MCPS Teachers Quitting? Who is replacing them?

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Anonymous wrote:I left last year. I’m even Nationally Board Certified and decided to call it quits. All I ever wanted to be was a teacher and I naively went into this profession thinking I’d change the world. I didn’t even mind working overtime and on weekends because this is my passion. But sadly I learned it’s not worth the low pay and constant harassment from parents, kids, and unsupportive admin. Still miss what it used to be, but the climate and system have changed and it’s become so toxic.

Yep, also NBCT and I'm done after this year. Today while restraining a child, they threatened to bite me and all I could think of was the time off I'd get if he did.

It's time to go.

Last year (and this year), I wished I could get Covid so I'd get 5 days off. I was jealous of my fellow teachers who did. Sad but true.

PP here and you can't believe how many times I tried to will that rapid test to a positive.

Also lmao to the person who told me to educate myself about loan forgiveness. You're wrong

I posted a link to the rules. Teachers work for the government and are eligible for public service loan forgiveness just like any other public servant. If you would rather argue with me than read the rules and get your loans forgiven, that's on you.

Yep, you know better than me, a teacher who's been doing this and been denied. Ty for your hard work in posting a link

Teachers are eligible for PSLF. I don't know know why you were denied, but I know teachers who got their loans forgiven.

Yes they probably worked at title 1 schools

No, they don't.

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Any U.S. federal, state, local, or tribal government agency is considered a government employer for the PSLF Program. This includes employers such as the U.S. military, public elementary and secondary schools
, public colleges and universities, public child and family service agencies, and special governmental districts (including entities such as public transportation, water, bridge district, or housing authorities).

The specific job that you perform doesn’t matter, as long as you’re employed by a qualifying employer. For example, if you’re a full-time employee of a public school system, your employment would meet the requirements for PSLF, regardless of your position (teacher, administrator, support staff, etc.).

I am a teacher who does not teach over the summer break. If I make payments during the summer, do those payments count toward PSLF?

Payments you make during the summer will count if you have a contract for an employment period of at least eight months and you work an average of 30 hours per week during that period, and if your employer still considers you to be employed full-time during the summer break. Of course, the payments must otherwise meet all PSLF requirements. In this circumstance, your employer should include the dates of the summer break when reporting your dates of employment on the PSLF form, even though you aren’t actually teaching during that period.

https://studentaid.gov/manage-loans/forgiveness-cancellation/public-service/questions

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The pension is after *30* years and none of your experience in other states counts.

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PSLF has no requirement to work in a Title I school, you are confusing it with another program.

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Anonymous wrote:The pension is after *30* years and none of your experience in other states counts.

A pension is something you pay into. If you paid into another state system you can get a pension from there. But it is also designed to incentivise people to stay in one state, so there are costs to moving around.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not in MCPS, but I'm a teacher who quit. I was extremely successful and every single year my students made about a year and a half worth of growth. I was definitely underpaid, results or not. But, I was so demoralized when I left that it's really difficult to come up with a number that might have gotten me to stay. The entire education system has to change.

And I truly believe that in the next 5-10 years, schools won't be able to remain open. I think it is extremely realistic to imagine parents will be getting robo calls on Sunday nights to learn their school won't be able to open that week because there isn't staff to open safely. I think it's realistic to think that high schools won't be able to offer ANY clubs, sports, AP classes, etc, and that academic classes will have 80-200 kids in them, lecture style. I suspect online learning will be the norm for people who can afford a sahp and internet and everyone else will be screwed. I think buildings are going to close, most of the education programs in universities will close (the ones that haven't already). I think students with special needs won't be getting any services. The system is crumbling and is far worse than any parent I know realizes.

This is actually a good thing. Give families the money and the market will educate. New Americans already do this with cram schools - Kumon, mathnasium. In MCPS this is where real education happens anyways. Let’s cut out the middleman. Product of Buffalo public schools and taught kids/used cram schools during pandemic But realize places like MCPS need to close. So much better than public school. RIP.

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Anonymous wrote:I left last year. I’m even Nationally Board Certified and decided to call it quits. All I ever wanted to be was a teacher and I naively went into this profession thinking I’d change the world. I didn’t even mind working overtime and on weekends because this is my passion. But sadly I learned it’s not worth the low pay and constant harassment from parents, kids, and unsupportive admin. Still miss what it used to be, but the climate and system have changed and it’s become so toxic.

Yep, also NBCT and I'm done after this year. Today while restraining a child, they threatened to bite me and all I could think of was the time off I'd get if he did.

