Republican controlled states - Limiting college students’ voting rights

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Anonymous wrote:Right, because they don’t want college students voting twice. You must have in state I.d. To prove you’re an actual resident. Students aren’t residents. No conspiracy here. No trampling on rights.

Yep. Makes perfect sense. But I just love the moronic concern trolls, always trying to fear-monger.

As I read the OP, they are just saying you can't use your college id as proof of residence. So if the student wants to vote in the new state, they go get a state id in the new state. If they want to keep their license from their previous state, they vote absentee in the previous state. This is all entirely reasonable and the way it was when I was doing this 30 years ago. I've never heard of a college id as being valid for something like voting. Perhaps I misunderstood something, but as stated in OP this is not an issue. No one seems to be saying they can't vote in new city - just that they need legal id to do so.

If I have a lease, pay utilities, and live in a city most of the year then I'm a resident and have the right vote there.

None of that is true (and it's hilarious that you think "paying utilities" has any sort of significance.

You have got to be kidding? DYK how many government agencies accept leases and utility bills as proof of residence???

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Anonymous wrote:Right, because they don’t want college students voting twice. You must have in state I.d. To prove you’re an actual resident. Students aren’t residents. No conspiracy here. No trampling on rights.

Yep. Makes perfect sense. But I just love the moronic concern trolls, always trying to fear-monger.

As I read the OP, they are just saying you can't use your college id as proof of residence. So if the student wants to vote in the new state, they go get a state id in the new state. If they want to keep their license from their previous state, they vote absentee in the previous state. This is all entirely reasonable and the way it was when I was doing this 30 years ago. I've never heard of a college id as being valid for something like voting. Perhaps I misunderstood something, but as stated in OP this is not an issue. No one seems to be saying they can't vote in new city - just that they need legal id to do so.

If I have a lease, pay utilities, and live in a city most of the year then I'm a resident and have the right vote there.

You don’t pay taxes there and you’re still supported by bank of Mom & Dad, so no.

An 18 yr old who works in the state is paying taxes to that state, even if they are considered a dependent.

My kid works PT, doesn't make a lot, but they still pay taxes.

The notion that paying taxes in a state entitles you to vote there is . . . misplaced. If you're right, all the commuters who live in NJ and work in NYC can vote for the next Mayor?

Come to think of it, I belong to a partnership that requires me to file and pay personal income tax in 18 states. Can I vote in all of them? Or can I just pick which one I'd like to vote in?

NJ/NY, much like DC/MD/VA have reciprocity agreements for tax.

No one said that they can vote in two places, but that if they are living and paying taxes in the state, then they should be able to vote.

Also, your LLP is filing corporate tax, not personal income tax.

-LLC owner

It's not an LLP, it's partnership. I file, and pay, income tax in 18 states.

Surely you understand that "if you live there" has a legal meaning, rather than just "I have classes so I sleep in a dorm room." If a college student can establish residency in the state where they go to school, they can and should. No issue there. But using a school ID to vote in one state while keeping a license and permanent residency isn't OK (and I think that would be self-evident).

11months is living there. Many college students also work PT in that state, and pay taxes on their income.

The issue of instate tuition is slightly different in that you or your parents haven't paid any tax in that state a few years prior to starting college. Most states have a minimum residency prior to starting college for that reason; you haven't paid into the public college to take advantage of in state. My kids are dual citizens with a European country. They cannot get resident tuition because their parent who is a citizen of that country hasn't lived in or paid taxes to that country for several years. The argument about instate tuition is a nonstarter (whoever brought that up).

So, someone in the military who is stationed overseas for a few years shouldn't be able to vote in their state? A college student will have lived longer in that state for 3 years compared to a military person stationed overseas for 3 years. Please tell the military folks overseas that they have no right to vote in their state any longer.

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Anonymous wrote:College students should vote absentee with parents’ address. That’s what my DD does for every election.

I lived in my home state for 2 months in freshman year and then for 1-2 weeks over winter break. Aside, I stayed in the state where my college was located year-round because I got jobs/internships. I was way more invested in the state where my college was located. I had no idea what was happening back home when it came to local elections.

Just saying.

Then change your license.

What's that, you say? You don't have a permanent address in the state in which your college is located?

Oh.

- A democrat

An off-campus rental is a permanent address.

Great. Then change your address, get a license in that state, and vote there. It's not that difficult.

Actually, it is difficult if there is no DMV located near where the student attends college.

