ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Whoever was going to be the youngest was always going to have a grievence.

There was a study done in Europe that concluded that 4Q players that are still playing elite / highly competitive soccer from 13 to 15 years old tend to outperform their peers when they reach 17-18 years old.

The bottom line is that the younger, disadvantaged kids just need to keep going and the situation will turn out more favorably for them in the long run.

Thoses aren’t the players this change was for. 🤣

Every starter Q4 family I know is not happy with the change.

Then you must not know many Q4 starter families. Such a dumb and myopic comment and a glaring example of confirmation bias, selection bias, and dumbass bias. Was your n >20? No. Therefore your anecdotal comment has zero relevance on a larger scale. Q4 parent here and I'm very happy with the change - so there, now your conclusion is even more wrong. The fact is that this gives Q4 kids a CHOICE. Clubs won't make you play down - if you're good and want to play up, you play up. If they don't "LET" you, you're either not good enough to play up or you just go find another club that will let you. You also have the choice to finally put your kid on a team of his/her own school year, where, yes, they'll now be the oldest. This too has merit, especially as kids reach adolescence and you realize what a massive difference 11 months can make. This is not playing "down", but rather its just the new normal. For those Q1 cowards who call this playing "down", they don't acknowledge that their Q1 kid has been playing "down" this entire time.

Agree with this. I have a Q4 kid that starts and will mostly stay "up" with their current team. But having the CHOICE to play with the other team when convenient is pretty nice option. Goes back to things people have been saying for 700+ pages. If your kid is good then a lot of this doesn't really affect them.

With that said I do have another kid that is August and will not have that choice. Luckily they also currently start and it would take more than a couple of older Q4 kids to come down to impact them. But will see how that turns out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't have an August kid, but I can't see why most people wouldn't just agree that August kids who started kindergarten in 8/1 cutoff states should get waivers to play with their class. This wouldn't reward redshirting. It doesn't impact competitiveness much even at young ages, as these kids shouldn't be worried about interstate play until they're older anyway. Problem solved.

The local league will give an exception if their schools start at 8/1. National league like ECNL or E64 will use 9/1 for fairness. Showcase will be GY.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't have an August kid, but I can't see why most people wouldn't just agree that August kids who started kindergarten in 8/1 cutoff states should get waivers to play with their class. This wouldn't reward redshirting. It doesn't impact competitiveness much even at young ages, as these kids shouldn't be worried about interstate play until they're older anyway. Problem solved.

The local league will give an exception if their schools start at 8/1. National league like ECNL or E64 will use 9/1 for fairness. Showcase will be GY.

That would be some relief for those kids, but even for national league play, who cares? These are relatively few kids who are just one month older in leagues that don't begin until U13. It's only 1/12th of 32% of the player pool nationwide. It affects competition far less than something like the advantage warm weather climates have to practice outside year round.

[Anonymous]

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/statereform/tab1_3-2020.asp


Almost no one.... Indiana??

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Reading all this and how boldly parents of September to December kids explain the challenges of being trapped now and the benefits of playing with like-grade peers going forward, alongside the flippant comments made about August kids who will now be both the very youngest on their teams and always forced to play with a grade above them, is maddening. Anyone who thinks that it is reasonable to be stranding these August kids without any September to December grade peers and with no consideration for them to play with their enrolled grade is kidding themselves. These kids won’t enter the sport because they will never be able to do so with their friends/classmates, which is the entry point to any youth sport. If they happen to get lucky and find a local league that lets them enter on a team with grade peers post-fall 2026 (not at all a given with AYSO and US Youth Soccer committed to shift to 9/1), they likely don’t ever make the jump to competitive because they are again not making that jump with any grade peers/friends. And for those of them who are middle school age and have already committed themselves to the sport, they may well still quit because of the issues with being the sole remaining group of trapped players and, again, social dynamics involved with the team shuffles. Friendship and, at a minimum, being able to relate with your peers on a team is huge for adolescents, too, even at competitive levels. This decision is monumentally punitive to these August kids across the youth soccer spectrum and anyone who tries to deny this reality or somehow gloats in the predicament these kids will find themselves in very soon should be ashamed.

Spot on. Hopefully there will be something done to accommodate, but we will see. There are a lot of keyboard warriors on anonymous forums that don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

According to the joint statement of USYS, US Club and AYSO, 68% of kids live in areas where September 1 is the cutoff for kindergarten. That means nearly 70% of kids born in August will be playing with their school grade (or could have played with their school grade if the parents started the kids when they could have. Everyone knows that the other 32% of August kids will be "trapped" - but the soccer organizations are trying to get this to as close to a school grade competition NATIONALLY as possible. They clearly aren't trying to ensure that everyone gets to play with their school grade. If they were doing that, they'd do grad year - which would help out the many summer birthday kids who don't start "on time."