It's time to go.

Last year (and this year), I wished I could get Covid so I'd get 5 days off. I was jealous of my fellow teachers who did. Sad but true.

PP here and you can't believe how many times I tried to will that rapid test to a positive.

Also lmao to the person who told me to educate myself about loan forgiveness. You're wrong

I posted a link to the rules. Teachers work for the government and are eligible for public service loan forgiveness just like any other public servant. If you would rather argue with me than read the rules and get your loans forgiven, that's on you.

Yep, you know better than me, a teacher who's been doing this and been denied. Ty for your hard work in posting a link

Teachers are eligible for PSLF. I don't know know why you were denied, but I know teachers who got their loans forgiven.

I had my pains forgiven through PSLF but it required consolidating with the dept of Ed at the very beginning of the 10 years of payments. The rules are so strict that if something is missed or the consolidation doesn’t take place, they won’t approve it.

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Anonymous wrote:I left last year. I’m even Nationally Board Certified and decided to call it quits. All I ever wanted to be was a teacher and I naively went into this profession thinking I’d change the world. I didn’t even mind working overtime and on weekends because this is my passion. But sadly I learned it’s not worth the low pay and constant harassment from parents, kids, and unsupportive admin. Still miss what it used to be, but the climate and system have changed and it’s become so toxic.

Yep, also NBCT and I'm done after this year. Today while restraining a child, they threatened to bite me and all I could think of was the time off I'd get if he did.

It's time to go.

Last year (and this year), I wished I could get Covid so I'd get 5 days off. I was jealous of my fellow teachers who did. Sad but true.

PP here and you can't believe how many times I tried to will that rapid test to a positive.

Also lmao to the person who told me to educate myself about loan forgiveness. You're wrong

I posted a link to the rules. Teachers work for the government and are eligible for public service loan forgiveness just like any other public servant. If you would rather argue with me than read the rules and get your loans forgiven, that's on you.

Yep, you know better than me, a teacher who's been doing this and been denied. Ty for your hard work in posting a link

Teachers are eligible for PSLF. I don't know know why you were denied, but I know teachers who got their loans forgiven.

Yes they probably worked at title 1 schools

I worked in a title 1 and got denied. I consolidated my loans in to a new loan due to a lower interest rate and that disqualified me since they weren’t the original staffers loans at that point.

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Anonymous wrote:I left last year. I’m even Nationally Board Certified and decided to call it quits. All I ever wanted to be was a teacher and I naively went into this profession thinking I’d change the world. I didn’t even mind working overtime and on weekends because this is my passion. But sadly I learned it’s not worth the low pay and constant harassment from parents, kids, and unsupportive admin. Still miss what it used to be, but the climate and system have changed and it’s become so toxic.

Yep, also NBCT and I'm done after this year. Today while restraining a child, they threatened to bite me and all I could think of was the time off I'd get if he did.

It's time to go.

Last year (and this year), I wished I could get Covid so I'd get 5 days off. I was jealous of my fellow teachers who did. Sad but true.

PP here and you can't believe how many times I tried to will that rapid test to a positive.

Also lmao to the person who told me to educate myself about loan forgiveness. You're wrong

I posted a link to the rules. Teachers work for the government and are eligible for public service loan forgiveness just like any other public servant. If you would rather argue with me than read the rules and get your loans forgiven, that's on you.

Yep, you know better than me, a teacher who's been doing this and been denied. Ty for your hard work in posting a link

Teachers are eligible for PSLF. I don't know know why you were denied, but I know teachers who got their loans forgiven.

Yes they probably worked at title 1 schools

I worked in a title 1 and got denied. I consolidated my loans in to a new loan due to a lower interest rate and that disqualified me since they weren’t the original staffers loans at that point.

Yes, you do have follow the rules in order to qualify for forgiveness. That is true for everyone, not just teachers.

Sometimes I wonder, am I the only person who bothers to read the rules? Like I get that some people had bad servicers and got rejected for BS reasons. But it was very clear to me from the beginning that loan consolidation would delay forgiveness. Read the rules people.

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You can't blame all of this on COVID but it certainly didn't help. The salaries are huge in central office and they just keep adding more of them. Someone needs to dig deep on that. They wouldn't even have to dig very far. Most of the people hired in the last two years don't even know what their jobs are.

