Are people still moving to Florida?

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Anonymous wrote:Florida is no longer the top retirement state. Pennsylvania now has 3 of the top 5 cities to retire to in the US. Florida still gets a lot of migrants and retirees, though, just not as many as it used to.

https://www.inquirer.com/real-estate/housing/best-place-retire-pennsylvania-us-news-world-report-20221101.html

Fine if you're white. I've been all over the country and I have never felt as uncomfortable as I was in rural PA.

It's called Pennsyltucky for good reason.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll be happy when Blue States start banning Florida drivers licenses from accessing abortion services once the GOP bans it in Florida. You reap what you sow, folks.

It isn’t banned in FL, silly rabbit. I can’t see someone turning someone in need away because they have a FL DL. Sick stuff.

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Anonymous wrote:I am an independent in Florida and I was up in the air whether I would vote for DeSantis until recently. He has done well with economic policies and for a Republican he has done well with the environment. Although I am prochoice, that is not an issue I would choose a candidate for as long as abortion is available in other states. Although I have been super left most of my life, the current PC policies of Democrats, along with both parties just supporting different corporations have made me a skeptic.

I do always vote every election. The deciding issue why I won't vote for DeSantis? He wants to pass permitless open carry of guns. That is a policy that could potentially effect my day to day life.

So you are ok with a teen from Southern FL who was raped by their neighbor having to marshall the money and support to travel to probably Maryland to get an abortion. That's ok with you?

Why would they need to leave the state of florida? Abortion is legal up to 15 weeks and 6 days in Florida.

anatomy scan isn't until 20w.

I wonder what legal exceptions exist in Europe - because they aren’t so timely with the anatomy scans, could happen at 22 or 23 weeks. Abortion legal in first trimester. However they sure get the option to terminate if the anatomy scan reveals severe issues. But ging’s don’t get so political and hyped there. IDK.

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Anonymous wrote:Even if FL still continues to be super desirable it is going to be effected when people who want to relocate there are unable to sell their homes in other states. In some way markets are connected even though obviously they are locally driven. If FL has a huge influx of people from affluent high COL NE places, it's because houses there used to sell like hot potatoes making people relocating to FL feel rich, or making feel house rich and wanting to invest into a second home. Once sellers in NE high COL places feel house poor or unable to cash out having to sell their homes, then there will be less $$ going to FL.

I retesting perspective that I hadn’t thought of. Thank you

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Anonymous wrote:I am an independent in Florida and I was up in the air whether I would vote for DeSantis until recently. He has done well with economic policies and for a Republican he has done well with the environment. Although I am prochoice, that is not an issue I would choose a candidate for as long as abortion is available in other states. Although I have been super left most of my life, the current PC policies of Democrats, along with both parties just supporting different corporations have made me a skeptic.

I do always vote every election. The deciding issue why I won't vote for DeSantis? He wants to pass permitless open carry of guns. That is a policy that could potentially effect my day to day life.

So you are ok with a teen from Southern FL who was raped by their neighbor having to marshall the money and support to travel to probably Maryland to get an abortion. That's ok with you?

Why would they need to leave the state of florida? Abortion is legal up to 15 weeks and 6 days in Florida.

anatomy scan isn't until 20w.

A very significant amount of exceptions exist in most places in Europe, including for the mother's mental health and wellbeing.

I wonder what legal exceptions exist in Europe - because they aren’t so timely with the anatomy scans, could happen at 22 or 23 weeks. Abortion legal in first trimester. However they sure get the option to terminate if the anatomy scan reveals severe issues. But ging’s don’t get so political and hyped there. IDK.

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Anonymous wrote:Even if FL still continues to be super desirable it is going to be effected when people who want to relocate there are unable to sell their homes in other states. In some way markets are connected even though obviously they are locally driven. If FL has a huge influx of people from affluent high COL NE places, it's because houses there used to sell like hot potatoes making people relocating to FL feel rich, or making feel house rich and wanting to invest into a second home. Once sellers in NE high COL places feel house poor or unable to cash out having to sell their homes, then there will be less $$ going to FL.