Most of us do know the difference between a hole in the ground and an anus. That's actually the part that upsets the August parents.

Help me understand then what the harm would have been to move the cutoff to 8/1?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://nces.ed.gov/programs/statereform/tab1_3-2020.asp


Almost no one.... Indiana??

Indiana, Missouri, and Kentucky with some August players are still going to get crushed by California and Texas in national play.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reading all this and how boldly parents of September to December kids explain the challenges of being trapped now and the benefits of playing with like-grade peers going forward, alongside the flippant comments made about August kids who will now be both the very youngest on their teams and always forced to play with a grade above them, is maddening. Anyone who thinks that it is reasonable to be stranding these August kids without any September to December grade peers and with no consideration for them to play with their enrolled grade is kidding themselves. These kids won’t enter the sport because they will never be able to do so with their friends/classmates, which is the entry point to any youth sport. If they happen to get lucky and find a local league that lets them enter on a team with grade peers post-fall 2026 (not at all a given with AYSO and US Youth Soccer committed to shift to 9/1), they likely don’t ever make the jump to competitive because they are again not making that jump with any grade peers/friends. And for those of them who are middle school age and have already committed themselves to the sport, they may well still quit because of the issues with being the sole remaining group of trapped players and, again, social dynamics involved with the team shuffles. Friendship and, at a minimum, being able to relate with your peers on a team is huge for adolescents, too, even at competitive levels. This decision is monumentally punitive to these August kids across the youth soccer spectrum and anyone who tries to deny this reality or somehow gloats in the predicament these kids will find themselves in very soon should be ashamed.

Spot on. Hopefully there will be something done to accommodate, but we will see. There are a lot of keyboard warriors on anonymous forums that don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

According to the joint statement of USYS, US Club and AYSO, 68% of kids live in areas where September 1 is the cutoff for kindergarten. That means nearly 70% of kids born in August will be playing with their school grade (or could have played with their school grade if the parents started the kids when they could have. Everyone knows that the other 32% of August kids will be "trapped" - but the soccer organizations are trying to get this to as close to a school grade competition NATIONALLY as possible. They clearly aren't trying to ensure that everyone gets to play with their school grade. If they were doing that, they'd do grad year - which would help out the many summer birthday kids who don't start "on time."

Most of us do know the difference between a hole in the ground and an anus. That's actually the part that upsets the August parents.

Help me understand then what the harm would have been to move the cutoff to 8/1?

There would be more misalignment . It's very clear.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't have an August kid, but I can't see why most people wouldn't just agree that August kids who started kindergarten in 8/1 cutoff states should get waivers to play with their class. This wouldn't reward redshirting. It doesn't impact competitiveness much even at young ages, as these kids shouldn't be worried about interstate play until they're older anyway. Problem solved.

The local league will give an exception if their schools start at 8/1. National league like ECNL or E64 will use 9/1 for fairness. Showcase will be GY.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reading all this and how boldly parents of September to December kids explain the challenges of being trapped now and the benefits of playing with like-grade peers going forward, alongside the flippant comments made about August kids who will now be both the very youngest on their teams and always forced to play with a grade above them, is maddening. Anyone who thinks that it is reasonable to be stranding these August kids without any September to December grade peers and with no consideration for them to play with their enrolled grade is kidding themselves. These kids won’t enter the sport because they will never be able to do so with their friends/classmates, which is the entry point to any youth sport. If they happen to get lucky and find a local league that lets them enter on a team with grade peers post-fall 2026 (not at all a given with AYSO and US Youth Soccer committed to shift to 9/1), they likely don’t ever make the jump to competitive because they are again not making that jump with any grade peers/friends. And for those of them who are middle school age and have already committed themselves to the sport, they may well still quit because of the issues with being the sole remaining group of trapped players and, again, social dynamics involved with the team shuffles. Friendship and, at a minimum, being able to relate with your peers on a team is huge for adolescents, too, even at competitive levels. This decision is monumentally punitive to these August kids across the youth soccer spectrum and anyone who tries to deny this reality or somehow gloats in the predicament these kids will find themselves in very soon should be ashamed.

Spot on. Hopefully there will be something done to accommodate, but we will see. There are a lot of keyboard warriors on anonymous forums that don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

According to the joint statement of USYS, US Club and AYSO, 68% of kids live in areas where September 1 is the cutoff for kindergarten. That means nearly 70% of kids born in August will be playing with their school grade (or could have played with their school grade if the parents started the kids when they could have. Everyone knows that the other 32% of August kids will be "trapped" - but the soccer organizations are trying to get this to as close to a school grade competition NATIONALLY as possible. They clearly aren't trying to ensure that everyone gets to play with their school grade. If they were doing that, they'd do grad year - which would help out the many summer birthday kids who don't start "on time."