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Anonymous wrote:Right, because they don’t want college students voting twice. You must have in state I.d. To prove you’re an actual resident. Students aren’t residents. No conspiracy here. No trampling on rights.

+1 Too easy to vote twice in this country.

No, it's not and few people do it. The most recent examples have trended that these are GOP voters.

Actually, both sides do it.

Please provide your cites for the both sides claim. I have done so for GOP.

Philadelphia. Long tradition of it. Only the naive or willfully ignorant deny it.

Again, cites. Or do you not have internet access @ Four Seasons Landscaping?

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Anonymous wrote:Right, because they don’t want college students voting twice. You must have in state I.d. To prove you’re an actual resident. Students aren’t residents. No conspiracy here. No trampling on rights.

+1 Too easy to vote twice in this country.

No, it's not and few people do it. The most recent examples have trended that these are GOP voters.

Actually, both sides do it.

Please provide your cites for the both sides claim. I have done so for GOP.

Philadelphia. Long tradition of it. Only the naive or willfully ignorant deny it.

Again, cites. Or do you not have internet access @ Four Seasons Landscaping?

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Anonymous wrote:Right, because they don’t want college students voting twice. You must have in state I.d. To prove you’re an actual resident. Students aren’t residents. No conspiracy here. No trampling on rights.

Yep. Makes perfect sense. But I just love the moronic concern trolls, always trying to fear-monger.

As I read the OP, they are just saying you can't use your college id as proof of residence. So if the student wants to vote in the new state, they go get a state id in the new state. If they want to keep their license from their previous state, they vote absentee in the previous state. This is all entirely reasonable and the way it was when I was doing this 30 years ago. I've never heard of a college id as being valid for something like voting. Perhaps I misunderstood something, but as stated in OP this is not an issue. No one seems to be saying they can't vote in new city - just that they need legal id to do so.

Having a state ID or drivers license are not and should not be requirements to vote.

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Anonymous wrote:Right, because they don’t want college students voting twice. You must have in state I.d. To prove you’re an actual resident. Students aren’t residents. No conspiracy here. No trampling on rights.

Yep. Makes perfect sense. But I just love the moronic concern trolls, always trying to fear-monger.

As I read the OP, they are just saying you can't use your college id as proof of residence. So if the student wants to vote in the new state, they go get a state id in the new state. If they want to keep their license from their previous state, they vote absentee in the previous state. This is all entirely reasonable and the way it was when I was doing this 30 years ago. I've never heard of a college id as being valid for something like voting. Perhaps I misunderstood something, but as stated in OP this is not an issue. No one seems to be saying they can't vote in new city - just that they need legal id to do so.

If I have a lease, pay utilities, and live in a city most of the year then I'm a resident and have the right vote there.

You don’t pay taxes there and you’re still supported by bank of Mom & Dad, so no.

An 18 yr old who works in the state is paying taxes to that state, even if they are considered a dependent.

My kid works PT, doesn't make a lot, but they still pay taxes.

The notion that paying taxes in a state entitles you to vote there is . . . misplaced. If you're right, all the commuters who live in NJ and work in NYC can vote for the next Mayor?

Come to think of it, I belong to a partnership that requires me to file and pay personal income tax in 18 states. Can I vote in all of them? Or can I just pick which one I'd like to vote in?

NJ/NY, much like DC/MD/VA have reciprocity agreements for tax.

No one said that they can vote in two places, but that if they are living and paying taxes in the state, then they should be able to vote.

Also, your LLP is filing corporate tax, not personal income tax.

-LLC owner

It's not an LLP, it's partnership. I file, and pay, income tax in 18 states.

Surely you understand that "if you live there" has a legal meaning, rather than just "I have classes so I sleep in a dorm room." If a college student can establish residency in the state where they go to school, they can and should. No issue there. But using a school ID to vote in one state while keeping a license and permanent residency isn't OK (and I think that would be self-evident).

"you" and "I think" are doing a lot of work there.

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Anonymous wrote:Right, because they don’t want college students voting twice. You must have in state I.d. To prove you’re an actual resident. Students aren’t residents. No conspiracy here. No trampling on rights.

Yep. Makes perfect sense. But I just love the moronic concern trolls, always trying to fear-monger.

As I read the OP, they are just saying you can't use your college id as proof of residence. So if the student wants to vote in the new state, they go get a state id in the new state. If they want to keep their license from their previous state, they vote absentee in the previous state. This is all entirely reasonable and the way it was when I was doing this 30 years ago. I've never heard of a college id as being valid for something like voting. Perhaps I misunderstood something, but as stated in OP this is not an issue. No one seems to be saying they can't vote in new city - just that they need legal id to do so.