Teachers are being driven out by poor pay, yes, but more are leaving because of kids' bad behavior, poor support in their buildings and nonexistent leadership in central office. Principals who can retire are, and plenty of others who can't take it anymore are transferring to other districts or just leaving, period. Can't blame them, really.

Someone needs to alert the BOE. I think they're asleep at the wheel.

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I left mid-year for safety issues and lack of support from administration. From a W cluster ES. Long-term subs taking over, many unqualified, sometimes there are no subs.

Not going back, my sanity and safety aren't worth it

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Anonymous wrote:I left last year. I’m even Nationally Board Certified and decided to call it quits. All I ever wanted to be was a teacher and I naively went into this profession thinking I’d change the world. I didn’t even mind working overtime and on weekends because this is my passion. But sadly I learned it’s not worth the low pay and constant harassment from parents, kids, and unsupportive admin. Still miss what it used to be, but the climate and system have changed and it’s become so toxic.

Yep, also NBCT and I'm done after this year. Today while restraining a child, they threatened to bite me and all I could think of was the time off I'd get if he did.

It's time to go.

Last year (and this year), I wished I could get Covid so I'd get 5 days off. I was jealous of my fellow teachers who did. Sad but true.

PP here and you can't believe how many times I tried to will that rapid test to a positive.

Also lmao to the person who told me to educate myself about loan forgiveness. You're wrong

I posted a link to the rules. Teachers work for the government and are eligible for public service loan forgiveness just like any other public servant. If you would rather argue with me than read the rules and get your loans forgiven, that's on you.

Yep, you know better than me, a teacher who's been doing this and been denied. Ty for your hard work in posting a link

Teachers are eligible for PSLF. I don't know know why you were denied, but I know teachers who got their loans forgiven.

Yes they probably worked at title 1 schools

I worked in a title 1 and got denied. I consolidated my loans in to a new loan due to a lower interest rate and that disqualified me since they weren’t the original staffers loans at that point.

Yes, you do have follow the rules in order to qualify for forgiveness. That is true for everyone, not just teachers.

Sometimes I wonder, am I the only person who bothers to read the rules? Like I get that some people had bad servicers and got rejected for BS reasons. But it was very clear to me from the beginning that loan consolidation would delay forgiveness. Read the rules people.

Until recently, 97% of teachers got denied. Fudge the rules. They were designed to make broken promises and systems. It was an unfunded mandate from the Bush years. I consolidated before I planned to be a teacher. It happened to numerous staff I know personally.

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Anonymous wrote:I left last year. I’m even Nationally Board Certified and decided to call it quits. All I ever wanted to be was a teacher and I naively went into this profession thinking I’d change the world. I didn’t even mind working overtime and on weekends because this is my passion. But sadly I learned it’s not worth the low pay and constant harassment from parents, kids, and unsupportive admin. Still miss what it used to be, but the climate and system have changed and it’s become so toxic.

Yep, also NBCT and I'm done after this year. Today while restraining a child, they threatened to bite me and all I could think of was the time off I'd get if he did.

It's time to go.

Last year (and this year), I wished I could get Covid so I'd get 5 days off. I was jealous of my fellow teachers who did. Sad but true.

PP here and you can't believe how many times I tried to will that rapid test to a positive.

Also lmao to the person who told me to educate myself about loan forgiveness. You're wrong

I posted a link to the rules. Teachers work for the government and are eligible for public service loan forgiveness just like any other public servant. If you would rather argue with me than read the rules and get your loans forgiven, that's on you.

Yep, you know better than me, a teacher who's been doing this and been denied. Ty for your hard work in posting a link

Teachers are eligible for PSLF. I don't know know why you were denied, but I know teachers who got their loans forgiven.

Yes they probably worked at title 1 schools

I worked in a title 1 and got denied. I consolidated my loans in to a new loan due to a lower interest rate and that disqualified me since they weren’t the original staffers loans at that point.

Yes, you do have follow the rules in order to qualify for forgiveness. That is true for everyone, not just teachers.

Sometimes I wonder, am I the only person who bothers to read the rules? Like I get that some people had bad servicers and got rejected for BS reasons. But it was very clear to me from the beginning that loan consolidation would delay forgiveness. Read the rules people.

Until recently, 97% of teachers got denied. Fudge the rules. They were designed to make broken promises and systems. It was an unfunded mandate from the Bush years. I consolidated before I planned to be a teacher. It happened to numerous staff I know personally.

Not just teachers.

Under Biden, lots of people are getting forgiveness. Take advantage of it.