Most of us do know the difference between a hole in the ground and an anus. That's actually the part that upsets the August parents.

Help me understand then what the harm would have been to move the cutoff to 8/1?

If the cutoff was 8/1, properly classed August kids in 9/1 states would be playing with their class below. The idea with 8/1 was that they are allowed to play up, with their class, but the leagues may just not trust the clubs and the parents to do this if they must overlook a potential competitive advantage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reading all this and how boldly parents of September to December kids explain the challenges of being trapped now and the benefits of playing with like-grade peers going forward, alongside the flippant comments made about August kids who will now be both the very youngest on their teams and always forced to play with a grade above them, is maddening. Anyone who thinks that it is reasonable to be stranding these August kids without any September to December grade peers and with no consideration for them to play with their enrolled grade is kidding themselves. These kids won’t enter the sport because they will never be able to do so with their friends/classmates, which is the entry point to any youth sport. If they happen to get lucky and find a local league that lets them enter on a team with grade peers post-fall 2026 (not at all a given with AYSO and US Youth Soccer committed to shift to 9/1), they likely don’t ever make the jump to competitive because they are again not making that jump with any grade peers/friends. And for those of them who are middle school age and have already committed themselves to the sport, they may well still quit because of the issues with being the sole remaining group of trapped players and, again, social dynamics involved with the team shuffles. Friendship and, at a minimum, being able to relate with your peers on a team is huge for adolescents, too, even at competitive levels. This decision is monumentally punitive to these August kids across the youth soccer spectrum and anyone who tries to deny this reality or somehow gloats in the predicament these kids will find themselves in very soon should be ashamed.

Spot on. Hopefully there will be something done to accommodate, but we will see. There are a lot of keyboard warriors on anonymous forums that don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

According to the joint statement of USYS, US Club and AYSO, 68% of kids live in areas where September 1 is the cutoff for kindergarten. That means nearly 70% of kids born in August will be playing with their school grade (or could have played with their school grade if the parents started the kids when they could have. Everyone knows that the other 32% of August kids will be "trapped" - but the soccer organizations are trying to get this to as close to a school grade competition NATIONALLY as possible. They clearly aren't trying to ensure that everyone gets to play with their school grade. If they were doing that, they'd do grad year - which would help out the many summer birthday kids who don't start "on time."

Most of us do know the difference between a hole in the ground and an anus. That's actually the part that upsets the August parents.

Help me understand then what the harm would have been to move the cutoff to 8/1?

There would be more misalignment . It's very clear.

The Aug birthdays don't want to hear it, but it needs to be shouted from the rooftops. You will misalign more kids at 8/1 than 9/1, but they don't want to hear that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reading all this and how boldly parents of September to December kids explain the challenges of being trapped now and the benefits of playing with like-grade peers going forward, alongside the flippant comments made about August kids who will now be both the very youngest on their teams and always forced to play with a grade above them, is maddening. Anyone who thinks that it is reasonable to be stranding these August kids without any September to December grade peers and with no consideration for them to play with their enrolled grade is kidding themselves. These kids won’t enter the sport because they will never be able to do so with their friends/classmates, which is the entry point to any youth sport. If they happen to get lucky and find a local league that lets them enter on a team with grade peers post-fall 2026 (not at all a given with AYSO and US Youth Soccer committed to shift to 9/1), they likely don’t ever make the jump to competitive because they are again not making that jump with any grade peers/friends. And for those of them who are middle school age and have already committed themselves to the sport, they may well still quit because of the issues with being the sole remaining group of trapped players and, again, social dynamics involved with the team shuffles. Friendship and, at a minimum, being able to relate with your peers on a team is huge for adolescents, too, even at competitive levels. This decision is monumentally punitive to these August kids across the youth soccer spectrum and anyone who tries to deny this reality or somehow gloats in the predicament these kids will find themselves in very soon should be ashamed.

Spot on. Hopefully there will be something done to accommodate, but we will see. There are a lot of keyboard warriors on anonymous forums that don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

According to the joint statement of USYS, US Club and AYSO, 68% of kids live in areas where September 1 is the cutoff for kindergarten. That means nearly 70% of kids born in August will be playing with their school grade (or could have played with their school grade if the parents started the kids when they could have. Everyone knows that the other 32% of August kids will be "trapped" - but the soccer organizations are trying to get this to as close to a school grade competition NATIONALLY as possible. They clearly aren't trying to ensure that everyone gets to play with their school grade. If they were doing that, they'd do grad year - which would help out the many summer birthday kids who don't start "on time."