I retesting perspective that I hadn’t thought of. Thank you

This is true. However, the tax scenarios of NY, NJ, California, etc are still brutal compared to the Florida, Texas and TN's. Even with high real estate prices, they still win. Austin, TX was completely inflated during Covid and the influx of people from Cali kept growing.
The real concern is if there will be enough people to buy the houses in the high COL areas to make them be able to go. Are there going to be enough young families to buy the big houses in Scarsdale, Pasadena, Franklin Lakes, etc? Not only is it high real estate $, but property taxes, income taxes and everything else is super high

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Yes, yes they are still moving to Florida

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Women should not move to Florida

Jan 21,2023 BANNING OF ALL CONTRACEPTIVES AND ABORTION. (fl constitution might have a say LOL but litigation takes time)

Also coming ankle bracelets, rape panels and more politicians ie old white dudes hands in your pants ladies.

You want to move to Florida bec you think it's cheaper and better sure but don't cry when DD in college at UF get raped and now what?

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Anonymous wrote:I am an independent in Florida and I was up in the air whether I would vote for DeSantis until recently. He has done well with economic policies and for a Republican he has done well with the environment. Although I am prochoice, that is not an issue I would choose a candidate for as long as abortion is available in other states. Although I have been super left most of my life, the current PC policies of Democrats, along with both parties just supporting different corporations have made me a skeptic.

I do always vote every election. The deciding issue why I won't vote for DeSantis? He wants to pass permitless open carry of guns. That is a policy that could potentially effect my day to day life.

So you are ok with a teen from Southern FL who was raped by their neighbor having to marshall the money and support to travel to probably Maryland to get an abortion. That's ok with you?

Why would they need to leave the state of florida? Abortion is legal up to 15 weeks and 6 days in Florida.

Cuz teens who are raped and teens in general often don’t know what is happening with their bodies or are afraid or ashamed to admit it. Lots of reasons. Would you have a mother of 2 who has a nonviable fetus leave her family to travel to Maryland to have an abortion? You’re not pro life, you are pro you.

Right. But the number of teens who are raped AND get pregnant AND don’t find out until after 15 weeks AND want to abort is incredibly small. This is why most people are more concerned with the economy.

This. I'm adamantly pro-choice, but this economy is really harming my family. Worst case scenario, I could pay to take my kid to somewhere for a late-term abortion on the minuscule chance it's ever needed.

well, thank goodness for you that there are still blue states that allow for abortions. What would happen if all those blue states decided to be like the red states and ban abortion? I guess you'd have to be a medical refugee in MX or CA. Lucky you that you have the $ from the low tax states to travel to get it.

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Anonymous wrote:I am an independent in Florida and I was up in the air whether I would vote for DeSantis until recently. He has done well with economic policies and for a Republican he has done well with the environment. Although I am prochoice, that is not an issue I would choose a candidate for as long as abortion is available in other states. Although I have been super left most of my life, the current PC policies of Democrats, along with both parties just supporting different corporations have made me a skeptic.

I do always vote every election. The deciding issue why I won't vote for DeSantis? He wants to pass permitless open carry of guns. That is a policy that could potentially effect my day to day life.

you know.. I'm an Independent, but I hate this attitude. You rely on other people carrying the tax burdens in blue states but you want to avail yourself of their generous blue state policies because you have the means to go to a blue state if you need to.

Thank goodness there are blue states with their high taxes and reasonable abortion laws, right? While you get to enjoy your low tax state.

DP here. People will do what's best for their individual circumstances, you included. Were you out there advocating schools to reopen Fall of 2020 to serve children? Or did you just go along with it because you had the resources to take care of your own kids? Did you at least volunteer to personally tutor some special needs or poor kids every day? If not, then you're a hypocrite for criticizing pp.

I wanted to keep schools open, but irrespective of what I personally wanted I wasn't planning to move to FL to avail myself of their policy and then move back for a blue state policy.

^PP is expecting blue states to be there for them when they need it while they move to the red state for low taxes. It's like people who refuse to get ACA to help shore it up because they don't want to pay for it, but then go get it when they get seriously ill and need insurance. They expect medical care to be there for them but don't want to help support the policy that supports that care. Like I said, Selfish with a capital S.

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Anonymous wrote:Women should not move to Florida

Jan 21,2023 BANNING OF ALL CONTRACEPTIVES AND ABORTION. (fl constitution might have a say LOL but litigation takes time)

Also coming ankle bracelets, rape panels and more politicians ie old white dudes hands in your pants ladies.