If I have a lease, pay utilities, and live in a city most of the year then I'm a resident and have the right vote there.

You don’t pay taxes there and you’re still supported by bank of Mom & Dad, so no.

So now lpaying taxes is a requirement to vote as well. Interesting theory. What about all the people like Trump who avoid paying taxes...do they still get to vote?

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Anonymous wrote:Right, because they don’t want college students voting twice. You must have in state I.d. To prove you’re an actual resident. Students aren’t residents. No conspiracy here. No trampling on rights.

Yep. Makes perfect sense. But I just love the moronic concern trolls, always trying to fear-monger.

As I read the OP, they are just saying you can't use your college id as proof of residence. So if the student wants to vote in the new state, they go get a state id in the new state. If they want to keep their license from their previous state, they vote absentee in the previous state. This is all entirely reasonable and the way it was when I was doing this 30 years ago. I've never heard of a college id as being valid for something like voting. Perhaps I misunderstood something, but as stated in OP this is not an issue. No one seems to be saying they can't vote in new city - just that they need legal id to do so.

If I have a lease, pay utilities, and live in a city most of the year then I'm a resident and have the right vote there.

You don’t pay taxes there and you’re still supported by bank of Mom & Dad, so no.

An 18 yr old who works in the state is paying taxes to that state, even if they are considered a dependent.

My kid works PT, doesn't make a lot, but they still pay taxes.

The notion that paying taxes in a state entitles you to vote there is . . . misplaced. If you're right, all the commuters who live in NJ and work in NYC can vote for the next Mayor?

Come to think of it, I belong to a partnership that requires me to file and pay personal income tax in 18 states. Can I vote in all of them? Or can I just pick which one I'd like to vote in?

NJ/NY, much like DC/MD/VA have reciprocity agreements for tax.

No one said that they can vote in two places, but that if they are living and paying taxes in the state, then they should be able to vote.

Also, your LLP is filing corporate tax, not personal income tax.

-LLC owner

It's not an LLP, it's partnership. I file, and pay, income tax in 18 states.

Surely you understand that "if you live there" has a legal meaning, rather than just "I have classes so I sleep in a dorm room." If a college student can establish residency in the state where they go to school, they can and should. No issue there. But using a school ID to vote in one state while keeping a license and permanent residency isn't OK (and I think that would be self-evident).

"you" and "I think" are doing a lot of work there.

Take a step back. Who, anywhere, ever said this is what college students were doing. "Alternatively, if you maintain a permanent or temporary[i] residence in the state where you attend college, you can change your voter registration to that state so you can vote in person. You can update your voter registration via mail, online, at a government facility, or, in some states, over the phone.

Note that registering to vote in more than one state is illegal

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Anonymous wrote:Right, because they don’t want college students voting twice. You must have in state I.d. To prove you’re an actual resident. Students aren’t residents. No conspiracy here. No trampling on rights.

Yep. Makes perfect sense. But I just love the moronic concern trolls, always trying to fear-monger.

As I read the OP, they are just saying you can't use your college id as proof of residence. So if the student wants to vote in the new state, they go get a state id in the new state. If they want to keep their license from their previous state, they vote absentee in the previous state. This is all entirely reasonable and the way it was when I was doing this 30 years ago. I've never heard of a college id as being valid for something like voting. Perhaps I misunderstood something, but as stated in OP this is not an issue. No one seems to be saying they can't vote in new city - just that they need legal id to do so.

If I have a lease, pay utilities, and live in a city most of the year then I'm a resident and have the right vote there.

None of that is true (and it's hilarious that you think "paying utilities" has any sort of significance.

Renters are allowed to vote, dumbo.

Of course they are - if that's their permanent address. If I rent a place in DC for 2 4 weeks around election day, it doesn't entitle me to vote there. (And again, utilities are utterly irrelevant.)

How long do you need to live at an address to vote?

And what about people who are homeless....I guess they don't get to vote.

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Anonymous wrote:Right, because they don’t want college students voting twice. You must have in state I.d. To prove you’re an actual resident. Students aren’t residents. No conspiracy here. No trampling on rights.

Yep. Makes perfect sense. But I just love the moronic concern trolls, always trying to fear-monger.