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Anonymous wrote:I left last year. I’m even Nationally Board Certified and decided to call it quits. All I ever wanted to be was a teacher and I naively went into this profession thinking I’d change the world. I didn’t even mind working overtime and on weekends because this is my passion. But sadly I learned it’s not worth the low pay and constant harassment from parents, kids, and unsupportive admin. Still miss what it used to be, but the climate and system have changed and it’s become so toxic.

Yep, also NBCT and I'm done after this year. Today while restraining a child, they threatened to bite me and all I could think of was the time off I'd get if he did.

It's time to go.

Last year (and this year), I wished I could get Covid so I'd get 5 days off. I was jealous of my fellow teachers who did. Sad but true.

PP here and you can't believe how many times I tried to will that rapid test to a positive.

Also lmao to the person who told me to educate myself about loan forgiveness. You're wrong

I posted a link to the rules. Teachers work for the government and are eligible for public service loan forgiveness just like any other public servant. If you would rather argue with me than read the rules and get your loans forgiven, that's on you.

Yep, you know better than me, a teacher who's been doing this and been denied. Ty for your hard work in posting a link

Teachers are eligible for PSLF. I don't know know why you were denied, but I know teachers who got their loans forgiven.

Yes they probably worked at title 1 schools

I worked in a title 1 and got denied. I consolidated my loans in to a new loan due to a lower interest rate and that disqualified me since they weren’t the original staffers loans at that point.

Yes, you do have follow the rules in order to qualify for forgiveness. That is true for everyone, not just teachers.

Sometimes I wonder, am I the only person who bothers to read the rules? Like I get that some people had bad servicers and got rejected for BS reasons. But it was very clear to me from the beginning that loan consolidation would delay forgiveness. Read the rules people.

Until recently, 97% of teachers got denied. Fudge the rules. They were designed to make broken promises and systems. It was an unfunded mandate from the Bush years. I consolidated before I planned to be a teacher. It happened to numerous staff I know personally.

Not just teachers.

Under Biden, lots of people are getting forgiveness. Take advantage of it.

I am a sap who had to pay off his loans before they finally fixed things. It took more than 15 years before they finally made a workable system for teachers to get student loans actually forgiven.

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Anonymous wrote:I left last year. I’m even Nationally Board Certified and decided to call it quits. All I ever wanted to be was a teacher and I naively went into this profession thinking I’d change the world. I didn’t even mind working overtime and on weekends because this is my passion. But sadly I learned it’s not worth the low pay and constant harassment from parents, kids, and unsupportive admin. Still miss what it used to be, but the climate and system have changed and it’s become so toxic.

Yep, also NBCT and I'm done after this year. Today while restraining a child, they threatened to bite me and all I could think of was the time off I'd get if he did.

It's time to go.

Last year (and this year), I wished I could get Covid so I'd get 5 days off. I was jealous of my fellow teachers who did. Sad but true.

PP here and you can't believe how many times I tried to will that rapid test to a positive.

Also lmao to the person who told me to educate myself about loan forgiveness. You're wrong

I posted a link to the rules. Teachers work for the government and are eligible for public service loan forgiveness just like any other public servant. If you would rather argue with me than read the rules and get your loans forgiven, that's on you.

Yep, you know better than me, a teacher who's been doing this and been denied. Ty for your hard work in posting a link

Teachers are eligible for PSLF. I don't know know why you were denied, but I know teachers who got their loans forgiven.

Yes they probably worked at title 1 schools

I worked in a title 1 and got denied. I consolidated my loans in to a new loan due to a lower interest rate and that disqualified me since they weren’t the original staffers loans at that point.

Yes, you do have follow the rules in order to qualify for forgiveness. That is true for everyone, not just teachers.

Sometimes I wonder, am I the only person who bothers to read the rules? Like I get that some people had bad servicers and got rejected for BS reasons. But it was very clear to me from the beginning that loan consolidation would delay forgiveness. Read the rules people.

Until recently, 97% of teachers got denied. Fudge the rules. They were designed to make broken promises and systems. It was an unfunded mandate from the Bush years. I consolidated before I planned to be a teacher. It happened to numerous staff I know personally.

Not just teachers.

Under Biden, lots of people are getting forgiveness. Take advantage of it.

I am a sap who had to pay off his loans before they finally fixed things. It took more than 15 years before they finally made a workable system for teachers to get student loans actually forgiven.

Okay? It is now 2023 and this particular conversation is about whether teachers need a new program so they can get their loans forgiven after 10 years. They do not, since PSLF already exists.