You want to move to Florida bec you think it's cheaper and better sure but don't cry when DD in college at UF get raped and now what?

Wait until 2025 when DeSanctis becomes US President. You will be utterly and completely terrified.

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Anonymous wrote:Women should not move to Florida

Jan 21,2023 BANNING OF ALL CONTRACEPTIVES AND ABORTION. (fl constitution might have a say LOL but litigation takes time)

Also coming ankle bracelets, rape panels and more politicians ie old white dudes hands in your pants ladies.

You want to move to Florida bec you think it's cheaper and better sure but don't cry when DD in college at UF get raped and now what?

Wait until 2025 when DeSanctis becomes US President. You will be utterly and completely terrified.

I am praying to God DeSantis become President. If not him Gov of VA.

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Rich people only have to live in Florida 27 weeks a year.

In the Hamptons and NYC condos and Coops tons are in LLCs. Owners have homestead exemption in Florida and keep a second non primary residence in NY

To be honest I own condo in NY. I have no mortgage. Costs me $900 a month to own taxes plus common charges and insurance.

That is only 11k a year. I was in Florida recently and I saw tons of recently retired NY people from Wall Street. Easy to have a 3 million 401k plus old stock grants plus maybe 5 million in stocks and bonds that in retirement throwing off big taxable income tax streams between RMDs etc.

Why give NY 8 percent? Why pay 36k property tax on your large NY house. Why not just buy a one bedroom coop in NYC or small place in Hamptons and a Florida home.

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Anonymous wrote:Rich people only have to live in Florida 27 weeks a year.

In the Hamptons and NYC condos and Coops tons are in LLCs. Owners have homestead exemption in Florida and keep a second non primary residence in NY

To be honest I own condo in NY. I have no mortgage. Costs me $900 a month to own taxes plus common charges and insurance.

That is only 11k a year. I was in Florida recently and I saw tons of recently retired NY people from Wall Street. Easy to have a 3 million 401k plus old stock grants plus maybe 5 million in stocks and bonds that in retirement throwing off big taxable income tax streams between RMDs etc.

Why give NY 8 percent? Why pay 36k property tax on your large NY house. Why not just buy a one bedroom coop in NYC or small place in Hamptons and a Florida home.

Why give NY 8 percent? My answer would be because you presumably benefited from its robust economy and perhaps its public schools (either directly, or indirectly via being able to hire educated workers to help make you successful). It’s part of the social contract.

On another note, it’s amazing how the older I get the more I see people who, trapped by their greed, choose to live in places they dislike, or wouldn’t prefer, due to taxes. Here it’s FL or TX, in Europe it’s Switzerland or increasingly Belgium. I thought being wealthy would set people free but it’s a trap, in some ways.

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Anonymous wrote:Rich people only have to live in Florida 27 weeks a year.

In the Hamptons and NYC condos and Coops tons are in LLCs. Owners have homestead exemption in Florida and keep a second non primary residence in NY

To be honest I own condo in NY. I have no mortgage. Costs me $900 a month to own taxes plus common charges and insurance.

That is only 11k a year. I was in Florida recently and I saw tons of recently retired NY people from Wall Street. Easy to have a 3 million 401k plus old stock grants plus maybe 5 million in stocks and bonds that in retirement throwing off big taxable income tax streams between RMDs etc.

Why give NY 8 percent? Why pay 36k property tax on your large NY house. Why not just buy a one bedroom coop in NYC or small place in Hamptons and a Florida home.

Why give NY 8 percent? My answer would be because you presumably benefited from its robust economy and perhaps its public schools (either directly, or indirectly via being able to hire educated workers to help make you successful). It’s part of the social contract.

On another note, it’s amazing how the older I get the more I see people who, trapped by their greed, choose to live in places they dislike, or wouldn’t prefer, due to taxes. Here it’s FL or TX, in Europe it’s Switzerland or increasingly Belgium. I thought being wealthy would set people free but it’s a trap, in some ways.

Aren't the "social contract" people who want someone else to pay for their life the ones who encourage people to give up their big houses and move to smaller places so that someone else will have place to live. I busted myself out of poverty with incredibly long work hours to make enough money to take care of many people with a little leftover for a decent life for myself. Stop tell people what to do with their money. I would never presume to tell you what to do with your money.