As I read the OP, they are just saying you can't use your college id as proof of residence. So if the student wants to vote in the new state, they go get a state id in the new state. If they want to keep their license from their previous state, they vote absentee in the previous state. This is all entirely reasonable and the way it was when I was doing this 30 years ago. I've never heard of a college id as being valid for something like voting. Perhaps I misunderstood something, but as stated in OP this is not an issue. No one seems to be saying they can't vote in new city - just that they need legal id to do so.

If I have a lease, pay utilities, and live in a city most of the year then I'm a resident and have the right vote there.

You don’t pay taxes there and you’re still supported by bank of Mom & Dad, so no.

An 18 yr old who works in the state is paying taxes to that state, even if they are considered a dependent.

My kid works PT, doesn't make a lot, but they still pay taxes.

The notion that paying taxes in a state entitles you to vote there is . . . misplaced. If you're right, all the commuters who live in NJ and work in NYC can vote for the next Mayor?

Come to think of it, I belong to a partnership that requires me to file and pay personal income tax in 18 states. Can I vote in all of them? Or can I just pick which one I'd like to vote in?

NJ/NY, much like DC/MD/VA have reciprocity agreements for tax.

No one said that they can vote in two places, but that if they are living and paying taxes in the state, then they should be able to vote.

Also, your LLP is filing corporate tax, not personal income tax.

-LLC owner

It's not an LLP, it's partnership. I file, and pay, income tax in 18 states.

Surely you understand that "if you live there" has a legal meaning, rather than just "I have classes so I sleep in a dorm room." If a college student can establish residency in the state where they go to school, they can and should. No issue there. But using a school ID to vote in one state while keeping a license and permanent residency isn't OK (and I think that would be self-evident).

11months is living there. Many college students also work PT in that state, and pay taxes on their income.

The issue of instate tuition is slightly different in that you or your parents haven't paid any tax in that state a few years prior to starting college. Most states have a minimum residency prior to starting college for that reason; you haven't paid into the public college to take advantage of in state. My kids are dual citizens with a European country. They cannot get resident tuition because their parent who is a citizen of that country hasn't lived in or paid taxes to that country for several years. The argument about instate tuition is a nonstarter (whoever brought that up).

So, someone in the military who is stationed overseas for a few years shouldn't be able to vote in their state? A college student will have lived longer in that state for 3 years compared to a military person stationed overseas for 3 years. Please tell the military folks overseas that they have no right to vote in their state any longer.

I didn't bring up instate tuition, so I have no opinion on that.

First, members of the military can pick which state in which they were previously stationed to keep as their residence. I have friends who kept Alaska as their residence for a decade because of the PFD payments. It's silly to compare college students to military members.

But more importantly, you've completely missed the point, which I have helpfully bolded above for you. If a student can meet the existing requirements for residence, go ahead and register. But simply flashing a college ID shouldn't be sufficient, because for many students, it isn't. It's not evidence, on its own, of anything.

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Anonymous wrote:Right, because they don’t want college students voting twice. You must have in state I.d. To prove you’re an actual resident. Students aren’t residents. No conspiracy here. No trampling on rights.

Yep. Makes perfect sense. But I just love the moronic concern trolls, always trying to fear-monger.

As I read the OP, they are just saying you can't use your college id as proof of residence. So if the student wants to vote in the new state, they go get a state id in the new state. If they want to keep their license from their previous state, they vote absentee in the previous state. This is all entirely reasonable and the way it was when I was doing this 30 years ago. I've never heard of a college id as being valid for something like voting. Perhaps I misunderstood something, but as stated in OP this is not an issue. No one seems to be saying they can't vote in new city - just that they need legal id to do so.

If I have a lease, pay utilities, and live in a city most of the year then I'm a resident and have the right vote there.

You don’t pay taxes there and you’re still supported by bank of Mom & Dad, so no.

An 18 yr old who works in the state is paying taxes to that state, even if they are considered a dependent.

My kid works PT, doesn't make a lot, but they still pay taxes.

The notion that paying taxes in a state entitles you to vote there is . . . misplaced. If you're right, all the commuters who live in NJ and work in NYC can vote for the next Mayor?

Come to think of it, I belong to a partnership that requires me to file and pay personal income tax in 18 states. Can I vote in all of them? Or can I just pick which one I'd like to vote in?

NJ/NY, much like DC/MD/VA have reciprocity agreements for tax.

No one said that they can vote in two places, but that if they are living and paying taxes in the state, then they should be able to vote.

Also, your LLP is filing corporate tax, not personal income tax.

