more tools for them to use against covid. Even with that, they had a lot of deaths. Also, let's remember that FL did not report accurately. "If you don't report, the numbers don't look so bad".

Lol, that article on Sweden is from June 2020. Find something more recent.

Keep trying to disprove the statistics ….

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Anonymous wrote:Can we not? Please? Covid is done, get over it. I'm sick of you people - who never did anything to protect others during the pandemic anyway - complaining about something that happened three years ago.

This. Sorry your ski trip in 2020 got canceled or whatever. Cope.

I went on my ski trip and had a wonderful time.

It's hard for lockdowns to work when people ignore them. You don't get to flout the rules and then complain that they were ineffective

There were no rules preventing people from traveling to ski in another state, if the ski resorts were open.

In any event, I ignored the rules as much as I could because I knew they didn't, and couldn't, work. They went against all prior pandemic planning.

that’s not entirely true. for a period of time, movement was restricted in a number of states. in DC you could have been fined or imprisoned for leaving your house to go skiing.

https://coronavirus.dc.gov/stayhome

NP but lol. I guess I should’ve been in jail. I sure enjoyed my trip (not a ski trip but a trip nonetheless) So dumb. Such a complete overreaction.

By all means please keep complaining that the covid restrictions you and many others aggressively ignored didn’t work

A policy that requires 100% participation with no room for error is not a good policy. This is mother nature we're talking about. Either you lock everyone in and weld their doors shut, and 100% completely shut down society, it isn't going to work. No one in the world did this, not even China. It was a ill-fated policy that was never going to work in the first place. Humans CANNOT control mother nature.

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Anonymous wrote:Hospitals were overrun and medical professionals were overworked and burning out. The lockdown prevented the collapse of the medical system. Perhaps the lockdown went longer than it needed to, but it was impossible to predict exactly how covid would evolve.

Right, I think a lot of people have forgotten the "flatten the curve" thing which was one major purpose of lockdowns. It wasn't just to prevent deaths from covid.

Yes, but the UK is ALSO studying the effects of the medical field basically refusing any procedures deemed not an emergency- including but not limited to ongoing cancer treatments and screenings. A recent article came out which I can't find now highlighting in more detail the detrimental effects of the delayed screening and services in terms of actual deaths and those deaths were far higher than any from COVID. If I find it, I will post but here are two that highlight the issue at hand, just not as thoroughly. The UK for all its issues is actually taking a step back and admitting failures versus saying get over it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-65826923.amp
https://www.bma.org.uk/advice-and-support/nhs-delivery-and-workforce/pressures/nhs-backlog-data-analysis

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I think the effects on the medical community can’t be understated. Maybe the lockdowns didn’t move the needle much in terms of overall deaths, but there were a lot of hospital workers falling sick even with the measures that were taken.