Most of us do know the difference between a hole in the ground and an anus. That's actually the part that upsets the August parents.

Help me understand then what the harm would have been to move the cutoff to 8/1?

There would be more misalignment . It's very clear.

How?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reading all this and how boldly parents of September to December kids explain the challenges of being trapped now and the benefits of playing with like-grade peers going forward, alongside the flippant comments made about August kids who will now be both the very youngest on their teams and always forced to play with a grade above them, is maddening. Anyone who thinks that it is reasonable to be stranding these August kids without any September to December grade peers and with no consideration for them to play with their enrolled grade is kidding themselves. These kids won’t enter the sport because they will never be able to do so with their friends/classmates, which is the entry point to any youth sport. If they happen to get lucky and find a local league that lets them enter on a team with grade peers post-fall 2026 (not at all a given with AYSO and US Youth Soccer committed to shift to 9/1), they likely don’t ever make the jump to competitive because they are again not making that jump with any grade peers/friends. And for those of them who are middle school age and have already committed themselves to the sport, they may well still quit because of the issues with being the sole remaining group of trapped players and, again, social dynamics involved with the team shuffles. Friendship and, at a minimum, being able to relate with your peers on a team is huge for adolescents, too, even at competitive levels. This decision is monumentally punitive to these August kids across the youth soccer spectrum and anyone who tries to deny this reality or somehow gloats in the predicament these kids will find themselves in very soon should be ashamed.

Spot on. Hopefully there will be something done to accommodate, but we will see. There are a lot of keyboard warriors on anonymous forums that don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

According to the joint statement of USYS, US Club and AYSO, 68% of kids live in areas where September 1 is the cutoff for kindergarten. That means nearly 70% of kids born in August will be playing with their school grade (or could have played with their school grade if the parents started the kids when they could have. Everyone knows that the other 32% of August kids will be "trapped" - but the soccer organizations are trying to get this to as close to a school grade competition NATIONALLY as possible. They clearly aren't trying to ensure that everyone gets to play with their school grade. If they were doing that, they'd do grad year - which would help out the many summer birthday kids who don't start "on time."

Most of us do know the difference between a hole in the ground and an anus. That's actually the part that upsets the August parents.

Help me understand then what the harm would have been to move the cutoff to 8/1?

There would be more misalignment . It's very clear.

How?

Look at the math. With 9/1 there are less misaligned kids. Saying but but they can play up does not eliminate that they are misaligned.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reading all this and how boldly parents of September to December kids explain the challenges of being trapped now and the benefits of playing with like-grade peers going forward, alongside the flippant comments made about August kids who will now be both the very youngest on their teams and always forced to play with a grade above them, is maddening. Anyone who thinks that it is reasonable to be stranding these August kids without any September to December grade peers and with no consideration for them to play with their enrolled grade is kidding themselves. These kids won’t enter the sport because they will never be able to do so with their friends/classmates, which is the entry point to any youth sport. If they happen to get lucky and find a local league that lets them enter on a team with grade peers post-fall 2026 (not at all a given with AYSO and US Youth Soccer committed to shift to 9/1), they likely don’t ever make the jump to competitive because they are again not making that jump with any grade peers/friends. And for those of them who are middle school age and have already committed themselves to the sport, they may well still quit because of the issues with being the sole remaining group of trapped players and, again, social dynamics involved with the team shuffles. Friendship and, at a minimum, being able to relate with your peers on a team is huge for adolescents, too, even at competitive levels. This decision is monumentally punitive to these August kids across the youth soccer spectrum and anyone who tries to deny this reality or somehow gloats in the predicament these kids will find themselves in very soon should be ashamed.

Spot on. Hopefully there will be something done to accommodate, but we will see. There are a lot of keyboard warriors on anonymous forums that don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

According to the joint statement of USYS, US Club and AYSO, 68% of kids live in areas where September 1 is the cutoff for kindergarten. That means nearly 70% of kids born in August will be playing with their school grade (or could have played with their school grade if the parents started the kids when they could have. Everyone knows that the other 32% of August kids will be "trapped" - but the soccer organizations are trying to get this to as close to a school grade competition NATIONALLY as possible. They clearly aren't trying to ensure that everyone gets to play with their school grade. If they were doing that, they'd do grad year - which would help out the many summer birthday kids who don't start "on time."

Most of us do know the difference between a hole in the ground and an anus. That's actually the part that upsets the August parents.

Help me understand then what the harm would have been to move the cutoff to 8/1?

What would be the harm of 7/1 or 5/1 or 3/1?

[Anonymous]

August truthers have gone off the rails.

[Anonymous]

Augusters were part of the SY contingent, until they weren't. Now SY is unfair.