-LLC owner

It's not an LLP, it's partnership. I file, and pay, income tax in 18 states.

Surely you understand that "if you live there" has a legal meaning, rather than just "I have classes so I sleep in a dorm room." If a college student can establish residency in the state where they go to school, they can and should. No issue there. But using a school ID to vote in one state while keeping a license and permanent residency isn't OK (and I think that would be self-evident).

"you" and "I think" are doing a lot of work there.

Take a step back. Who, anywhere, ever said this is what college students were doing. "Alternatively, if you maintain a permanent or temporary[i] residence in the state where you attend college, you can change your voter registration to that state so you can vote in person. You can update your voter registration via mail, online, at a government facility, or, in some states, over the phone.

Note that registering to vote in more than one state is illegal

That is actually not true, only voting in multiple places is illegal. A individual cannot help it if a prior registration has not been voiced despite having moved months or years hence.

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Anonymous wrote:Right, because they don’t want college students voting twice. You must have in state I.d. To prove you’re an actual resident. Students aren’t residents. No conspiracy here. No trampling on rights.

Yep. Makes perfect sense. But I just love the moronic concern trolls, always trying to fear-monger.

As I read the OP, they are just saying you can't use your college id as proof of residence. So if the student wants to vote in the new state, they go get a state id in the new state. If they want to keep their license from their previous state, they vote absentee in the previous state. This is all entirely reasonable and the way it was when I was doing this 30 years ago. I've never heard of a college id as being valid for something like voting. Perhaps I misunderstood something, but as stated in OP this is not an issue. No one seems to be saying they can't vote in new city - just that they need legal id to do so.

If I have a lease, pay utilities, and live in a city most of the year then I'm a resident and have the right vote there.

You don’t pay taxes there and you’re still supported by bank of Mom & Dad, so no.

An 18 yr old who works in the state is paying taxes to that state, even if they are considered a dependent.

My kid works PT, doesn't make a lot, but they still pay taxes.

The notion that paying taxes in a state entitles you to vote there is . . . misplaced. If you're right, all the commuters who live in NJ and work in NYC can vote for the next Mayor?

Come to think of it, I belong to a partnership that requires me to file and pay personal income tax in 18 states. Can I vote in all of them? Or can I just pick which one I'd like to vote in?

NJ/NY, much like DC/MD/VA have reciprocity agreements for tax.

No one said that they can vote in two places, but that if they are living and paying taxes in the state, then they should be able to vote.

Also, your LLP is filing corporate tax, not personal income tax.

-LLC owner

It's not an LLP, it's partnership. I file, and pay, income tax in 18 states.

Surely you understand that "if you live there" has a legal meaning, rather than just "I have classes so I sleep in a dorm room." If a college student can establish residency in the state where they go to school, they can and should. No issue there. But using a school ID to vote in one state while keeping a license and permanent residency isn't OK (and I think that would be self-evident).

11months is living there. Many college students also work PT in that state, and pay taxes on their income.

The issue of instate tuition is slightly different in that you or your parents haven't paid any tax in that state a few years prior to starting college. Most states have a minimum residency prior to starting college for that reason; you haven't paid into the public college to take advantage of in state. My kids are dual citizens with a European country. They cannot get resident tuition because their parent who is a citizen of that country hasn't lived in or paid taxes to that country for several years. The argument about instate tuition is a nonstarter (whoever brought that up).

So, someone in the military who is stationed overseas for a few years shouldn't be able to vote in their state? A college student will have lived longer in that state for 3 years compared to a military person stationed overseas for 3 years. Please tell the military folks overseas that they have no right to vote in their state any longer.

I didn't bring up instate tuition, so I have no opinion on that.

First, members of the military can pick which state in which they were previously stationed to keep as their residence. I have friends who kept Alaska as their residence for a decade because of the PFD payments. It's silly to compare college students to military members.

But more importantly, you've completely missed the point, which I have helpfully bolded above for you. If a student can meet the existing requirements for residence, go ahead and register. But simply flashing a college ID shouldn't be sufficient, because for many students, it isn't. It's not evidence, on its own, of anything.

Why?

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Anonymous wrote:College students should vote absentee with parents’ address. That’s what my DD does for every election.

I lived in my home state for 2 months in freshman year and then for 1-2 weeks over winter break. Aside, I stayed in the state where my college was located year-round because I got jobs/internships. I was way more invested in the state where my college was located. I had no idea what was happening back home when it came to local elections.

Just saying.

So, we have this cool thing called the internet now.